August 15, 2007, - 12:58 pm

Attention, ICE Investigators: Hollywood’s ICE Movie Director/Writer Threatens to Sue Schlussel Over Immigration Fraud (Where There’s Smoke . . .); Plus, Weinstein Brothers Threaten Schlussel Over Muslim Honor Killing Scene

**** UPDATE, 06/05/08: ****
Why are so many big players in Hollywood afraid of me and my website? Why do the filmmakers for “” want to shut me up?
Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. And I think there’s something to the questions I raised, last week, about .

ICE, The Movie, Producers and Writer/Director Threaten Schlussel

Why else did I get threatening letters from two different lawyers representing both Kramer and the Weinstein Brothers, nearly a week after my piece exposing the Muslim honor killing scene they deleted from their anti-ICE agent movie, “Crossing Over” (which also questioned how Wayne Kramer became a citizen)?
I think it’s also interesting that they’re upset that I posted the Muslim honor-killing scene they removed from their movie, under pressure from Muslims. I won’t remove it from my site. They cite the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which does not affect my rights to fair use. Under the Fair Use Doctrine, long held and established by federal courts, I can quote and/or excerpt a portion of a copyrighted, written work for the purpose of commentary and/or criticism. A court might look at the economic value that has been decreased by my posting of the work, but in this case, the scene was removed from the movie, so it’s hard to make a case that I decreased the value of the work.
Clearly, these Hollywood First Amendment clowns don’t believe in the First Amendment when it comes to their critics.
I’m not worried about either of these threats, and I won’t be silenced by them. But if I were an entrepreneurial ICE supervisor in Los Angeles, I’d ask my agents to immediately start looking at Kramer’s immigration file. I think I hit a nerve.
Whoever replaces is going to have a heck of a press conference if, in fact, he gets to announce:

Today, ICE in cooperation with the Justice Department announces federal immigration fraud charges against Wayne Kramer, writer and director of “Crossing Over,” starring Harrison Ford, Sean Penn, Ray Liotta, and Ashley Judd.

I think that would be fitting, given that Kramer’s movie questions the “difficulties” of the immigration process in America (which is actually rife with gaping holes) and ICE agents who do their job–and took out the only accurate scene in the movie, the Muslim honor-killing scene. So, without further ado, here are the e-mails I received from Hollywood lawyers yesterday, coupled with my responses:

From: Leah Antonio-Ketcham
Date: Aug 14, 2007 3:10 PM
Subject: Wayne Kramer
To :
Cc : “Kline, Laine”, Eric Roth
Dear Ms. Schlussel,
I represent Wayne Kramer, the writer and director of the film currently entitled “Crossing Over” (the “Picture”). A copy of your August 9, 2007 blog newsletter entitled (the “Article”) has been forwarded to me for attention.
I have reviewed the Article and have found that it contains several defamatory remarks concerning my client. For example, you have suggested that Mr. Kramer fraudulently obtained his immigration status and therefore fraudulently achieved his American citizenship. You couldn’t be more misinformed. The character in CROSSING OVER is purely fictional and it is outrageous that you make such accusations based on the Picture’s script.
Your remarks about Mr. Kramer are baseless and without merit. You are directed to immediately cease and desist from any further defamatory actions or remarks concerning my client. In the event you fail to do so, Mr. Kramer intends to vigorously pursue all of the rights and remedies he has against you or any other third party. Nothing herein shall be deemed a waiver of any of Mr. Kramer’s rights and remedies at law or in equity, all of which are hereby expressly reserved.
Yours truly,
Leah Antonio-Ketcham, Esq.
Law Office of Leah Antonio-Ketcham, Esq.
520 Broadway
Suite 350
Santa Monica, CA 90401

My Response:

From: Debbie Schlussel
Date: Aug 14, 2007 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: Wayne Kramer
To: Leah Antonio-Ketcham
Dear Leah:
I suggest you and your client take reading comprehension lessons. I asked whether he defrauded immigration. I did not state that he did.
Since many characters in this film, including the one that is a Jewish South African (just like your client), defraud immigration–and since he said he went through all the experiences of the characters in his film, I suggest you tell your client to be more careful with what he tells the public, these days. Apparently, I need to remind you of this quote from YOUR client, Mr. Kramer:
I’ve lived every step of the way in the screenplay.”
Then your client speaks of people trying to get citizenship here: “the people caught up in it and forced to do fraudulent things.”
If he lived every step of the screenplay, it’s a fair conclusion that he did fraudulent things. So, did he, in fact, defraud immigration?
As Shakespeare might say, Thy client doth protest too much through a lawyer. Sounds to me like your client is actually worried that the many ICE agents who read my site might actually investigate your client and discover something. Will they? A Hollywood director who defrauded immigration–assuming your client did not lie when he said he lived every step of the screenplay–would be a big get and the subject of a big press conference for whomever replaces ICE chieftess Julie Myers.
Please provide me with a detailed account of under what circumstances your client arrived in America and how he went about getting any visas, green cards, identifications, and, ultimately, American citizenship. Did he work in America at any Hebrew or Jewish schools? Was there an Israeli woman who was a principal at a Jewish school, who deliberately looked the other way and knowingly allowed him to defraud immigration? If that is not the case, then clearly, your client lied to the press in the interview about his movie. And he’s lying and defrauding the international movie-going public about what goes on in Jewish schools in America, that they don’t, in fact, deliberately defraud ICE and CIS, as you and I and Mr. Kramer all know.
Please also provide me with a list of all rabbis he knows, including any who were in any way involved in your client’s immigration and citizenship quest. If there is no rabbi like the one in the film, then, again, your client lied to the press and lied about the Jewish people for the purpose of making a fraudulent movie.
Ms. Antonio-Ketcham, it is either one way or another. Either his movie is a lie–defaming ICE and CIS agents and adjudicators, Jews, Israelis, and Rabbis, in order to sympathize with Muslim extremist illegal aliens–or your client is a liar about his immigration experience. You cannot have it both ways.
Please also provide me with your client’s complete immigration file and the names of all immigration adjudicators (probably under the now-defunct INS). I will look forward to reviewing it. And I look forward to your response.
Debbie Schlussel

When they were unable to faze me with that, they sent me this:

From: Kline, Laine
Date: Aug 14, 2007 5:20 PM
Dear Ms. Schlussel
My name is Laine Kline, and I am the Senior Vice President of Business and Legal Affairs for The Weinstein Company and am authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the copyrighted works currently posted on your website.
Pursuant to the provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, I am writing to you to request you immediately disable access to the following link, which includes pages from the script for our film “Crossing Over”, which has not been authorized by us to be used on your or any other website at this time:

I hereby confirm that I have a good faith belief that use of these materials is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agents, or the law. The information in this notice is accurate and, under penalty of perjury, that I am authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.
I trust that this matter will be addressed promptly and with the utmost care. Would you please let me know when these have been removed from your site?
This letter is sent without prejudice to The Weinstein Company’s rights or remedies in connection with this matter, all of which are expressly reserved.
Very Truly Yours,
Laine R. Kline
Senior Vice President, Business and Legal Affairs
The Weinstein Company
5700 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 600
Los Angeles, California 90036
tel: +1 (323) 207-3098
facsimile: +1 (323) 954-7028

My Response:

From: Debbie Schlussel
Date: Aug 14, 2007 9:09 PM
Subject: Re:
To: “Kline, Laine”
Dear Laine:
The amount used on my site is a tiny percentage well within the fair use restrictions, as you well know. I look forward to your response. Say hi to the Weinstein Brothers for me. FYI, you are the second lawyer to threaten me with regard to “Crossing Over.” Why are you guys trying so hard to silence me?

I expect this will be the end of The Weinstein Company and Wayne Kramer trying to harass me into silence. But if it isn’t, and they do sue me, it will be very, very interesting.
And not for them. Everyone will want to know what’s in Wayne Kramer’s immigration file and why the Weinsteins are trying so hard to squelch a Muslim honor-killing scene.
Like I said, I think I hit a nerve.

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41 Responses

Give em’ hell Debbie!

Chiefscotty24 on August 15, 2007 at 2:16 pm

Debbie, you are my hero. Hollywood won’t be able to make any more profitable Islamofacist-loving movies with you on the case.
24: (the new CAIR-edited version): dud
Babel: sayonara
Mighty Heart: Kaboom!
ICE: direct to video, baby!
When will they learn to stop making these movies? They won’t work with Debbie on the case!

sonomaca on August 15, 2007 at 2:23 pm

Forgive me Debbie if I’m not sticking to the subject of your post, although it is all related to Islam, immigration and the fifth columnists.
I hate to be repetitive, but in my opinion, I truly believe that the best way to protect America and the American people from the imminent threat of Islam and the Muslims is to implement some measures detailed below.
The war of defense against Islam has two fronts: A domestic and an foreign one.
The security measures that I will outline deal with the homeland.
I would like to emphasize that the points that I am proposing are unemotional, straightforward, to the point, politically incorrect defense mechanisms, if implemented, the security of this nation will be greatly improved and the danger of Islam will be diminished if not reduced to nothing.
Several measures have to be taken to ensure the security of this nation:
1 – Put a limit on all kinds of visas. Entrance to the U.S.A. must be controlled. Legal Immigration shouldn’t be as easy as it is right now.
2 – Visas shouldn’t be easily granted to Muslims. And it will be even better if they are not granted at all to them. Let us be blunt here. Yes, the State Department with the help of the FBI/CIA can find out who is Muslim and who is not. Only non-Muslim the Dhimmis) living in Islamic country have the privilege of coming to America.
3 – All borders must be completely sealed.
4 – The Muslims living in this country have to be monitored and investigated, all of them. Those who are found to be related to terrorist organizations, those who overstayed their visas and those who committed crimes must be prosecuted and/or deported and stripped from their citizenship if they are “citizens.”
5 – Those Muslims who live in America and express hate towards this country must be asked to leave immediately, and be stripped from their citizenship.
6 – A system of street surveillance (CCTV) must be put in place all over the country, like Great Britain. Its sole purpose is monitoring, identifying the terrorists and, when possible, preventing terrorist acts.
7 – The citizens of these United States should not be afraid to be labeled “bigots,” “racists,” etc. If they feel, see or hear any suspicious activities, they should be applauded and rewarded for reporting them. There should be more encouragement from the government. It is better to be labeled “bigot” than being a coward and politically correct. Do not hand your country to the Muslims who, when in charge, will behead you.
8 – “Political Correctness” must be banned as a word and as an ACTION from these United States, i.e. that word must be as objectionable, as offensive, as vulgar as the “N” word.
9 – Any Media outlet that is trying to cover up or find excuses for the Islamic terrorists or for the Muslims living in this country who are attempting to abuse our system of government, our laws and our way of life, must be punished by changing the TV channel, not buying the newspaper, not visiting the website and not advertising in it.
10 – Do not vote for traitors.
In case you didn’t notice, we live in a different world where the Muslims are waging two wars on the West, through:
A- Bloody Terrorism.
B- Peaceful Terrorism.
Bloody Terrorism:
You know about it. The blood of the Infidels is shed everyday all over the Globe by “peaceful” Islam.
Peaceful Terrorism:
You read about it everyday on this blog. It happens everyday all over America. In your city and in your neighborhood.
The Muslims are using your laws and your Constitution against you.
They are trying to impose their way of life on you, with, unfortunately and sadly, the help of fifth columnists.
The threat is REAL. Stop being delusional.
“Emotions, feelings, being nice, considerate, accommodate, sensitive, diverse, politically correct” have no place whatsoever in dealing with the survival of a nation and its national security.
If we love America, if we believe that our survival as a nation is more important than a political debate about abortion, social security, the economy, “global warming,” and the polar bear; if we really want to save the unborn so they can have a safer country to live in and an American way of life as we know it, then we better get our act together and start implementing these 10 survival measures.
We can’t afford to lose because there will be no “in retrospective,” no “Monday morning quarterback,” no “in hindsight.” It is going to be too late to regret.
The threat of Islam is REAL and it is goddamn VERY DANGEROUS. I know it like nobody else. Take my word for it.
My fellow Americans, the threat to the survival of this nation is not caused by the Atheists, the Evangelicals, the Jews, the Catholics, the Eco-terrorists, the Republicans or the Democrats, it is by Islam and the Muslims.
We are not focusing on the target, our eyes are not on the ball, we are losing sight and direction.
Let us solve the Islamic problem THEN we can yell at each other about protecting and hugging the trees and the penguins. Believe me, there will be no trees, no penguins, no unborn and no nation to protect if we don’t focus on eliminating the REAL danger.
If America doesn’t unite in the fight against the Islamic enemy, the only thing that will unite us is a premature, early, bloody DEATH.
Ask yourself these questions:
Do I really want to hand over my country and my way of life on a silver platter to the Muslims who have no other wish than to convert it into a 7th century Bedouin-like tribe under a barbaric Islamic Law?
Do I really want to be slaughtered by a bloodthirsty son of a bitch so that he can satisfy his sexual desires by supposedly having sex with 72 Virgins in a fictitious heaven, as a reward promised by a fictitious god?
My fellow Americans, many of you are more arrogant than complacent.
Many of us think:
“This is America, we’ll kick their butt, we’ll blow’em up, we’ll show’em what we can do, we’ll bomb Mecca, they won’t take over America, it’s bullshit, we’ll put a bullet in their heads, etc.”
It is this kind of arrogance, of complacency, of stupidity and, yes, of weakness that destroyed the Roman Empire.
We are not learning from History. We still, even after September 11, 2001, do not understand what Islam is capable of doing.
Unfortunately, at this point, I have to agree with those voices who say that another September 11 will be a wake up call. Yet I do not agree that it will be a “wake up call.”
Right now our attitude can only be described as a “death wish.”

Independent Conservative on August 15, 2007 at 2:26 pm

Take it to them Debbie and don’t stop. Thanks, finally someone to stand up and say enough.

agom5555 on August 15, 2007 at 2:38 pm

Debbie, I am so impressed with how you’re handling this situation. Clearly the lawyers for Kramer and the Weinsteins don’t know about you what your readers do – you don’t scare easily and you back up your claims with facts. I’m very interested to see how this develops.

Captain Kidd on August 15, 2007 at 2:41 pm

Debbie, although I probably disagree with your views on things quite often, I have to give you “mad props” (sorry for the hip-hop slang!) on this one. You definitely flipped the script (quite literally!) on the attorney and the studio. They tried to shut you up but instead got themselves beat down! I especially enjoyed your response to Leah. I thought they knew….they better come correct or don’t come at all!
Go on, Girl! You’d make a great trial attorney….

JibberJabber on August 15, 2007 at 3:33 pm

I am a big proponent of Fair Use, however in this situation you might have a problem since it is from an unreleased work. Since the script was obtained from “one of your loyal spies” as you put it, they could argue that fair use does not apply since it was never released publicly. It would be different if you referenced the scene rather than posting a page of the actual script.
It would be like someone posting a page from the new Harry Potter book (before it’s release obviously) and making comments on it, then claiming fair use. I find it hard to believe that a judge would come in on their side.

D*Rek on August 15, 2007 at 4:08 pm

IC: Please add this one to your list: DESTROY THE ACLU. Nothing, nothing, is more dangerous to the continued survival of this country than the ACLU. The ACLU will fight for Islam and against Christianity until their own heads are seperated from their bodies. They are the greatest internal ally that radical muslims could ever wish for.

spiffo on August 15, 2007 at 4:10 pm

Keep on screaming Debbie and don’t you ever relent to the empty threats of these hollywood hooligans. In fact, the more they attempt to silence you, the louder you must scream. They tried to shut down conservative radio talk shows under the “Fairness Doctrine bill” they manufacured which turned out to be a fiasco thanks to the Supreme Court that vetoed the bill.The ones who must shut the fark up is those vociferating hollywood thugs and their p.c. henchmen in the media and Congress who are pushing to eradicate freedom of speech.
Keep on breathing Debbie! I think your work is brilliant even though I may sometimes respectfully disagree with you on certain issues but nonetheless. You can write your blogs what ever you want how ever you like just so as long as you don’t expunge my privilige to post my comments on your site….lol.

Jew Chick on August 15, 2007 at 4:30 pm

Can you make an FOI request on Wayne Kramer’s immigration file with the government? Could you do that if they sued you?

There is NO Santa Claus on August 15, 2007 at 4:53 pm

Don’t back down!
Let’s hear it for truth in advertising.

Jeremiah on August 15, 2007 at 5:11 pm

So if I’m reading your list correctly, you’re saying the only way to save America is to destroy what makes this country great? You solution is for America to become a racists police state? And you want to do all this to prevent the Muslims from imposing their will on us?
Putting aside for the moment the ludicrous idea that somehow the Muslims are going to come over here and take over the country, it seems to me that your solutions are just as bad as the “problem”. It would be like saving a suicidal person by shooting them in the head.

D*Rek on August 15, 2007 at 5:19 pm

I love the empty rhetoric from We, Cheet’m, and How. These characters entertainment lawyers? I disagree with D*REK. This scene is admittedly not being included, so what is the big deal. Scripts are registered with the Writer’s Guild, sometimes copyrighted and then shopped around Hollywood. Buzz starts almost immediately with various people sharing parts or all of the script. The laws are supposed to protect against theft not criticism. Pre-release buzz can work to promote the film or demote it, which way it goes is entirely the right of the public to decide. Why doesn’t Kramer promote the movie if it is such a winner? Give us something that hasn’t been used a thousand times like your alleged scam with religious worker fraud.
Debbie you should phone a complaint into the DHS Tip line on Kramer so that any agent who would want to follow-up has the basis to open a case. The complaint would be sent to the Office of the Special Agent in Charge, Los Angeles for distribution to the benefit fraud unit.

code7 on August 15, 2007 at 5:19 pm

The producers would like nothing more than to generate publicity for this atrocity. They would love to have Kramer led away in handcuffs.
BTW: I never knew Harrison Ford was of the extreme lefty variety.

sonomaca on August 15, 2007 at 5:31 pm

Debbie, if I ever need a lawyer, I want you. You are superb. Smart and fearless.

lexi on August 15, 2007 at 6:57 pm

Debbie, thanks for all you do. I learn more each day on what going on in our country. These people are evil!
God bless you and God bless America!!

Marauder6 on August 15, 2007 at 7:18 pm

WOW – fabulous to read this post. Great job Debbie!!!

CarpeDiem on August 15, 2007 at 8:14 pm

Get a clue!
It is you and your “progressive” buddies that want to destroy what makes America great. It is you and your liberal-nazi friends who want impose your totalitarian state on us! You make common cause with the jihadists because you both share the same goal – destroy America.
I suggest you move to that “paradise” known as Castro’s Cuba. You should feel right at home there.

WillPower on August 15, 2007 at 9:43 pm

IC: Please add this one to your list: DESTROY THE ACLU. Nothing, nothing, is more dangerous to the continued survival of this country than the ACLU. The ACLU will fight for Islam and against Christianity until their own heads are seperated from their bodies. They are the greatest internal ally that radical muslims could ever wish for.
Posted by: spiffo at August 15, 2007 04:10 PM
The ACLU is part of the generalization I wrote about, when I said:
“They (the Muslim) are trying to impose their way of life on you, with, unfortunately and sadly, the help of fifth columnists.”
There are many traitors in this country, and you are right, the ACLU is their leader.

Independent Conservative on August 15, 2007 at 10:19 pm

“Liberal-Nazi”? Yes, we’re all “liberal-nazi’s” because as history as shown us, no group in history has been as Liberal as the Nazi’s. There are other TV stations on cable other than Fox News, one of them is called the History Channel. They have a lot of documentaries on the Nazis. You might want to try watching one before you start throwing labels around and end up making a fool of yourself.

D*Rek on August 15, 2007 at 10:39 pm

So if I’m reading your list correctly, you’re saying the only way to save America is to destroy what makes this country great? You solution is for America to become a racists police state? And you want to do all this to prevent the Muslims from imposing their will on us?
Putting aside for the moment the ludicrous idea that somehow the Muslims are going to come over here and take over the country, it seems to me that your solutions are just as bad as the “problem”. It would be like saving a suicidal person by shooting them in the head.
Posted by: D*Rek at August 15, 2007 05:19 PM
The Muslims are already trying to impose their filth on us and they succeeded in some areas with the help of traitors.
Sufficient to read the daily accounts posted by Debbie Schlussel.
There is one enemy to Freedom and Liberty and it is Islam.
To save America, to save what makes America great, one has to make tough decisions.
We have to focus on the threat, and not be distracted by empty rhetoric pronounced by people on the Left and their Muslim friends about a so-called potential loss of Freedom and Liberty they pretend to love and cherish, yet they are the first who want to take it away from the people.
The Muslims living in America do not deserve to be here anyway, they do not deserve the Freedom, the Liberty, and the Goodness this Land is providing to Free people.
Therefore, if restricting their freedom of movement, of expression, if monitoring and interrogating them, if deporting them is the only way to protect Freedom, so be it.

Independent Conservative on August 15, 2007 at 10:40 pm

Good for you Debbie! I am so sick of the SHJ’sÆ (Self Hating Jews) who have joined hands with the Jihadis.
It’s bad enough that we have to live amongst Neo-Nazis, Skinheads and Jihadis……but to endure SAJ’sÆ in these dangerous times, is really too much to bear.
Thank G_d we have you and a handful of others who remain true to their faith and country.

Miluimnik on August 15, 2007 at 10:48 pm

Leftist-nazi is the correct term, although most liberals or “progressives” are just leftists in disguise.
I guess you didn’t bother to read the link. So, here’s an excerpt.
**”Everything must be different!” or “Alles muss anders sein!” was a slogan of the Nazi Party. It is also the heart’s desire of every Leftist since Karl Marx. Nazism was a deeply revolutionary creed, a fact that is always denied by the Left; but it’s true. Hitler and his criminal gang hated the rich, the capitalists, the Jews, the Christian Churches, and “the System”. They went through their Leftist phase early in life, and then went on to discover Aryan racial purity as their beau ideal. (As a swarthy Italian, Mussolini preferred to appeal to ancient Roman imperial glory).
Nazism was hatched in the same little intellectual cafes as a myriad of Leftwing ideologies, like social-democracy, anarchism, the Socialist Workers’ Party, Trotskyism, Proudhonism, the lot. Peter Viereck writing in 1941 saw fascism’s origins clearly. In the back streets of European cities you can still find the local anarchist or Leninist storefront, with old guys wearing 1900 laborer’s caps and big mustaches, and fierce revolutionary posters of Lenin tacked on the walls. You can also find them in Berkeley, California.**

WillPower on August 15, 2007 at 10:49 pm

Debbie this is one of your best posts ever! I will be the first to contribute to your legal defense fund if these A-hole ambulance chasers want to push this BS. But there will be no law suit as they have no case and were trying to intimidate you. These morons obviously have no clue who they are dealing with! Thank you so much for posting copies of the letters you exchanged. I am married to a an honest decent attorney and you are also a credit to the legal profession. SCHMUCKS like these guys are why lawyers get such a bad rap.

FingerEleven on August 15, 2007 at 11:09 pm

Code7, that would be the law firm of Duey, Cheatem & Howe. And I agree with your fine post. Those morons should be paying DS for the free publicity they are getting for their lame azz B movie.

FingerEleven on August 15, 2007 at 11:15 pm

BEST DS line of the year!
“Dear Leah:
I suggest you and your client take reading comprehension lessons.”

FingerEleven on August 15, 2007 at 11:17 pm

The Nazi’s also took advantage of a terrorist attack (the Reichtag Fire) to take away civil liberties in the name of security, to expand their power, and to start an unnecessary war. Now which party does that sound like?

D*Rek on August 15, 2007 at 11:18 pm

Another best DS line of the year:
“Dear Laine: …Say hi to the Weinstein Brothers for me…”

CarpeDiem on August 15, 2007 at 11:42 pm

Oh, and D*Rek – what civil liberties have you lost? The right to talk with your terrorist friends in Pakistan? Or are you referring to the “civil liberties” lost when the Democratic controlled House and Senate approved the update to the FISA law?

WillPower on August 16, 2007 at 12:24 am

Do you really mean what you say?? The Reichstag fire was terrorism? Wasn’t that a piece of Nazi propaganda? Are you a secret Nazi?
Or are you implying that 9/11 was not real terrorism? Are you a leftwing nutjob? Is Cynthia McKinney your idol? Reality check needed.

And who is it that hates “the rich, the capitalists, the Jews, the Christian Churches,…” like Hitler and his Nazis? Sounds like the left wingers and their islamo-nazi allies to me.

WillPower on August 16, 2007 at 12:01 am

While evidence has since come out that Nazi’s were behind the Reichtag fire, at the time it was blamed on Dutch Reformists. So at the time it happened, yes, it was a terrorist attack.
On a side note, I’d like to apologize to the board as a whole for insinuating that the current administration is somehow on par with the Nazis. It was a knee jerk reaction to being called a Nazi myself by Will Power. For the record, no party in this country is anything close to being on par with the Nazis, and frankly it has no place in a real discussion.
And IC,
So who gets to pick which Muslims are deported? What are you going to do about American citizens who convert? What are you going to do about the Timothy McVay’s of the world? Are you going to deport people like him as well? And where does it stop?
If you honestly thing that Liberals in this country are like the Nazi’s then there’s nothing I can say that’s going to change your mind. Frankly I think it’s rather sad that you can’t make your counterpoints to my post without resorting to childish name calling.

D*Rek on August 16, 2007 at 8:54 am

Dreck: I’ve had to tell you this before–stop being a crybaby sissy. If you want to contribute, please contribute something of value. Thank you.

lexi on August 16, 2007 at 9:44 am

So making points in response to someones ramblings and trying to have a discussion that doesn’t involve calling someone a Nazi is considered being a “crybaby sissy”?
Would you rather I just call you an “ignorant fu*&ing Nazi loving Douche” Lexi rather than try to counter your points?

D*Rek on August 16, 2007 at 9:52 am

Hey Independent Conservative, any chance we could run you for President? You have hit the nail exactly on the head. You have my vote! We need a coalition of like-minded thinkers to push this type of thinking to the forefront of all ’08 presidential candidates’ platforms or we are surely doomed.

Yankee Doodle on August 16, 2007 at 10:32 am

Yankee Doodle, I appreciate the support. The only way to save this country is to spread the word, let people know the nature of the danger they are unaware of.
I’m sure there are many out there who, like us, have the same sentiment and ideas about our beloved country and how to protect it from Islam.
People should talk loudly and let their voices be heard. What I mean by that is the following:
Grassroots of like-minded people should flood the Media, the Internet, the mail and email boxes, the phones of Congress members, the White House and the local politicians with what they truly feel about the rise of political, social and militant Islam in America and how this country is losing ground by giving in, thanks to political correctness exercised by the politicians who are willing to sell America for a few bucks.
Taking to the streets, not voting for traitors are other forms of protest.
We will not be silenced until we take our America back.

Independent Conservative on August 16, 2007 at 12:42 pm

way to off -topic hijack the blog you dorks!!
seal the border!!! hide under your bed!
it cant be considered “unreleased” because it was on the cutting room floor. what the whinebergs are kvetching about is turf AND that they got caught. RED handed.
another pack of hollyweird cowards that cant make a real movie about the most important battle in the world, too pussed out to even put in a scene ACTUALLY DEFENDING WOMEN FROM THE MOST EVIL CHAUVANISM!!
instead they go for eeeaasssyyyy targets like Booosh and “the vast right wing conspiracy” of “bloggers”.
well, they can kiss my ass too and the only reason they send out bark letters is because they know they cant win a damned thing and anybody with a brain knows it. If they could win that wouldve been a summons.
No, you dont have rights, they are reserved for liberals and traitor jews that cant stand for themselves and hide in the states or hollywood while real freedom fighters did in the desert for their sorry asses. Yes the guilt drives them even crazier…
They kow we’re on to them and and their golden calf cult out there and that things are changing under their feet that they cant control.
why cant they make a real damn movie about the war and make some real money the honest way instead of lamely pushing all this crap forth.
because they have no talent, all they have is power and deals.
that’s right Deb, you give hell and I hope they get really stupid and sue you so you can take them to the effin cleaners and get their cookies.
worthless punk ass hacks. l.a. sucks!!!

playertwo on August 16, 2007 at 1:18 pm

muslim “honor” killing? I nominate that for the 2007 Oxymoron of the Year Award!
By the way…Los Angeles is what native Los Angelenos call L.A., and Los Angeles does not suck, playertwo…merely all the liberals that flock here to be near the Pacific Ocean and all of their idols; sean penn, streisand and all the rest of their ilk. (deliberate non-capitalizations throughout this posting)
You should bless Los Angeles, playertwo, it keeps liberals relocating here in droves from states where their votes would really mean something and could convert swing blue states over to the “red” state column…we Conservative Los Angelenos should be thanked for the sacrifices we make for the good of the United States.
Would you prefer the millions of illegal aliens that Los Angeles atracts and absorbs from all over the world sneaking into your home town, rather than here in Los Angeles, playertwo??? We perform a valuable service for the rest of the honorable citizens of The United States of America, “the land of the free and the home of the brave.” *except for all of its lily-livered liberals…whose democrat party symbol, the jackass, should be changed to a tree, the pussy willow, a small tree (defined for the little liberals who might misinterpret the context of that term)…because pussy willows are little trees that bend whichever way the wind blows.

Hurricane Dean on August 16, 2007 at 4:15 pm

Correction: “could convert swing blue states over to the “red” state column…”
I always do that! I keep thinking liberal democrat states are REDS! I wonder why?

Hurricane Dean on August 16, 2007 at 5:03 pm

It is not “childish name calling” to point out how Liberals/Leftists/Progressives act and talk like Hitler’s gang. As the article I linked explains:
**The craving that “Everyhing must be different!” begins in personal psychology, and then becomes articulated in political beliefs. That’s why the same people can turn into anarchists or Nazis, Communists, or today, Post-Modernists, Deconstructionists, Radical Feminists, Socialists, Hillary followers, Islamo-fascists, you name it. It is why the ACLU chooses the worst criminals to defend; they secretly adore criminals, who are the ultimate rebels against society.
In teenagers the spirit of rebellion is perfectly normal, but it has its pathological extreme in what the psychiatric manual calls “oppositional personality disorder.” …
That is why the Soviet-Nazi pact of 1939 was a natural alliance. It is why Islamic Fascists in London get along so well with the Socialist Worker’s Party in the Respect coalition, fronted by “Gorgeous George” Galloway in the British Parliament.
A radical’s beliefs are only on the surface. It is the personal psychology that is always the same, and it always hankers to break down whatever humanity has built to date.**

It is in the most Leftist dominated segment of our society, academia, that most resembles Germany in the 1930’s. Political correctness and hate speech codes are used to stifle dissent to the Leftist orthodoxy. Conservative and apostate Leftists are verbally and physically harassed or prevented from speaking. Students are brainwashed with false Leftist propaganda.
So, yes, I honestly think that Leftists, masquerading as Liberals, are very much like Hitler’s Nazis.

WillPower on August 16, 2007 at 11:18 pm

You go, girl!!
Thanks for your courage and all the information you bring forward.
All God’s Blessings to you.

allat on August 18, 2007 at 1:53 pm

Kudos for your efforts to expose another of the incessant anti-America films & activities of the liberal Hollywood elite.
Hope you keep all the ducks in order so you can continue to expose their hypocrisies. Immigration has been so blown out of proportion by those seeking open borders & advantage for “their” side or ethnic group, rather than just obeying our laws, & by the greedy who exploit illegal alien workers & who would exploit the next group once this group was amnestied, apologists & victim pushers with their own political agendas keep fanning the flames of bias, bigotry, & prejudice, just so they can push for “their” socialist concept of what America should be.
The Nazi Reichstag fire mentioned previously, was set deliberately by the leftist fascist Nazi’s so they had a propaganda excuse to suspend civil liberties for all in Germany. However, any comparison of the Nazi actions to our Patriot Act response to 9-11, is a gross distortion of reality & fact.
The Nazi’s suspended civil liberties for all in Germany & particularly the Jews. The Patriot Act was centered on aliens & especially enemy combatant’s. American citizens could be tried by military tribunal even prior to the Patriot Act, & citizens could then & can now, always appeal to our citizen courts regardless. Only enemy alien combatants would not have the right to our civil courts. To provide such access means we are granting American Constitutional rights to the entire world. That is irrational & would make prosecutions of combatants almost impossible. Now if one’s goal is to impede or stop prosecution of enemy combatants or cause us to compromise war time information in open courts, for alien combatants to try to destroy us, then granting civil rights to them is just your ticket.
One thing is sure… rather than take prisoners, we may be just giving soldiers who know such combatants would just be freed by liberal judges, all the reason they need to take no prisoners. Too many combatants who were freed have ended up back on the battlefield as it is already. No nation grants legal proceedings trials like are proposed by some now & especially while active combat is still going on. Prisoners have always been held until hostilities were ended. Our prisoners are better off in our facilities than most of them have ever had it back home. Our less than one percent failure rate to treat prisoners properly (and we prosecuted those who violated those standards), is no justification for opening up our citizen court system to the mess such trials would bring.

Rubicon on June 16, 2008 at 8:04 pm

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