August 29, 2007, - 11:33 am

Guess What? Less Citizens with Guns = More Crime


The Small Arms Survey–an annual Geneva, Switzerland-based study about guns in circulation–backs up Second Amendment advocates (like me). It shows that more gun ownership correlates with lower crime rates in a country.
The study reports that civilians across the globe own 650 million small arms, 75% of all guns in circulation.

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While Americans have the highest percentage and number of guns per capita (270 million–or 9 guns for every ten Americans), that’s a good thing. Keith Krause, director of the Small Arms Survey, cited low gun ownership and high crime rates in Latin American countries as dispelling the myth that guns and high crime rates/violence go together.

“There’s no clear relationship between more guns and higher levels of violence,” Krause said . . . . He said studies had shown that gun violence often occurred in places undergoing rapid urban growth.

Amen to that.

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20 Responses

I used to be for gun control, but that’s before I actually did research on it. Now I’m trying to get a hand gun for self-defense. Gotta convince the girlfriend to let me though..she’s still weirded out by them.

ConservativesLovePuns(descent) on August 29, 2007 at 12:16 pm

Next, they’re going after the kitchen knifes, the forks and the baseball bats. And don’t forget the matches ( as in so. Greece).
In fact, islamics don’t need guns, they’re masters ( cowards that they are) with the knifes, daggers, and scimitars.
People, to defend yourselves, you don’t really need guns. Take a page fr. Solzhenitsin! Use whatever you have on hand ( when the time comes.) When he was in prison, he and his mates, regretted that they had not resisted…even in the streets.
All you need is the Will and Intent to be FREE AND LIBERATED.

allat on August 29, 2007 at 1:06 pm

Are you kidding me? Based on simple logic, this makes no sense. More guns = less crime????????? Last time I checked, Switzerland never had someone go into a college campus and kill 20+ people. Spree Killers, for the most part are uniquely American. How is more guns going to be the answer?

JediMindTrick on August 29, 2007 at 1:20 pm

Less citizens with guns = More criminals with guns.
How will punishing the sane by depriving them from their rights to bear arms will prevent a mass murderer from going on a killing spree?
So self defense courses should be banned fear that you might maim some thug with your techniques. Not suprisingly enough, pepper spray is outlawed in the most liberal areas of New York. Gun Control just ensures the criminal’s right to kill more than protecting us. Those who want to pass a legislation denying our rights to a handgun or any sort of weaponry are more to be feared than a serial killer. I notice that there are more gun restrictions in the most dangerous cites with crime rates escalating. As you all remembered from history , the first thing that Hitler did when he came to power was confiscating hand guns from civilians. I don’t like where this is all heading since the left wing gun control freaks are following his example. The more they try to push for gun control, the more I see a need for me to posses a gun.
What amuses me about liberals is how they find room for leniency in unlimited(partial birth) abortion and euthanasia ( which kill people btw unless you don’t consider a 6 month old fetus or a dying elderly paraplegic to be human beings. The correlation between those of pro choice and gun control is quite palpable). Maybe we as sane American citizens are not fit to be part of the human race in their eyes. We are just as potentially dangerous if not more than the criminal for trying to preserve the second amendment that the left wing social nazis want to revise.
I would focus on more important issues like immigration control or control of the gun control freaks.

Jew Chick on August 29, 2007 at 2:27 pm

Maybe instead of everyone being afraid and paranoid of everything because of the damn media, we can put down the guns and work out problems peacefully, instead of assuming, as most racists on this site do, that the black and brown people are trying to murder us.

JediMindTrick on August 29, 2007 at 2:43 pm

I hate to sound like a nit-picker, but I believe using correct grammar is an important component in establishing credibility.
It should be FEWER citizens (you have less stuff, but fewer things – ie: less salt, fewer grains of salt).

stevecanuck on August 29, 2007 at 3:57 pm

awesome contribution to the discussion, guy

JediMindTrick on August 29, 2007 at 4:19 pm

This is logical when you consider the deterrent effect. Criminals seek defenseless victims, not armed citizens. Where gun ownership is high, the higher is the probability that the criminal could get hurt (or killed).
Mass killing sprees occur on school campuses because, like Va Tech, they are usually GUN FREE ZONES. Where would one be safer from a mass murderer, at a college campus or at an NRA convention?

WillPower on August 29, 2007 at 4:23 pm

To JediMindTrick:
Hello? What world do you live in and how would you go about working out problems peacefully with a thug who is seconds from blowing your brains out? And where in the article or any of our comments do we make references to race? If the perpentrator was white, would that pass him for a criminal? If we are paranoid then that makes you naive and illusional if you think the criminals and the killers are going to lay down their guns. Its true that Europe hasn’t been delt with with shooting massacres. Instead, they had their railroads and buses blown up, not to mention their cars set on fire. Right wing europeans who overtly spoke out against radical islam were assasinated.The list is endless. If we can’t deal with the home grown criminals in our soil because we are being restrained by the gun control policy you anxiously want to enforce, them how are we suppose to deal with the islamic terrorists that are operating here and abroad? I don’t know where you get your news resources from but I highly advise you take a reality check to whats going on in this not so sunny world.
To allat:
The islamists don’t even need to use knifes and daggers. They are pretty familiar with the corrupted left wing dominated justice system. All they have to do is scream racism and shop it to the ACLU. The rest will be taken care of.

Jew Chick on August 29, 2007 at 4:37 pm

“Last time I checked, Switzerland never had someone go into a college campus and kill 20+ people. Spree Killers, for the most part are uniquely American. How is more guns going to be the answer?”
Switzerland? I think you are confused.

AlturaCt on August 29, 2007 at 4:41 pm

Defense Mechanism of choice. That’s cute.

Freudianslippers on August 29, 2007 at 4:42 pm

Dear Jew Chick
I live on Mars. More guns is not going to put an end to violence, more guns is only going to create more misunderstandings that result in more violence. I’m not advocating banning guns at all, what I’m saying is that being suspicious of everyone and paranoid that everyone’s out to get you should not be the reasons someone gets a gun. If you want to own a gun, fine, but don’t try and use some bullshit excuse that more guns create a safer environment. Because it’s not going to be long before someone shoots someone else for some misunderstanding, that wouldn’t have happened at all if these people didn’t own guns.
“The islamists don’t even need to use knifes and daggers. They are pretty familiar with the corrupted left wing dominated justice system.”
That doesn’t strike you as racist?
To Willpower: good point, but spree killings don’t always happen at schools. The NRA promotes a gun loving culture that allows people (like Columbine Killers/VaTech guy) to think that a gun-centric society is the best possible world, when those things wouldn’t have happened had it been more difficult for them to find guns.

JediMindTrick on August 29, 2007 at 4:52 pm

Jedi –
You’re projecting *your* fear of guns onto gun ownwers. YOU are displaying your racism by assuming that all criminals are black. As Jew Chick stated, nobody mentioned race – except you!
BTW – It’s the land of the free and home of the brave, not the land of the defenseless.

CarpeDiem on August 29, 2007 at 4:57 pm

There are two distinct sides to this issue: Smith…and Wesson.
Those of you “c-c-c-cant we all just get along” types may want to reconsider your position. After all, its better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. Peace.

Southernops on August 29, 2007 at 4:59 pm

Oh, spare me the world would be safer without guns crap. Its utter rubbish and untrue. If you don’t believe me then explain why the crime rate in Texas is so low. The crime escalating of crime rate is not due to guns but to the out of control justice systems we have here with serial murderers being exonerated and bailed out by left wing p.c. lawyers. They are being let out into the streets so they can proceed with their illict activity until they can buy themselves another lawyer. It liberals like you that encourage more criminal activity by attacking the good sane American citizen who is entitled to defend him/herself so please cut the crap. And don’t start playing the race card with me. Its not a very fun game. It only provokes more racism which you liberals sort of mastered. So lets all lay down our weapons and die. I’m not about to turn over my gun to you nor my freedom to make an opinion. First you want gun control and now you want to restrict freedom of speech. I find it rather amusing how you call me a racist for chastising the ACLU, a notoriously seditious organization complicit in aiding the worst criminals of the lowest common denominator including terrorists in the guise of “civil liberties”. Next time, get your facts straight before striking an argument with me. If you can find any explicit derogatory statements about a particular race group in my paragraph, I’ll shred up my pistol permit. Fair enough?
I rest my case.Whew!

Jew Chick on August 29, 2007 at 5:54 pm

Time to get with the program pal! It’s not the guns, knives, bombs, cars, or any other weapon that’s the problem…it’s what is going on in the minds of the people who wield them. As trivial as that may sound, those objects, when not in use, are inert; they pose no threat. When in the hands of a maniacal, deranged puke, then we have a problem.
So, how do we deal with it? Let the people bear arms as we have been given the constitutional right to do and DEFEND our homes and lives. If you have to waste some idiot because he threatened the safety of life and liberty, so be it. Think that’s radical? Nope, just survival because that’s where society is these days – dog-eat-dog. Amoral, delusional whackjobs don’t listen to reason so talk is not an option. That’s a waste of time reserved for mamby-pamby dandelions who don’t have the backbone to take a stand. Until you ingrain that in your soft head, may the farce be with you.
By the way, the range is hot!!!

1shot1kill on August 29, 2007 at 5:58 pm

As an after note, I own several weapons and I won’t be giving them up without somebody getting hurt…

1shot1kill on August 29, 2007 at 6:00 pm

“I live on Mars. More guns is not going to put an end to violence, more guns is only going to create more misunderstandings that result in more violence.”
You do live on another Planet, JediMindTrick.
Your contention is factually incorrect. There have been numerous studies that prove that private gun ownership by citizens reduces the violent crime rate.
It is just common sense that criminals would fear a citizenery that is armed with a gun to defend themselves against the criminals that prey on weakness above all.
I guess you failed to read Debbie’s article and dispute the research conducted by The Small Arms Survey.
The NRA is composed of American citizens not some nebulous think tank funded by elitists. They do not encourage a gun loving culture but defend against the traitors that are trying to take away our 2nd amendment rights under the Constitution.
Austrailia banned private ownership of guns and the crime rate has more than doubled. In addition, home invasion robberies which were never a problem before the ban are skyrocketing because the criminals no longer fear that the ranchers and homeowners will be armed with a firearm to protect themselves.
There are “spree killers” in the UK which is why they too banned firearms as a result of a madmen killing with his AK-47. Strange, they did have a knife welding nut case go on a murder spree in a grammer school but the authorities did not ban knives.
Why don’t you go back to Mars and leave the rest of us to use our firearms for their intended purpose without fear of gun grabbers like you.

ScottyDog on August 29, 2007 at 7:04 pm

Excuse me? Switzerland?
Switzerland, Europes’ most peaceful country, has no standing army. Instead, the country is defended by a militia composed of virtually all male citizens. The government issues rifles to these citizens, and the rifles are kept at their homes.
But give them time, the RoP® is growing there too.

interestinconundrum on August 31, 2007 at 3:49 pm

Oh, and I’ll bet if we lived in a totalitarian state, the crime rate would drop drastically. Freedom has a price, a free people must use self-control.
So the question is….do you want a free society?

interestinconundrum on August 31, 2007 at 3:52 pm

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