March 17, 2010, - 2:06 pm

Fine Whine of the Week: Star of Biggest 2009 Movies Cries “Racism”

By Debbie Schlussel

Yet another Black actress is crying “racism” against Hollywood.  While I’m no defender of Hollywood, the cries of racism are growing a little tired, especially when this actress got major roles in last year’s two biggest movies . . . because she’s Black.


Zoe Saldana: Successful Actress Cries Hollywood “Racism”

Actress Zoe Saldana was cast in major roles in both “Avatar” (read my review)–last year’s biggest movie and the biggest of all time in terms of box office total–and “Star Trek” (read my review), the remake starring Chris Pine.  These are both movies in which any White actress/waitress would die to get a role as an extra.  And she had major roles in both, but yet still cries racism in the April 2010 issue of Glamour Magazine (on the cover of which she’d likely never appear . . . if she wasn’t Black).

Ethnic is a word that doesn’t exist in my vocabulary. In Hollywood, you hear things like, “Oh, they loved you but they want to go more traditional.” That’s the new N word.

Her whining reminds me of Will Smith–the #1 movie star in America–declaring on Oprah in 2008, that America is racist and “rejects” Blacks, just days after a Black President was elected in the U.S.

And let’s be intellectually honest.  Saldana got at least one of these roles BECAUSE–not despite–the fact that she’s Black.  If there wasn’t a Black female character named “Uhura” in the Star Trek series, they could have cast a White blonde chick as the sole primary female staffer aboard the U.S.S. Enterprise.  And, regardless of what was in the original series, they still could have done this and cast a White chick.  But, instead, Hollywood employed racism and cast the Uhura character only from a pool of Black actresses.  Yes, she got the job because she’s Black. The racism worked in her favor.

You could argue that her race is the same reason she was cast as the female Na’vi love interest in “Avatar.”  Yes, her character was computer-generated.  But she was playing a race that is treated badly by White Americans.  And I believe that’s why she was cast in the role.  If it’s not the reason, then it disproves her point even further because she was cast to play the role and racism didn’t keep her from it.

And, finally, there’s her claim that she’s not cast because she “looks Black” and casting directors tell her they want to “go more traditional.”  Look at the pic of Saldana.  She looks more like a “traditional” White woman than a “traditional Black woman.  Only her father is Black.  Her mother is Puerto Rican.  She’s light-skinned and has either had work done or wasn’t born with what we normally consider “African” features.  Her nose looks like the “traditional” nose of a White person.  She wears extensions, which she usually straightens . . . to look like a “traditional” White woman.  And she even did plastic surgery on her name to sound more White.  Her real name is Zoe Yadira Zaldaña Nazario. And that’s not to mention her boyfriend, Keith Britton, who is not only a very pale White, but also very blond.


Hypocritette & The “New N-Word”: Zoe Saldana’s “More Traditional” Dating Pool

Hmmm . . . if anyone in Hollywood is racist–other than the casting directors who made her a star BECAUSE she’s Black–it’s Zoe Saldana, herself . . . against her own race.  She’s definitely taken the actions of a self-hater.

Ms. Saldana would be best advised to stop whining about alleged “racism” when she’s more successful than 99% of White actresses in Hollywood, tens of thousands of whom are stuck walking dogs and waiting tables.

In short, shut up and act.

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53 Responses


slick willie jihad on March 17, 2010 at 2:38 pm

The left wing grievance mentality is so imbued in people now, crying racism is an involuntary bodily function like farting. That girl must have had a barrel full of baked beans.

Tempus Fugit on March 17, 2010 at 2:40 pm

she needs a sick twisted pervert without prejudices. Sadly all the perverts in Hollywood are so busy being politically correct that they forgot their humanity.

Noah David Simon on March 17, 2010 at 2:44 pm

She should have said “traditional” is the new word for “white”, not the “n-word”. It does not make sense if you substitute traditional, and replace it with the n-word, but it does, if you replace it with white.
BTW, is she not from the DR?

Who cares? on March 17, 2010 at 3:02 pm

Makes sense as far as it goes.
If we go down this road, only for accuracy. Only thing to disagree…uh….NO….she DOES “look” black. She doesnt “look” like she’s caucasian persuasion.
Light skinned, perhaps. She looks white…no way. Not by a long shot. But so what?
Nope. Posted pics of her here…no…she can’t pass for white. She looks black.

Also might’ve mentioned Halle Berry few yrs back, saying much same thing. But Spike Lee and others got to her, guilt tripped her for being half white, not doing enough for the struggle, etc. So she went all political. Now if you want to make the case that Ms. Berry could “pass” for white, you’d have a stronger point than you would for Zoe, who looks Black. Perhaps an “Latino” black, but definitely she does not look white and no one would mistake her for that.

Interesting. It’s getting so old, this song and dance. We dont hear other minorities, such as Asians, complaining to this extent about being persecuted in Hollywood due to their race. Also interesting that it seems that over and over, time and time again, it seems to be African-Americans with the race hangup. Why is that?
Srange. Or as they’d say in The Fugitive….”Hinky”.

Jimmy on March 17, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Jimmy no one said she looked white Debbie stated she might have had surgery on some parts of her face that gave her a white nose but never read where anyone said she looks white.

    Jack Hamilton on March 19, 2010 at 7:03 am

I checked and Ms. Saldana is actually 31 years old. I;m sure you’ve seen the trailer for “Death at a Funeral”. I think that will flop.

M: You’re right. One recent article I read said 21. Must have been a typo. DS

Matthew on March 17, 2010 at 3:28 pm

Go back to mother Africa and make movies if it’s so damn bad here.

perception of truth on March 17, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Absolutely agree with you 100% perception. If you don’t like it here, I’m sure there’s a cargo hold that will be happy to provide you a small spot for your journey back home. Oh, you didn’t here? How do you think most Africans got here? Whether it was fair or not, it’s factual. Be thankful you live in a country where you’re free – yes – FREE. Stop leaning on the b.s. ‘race’ card and do your job like most other ‘actors’. That is, stop taking handouts from major studios to do major movies. See how much you’ll like it then.

    SusieQ on April 5, 2010 at 7:24 pm

so just like will smith, oprah and a multitude of millionaire cry baby athletes, she believes that white America is keeping her down. ok, since only 12% of America is black, how did these people get so rich? Take away 88% of their income that they received from other races and see how much they have left. These people wouldn’t have what they have if it weren’t for the freedoms of our American culture.

As they say, obambi got 98% of the black vote, but that is still not enough to win an election no matter how much fraud acorn commits. He won because stupid people were either guilted in to it or support the socialist nightmare that is coming.

What black people seem to forget is that white people ended slavery. Their was no black slave uprising that demanded and won their freedom, white men ended slavery. Unfortunately right now in the world arabs and blacks (mainly muslims) have kept up slavery, where? In Africa of course and the slaves the muslims smuggle in to western countries as wives or servants.

Yet we are supposed to feel guilty for something we had nothing to do with. Their sense of entitlement is unbelievable even more so when they are multimillionaires whining about it.

ender on March 17, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Um, white people also started slavery (at least in the US)? That’s like saying someone shouldn’t complain that you pushed them in front of a car because you drove them to the hospital afterwards.

    hellcat on March 18, 2010 at 9:29 am

      actually black slavery was started in Africa by black African waring on another tribe and taking them as slaves and in turn selling them to muslim slavers on the Ivory Coast. They in turn sold many to Dutch merchants that transported them to the US and other places. It was a horrible and vile practice then and still is today. You still have blacks keeping slaves in Africa to this day.

      Jack Hamilton on March 19, 2010 at 7:11 am

        Please cite your sources. Honestly, I’m not saying you’re wrong – I don’t know if you are or not. But that sounds interesting and I’d like to be more informed about it.

        hellcat on March 19, 2010 at 9:01 am

…if you are to define “racism” as “thinking that race applies in everything “..then clearly blacks in the U.S. are The Most Racist People On The Planet…they are absolutely obsessed with it.

Catfur on March 17, 2010 at 4:07 pm

It’s a brave new world of entitlements and victim hood. If you’re not already sucking at the government teat, coming up with a reason to call yourself a victim, racism, ageism, religion, whatever, and join the party. As the rich head toward middle class and the middle class become poor the pool of actual responsible adults who actually CONTRIBUTE to our society will grow smaller while the ocean of those demanding some entitlement from the government without any contribution grows larger and our society swirls around the drain. I remember Zoe from the movie “Guess Who” with ashton kutcher and bernie mac and thought she was ok, not great but hey at least she’s a working actress. Guess that’s not enough.

kenny komodo on March 17, 2010 at 4:45 pm

It has been my experience that most blacks (and a few other minorities, but mostly black) can never be satisfied. It is because, in general, they see the world as do children. Everything is the “others” fault, and not theirs. However, in this case, it is even more surprising since these actors are not being discriminated against at all, but just the reverse. Yet it’s still the same because, again like children, they are unable to get “their” way. And so they whine irrationally.

Michael on March 17, 2010 at 4:47 pm

I have an old ex-girlfriend who complained she never got good parts in Hollywood because the town was full of “racist Jews”. I told her I disagreed….she was just a lousy actress, and THAT is why she couldn’t get steady work.

#1 Vato on March 17, 2010 at 5:44 pm

Race is just an excuse and attention getter.

She’s yet another Hollywood princess who isn’t getting her way.


Sam Adams on March 17, 2010 at 5:57 pm

This woman has gotten roles that many actors and actresses could not dream of getting in their entire careers. If Saldana is suffering from racial oppression and discrimination, it looks like it has been working very well for her. I wonder if someone involved in the civil rights movement would have the guts to call her out on her statements, since it really does trivialize their efforts. It is about as useful a graphic as a 400 lb. welfare mama claiming to be hungry.

sorrow01 on March 17, 2010 at 6:53 pm

It seems to me her plan worked, she created a buzz and drew attention to herself. She better hope it doesn’t backfire on her and turn those powers that be against her, Zoe’s career could end before it really begun.
Whenever you bring up race it polarizes everyone and draws attention to whatever issue being promoted and stir up the rubes.

PHENEAUS J. PECKENPAW on March 17, 2010 at 8:09 pm

Part of this racism (in the minds of people who are not white) can be attributed to Odopey. He has made race relations worse in America. And for this beotch to say that traditional is the new N word, I beg to differ. The new N word is Obama.

Jarhead on March 17, 2010 at 8:16 pm

This whinging POS is not even dynamic. They should have given her roles to someone like Aisha Taylor or Tangi Miller…or any other AMERICAN (or Australian) who was prettier and more interesting. Queen Latifah is more gorge than she is. I ain’t joking.

And what up with that PRETENTIOUS umlat over the e in her dopey name? She should just STFU. Most Hollywood types are narcissistic bores. She’s at the top of the heap.

Skunky on March 17, 2010 at 8:41 pm

Same goes for older established female actresses who complain of age discrimination. Sure they have it harder than their male counterparts but the flip side of the coin is that they had it that much easier when they where the young fresh faces in town. I’m sure not a one of them worried about the then middle aged actresses they beat out for roles when they started out.

George on March 17, 2010 at 8:53 pm

I just read on the AP that it was announced in a S. Jersey Walmart on the public address system “ALL BLACKS SHOULD LEAVE THE STORE RIGHT NOW”. The truth is racism runs rampant in this country you poeple know it just hate to admit it. I find this whole site permeates racism, I just enter for the information but in most cases DS isn’t much different than Hitler. But like my ex-girlfriend use to say every white person has a little Hitler in them.

PHENEAUS J. PECKENPAW on March 17, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Listen up, PECKERPAW. Over 80% of violent crime in the USA is perpetrated by non-white minorities who represent not more than 18% of the population. Maybe their energy would be better spent on exploring the unbelievable number of entitlement programs that “white nazis” have created to foster integration.

    Graty Slapchop on March 17, 2010 at 10:59 pm



    I won’t watch any of the crap coming out of hollywierd unless the stars are minimally offensive. Clash of the Titans 3D looks like it’ll be good.

    Joe on March 18, 2010 at 2:25 am

“And she even did plastic surgery on her name to sound more White. Her real name is Zoe Yadira Zaldaña Nazario. ”

This isn’t quite true. “Yadira” is her middle name, and obviously most actors don’t use their middle names as part of their stage names. As for “Zaldaña Nazario” – this follows the typical Spanish naming system, where you’re born with your father’s last name (Zaldana) and then your mother’s (Nazario). Most such people use their father’s name publically (i.e. Penelope CRUZ Sanchez or Felipe CALDERON Hinojosa, the President of Mexico).

And “Zoe Saldana” doesn’t really sound like a “white name” to me, whatever that is (unless you mean a white Spaniard named that).

Dave on March 18, 2010 at 12:46 am


Don’t bother with telling the truth to these people. They aren’t interested in it.

The irony is that people like Schlussel and her syncophants will spend hours on end complaining about being victims of reverse racism. To hear them tell it, it is IMPOSSIBLE for any white person to get a job, a promotion, a contract, or admission into a selective college because of affirmative action. All of them SWEAR that they have personally, repeatedly been oppressed, repressed, held back and held down by either some black person in power, or some liberal policy or program designed to put black people in power. (That most affirmative action programs were actually designed and implemented by Republicans like Eisenhower and Nixon … again they aren’t interested in the truth.)

I am not denying that this Saldana is indulging in victimization and ingratitude for the opportunities that her country has provided her with. Instead, the issue is how Schlussel and her followers do the exact same thing – victimization, ingratitude, whining – without realizing the hypocrites that they are being.

I wish that Saldana was more like Jamie Foxx. Foxx talked to the media about the barrier that he faced as a black actor, but stated that he wasn’t bitter, because the system was actually harder on white actors because “there is so many of them.” Funny, I did not see Schlussel list that quote of Fox sympathizing with the plight of white actors on her site. Why? Because Schlussel only wants to depict black actors – and black people in general – in the most negative light possible. By the way, Foxx also stood up to Spike Lee’s race baiting and confronted him over it. Did you hear anything about that either from Schlussel? Nope.

Instead, Schlussel does this to Foxx:

Here’s one quote: “Jamie Foxx (slave name: Eric Bishop)”

Err, no. Jamie Foxx IS NOT a Nation of Islam member or black radical who renounced his given name. Instead, he is simply one of the MANY entertainers who adopts a stage name. Marilyn Monroe = Norma Jean Baker. Or the MANY Jews who adopted more Anglo/WASP names in times past.

Another one: “Oh, and by the way, Jamie Foxx is slated to host the 2009 BET Awards show. And I think that he should quit defining himself in such a small category.”

You mean like how he was a presenter at the Country Music Awards and their 100% white audience? Why? Because Foxx likes and performs country music. He was invited because of a remake of a country music song that he performs. Not that you are going to hear anything like that on this white victimization “we are oh so oppressed by black people” blog.

And, of course, there were the obligatory “we hate Jamie Foxx and all black people except Clarence Thomas … BUT WE AREN’T RACIST JUST POLITICALLY INCORRECT!” type comments below the post.

But that’s Debbie … it is the white grievance industry giving the “conservatives” on their plantation what they want. The difference between Debbie’s racial victimization act and Cornel West’s? Not a whole lot at all …

Gerald on March 18, 2010 at 3:29 am

    “Don’t bother with telling the truth to these people. They aren’t interested in it.”

    Let us know when you start telling it instead of engaging in verbal diarrhea.

    Worry01 on March 18, 2010 at 3:37 am

      Let US know when you have an intelligent comment on what was written vs slinging insults, thanks.

      hellcat on March 19, 2010 at 8:59 am

I can think of plenty of people who HAVE been the victims of Hollywood bias: Camryn Manheim, Kathy Bates, Conchata Ferrell, John Goodman.

MRS: Huh? You’re kidding, right? All of these people have gotten plenty of roles, despite their, um, “heft.” DS

Miranda Rose Smith on March 18, 2010 at 4:23 am

    Dear Ms. Schlussel: They would have gotten the good roles a lot sooner if it hadn’t been for their heft. I would love to see a remake of INTERMEZZO in which John Goodman leaves Kathy Bates for an intermezzo with Camryn Manheim. How about a bi-sexual intermezzo? Kathy Bates leaves John Goodman for an intermezzo with Camryn Manheim? Or a lesbian intermezzo? Conchata Ferrell leaves Kathy Bates for an intermezzo with Camryn Manheim?

    Miranda Rose Smith on March 18, 2010 at 4:40 am

      Are you trolling? This is the dumbest post I have read today.

      Ken Blazek on March 18, 2010 at 8:56 am

I like that in the very same breath, people in this comment section are complaining that black people see racism in everything – the subtext being that it’s clearly eradicated and they’re complaining about nothing – AND THEN turning around and saying things like: “take away the 88% of their income that they received from other races and see if they’re so rich,” “most blacks can never be satisfied and see the world as do children,” and that (I’m generalizing here, but not too much) black people as a whole are racist themselves and all they do is complain and they should probably just go back to Africa. Look, if you want to complain about someone else’s racism, don’t generalize the whole race based on one person – or even several people. If you say all black people are racist because they assume all white people are racist, you’re doing the same exact thing you’re accusing them of doing, and you’re talking in circles without even realizing it.

Also, perception of truth, telling someone whose family hasn’t been in Africa for generations to “go back to Mother Africa” just makes you sound ignorant. It’s like me telling you, if you don’t like it here, go back to Europe.

hellcat on March 18, 2010 at 9:40 am

also, peckenpaw is an idiot – seriously, all white people have a little bit of hitler in them? You’re no better than anyone you’re complaining about, please don’t waste anyone’s time anymore, thanks.

hellcat on March 18, 2010 at 9:42 am

Yes,Whites did start slavery in the US – with WHITE slaves, from Ireland,Scotland,and England – for about the first 70 years.

Phineas on March 18, 2010 at 11:21 am

“Also, perception of truth, telling someone whose family hasn’t been in Africa for generations to “go back to Mother Africa” just makes you sound ignorant. It’s like me telling you, if you don’t like it here, go back to Europe.”

hellcat: And how is this any different from bringing up slavery when blacks have not been slaves for generations?

bgdh1 on March 18, 2010 at 12:06 pm

Good point, Phineas!

No ethno-national group has ever been exempt from enslavement in history (the very word slave is said to have originated in the world Slav — the Slavs being taken as slaves by peoples from the ancient Greek and Persians to the more recent Turks and Tatars)…and it was not White Europeans who originated slavery in Sub-Saharan Africa — it was native chieftains who warred frequently against one another for spoils and conquest, taking a liberal (no pun intended) amount of slaves with each raid. With the establishment of the deen (legal system) of Islam (historically called deenu’l-sayf — religion of the sword), of the authoritarian Shari’a, and of the eternal institution of Jihad at-Talab (offensive Jihad, which consists of ghazwat [raids] and includes the taking of booty [maal-e ghanimaat] and slaves [abid, including female sex slaves — ma malakat aymanukum]), new lifeblood was pumped into slavery in sub-Saharan Africa, only this time slaves were taken by comparatively-white outsiders in genocidal ghazwat, continuously, for 12+ centuries, until ended forcibly by the British, though slavery still persists in the lands of the Dar al-Islam (from white Albania to brown Indonesia). White Europeans were comparatively late to the parade, so to speak, and even as late as the 16th century, white European Christians such as Cristóvão da Gama were fighting alongside Ethiopian Christians against merciless mujahedin intent on invading and Islamizing Ethiopia (under Imam Ahmad ibn Ibrihim al-Ghazi, an Arabized Somali [al-Ghazi meaning “the raider” or, more coloquially, “the kaffir-killer”]) during the Ethiopian–Adal War. The majority of slaves taken from West Africa from the 16th-18th centuries by White Christians to the New World were settled in Brazil and the Caribbean; only 600,000 came to what is today the United States of America, 2/3 of them males and 1/3 women. Though the scourge of slavery is indeed a harsh episode of American history, we ended it of our own volition in a bloody war with cost 600,000+ lives on the battlefield. While there was a strong abolitionist movement in Western Christianity and Judaism, there has never been one in Islam, because…

“Slavery is a part of Islam…(those who argue that slavery is abolished are) ignorant, not scholars. They are merely writers. Whoever says such things is an infidel.”–Saudi Sheikh Saleh Al-Fawzan (member of the Senior Council of Clerics), 2003

“Islam does not prohibit slavery but retains it for two reasons. The first reason is war (whether it is a civil war or a foreign war in which the captive is either killed or enslaved) provided that the war is not between Muslims against each other – it is not acceptable to enslave the violators, or the offenders, if they are Muslims. Only non-Muslim captives may be enslaved or killed. The second reason is the sexual propagation of slaves which would generate more slaves for their owner.”–Dr. Abdul-Latif Mushtahari, “You Ask and Islam Answers” p. 51-52

“Narrated Abu Huraira: The Verse:–”You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind.” means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.”–Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 80

After all…

“Yahya related to me from Malik from Abu’z-Zinad from al-Araj from Abu Hurayra that the Messenger of Allah said…Be slaves of Allah, [PD: Muslim] brothers.””–Al-Muwatta 47 47.4.15

The mentality of slavery pervades the Shari’a, far beyond the mere enslavement of the harbi in ghazwat during Jihad.

Over a period of 1300+ years, mujahedin took up to a staggering 32,000,000 black slaves and caused the deaths of approximately 112,000,000 blacks (as collateral damage) in the process. Males only made up 1/3 of those enslaved, conscripted into slave militias or made guards of harems; some were forced to work on plantations, though this was predominately the kind of labor allotted to white Slaves in the Mediterranean, the Aegean, and the Black Sea. They were almost-invariably castrated on-the-spot (with a casualty rate of 80-90%, partly explaining the high collateral-damage rate, wanton bloodshed during ghazwat and the subsequent march of survivors through the arid Sahel and Sahara explaining the rest), which is why so few have descendants (though there are some around the Gulf, in North Africa and Gaza). 2/3 were women, who were taken as ma malakat aymanukum (possessions of the right hand) — in other words, as sex-slaves to be abused in the harems and seraglios of the mu’minin (those who have Iman — true faith). This is not to whitewash the horror of the trans-Atlantic slave trade or the culpability of the West — this is only to highlight that the Muslimin (who were the unquestioned masters of slave-raiding and the slave trade) engaged in an equally-horrific (if not more horrific) slavery campaign in Africa for more than a millennium (one which, sadly, continues to this day, as we see in Sudan and Mauretania et al).

Remember when Susan Sontag called white people “a cancer”? Well, I might just agree with her (and I’m a Middle Eastern male, so don’t try it, Tranzis and other assorted Progs!)…

“Narrated Anas bin Malik: While we were sitting with the Prophet in the mosque, a man came riding on a camel. He made his camel kneel down in the mosque, tied its foreleg and then said: “Who amongst you is Muhammad?”. At that time the Prophet was sitting amongst us (his companions) leaning on his arm. We replied, “THIS WHITE MAN RECLINING ON HIS ARM.””–Sahih Bukhari Volume 1 Book 3 Number 63

“Narrated Isma’il bin Abi Khalid: I heard Abii Juhaifa saying, “I saw the Prophet, and Al-Hasan bin ‘Ali resembled him.” I said to Abu- Juhaifa, “Describe him for me.” He said, “HE WAS WHITE and his beard was black with some white hair. He promised to give us 13 young she-camels, but he expired before we could get them.””–Sahih Bukhari Volume 4 Book 56 Number 744

“Abu Tufail reported: I saw Allah’s Messenger and there is one amongst the people of the earth who (are living at the present time and) had seen him except me. I said to him: How did you find him? He said: HE HAD AN ELEGANT WHITE COLOR, and he was of an average height.”–Sahih Muslim Book 30 Number 5778

“Jurairi reported: I said to Abu Tufail: Did you see Allah’s Messenger? He said: Yes, he had a white handsome face. Muslim b. Hajjaj said: Abu Tufail who died in 100 Hijra was the last of the Companions of Allah’s Messenger.”–Sahih Muslim Book 30 Number 5777


Someone please tell the Nation of Islam that the Sahih Ahadith describe Rasul’allah Abu’l-Qasim as a white man…

Who owned and mistreated black slaves!

“These are the names of Muhammad’s male slaves: Yakan Abu Sharh, Aflah, ‘Ubayd, Dhakwan, Tahman, Mirwan, Hunayn, Sanad, Fadala Yamamin, Anjasha al-Hadi, Mad’am, Karkara, Abu Rafi’, Thawban, Ab Kabsha, Salih, Rabah, Yara Nubyan, Fadila, Waqid, Mabur, Abu Waqid, Kasam, Abu ‘Ayb, Abu Muwayhiba, Zayd Ibn Haritha, AND ALSO A BLACK SLAVE CALLED MAHRAN, WHO WAS RENAMED (BY MUHAMMAD) SAFINA (`SHIP’).”–Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya’s “Zad al-Ma’ad” part 1 p. 114-116

“The apostle of God and his companions went on a trip. (When) their belongings became too heavy for them to carry, Muhammad told me, `Spread your garment.’ They filled it with their belongings, then they put it on me. The apostle of God told me, `Carry (it), for you are a ship.’ Even if I was carrying the load of six or seven donkeys while we were on a journey, anyone who felt weak would throw his clothes or his shield or his sword on me so I would carry that, a heavy load. The prophet told me, `You are a ship.”‘–Ibn Qayyim, Pages 115-116; al-Hulya, Volume 1, Page 369, quoted from Ahmad 5:222

“Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah’s Apostle was on a journey and HE HAD A BLACK SLAVE CALLED ANJASHA, and he was driving the camels (very fast, and there were women riding on those camels). Allah’s Apostle said, “Waihaka (May Allah be merciful to you), O Anjasha! Drive slowly (the camels) with the glass vessels (women)!””–Sahih Bukhari Volume 8 Book 73 Number 182

In fact, there seems to be a strain of RACIST CREATIONISM in the Sunna, within the Sahih Sittah itself…someone please alert Charles Johnson of LGF to this!

“Allah’s Messenger said: Allah created Adam when He had to create him and He struck his right shoulder and there emitted from it white offspring as if they were white ants. He struck his left shoulder and there emitted from it the black offspring as if they were charcoal. He then said (to those who had been emitted) from the right (shoulder): For Paradise and I do not mind. Then He said to those (who had been emitted) from his left shoulder: They are for hell and I do not mind. Transmitted by Ahmad.”–Jami at-Tirmidhi 38

“Abu Darda reported that the Holy Prophet said: Allah created Adam when he created him (sic). Then He stroke (sic) his right shoulder and took out a white race as if they were seeds, and He stroke (sic) his left shoulder and took out a black race as if they were coals. Then He said to those who were in his right side: Towards paradise and I don’t care. He said to those who were on his left shoulder: Towards Hell and I don’t care. – Ahmad”–Mishkat, v. iii, p. 117

Philip_Daniel on March 18, 2010 at 12:44 pm

Phineas – while no one is claiming that identured servitude was a good thing, it’s also not really comparable to slavery. Identured servants made voluntary contracts for specific periods of time (although sometimes brought against their will, were all still enslaved only for specified period of time); slaves were brought against their will and kept for life, and their children were made slaves as well. White indentured servants could generally blend into society after a certain point; that wasn’t the case for Africans, who were easily identifiable even when/if freed. Indentured servants had some rights (although not many), slaves were generally on the same level as chattel and had none.

In addition, it’s not really related to the point that I was making. Ender’s comment made the point that white people freed the slaves, so black people should be grateful to them. My comment was a response to that, namely pointing out that that’s in no way a logical point to make. White people were the majority that brought Africans to North America and enslaved them in the first place (regardless of who else they were also enslaving at the time). The fact that white people eventually figured out that that was wrong doesn’t mean that black people should be drowning in gratitude; that doesn’t make any sense. I thought the comparison I made was apt, but here’s another if it didn’t work for you – it’s like a man beating and berating his wife for years, then realizing his mistake and not beating her anymore. I don’t think anyone would expect her to be grateful to him.

Now am I saying that all black people should hate Whitey? Absolutely not, and they don’t. You can’t take a choice selection of black people who are racist against whites and use it as a blanket condemnation for the entire race, just like they shouldn’t take a choice selection of white people who are racist against black people and use it the same way. And nearly every comment on here is making blanket statements, if not condemnations, of black people as a whole.

hellcat on March 18, 2010 at 1:01 pm

“And nearly every comment on here is making blanket statements, if not condemnations, of black people as a whole.”–hellcat

Did you read my post?

Philip_Daniel on March 18, 2010 at 1:04 pm

bgdh1 – two things. One, telling anyone who has an issue here to go somewhere else is being simplistic and a bit unpatriotic, honestly. No one gets to decide unilaterally who belongs in the US and who doesn’t – that’s one of the founding principles of the country, right, this whole democracy thing? If this is my home, and it’s just as much mine as it is yours, I’m allowed to love it while still having issues with it. It’s my job as a citizen to step up and try to correct the problems I see, right? So how can I do that without bringing it up? That’s another founding principle, freedom of speech. So I could just as easily say to you, if you don’t like my freedom to say what I want, then you should go somewhere else.

The second is – and this wasn’t the argument I was originally making, but I’m happy to get into it – I think that again, it’s simplistic to say that black people should stop complaining about slavery when the issue is clearly not just slavery, it’s the years of racism as well. You can’t pretend that racism ended when slavery did. Even through the 1950s and 60s there was this separate but equal, back of the bus business; even today you have comment sections like this, where everyone feels the need to jump in with their ideas on what’s wrong with black people, why they’re so lazy/entitled/etc. Which just goes back to my original point – you can’t complain that black people whine about racism where non exists in the same post in which you describe all of the things wrong with black people.

I mean, clearly you can, because you just did, but it just makes you sound really unaware.

hellcat on March 18, 2010 at 1:23 pm

Phillip Daniel – nope. Your post was put up while I was still typing mine. Also, it’s 8000 pages long. I just skimmed through it so I may be missing things but I will say:
1) I’m not commenting on Islam because it’s not really relevant to either of my comments;
2) Again, my original comment was a response to Ender’s comment that white people freed the slaves so black people should be grateful. I made the point that white people were also the ones to enslave Africans in the first place (for the most part) so, it’s sort of silly to expect them to be grateful to whites for their freedom. Telling me that white people have also enslaved others – and been enslaved themselves – is informative, but not really relevant to my point.
3) “Though the scourge of slavery is indeed a harsh episode of American history, we ended it of our own volition in a bloody war with cost 600,000+ lives on the battlefield” – yes. In a civil war. As in, a war within the US. If we had all wanted to end it, no lives would have been lost. A fair number of us wanted to keep it going, so I’m not sure what your point is there.

hellcat on March 18, 2010 at 1:43 pm

So let me get this straight:

An actress describes her own experiences in Hollywood, including the fact that she’s been denied parts because of her race.

And Debbie Schlussel angrily accuses HER of a being a racist.

Yeah, that makes sense.

M on March 18, 2010 at 11:41 pm

hellcat March 18 @ 1:43: Perhaps instead of listening to Jessie Jackson, Sharpton, Gates, etc., you should be reading Thomas Sowell, Alan Keyes, Ellis Washington.

bgdh1 on March 19, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    bgdh – I’m actually not a fan of Rev. Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, although I will admit to not having read anything by Alan Keyes, Thomas Sowell, or Ellis Washington. However, I really didn’t think there was anything terribly incendiary – or anything that anyone logical could disagree with – in my 1:43 comment on Mar 18th. I said that I wouldn’t discuss the Muslim aspects of it, that I thought it was silly to expect black people to be grateful to whites for ending slavery, and (in the same vein) that “we ended slavery of our own volition” was a misrepresentation of the situation because while it’s true that there were a fair number of US citizens that wanted to end slavery, there were also a great deal of US citizens that didn’t (otherwise there would have been no war). So to use that to say that clearly, all US citizens wanted the end of slavery and thought it was wrong, well, it’s just not correct.

    Please let me know what your actual issues with it were, versus a reading list.

    hellcat on March 22, 2010 at 11:15 am

“Saldana got at least one of these roles BECAUSE–not despite–the fact that she’s Black…And, regardless of what was in the original series, they still could have done this and cast a White chick. But, instead, Hollywood employed racism and cast the Uhura character only from a pool of Black actresses. Yes, she got the job because she’s Black. The racism worked in her favor.”

You realize that by this logic, it’s racism that Kirk and Spock were played by white guys just because they were white in the originals. By this logic, it’s racism that Harry, Hermione, and Ron are white in the Potter movies just because they’re white in the books, or that James Bond is white in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace just because the the character in the books and preceding actors were all white. Preservation of a character’s race in an adapted screenplay is not racism, it’s faithfulness to the original story material. I’ll buy that race-swapping a major role could work when the original work has a tiny and non-fanatical fanbase, but it’d fall apart when the fanbase is Trekkies (no offense to Trekkies). Further, if it really is racism, it cuts against minorities a lot more than it cuts for them.

For that matter, by your logic, it’s sexism that the Peter Parker role (Spider Man) is reserved for men and it’s sexism that we haven’t had a male Bond Girl. See where your logic breaks down?

In fact, AFAIK the only major franchise that’s explicitly open to race-swapping starring roles is Doctor Who (half of the shortlisted candidates for the role of the Eleventh Doctor were ethnic). Eleven’s comments in his intro scene also imply that they’re open to swapping the Doctor’s gender as well (he momentarily thinks he regenerated as a woman).

Saldana’s claim appears to be that “traditional” actresses are at an advantage in roles that aren’t specifically targeted for any race (the third category). You (Ms. Schlussel) in no way refute that, but instead argue that Saldana is an actress who has snagged roles written specifically for ethnic women. These are two independent claims, and it’s easy for both to be true if Saldana is a talented actress.

ZachPruckowski on March 19, 2010 at 4:56 pm

I remember not long ago that Denzel Washington complained on Oprah that even he couldn’t get good parts in movies. Go figure.

fairdonald on March 19, 2010 at 5:20 pm

I’m black and I get tired of hearing drug dealers and gangster who get arrested for whatever, cry racism. I don’t necessarily care to hear from privileged black folks cry about the injustices that they have suffered at the hands of “the man” either. However, as a thirty something average middle class black man who is a veteran and continues to work for the US military as a civilian, where do I fit in?

I don’t agree with whiners or chronic complainers, but I damn sure don’t want to hear about how I should go back to “mother Africa’ or other ignorant shit like that. What about those of us who serve our country, pay our bills, keep up our homes and show respect for our neighbors and our community?

I guess we don’t deserve a voice. I’m either an Obama supporting monkey that should go back to Africa or the white man’s lap dog who has turned his back on his own kind.

America continues to shine light on the ignorant, self serving degenerates of every race while alienating those of us who try our best every day to just fit in. Oops, guess I just jumped into the whiny black category. Time to pack my shit and go back to a place I’ve never been.

ihateeverybody on March 21, 2010 at 7:35 pm

@ ihateeverybody :
In 21st Century America you didn’t get a voice unless you’re angry at everyone or have been a victim of The Man. The rest of us, are just supposed to sit down and shut up while Mommy and Daddy fight.

TravisJohnson on April 9, 2010 at 4:32 pm

very dumb and uninformative, she is Dominican, get your facts straight before you publish. La Di Da Di Da, racism has many faces, everyone should know that. And having said that, Hollywood IS racist but not so much in a bad way, they have to fill the parts with specific characteristics duh. So I know what she is saying, my baby is mixed and shot a diaper commercial, it didn’t air because she was not dark enough, but one shouldn’t take it personal, that’s show biz!

what a dork on May 1, 2010 at 10:10 pm

WoW. Trash black people on here. While your at it, go tell your non exsistant wife and put on your clan ger

dbisanidtio on June 9, 2011 at 10:48 pm

We can totally tack nigger onto the final sentence that this rich white woman wrote.

“Shut up and act, nigger!”

The Star Trek movie was utterly racist! Its the year 2300 or whatever the fuck, where are all the black people?

L on March 7, 2012 at 3:24 am

So glad I stumbled across this page! It only confirms that racism by those who believe they are not racist, still does indeed exist. Keep on writing Debbie! By the way, Debbie should do a genetics test & post her %’s of ancestry; that would be very interesting to see…

DRDY on November 11, 2013 at 1:17 pm

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