October 3, 2008, - 5:45 pm

On Last Night’s Debate: Palin Held Her Own, But BOTH Clueless on MidEast, Hezbo, Israel

By Debbie Schlussel
Since I’ve been critical of Sarah Palin’s ignorance over the last few weeks, I will also acknowledge that she held her own in the Vice Presidential Debate, last night, other than the ten times that she said “nuke-yuh-ler.” Reminds me of someone else, currently in the White House.
She gave great answers and knew her stuff on everything, except the Mid-East, on which she knew so little, she didn’t notice or attack a gaping mistake by Joe Biden about Hezbollah. Joe Biden was actually to the right of her on Israel, Lebanon, and that region of the Mid-East, and he actually knew more of what he was talking about.

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Biden, Palin Both Clueless on Hezbollah, Condi Clueless, Israel

Except the Hezbollah stuff. He claimed that at one point Hezbollah was kicked out of Lebanon. I was wondering what the heck he was talking about, since Hezbollah, from its start in the early ’80s, has always had a significant presence in South Lebanon, though it now dominates much more of the country. I think it’s safe to say I know more about Lebanon than any American blogger not of Lebanese descent, and I just couldn’t believe he said that.
To be fair, Sarah Palin didn’t dispute what he said because she’s even more clueless about the Mid-East and hasn’t a iota of knowledge about Hezbollah, or she would have corrected him in her rebuttal. She didn’t because she’s ignorant of the Mid-East and doesn’t know better about Hezbollah. Lucky us: wrong vs. ignorant, regarding the heart of Islamic terrorism.
Palin’s answer on how she supports a two-state solution in Israel and how she applauds Condoleezza Rice’s pressuring of Israel and apartheid housing policies for Jews in Israel, should tell you something. For all her alleged “pro-Israel” stances and all the gushing by Republican Jews over that, her expressed view on Israel, last night, is actually no different than George W. Bush’s and Barack Obama’s.
Palin claimed that we’ll never allow a second Holocaust, yet she supports the means to help that happen: giving Islamic terrorists Jewish people’s homes for a country. Hello . . .? This is what happens when you have ignorant people running, who are well coached. Coaching can only do so much, not teach you Mid-East history or the long-term goals and methods of jihad.
And let’s face it. None of this is her position, because she doesn’t know much about the Mid-East. It’s the John McCain position, which she was coached to parrot. And that’s bad news, but not surprising to me, since I’ve long noted it on this site.
As I’ve warned and warned and warned, John McCain is gonna be no great shakes on Israel, the Mid-East, Islam, and terrorism. Palin says that pressuring Israel to make “peace” (ie., amputate more pieces of land) with the Palestinians will be a top priority and that she and McCain want to continue in Rice’s step.
Is this really what you want? How is this different from Bill Clinton? From Madeleine Albright?
It isn’t. Israeli Esser Agaroth isn’t impressed. He’s rightfully disturbed.
No matter who is President–as Palin made clear, last night–Islamic terrorists will be rewarded with a state. So much for her continued claims to Katie Couric and Charles Gibson that they would fight Islamic terrorists around the world.
Also, as Biden pointed out, Bush’s policy of free elections to usher in HAMAS and more power for Hezbollah in the Lebanese government has been a predictable disaster, one which Bush pursued . . . in the name of giving Western legitimacy to barbaric Third World terrorists.
Palin has repeatedly insisted that she and John McCain want to spread democracy around the world including the Islamic world, as she told Katie Couric. And she couldn’t rebut Joe Biden on this, because democracy in the Mid-East does not work (except in Israel, which is basically a Western island).
Palin also espoused the BS position of both Obama and McCain, and Bush and Clinton and Bush before them, of moving the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. As I’ve noted before, this is a big lie. She isn’t the first to tell this lie or the last. It will never happen. Every single candidate elected to the White House, since Reagan, has promised this, but not a single one has lifted a finger to movie the embassy to Israel’s capital. In fact, each has opposed it. McCain-Palin and Obama-Biden will be no different. Don’t be a sucker for this throwaway line of fertilizer.
The bottom line is that neither Palin nor Biden were honest on the Mid-East. Both of their running mates will pressure Israel and create more disasters there in the name of negotiation and peace deals and free elections which elect Islamic extremists.
We expect that from the Democrats. We expect better, but don’t get it from the Republicans.
Either way, Israel is screwed. The so-called “two-state solution” is actually a one-state solution, with that state ending up, eventually to be a Palestinian State, with no Israel left.
Don’t forget, both Biden and Palin–especially Palin–see nothing wrong with Condi Clueless’ outrageous Israel suicide plan. Both praised her.
Like I said, there’s almost no difference in the choice we have in a month.

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22 Responses

The biggest threat to Israel is not Sarah Palin who is a sincere friend adn whose instincts are good, the biggest threat is an inbred moron named Ehud Olmerde who needs to be tried for treason and hanged for the dirt bag traitor he is. (I am serious about that.) Olmerde is even more to the Left on Israel than Obama is, in fact he makes Obama sound like Menachem Begin.

Ripper on October 3, 2008 at 9:32 pm

I’m not Jewish, nor fully understand the complexities of the middle East. But if common sense were my guide, I’d say the surrounding neighborhood, and drive by shooters want to kill me. I’d then would have to again use common sense, of either moving away, giving in and/or getting killed, or stand and fight.
If Israel is to survive, they’re going to have to not give up an inch of territory, including Jerusalem, meet force with double force, arm themselves to the teeth, and just play smash mouth politics. The United States should just fund Israel as any other ally. However, the United States has to get their head out of negotiating Israel’s business, and stay the fuck out of Middle East politics.

Jackson Pearson on October 3, 2008 at 10:10 pm

I agree completely about the treachery of the ‘peace process’ and two-state solution. In all fairness to Palin though, these two concepts are institutionalized in American politics; I am not aware of any national political figure who disputes them — maybe there are one or two obscure people in the House that I’m unaware of. Very few major conservative talk-show hosts are critical of the peace process.
Biden is certainly being disingenuous; with Palen, I’m not so sure. However, if she accepts these idea, she’s no worse than anyone else. All of them fall in behind Rice & the rest of them.
It looks to me like she already in effect has conceded the election to Obama, and is thinking ahead to 2012, where she likely would be the Republican nominee. Her comments re McCain giving up in Michigan lead me to believe this — announcing to the whole world that she disagrees & didn’t know about it. They can’t throw her off the ticket anymore after the debate, & she may have figured she has nothing to lose & everything to gain by creating a little distance between herself & McCain. It will be interesting to see how she relates to the Mideast in the next four years, when she will probably be the leading contender for the 2012 Republican nomination. I don’t think it’s impossible she may listen at some point to people like Pastor Hagee who is critical of the peace process.
Although I am certainly aware and appreciative if Evangelical Christian support to Israel, I have always felt that it is essential for Jewish people, U.S. and Israeli Jews in particular to lead the way in depending Israel and denouncing appeasement schemes like the ‘peace process’ etc. I think it is asking a lot for Palin and others to be pacesetters in this area, given the dereliction of responsiblity by most American and Israeli Jews, Joe Lieberman in particular.
I also think McCain’s slip in the polls results from his support of the bailout, and with his actions of the last few days supporting it, he has lost the election. I was leaning towards voting for McCain in spite of his weaknesses, such as those cited by you, but after the bailout, I may as well vote for Bozo the Clown.

c f on October 3, 2008 at 10:14 pm

With so much at stake this election it’s hard to understand why anyone, that doesn’t want to have B.O. in the white house, would say so much negative things about a republican nominee for vice president. With all the good things that could be written about Palin, why soooo much negativity when there are bigger fish to fry. Like Biden being a rich fat cat hypocrit. Or all the dems involved in the financial mess, or the loans to unqualified people and middle easterners connected to B.O. How about Soros organizations contributions to the dem party and the media that ignores it and the hate that is preached toward Americans.
You are cute Debbie, but not as cute in a burka and with out your 2nd amendment. Now that McCains pulled out of Michigan it is up to conservatives to get up with a purpose.

samurai on October 3, 2008 at 10:33 pm

Politicians are always telling us how “we have Al-Qaida on the run” but they never mention Hezbollah. Hezbollah is arguably the most dangerous Arab terrorist group in the world. They demonstrated a “global reach” many years ago with their devestating attacks in Argentina.
I don’t understand why there’s not more attention on Hezbollah, but I thank you for YOUR effort.

There is NO Santa Claus on October 3, 2008 at 11:33 pm

Re: “Like I said, there’s almost no difference in the choice we have in a month.”
If that is true, Debbie, I pity you and hope you will steel yourself for the coming new Holocaust if Obama gets elected, except this time it will not only be millions of Israelis dying, but millions of Americans, too.
Your comment of “…there’s almost no difference in the choice we have in a month…” just helps digs another fresh set of graves.

Bender2 on October 3, 2008 at 11:45 pm

You are spot on here, Debbie. Thank G-d we have some realists who bring us back to reality, such as yourself, on this matter. Condi compares the plight of palestinians to blacks in the old south! hello?
Even the Israelis are drinking the 2-state “solution” Kool Aid with their politics. I think it will happen–here’s some biblical realism–based on the prophecies of Daniel and the other prophets–a 2 state solution will be made “guaranteeing Israel peace and safety” gag. Based on a 7 year deal made in hell, the Temple will be rebuilt and lots of things will happen.
It is unnerving as it is exciting–because this event of a covenant/treaty is the key to timing on the time of Jacob’s trouble which will be worse than the holocaust–yet ultimately result in Christ/Messiah’s returning to deliver his redeemed people–to establish his reign on the earth with him seated on David’s throne in Jerusalem–and He as the head of all nations. He will rule them with a rod of iron–and the knowledge of G-d will be abundant as the waters fill the ocean.
Between here and there…we have a lot to go through. For realists who know you can’t make peace with your enemy–sworn to your destruction, this part will be painful to watch.

BB on October 4, 2008 at 7:42 am

L’shana tova Debbie-
I have always believed in a two-state solution: Israel and USA. What RIGHT do we have to dictate to Israel? As for Palin, I admire her expensive glasses. I know they cost $700 but they are PERFECT for her face.

poetcomic1 on October 4, 2008 at 9:55 am

“Palin’s answer on how she supports a two-state solution in Israel and how she applauds Condoleezza Rice’s pressuring of Israel and apartheid housing policies for Jews in Israel, should tell you something.”
It tells me that she’s the bottom of the ticket and she has to give the Presidential candidate’s position on any given subject.
That’s just the way it is. But I don’t believe for one second that Obama would be a better friend to Israel than McCain.
Or that it is even close, as Obama is in bed with some vile ant-Semites.
Sorry Debbie, though I usually agree with your analysis. Rice has been the biggest catastrophe in the Bush administration. Unless the real Condi Rice is actually chained to a radiator in the State Department basement.
And to be honest, the leftist media is doing a bang-up job of attempting to destroy Sarah Palin without us conservatives adding to the fuel. Undeservedly, I might add.
[JB: YOU 1) DIDN’T READ WHAT I WROTE–THAT PALIN WAS ECHOING THE MCCAIN POSITION; AND 2) DON’T READ WHAT YOU, YOURSELF WRITE–YOU ADMIT THAT RICE IS HORRIBLE, YET YOU SAY YOU DISAGREE WITH ME THAT IT’S A PROBLEM THAT PALIN PRAISED RICE AND SAID SHE AND MCCAIN WILL MAKE PRESSURING ISRAEL THEIR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. PLEASE DO ME A FAVOR AND TAKE THIS TIP TO HEART: RIF–READING IS FUNDAMENTAL. SORRY, I DIDN’T GET THE “MUST WORSHIP EMPTY SKIRTSUIT” MEMO. DESPITE ALL HER CLUELESSNESS ON THE MOST IMPORTANT FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC POLICY ISSUES OF CONCERN TO CONSERVATIVES, YOU CONTINUE TO INSIST SHE’S A CONSERVATIVE. DS]

Jack Bauer on October 4, 2008 at 10:07 am

Given the debate rules, I think it is Biden who should be chastised rather than Palin here. Biden truly had a Gerold Ford moment, and instead of pouncing on it, it is ignored both by McCain and the nedia.

Pat on October 4, 2008 at 12:27 pm

Really good commentary Debbie. Absolutely right on. Our political elitists pay enormous lip service to their love of Israel in order to hang on to their share of the jewish vote and $$$’s. In reality they are a treacherous collection of deceitful bastards (in Condi’s case…deceitful bitch) who attempt to placate the global jihad by piecemeal handover of israeli territory.
I’m surprised and dissappointed you haven’t made greater referance to the identical US policy of treachery and deceit in the Balkans where the “sellout” to global jihad is even further advanced than in the mideast. US policy, which has been “seemless” at least from Bush 1, has been to use mujahadeen proxies to “ethnically cleanse” Orthodox Christian Serbs and jews by the 100’s of thousands from Bosnia and Kosovo and to give their traditional lands and homes to transplanted islamic vermin…pimps, thieves, psychopathic killers and traffickers in kidnapped young women, human body parts and drugs.
Important to note: McCain has been in the tank (on the payroll)for the Kosovo jihad for about the past 20 years along with other republican “sacred cows”: senator(s) Dole, congressman Rohrbacher to mention a few plus many state dept “diplomats and foreign service types.
The fate of Christians and Jews in the Balkans will eventually be the fate of Israel if America, including her gullible liberal jews do not soon awaken.
In defense of Governor Palin, she represents the only freaking republican candidate to reach the national level since Reagan that actually represents mainstream America. Until a few weeks ago, she has been seriously occupied otherwise in her home state of Alaska and not in the middle of mideastern affairs. I suspect and hope she is a lady of extremely great wisdom and good will. For her VP debate, she obviously had to be prepped, rehearsed, coached on a “crash” basis…especially with regard to some of these foreign policy issues that she has not been directly involved in. Her coaches are/were McCain campaign advisors and staffers….all establishment stooges like McCain himself. In fact, it’s my understanding one of the principal coaches is/was Randy Scheunemann, McCain advisor and highly paid lobbyist (traitor) for the Georgian government:
[FROM DEBBIE: I’VE REMOVED THE LINK POSTED HERE B/C IT GOES TO AN ANTI-SEMITIC, TRUTHER WEBSITE. DS]
Scheunemann’s task for Shaakassvilli is to get US military forces engaged in war with Russia on the side of Georgia under the guise of humanitarian intervention…al la Bosnia-Herzgovenia and Kosovo.
Undoubtedly Gov Palin is being fed a lot of McCain establishment “crap” as foreign policy prep material. If elected, she will have to parrot much of this “crap” in support of administration policy. Since conservative America has been disenfranchised for two decades now in terms of being unable to nominate/elect one of our own to the presidency, Gov Palin is our best hope of eventually taking our country back.
It is my hope that she will become aware of the deceit and treachery imbedded in US policy and make every effort to correct it. Suggestion: Let’s cut her some slack.

joesixpack31 on October 4, 2008 at 3:27 pm

Joe Biden has been in the tank with Croatian ustasha (nazi’s) and albanian muslims (nazi’s) for around 20 years. Anyone seriously interested in the root causes of conflict in the Balkans and Mid-East really need look no further than our neanderthal, deceitful, treacherous “beltway bandits” on capitol hill and state department. Many fit the criteria of “war criminal”
http://byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2008/08/biden_caught_ustasha_virus.html#comments
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/borojevic/075.shtml
http://byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2008/08/obama_picks_prime_serbhater.html#comments

joesixpack31 on October 4, 2008 at 4:07 pm

Sort of related – I substitute taught the other day (Friday) on my day off (to make extra money) and I was in a school (elementary school) in uber liberal Greenwich Village, baby sitting 5th graders (10 year olds). I could see how they were already brainwashed by their parents and left wing environment into accepting the faith of the Obamessiah. They (all the kids except two were Caucasian by the way) have this thing every Friday where they state what it is they appreciate (sort of like an “I appreciate, blah, blah, blah) and 5 of the kids said they appreciate Obama! It sort of reminded me of the kids in Red China who had to pronounce their devotion towards Chairman Mao (and his cult of personality). Soon it will be like StalinĂ­s time where kids will be forced to denounce their parents for bourgeois attitudes and lack of Obama fervor!

Ripper on October 4, 2008 at 6:52 pm

Debbie, no ticket that openly opposes the two-state solution would be palatable here, and probably would lose even in Israel. But unlike Obama, McCain and Palin haven’t spent the last 20 years canoodling with Arabs and anti-Semites. I expect that Obama will drift back to his anti-Israel roots if he wins. How this affects Israel is hard to say, but it’s easy to say that JM and SP (supported by the Chabad Rabbi of Alaska) are more intuitively pro-Israeli than Obama.

Anonymous1 on October 4, 2008 at 8:32 pm

Well the fact that Chabad Rabbi supported her doesn’t mean much sorry to say. AFA which is a Christian group that fights for moral issues seems to have no problems with her either. I understand why men are leaving churches and synogagues. 61% who attend churches are female. And Orthodox Judaism is as bad in this regard.
Anyway, I don’t want to get too off topic but even in this debate Palin did towards the end had another situation where she just started going off which I can’t understand how someone in their 40’s who has 5 children can do this ever where she just says almost anything. This was an interesting article about her.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palindebate1-2008oct01,0,113995.story?page=2
But anyway I don’t see what is religious about this role reversal and her open support of feminism and being unaware of problems men have and supporting title IX (and that her husband has to be the mother for her to take all this time) she has and her ruthlessness towards other in the real world. On top of that the hatred that people have felt Palin was not a good selection is really horrible. People have received letter that they should have been aborted and other vicious remarks to people who don’t like Palin and this behavior should raise red flags as well that this kind of behavior goes on.

adam6275 on October 4, 2008 at 9:32 pm

Check this out, if Obama and McCain end up in an electoral tie. Palin would be the VP of Obama. The current House would choose Obama and the current Senate would pick Palin, with Cheney being the deciding vote. Now it would the perfect match of “Empty Suit” matched with “Empty Dress”.
http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/sep/23/an-electoral-college-doomsday/
Talk about the invisible man meeting the invisible woman. A perfect marriage. Debbie, you talk about America being dumbed down, now wouldnt this be ironic justice? Too bad this reality would be too scary to contemplate.

californiascreaming on October 5, 2008 at 12:12 pm

I heard what Palin stated supporting Rice. I don’t believe it for at least two reasons:
1) I think Palin’s remarks about the Middle East reflect more a fear of having to answer follow up questions if she gave an answer contrary to current administration policy. I think the campaign realizes she was not going to change any votes because of what she said about Israel unless she looked silly because she could not answer the follow up questions in which case she might lose votes.
2) I know for a fact the Mcain campaign has been quietly signalling pro Israel groups he will not pressure Israel. They might be lying, but I believe McCain himself is too honest to permit this to take place if it was not the truth.
Has the McCain campaign put out any statements regarding Israel and the “peace process”? I just searched (not exhaustive, I did not have time) and I could not find anything at all on the Middle East other than Iraq. I did a search for “Israel” and was presented with several articles, but they did not look like official statements and I did not have time to look at many of them.

I_am_me on October 6, 2008 at 12:37 am

McCain honest? Like campaigning that he is the candiate against pork & then helping to pass the bailout bill, the pork barrel of the century?
The ‘peace process’ is the current institutional wisdom. When something is institutionalized, a candidate has to be assumed to be for it, uless they clearly indicate they are against it, and even then, they can’t be trusted. All I am saying is that if anyone were to turn out to be against it, it would be Palin, but there is absolutely no indication that she is against the ‘peace process’ at this time.
I believe that when McCain was in Israel, he associated himself with the ‘peace process’ as well; but silenece indicates assent, as well. As the post says, the candidates’ promises not to pressure israel are meaningless if they don’t come out against the present administration’s pressuring of Israel.

c f on October 6, 2008 at 12:52 am

Is it wise to talk bad about taking away homes to start a nation. Is that NOT how Israel was formed to begin with? The taking of land that belonged to another nation because of some ancient claim on it?
My other problem is that both the Jews and the Arabs claim the other is wrong and whenever something is done to negotiate a settlement some zealot tries to destroy it claiming it gives too much either way. There is no perfect solution when you have 2 ideologies that hate each other. I think the saddest part is that all of this killing and hate is over the way groups of peoples worship the SAME GOD!!! This is not Paganism versus a Singular God, this is a war of protocol and beliefs in the same Deity. This includes Christianity who are just as guilty killing or dying because they believe Jesus Christ was the son of God while the Jews and Muslims think otherwise.
You people do realize that there was nowhere near this much killing when Paganism ruled the land. Yet Pagans are vilified by all three for being evil. IF and I am Serious about this If you REALLY, REALLY, want to end the violence and killing then ALL “ORGANIZED” religions should be banned. Let people go back to worshiping what they want and how they want. Will it be a perfect world then? No! but anything has got to be better than this.

mfee01 on October 6, 2008 at 7:21 am

Isn’t Condi a Bush appointee. So, Isn’t Condi parrotting Bush? In that respect, isn’t Bush the architect of amputating Israel? Then again, what can be expected from a Saudi puppet?

Alert on October 6, 2008 at 7:27 am

I am appalled at your negative response to Sarah Palin. She’s the only conservative in the race and here you are criticising her. For gosh sake, she’s been running a state for the past two years and I’m sure that took up just a little of her time, Debbie. Now if you want to vote for the smartest person in the race, be sure to vote Obama. Just remember, Hitler was a very smart guy too. I’m looking for someone with the same core beliefs that I have and Ronnie Reagan did pretty darned well, even as stupid as he was.

c crow on October 6, 2008 at 8:09 am

MFee01 is talking like an anti-Semite. Perhaps just poorly informed. Jews – traditionally – do not dissuade other faiths from their worship or beliefs – nor is hatred part of traditional Judaism. Whoever told you that Jews – in general -hate just like radical Muslims hate has a bridge to sell you (and a Democrat candidate for you too). Please save your “relativism” for a different site. There is a world of difference between Jewish/Israeli ideologies (Jews allow disagreement & discussion among themselves so there are actually variations) and radical Islam’s desire to conquer & end other faiths & cultures.

crazycatkids on October 6, 2008 at 8:49 am

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