August 14, 2012, - 1:47 pm

Helen Gurley Brown’s Legacy of Baby Mamas, Broken Families, STDs & Haggard Women Failing To Do It All

By Debbie Schlussel

I’m not sure why everyone is hailing Helen Gurley Brown, who died yesterday at 90, as someone to remember. She’s actually someone to forget. Sadly, the havoc she wrought on American society–and the breakdown of it that she caused–is everlasting and beyond repair. As author of “Sex and the Single Girl” and editor of “Cosmopolitan,” she did more to take down America and ruin American lives than Osama Bin Laden and any other Islamic terrorist could ever do. Her everlasting contribution to fashion is that she made it eternally fashionable and “glamorous” to be a skank. Yes, thanks to her, skankiness is now a timeless classic in America. Congrats, Helen.

Helen Gurley Brown: Her Damage To America is Far Worse, Longer Lasting Than Bin Laden Could Ever Dream Of

Before she took the reins at Cosmopolitan, it had been a respected general interest magazine, around since the 1800s and the place for great writers to be seen. Under her tenure, it became a women’s magazine instructing women on how to give oral sex to the boss in 30 ways before 10:00 a.m. while answering his phone. Helen Gurley Brown’s legacy is sexually transmitted diseases, broken marriages, generations of children born to single mothers who will never have a father and will become sores on America. She told women they could do it all, have a career, sleep around, and, ultimately, like her have a career and be married. But she never had children. And for married women who do have children (let alone single mothers), you cannot do it all. Instead, they are tired, haggard, and constantly whining about having to do it all. But, because of the revolution she led with others, the economy adjusted and it’s now not a question of whether women “can” have a career. Now, they simply cannot afford not to. And someone is shortchanged, usually the kids, the husband (if there even is one in the Helen Gurley Brown-created world), the family, and/or American society.

Gurley Brown famously said, “Good girls go to heaven. Bad girls go everywhere.” Actually, they go to the abortion clinic. Or, today, they have a reality TV show on MTV with their future loser kid or go on public assistance while they watch daytime talk shows and start an endless cycle of sad burdens on society. Today, because of influences like Helen Gurley Brown, over 42% of kids are born out of wedlock, and researchers say that in America, as nowhere else with this problem, there is rarely a father figure in those kids’ lives. That is Brown’s contribution to America: women sleeping around serially, forced to work to make ends meet, kids born who never had a father–and so they never knew how to act like a man or (if they are women) how to be treated like one. The slacker kids who live with their parents at age 35 are the natural progression of the sexual revolution and breakdown of marriage and family she led. AIDS, Chlamydia, Herpes . . . American didn’t have those in spades before Helen Gurley Brown told women to pretend they were rabbits. Girls aspiring to Playboy and other porn stardom–none of that would be possible without Helen Gurley Brown making it acceptable. Hey, they are career girls, too. Right? So is Monica Lewinsky under Bill Clinton’s Oval Office desk–a classic example of “Sex and the Single Girl.” Boys will be boys, but Helen Gurley Brown told American women to act like the boys, and not in a good way. And, in part because of her, now the boys are the women.

But, in addition to her legacy of tearing American down in a culture war she lost for us, Helen Gurley Brown was, above all, a fraud. She did not remain true to the “Sex and the Single Girl” ethos she pimped. Instead, she married. And she wasn’t the feminist she urged American women to be. She was fabulously wealthy, not because of her time at Cosmo, but because she married very wealthy, successful movie producer David Brown. And, contrary to the advice she gave other women, Brown told the San Francisco Chronicle that she made a deal with her husband: she would work from home. And “The tradeoff is that he is taken care of . . . . He is the king.”

But because of the sexual revolution she helped champion, few husbands are king anymore and few wives have the luxury of working from home. Instead, they have to work at work and then at home and perhaps deal with a neglected kid who’s contemplating early sex and drugs or worse, or is just being babysat by sexting and Facebook and re-runs of “Keeping Up with the Kardashians” and “Teen Mom.” That’s the America Helen Gurley Brown left us. This feminist career stuff and wanton sex she championed–well, how’s that workin’ for ya?

We have a nation of oversexed dummies, underachievers, slackers, and criminals born to unwed mothers to answer that question.

Helen Gurley Brown’s cover articles about novel sexual positions didn’t exactly make America better. Just a whole lot sleazier and broken.

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58 Responses

I actually agree with you on this LOL! And I don’t agree with you on anything but you have a point. Seriously EVERY cover of Cosmo has “Sex games” “Sex tips” “How to have more sex..” like…eww, stop making it seem as though casual sex is acceptable, it’s not, it has consequences.

Oh btw, for all of you and your fans, I’d like to bring up the final medal count of the olympics, just you know, for your attention and as a proud Iranian 😀

Iran: 12 OLYMPIC MEDALS woot woot
Israel: ZERO

Aly Raisman, jewish gymnast: 3
Aliya Mustafina, muslim gymnast: 4, the most out of any gymnast (men or women) at the 2012 olympic games.

So there you go, for all of your fans and for you who think muslims are lazy and unsuccessful

Sara Kindergarten on August 14, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    Sara – Are you proud of Iran’s prowess in murdering protesters, homosexuals and other anti-socials?

    David on August 14, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Whatever Sara. I did not watch a minute of those games.

    Worry01 on August 14, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Imagine a world without Islam!

    skzion on August 14, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    I don’t know the name for the kind of logic which says that, achievement in sports by a few Moslems, successfully contradicts slovenliness and social lack in the many of them—maybe, . . . tortious, . . . tortious logic, . . . or twisted?

    PhillipGaley on August 15, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Sorry Sara but Aliya is not a muslim..she’s Russian Orthodox (even though she’s a Tatar) and she often wears a cross too. Here she is in a Russian church before the Olympics:

    wasabipeas on August 15, 2012 at 12:53 pm

Would the Iranians have won those gold medals if they had competed directly with Israelis or with Aly Raisman?

I think not! They got their gold medals as a result of apartheid affirmation action at the Sharia Olympics – where they did not have to compete with a single Jew.

Their medals were fraudulently obtained and with all due to respect to Aly Raisman’s remarks, last, I have to put in a good word for her cuz she worked hard to win hers in the competitive spirit.

Something Muslim athletes will never be able to do vis a vis Jews.

Iran’s medal count is essentially meaningless – who cares? Raisman is being welcomed in Israel because she is a good athlete not just a Jew.

So don’t get off with your sickening drivel on here Iranian or Muslim athletes got theirs by meritorious achievement. They are frauds as is the Olympic movement in which they participate since it allows them not to have to compete with Israelis and Jews.

NormanF on August 14, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Norman, it is just another mark against Islam. They are as ungracious in victory as defeat. A cankered soul oozes bile no matter what the circumstance. It engages in self-pity when it fails, and then when it actually achieves something it gloats like a shoplifter after a haul.

    Worry01 on August 14, 2012 at 2:25 pm

      Worry, yup.

      My point was the Olympics is another instance of special treatment for Muslims – both to pander to their Jew-hatred and to “help” them along cuz they can’t play fair and win.

      Like I said, Raisman’s remarks or lack of them aside, she played by the rules and won fair through hard work. Jews can play on a level playing field.

      Muslims can’t. The day one ever plays against a Jewish athlete under the same rules he plays and beats the Jew, then their achievement will truly count for something.

      Until then they are essentially Olympic affirmative action babies – they got to where they are cuz the rules were changed in their favor and they didn’t have to compete head to head with the world’s best athletes, including Israelis and Jews.

      Muslims having Olympic medals – gold or any other color because of this circumstance is nothing to write home about or to take pride in. They simply weren’t legitimately acquired the way everyone else earned theirs.

      Again, its all a fraud and every one knows it.

      NormanF on August 14, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    For the record to David, Skzion, Worry and NormanF, NOT all Iranian folks are religious nutjobs (samething can be said for regular arab individuals, most of them aren’t religious whackos and anti-semitic, etc.) and not all of them hate Israel and jewish people. The problem with Iran as well know is their damn “government”, NOT the Iranian people themselves, most Iranians/Persians hate their government and want to see freedom exists in their country again (they gotta get the right folks to lead that country, NOT politicans who has islamic-terrorists ties), so pay no mind to Sara, she only represents herself!

    “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

    Sean R. on August 14, 2012 at 7:23 pm

      Sorry, Sean R., but Iranians are Muslims. Their major problem is their “religion,” not their government. They are probably a bit less anti-Semitic on average than Arab Muslims because Iranian culture is more than just Islam. But don’t fool you, and don’t by the Iran apologists.

      skzion on August 14, 2012 at 7:48 pm

      Kinda like our country.
      Not all American folks are religious nutjobs, and not all of them hate Iran and Iranian people.

      Davidus Romanus on August 15, 2012 at 10:12 am

Really appreciate your ability to verbalize this issue and expose the utter hypocrisy of people who have promoted the anti-family agenda. As you point out so well this isn’t just about moralizing. It’s about the structure and survival of society. Generations of children who grow up with out fathers and men who behave like dogs produce a society that becomes violent, obsessed with immediate gratification and rotten to the core. No society can last long when it sinks to that level.

Davy Crockitt on August 14, 2012 at 2:27 pm

Speaking of the article, Debbie is spot on.

Feminists who aren’t lesbians – as most of them are, are an exceedingly rare lot. If you don’t care about and respect men, then you don’t care about and respect women.

Helen Gurley Brown was the wrong social trailblazer for America. Her legacy is nothing to celebrate and its the perfect recruitment for Al Qaeda and Islamic terrorists about American decadence.

America needed Helen Gurley Brown and her ruinous advice like it needed enemies.

Whatta country we have today, thanks to her! HGB – RIH!

NormanF on August 14, 2012 at 2:28 pm

@Sara – you forgot to list the dozens of other countries with zero medals. Any particular reason other than blind hatred?


Good riddance to HGB.

Road Warrior on August 14, 2012 at 2:32 pm

Helen Gurley Brown validated behavior that had previously been the province of true sluts and high school dropouts. Behavior that would have led in the past to firing, divorce, or even jail time became socially acceptable. Also, the advent of the Working woman allowed employers to underpay their male employees in the expectation that the wife almost certainly worked. What was initially a gain for women became a set of chains. “She” had to work now, whether she wanted to or not. On top of that childcare went from being something grandmothers and maiden aunts did to a regular business. Depending upon the level of care, a woman(excluding the male’s income)might see much of her paycheck disappear simply because of her need to have strangers watch her preschool children. If the woman was a single parent, the situation would become worse. Betty Friedan spoke of choice, but there are no choices here. It is a grinding necessity. Welcome to the nineteenth century.

Worry01 on August 14, 2012 at 2:45 pm


    What “behavior” are you referring to that would have led to jail,and do you think the people who did that “behavior” should go to jail?

    In a free market,supply and demand for workers determines compensation, not some so-called “expectation” of a man’s wife working. Probably the biggest factor in increasing the “supply” of workers is the runaway immigration (illegal and legal) into the US.

    Many feminists hated HGB for encouraging women to pursue men.

    Mysogyny is alive and well even now, and not all mysogynists are male.

    Usually the term “slut” is directed at a woman who they believe is getting more and/or better sex than they are, and the name caller is jealous.

    Scott on August 14, 2012 at 10:20 pm

      “In a free market,supply and demand for workers determines compensation, not some so-called “expectation” of a man’s wife working. Probably the biggest factor in increasing the “supply” of workers is the runaway immigration (illegal and legal) into the US.”

      Scotty, why did a far freer market ordain this in 1910, 1930, or even 1950? Also, were market forces behind segregation in the South? You are as simple minded as any Marxist, since they are also believe in Economic Determinism,

      As for jail time, do I really need to outline it all for you? Parental abandonment of child is one that is pretty obvious. A parent who either walked away from their responsibilities or failed to provide adequate care that could lead to jail time back then. This offense might still be nominally on the books, but it is rarely enforced now.

      Or, how about oral sex as a way a way for women to get ahead at work? Is that a market force you would like to unleash?

      Worry01 on August 15, 2012 at 12:08 am


        “Ordain” what? I said supply and demand is the main factor to determine wages. That’s a fact. It’s not determinism. A large pool of available workers has a lowering effect on wages, and a worker shortage has an rising effect on wages.

        In case you haven’t figured it out,I’m a strong supporter of the free market.

        Segregation was based on hate, but economics was impacted by it. Like any other policy that results in economic protectionism, it had a detrimental effect on the Southern economy.

        Child neglect and abandonment/child abuse is certainly not new, and if anything, is taken more seriously now than years ago.It’s by no means “socially acceptable” today.

        Scott on August 15, 2012 at 1:03 am

      Scott, is it really better sex if one is being used and not loved and respected? C’mon. You sound like a randy teen tryin’ to get his mojo working when you say crap like that.

      Do you think rock stars and famous freaks remember the chicks they use to get off? Their names and who they are as people? And although exciting at the time do you think the women used once and forgotten *really* feel valuable being used to get off and as an easy lay? If you think so you don’t know a female mind. Many women love “Pretty Women” and “Dirty Dancing” (my most hated films…even thou’ I have never seen them) for a reason. The female mind is a silly, romantic thing if we like it or not.

      And most people don’t like being used in NON-sexual relationships…nevermind a intimate sexual one. Wake up, your gas huffing again.

      Skunky on August 15, 2012 at 1:57 am

        Helen Gurley Brown
        she looks like a kiddie molester in that pic
        nothin’ sexy ’bout a 99 yr old skank

        lil' Napoleon on August 16, 2012 at 10:06 pm

I have some questions for Sara, and for any other Muslim or Muslim sympathizer that reads this. Have you ever actually thought about why you hate Israel? I just pulled up a map of the middle east, and I quickly noticed that Israel and Iran do not even have any common borders, they are separated by two or three countries. You have put yourselves in poverty and in danger of war and even judgement of God to go stick your nose in other people’s business and things that do not effect you in any way. Islam must make people stupid, because I am sure the ancient Persians, who were a great people, would think you are retarded. Minus the mental retardation which is Islam, Iran/Persia could be one of the greatest, most prosperous nations on earth, and be competing on equal terms with the superpowers, instead of being on the bottom of the trash heap.
I question whether or not you are even a good Muslim. You care about the Olympics, which was founded in ancient Greece to honor demons (The “gods”) and to this day is steeped in pagan, occult, masonic and illuminati symbolism? What would your Muhammad and Allah think of that? Of course, we all know that if Muhammad and his barbarian followers were in the present, they would just want to burn London to the ground and rape all the kids.

RT on August 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm


    Excellent point – Jews and Israelis validate pre-Christian paganism by attending the Olympics. I mean its steeped in polytheistic Greek mythology and the worship of the body in the form of deified human gods, a notion traditionally abhorrent to Jews.

    Had Matthias Maccabee been alive today, he would have taken the sword to Jewish athletes present there and burned down the stadium.

    As for Muslims participating in the events, they are hypocrites. But since the Olympics does not celebrate Jewish ideals, what the heck are Jews and Israelis doing there in the first place? Jews have traditionally looked down on sports for a good reason.

    Revering G-d is far more important than celebrating the glories of the human bodies and the notion man – like the ancient Greek gods – is the center of all things. The latter isn’t a Jewish value and will never be.

    NormanF on August 14, 2012 at 3:07 pm

      Norman, you say, “Had Matthias Maccabee been alive today, he would have taken the sword to Jewish athletes present there and burned down the stadium.” Well, I think he’d start by burning down … Shades Yo$ef’s house. Then he’d go after the Lithuanian moneybags Elya$hiv. Hey wait! I just learned that the latter finally croaked!

      The Jews back then valued combat. While the pagan history of the Olympics is obvious enough, it’s not clear to me that a Jew there today is idolatrous. Now, the idea of the Jews as one of the nations competing is a different matter.

      I’d still say that one thing Jews today need is to be physically dangerous, so I’m not going to dump on the Olympics.

      skzion on August 14, 2012 at 4:16 pm


        Nothing wrong with physical fitness.

        The point is the Greeks and the Jews saw things very differently.

        The Jews won and that’s how Christianity and later – Islam – came into the world.

        If the outcome had been different, we’d all be pagans today.

        NormanF on August 14, 2012 at 4:27 pm

          “The Jews won and that’s how Christianity and later – Islam – came into the world. If the outcome had been different, we’d all be pagans today.”

          The Jews won? In fact, the Romans won, and the Jews have been slaughtered and/or subjugated since that time, and I’ve got to say this points to some defects in how we Jews have carried on. Yes, without Judaism, it’s likely that the West would be pagan. But we should grant that Christianity was responsible for the spread of monotheism.

          “The point is the Greeks and the Jews saw things very differently.”

          Of course I agree. But while the West is not pagan, thanks (mostly indirectly) to Jews, the West couldn’t exist as we know it without Greece, and it’s silly to undervalue that. The Renaissance, it is worth noting, was not a Jewish revival, and quite obviously not a Christian revival either. Further, Christianity wouldn’t be what it is without Greece (Aristotle in particular).

          “Nothing wrong with physical fitness.”

          Yes, but the issue is combat, however ritualized, and not fitness. I think it’s great that Jews become known for it. I’m not sure why this meme of Real-Jews-don’t-do-Olympics has taken off in some parts. It just seems a bit, I dunno, prissy and sanctimonious. Some rituals retain their original meanings. Olympic rituals don’t retain a Greek meaning. The Olympics are just a nationality based professional sporting event. It’s not like I’m lauding Jews buying a Christmas tree and calling it a Chanukah bush!

          More generally–and I apologize for rambling a bit–I am responding to what you seem to be implying: that what we see in Orthodox circles today is what being a Jew is all about. You look down at the Olympics but not at Israel’s paid and paid-for rabbis. I’m sorry, but I think that Jewish consciousness requires a serious reformation. I don’t know what it will look like, but opposing the Olympics will be the least of it.

          skzion on August 14, 2012 at 7:45 pm

      Excellent post, Norman, Thanks.

      Italkit on August 14, 2012 at 5:01 pm


Women work because in this Obamaconomy, one paycheck is not enough to keep a roof over one’s head, pay the bills, raise children and feed the family and for a couple to enjoy life’s small pleasures.

Feminism took away women’s freedom to be homemakers and mothers. It didn’t give women true freedom of choice alongside men.

The larger point is when women are forced to do the same things men do, women will never be looked upon upon by people as anything other, as Plato famously wrote, an inferior kind of man.

Again, much of our present day society’s recognition is essentially a form of gender affirmative action. Women get to where they are cuz of their appearance and internal plumbing not because they legitimately earned it.

Feminism’s unintended “achievement” has been to lower the dignity and worth of women in the eyes of men and society and to call in question legitimate achievements they have attained.

And for that, we owe mucho thanks (in truth really nothing) to the late and unlamented Helen Gurley Brown.

NormanF on August 14, 2012 at 2:57 pm

Bravo Debs!

LadinoTurk on August 14, 2012 at 3:07 pm

Brilliant article Debbie. I had no idea who Mrs Brown was when I heard a news item on her passing. So I did some research and was completely appalled at what I found, the synopsis for Sex and the Single Girl was completely anathema to the conservative Christian upbringing that I was raised in. From the brief bit of research I did on Mrs Brown, I would say that you are absolutely spot on in your analysis Debbie. Kudos! Keep up the good work.

Disgusted with Media on August 14, 2012 at 3:09 pm

Simply watch “Jerseylicious or Mobwives of just about any city that airs them to gauge the animus of women.” Or, the dramatics of “The Housewives of…?” Yes, the dawn of the angry “chick” is upon us.

Now, tell me about how women behave- we all aware of men.
DS is right- at least she has the intestinal fortitude to level the playing field.

Patrick on August 14, 2012 at 3:36 pm

Well said Debbie. HGB media was the drug that promised unlimited pleasure and delivered unbelievable horror.

BTW in the Muslim-Jew competition.

Muslim Honor killings – unlimited

Jewish Honor Killings – Uh… zero.

Carry on.

Panhandle on August 14, 2012 at 3:44 pm


When women act like stripper pole skanks or drown their children, they can blame on PMS and the patriarchy.

Men have no such excuse for socially deviant behavior.

Debbie is right – men are the new women in that they behave as women used to behave. And if that’s a change its definitely a change for the better.

One of the unintended ironies of feminism has been to make men far better than they are.

NormanF on August 14, 2012 at 3:47 pm

@ Sara,

When Muslim Iranians and other Muslim athletes refused to compete against Israel athletes in the Olympics, they forfeited.

Israel WON, medal or not.

Bob on August 14, 2012 at 3:51 pm

Excellent treatise on that hag, Brown, and what she did.

May she roast in Hell for eternity.

DS_ROCKS! on August 14, 2012 at 4:17 pm

Columns like this are like Christmas to me. I so enjoy them because the filthy curtain gets ripped back and the proper way to be gets highlighted.

Even when I WAS a feminist I HATED Helen Gurley-Brown. I knew enough even as a teen she was NOT feminist and was part of the problem. She and her kind are disgusting.

And so is Vaginapolitan. There is almost NEVER anything of value in that rag (sometimes they will print a ‘true crime’ story that is actually worth reading but the skanky vaginaphiles who read the rag are too busy getting their mojo going to take time to read a sobering story).

Because of Helen Gurley Brown there are songs like “Crazy Bitch” by Buckcherry. It has a great beat but the lyrics make me blanche. Even profoundly unhandsome beanpoles like the screwy lead singer can benefit from the skanky gift of gross women like Helen Gurley Brown. All the single ladies give it up more than whores but once married, women all the sudden (when it is vital to a lovely marriage) don’t want to be lovey dovey with the man the chose. What an upside-down world.

Loved this column. It made my day!

Skunky on August 14, 2012 at 4:25 pm


    Since you’re anti-feminist, you should have liked HGB, because many feminists hated her.She promoted women going after men,which is abhorrent to many feminists. Anti-sex women on the right,and lefty feminists actually have something in common.

    What do you mean “give it up”? It takes 2 to tango,and as crazy as it may seem to you,maybe those “whores” have sex because they like it. Humans are sexual creatures.

    You haven’t looked at many of the polls out there. It’s the wives,NOT the husbands who are complaining about lack of sex in their marriage.

    Scott on August 14, 2012 at 10:36 pm

      Scott, you don’t get it. I hated HGB when I was a feminist for the same reason I hate her as an unfeminist. She sold skankery and I have NEVER been for skankery. The men get what they want but don’t respect the females and the females don’t respect themselves.

      I was wrong as a feminist to scapegoat men. I don’t do that anymore but just because I was a feminist doesn’t mean I like women whoring for free. Never have, never will.

      If the wives are complaining about the lack of sex it’s because they picked crappy men and/or have emasculated them. If one is gonna get married I hope one invests more smarts and thoughts than taking up with just any fool. Not even animals do that.

      I don’t mind if women like sex…just keep it private and between you and your husband. Stop acting like it’s cool for women to be skanks. It’s not. Oh,, and males still go to hookers. Not many un-sexed wives go to male hookers. Fail.

      I was checking out some sites for new movies and I came across a site where some disgusting female (regarding an actor) had pictures and all this nasty crap of “I wanna do pornographic things to so-and-so’s (genitals).” “So and so’s genitals should get to know mine”. “I wanna blow so and so”. Niiiiiiiice! It was disgusting, undignified and done by a skanky female without propriety or class . It made me sick.

      If a man did that to a female they would be looked at as a honkin’ perv sex pervert.

      Women have gone below the gutter. Thanks to feminists and frauds like HGB. Stop thinking feminism is something to defend.

      Skunky on August 14, 2012 at 11:09 pm


        You’re not getting my points.What is “skankery” anyway?

        As I said in my previous post, it takes 2 to tango, so unless the sex was for some reason other than the sex itself, BOTH the man and woman wanted and got the same thing.

        Any “lack of respect” is the old misogyny-based double standard of men being allowed to have all the sex they want, but women who even hint they’d like the same thing are scorned – probably as much by jealous women as by men.

        “Whoring for free”?It ain’t free if the woman gets what she wants, whether it’s the sex itself or something else.

        Isn’t it nice of you that you don’t mind women liking sex – of course only under your pre-approved conditions (marriage)

        Women’s sexuality isn’t about “cool”, it’s about human nature.People like having sex.

        I think you can figure out the biological reasons why men don’t make good prostitutes if intercourse is the goal of the female customer.

        Plenty of wives cheat even though there are very few male prostitutes.They manage to find men to screw around with.

        The “disgusting” comments made by those women on that website are heterosexual women expressing their sexual fantasies about men who turn them on. Big deal.

        For the longest time men have been successful at keeping women at each other’s throats with jealousy over sex and using terms such as slut,whore,tramp,skank,etc.

        Your comments are similar to those I heard during an argument between 2 women co-workers. The elderly woman was trashing some girl she knows as being a “tramp” and she was saying all the double-standard BS you’re saying here. The other woman,middle aged, shot down all her cliche BS and the elderly woman couldn’t refute her points. It was an education for me as well, because I used to buy into that double standard BS.

        Scott on August 15, 2012 at 1:59 am

          Scott, you’re not educated on this. You’re pimping crap. You won’t even understand the biological MENTAL and EMOTIONAL differences between men and women. That’s the first dead giveaway.

          And those sleeze-grinders with their low-class “sexual fantasies” made cringingly public are disturbed. And they sully the name and image of a public figure (when unwarranted) and good people feel badly reading such filth because it’s dehumanizing and objectifying a person…male or female.

          You don’t get it but that’s ok. I’ll be here to point out your argument flaws.

          Skunky on August 15, 2012 at 9:07 am

        “The men get what they want but don’t respect the females”

        I might not be into this feminist thing but no, just no, that is some serious misogynistic horseshit mentality fitting for a pack of obnoxious, sleazy muzzie arab swines.
        Finding such atitude disgusting is not “ignorance”, it is right.

        Just as I´ll find disgusting anyone, regardless of gender, discussing such topics in such terms over the internets like you mentionned, as well as Madame Helen Gurley Brown herself, in addition of being slightly creepy with her Josef Fritzl smile.

        Jaws on August 30, 2012 at 11:31 am

          as well as Madame Helen Gurley Brown herself, in addition to being slightly creepy with her Josef Fritzl smile.

          Jaws on August 30, 2012 at 11:37 am

Debbie is absolutely correct that Helen Gurley Brown is being improperly lauded as a “liberator” of women on the news of her recent death. And, undoubtedly, the media will be referring to Hugh Hefner as a “liberator” of men, when his time comes to be buried next to Marilyn Monroe’s remains in Westwood Village Memorial Park Cemetery in Los Angeles. (Hefner bought the “shelf space” there many years ago.)

But that obviously hasn’t stopped the media from fawning over HGB and her “legacy.” The media seems to have adopted the myth that she herself created. In her own words: “I would want my legacy to be, ‘She created something that helped people.’ My reader, I always felt, was someone who needed to come into her own.”

Isn’t it so nice when people want to help other people?

That’s the liberal’s alibi, but their actions and the results tell the real story. And that’s not something they want to talk about.

I believe that Sigmund Freud was correct in his conclusion that how people in a society deal with their sexual impulses and instincts shapes the nature of the civilization. While the Brown-Hefner ideology of giving those impulses and instincts greater “freedom of expression” may seem to make people feel that they are “coming into their own,” there is a price to be paid for it–a severe one–and not just by the individual, but the society at large. As Milton Friedman said, “There is no free lunch.” And this is just another variation of that axiom.

Here is what Freud had to say about sexuality and repression: “[C]ivilization is obeying the laws of economic necessity, since a large amount of the psychical energy which it uses for its own purposes has to be withdrawn from sexuality.” Civilization and its Discontents (1930).

In lay terms, this means that if we want to have a civilization that is truly “civilized,” then some of our sexual impulses and instincts are going to have to curbed, and, yes, even repressed. And, of course, there’s a price to paid for that too–that’s the “discontent” side of the equation. But in the long run, truly achieving the Maslovian hierarcy of needs (i.e., physiological, safety, love/belonging, esteem, and self-actualization) depends upon curbing certain impulses and instincts. (From Hierarcy of Needs, by Abraham Maslow.)

Ralph Adamo on August 14, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Ralph, as Jim Morrison stated, “No one here gets out alive”. These days I think of that statement to sum up how in the modern world people are ALWAYS trying to mitigate consequences. There is ALWAYS a price to pay. Adults and smart peeps accept that and plan accordingly. Liberals and hedonists try to game the system and think they can beat the house when you can’t beat the house when you engage in certain behaviours.

    A smart person understands that consequences are a sanction that can be avoided if one makes judicial decisions. Integrity clears it up even more.

    And no one said that doing the right thing is always fun and games. It’s not and shouldn’t be. We are edified by the struggle. The pain of doing the right thing is the sobering truth more people must acknowledge and accept. The payback comes in the end and not in the here-and-now.

    And perspective is everything. If one picks a great person to marry and treats that person as a loving couple SHOULD there would be no need to have to live in a repressed way. It will all be private, fun, under the covenant of marriage and civilized in it’s own private way.

    Skunky on August 14, 2012 at 5:11 pm

@Skunky, yes, good points about a loving couple having “no need to live in a repressed way.” Of course, I wasn’t talking about complete repression or even abstinence. Rather, I was talking about “sexual liberation” being used as a mask for irresponsible gratification; sexual gratification at all costs and under any circumstances; and the failure to recognize that some lines should not be crossed.

Ralph Adamo on August 14, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Sorry Ralph, I was not disagreeing with you. Should have been more clear…your post was interesting and got me thinking…but I liked your post and agreed with what you said. Sorry if it seemed as if I were critiquing…was just thinking out loud. Good job!

    Skunky on August 14, 2012 at 9:20 pm

      @Skunky, thanks. I didn’t take your thoughtful comments as being critical of my post (not that I’d object if you did); but rather, I just wanted to clarify.

      Ralph Adamo on August 15, 2012 at 5:22 pm

“Mazel Tov, Helen”.

I hope you’re not implying Helen was Jewish. She was not. Just a WASPy Southern lady.

Then again, I always thought non-Jewish Southerners and Jews had a lot in common.

dee on August 14, 2012 at 9:07 pm

The topic is HGB, not Moslems.

Enjoyed your perspective Debbie. Tough convincing readers who are products of that era, but a new generation needs to know.

GM Car Of The Future on August 14, 2012 at 11:02 pm

Great Post!

Aphrodite on August 14, 2012 at 11:21 pm

RT, You are right – the Persians were a great nation until the 7th century, when they were overrun & Islamized. At one time, they used to theaten the Greeks, and they recovered some after Alexander’s conquests.

I studied that thing a bit. The capital of Sassanid Persia was not Persepolis, but a city called Ctesiphon, which is where Baghdad today is. In other words, it was on the fringes of the Persian empire, and so when the Arabs invaded, it was the first to fall. Had the capital been somewhere in the heart of Persia, such as Persepolis, they’d probably have made it a lot tougher.

Iranian medals – yawwn. While there was a see-saw b/w the US & China for first place, it ultimately ended w/ the US well on top, w/ 104 medals, and China a close second w/ 88. Iran was 17th. Yeah, it would have been nice had Israel got a few, but the way Iran has acted has been anything but sportsmanlike. Even Arab countries, from what I’ve followed, haven’t made a fuss about this.

Infidel on August 15, 2012 at 3:31 am

Well,Debbie,I barely knew who this woman was,but no one can accuse you of being a hypocrite.I also have no desire to shed crocodile tears over someone I can’t stand when they shuffle off to Buffalo.Matter of fact,when William Kunstler died,I taped the TV report with Ron Kuby crying so I could watch it to cheer me up if I was having a miserable day.

joe on August 15, 2012 at 7:38 am

Cosmo is one of the reasons why I cringe when I check out at a store with my kids. It stinks having to explain to your preteen daughter why one of her former Disney heroines is on the cover of a magazine dressed like a tramp with sexual statements all around her.

Blayne on August 15, 2012 at 7:42 am

she attempted to dissolve traditional relationships between men and women, unfortunately, that is her legacy.

Dave on August 15, 2012 at 9:23 am

Even back then while I was at a tender young age, I could see that the era of Brown, and the “Love children”, exploited gullible women who passed themselves around like party favors for sex. Some men today admit they joined the “Hippie generation” only for that explicit act.

Rochelle on August 15, 2012 at 5:06 pm

Ditto to Blayne re the presence of Cosmo at store checkouts. Typically positioned at levels where children can see it. And the gross banner headlines, with their limited vocabulary, are easy to read.Though a sharp 7 or 8 year old might ask why “Him” is always capitalized in a non-religious publication.

Carola Von H. on August 16, 2012 at 9:49 am

Debbie Im not familiar with this woman, but as soon as her death was covered on morning TV I immediately thought of you, Im glad you covered this so quickly.

As usual TV presenters gushed over her as the queen of “sexual liberation”, as soon as I heard those two words said together I knew exactly what kind of person I was learning about.

What the hell is a sexual revolution anyway? Nobody can ever tell you. It’s an absolute joke.

RobertEngland on August 16, 2012 at 3:53 pm

Wow, I’m actually surprised that you’re giving Helen Gurley Brown credit for being the downfall of Western civilization because that means you’re admitting she had actual power and influence. I thought it was generally the axiom of this ilk that women weren’t capable of anything other than making sandwiches and asking their husbands for spending money so they might buy a purty new hat.

PhillyKS on August 17, 2012 at 3:35 pm

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