October 16, 2012, - 1:15 pm

Another Muslim Honor Killing in America: Arab Muslim Bro Murders Sis in Obamatown

By Debbie Schlussel

A couple of hours ago, Ibrahim Aysheh of Chicago was ordered held on $1 million bond in the killing of his sister, Nawal. This is unusual in a case in which the suspect is charged with involuntary manslaughter and prosecutors say they believe his cockamamie story about finding a gun “hidden on the street” and “accidentally” killing his sister when he played “Show and Tell” and displayed the new gun he “just found.” The gun “accidentally went off,” he claimed. And did I mention that there are NO witnesses (other than him and his victim sister)? And that he and another sister hid the gun and lied about it to police?

“Religion of Peace”: Ibrahim Aysheh of Chicago Killed Sis Nawal “By Accident”

I’m not buyin’ any of this story. And I don’t think prosecutors are either despite what they say, which is why the bond is so high for an “accident.” It’s also high because this guy has a criminal record, clearly violated probation, and previously got off with just community service in a previous conviction for unlawful use of a weapon. And that’s aside from a trial he had on charges in March 2011 for aggravated unlawful use of a firearm, aggravated unlawful use of a weapon and possession of a gun with a defaced serial number. Some moronic O.J. Simpson/Casey Anthony-style jury acquitted him. Sound like a guy who just found a gun “hidden on the street” to you? Sound like a guy whose sister died just ‘cuz the gun “accidentally” went off? PUH-LEEZE. Oh, and he’s also in a gang. Plenty of Arab Muslims in America are.

I think it’s pretty clear this guy murdered his sister and did it for a reason. Usually when a Muslim older brother murders his sister, it’s because she “defamed” or “dishonored” the family in some way. In other words, an honor killing.

A man on supervision for a weapons conviction accidentally shot and killed his 20-year-old sister in their Northwest Side home over the weekend while showing her a pistol he claimed he had found on the street, prosecutors said today.

Ibrahim Aysheh, 22, was ordered held on $1 million bond on charges of involuntary manslaughter and unlawful use of weapon by a felon.

Aysheh and his sister, Nawal, were alone in his bedroom in the 4800 block of West Wolfram Street at about 9:10 a.m. Saturday when he showed her a .380 caliber handgun that he said he had “found hidden on the street,” Assistant State’s Atty. Yulia Nikolaevskaya said.

Aysheh took the clip out of the gun, saw that it was empty, put it back and pulled the trigger, Nikolaevskaya said.

“The gun went off and the defendant saw his sister fall to the ground,” Nikolaevskaya said. While he picked her up and carried her out of the house, their other sister called 911 and then hid the gun in a dog food bag in the basement, the prosecutor said.

Nawal Aysheh was pronounced dead a short time later at Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center. She suffered a single gunshot wound to the head.

Ibrahim Aysheh, identified by police as a gang member, later gave a videotaped statement admitting to the accidental shooting, prosecutors said.

At the time of the shooting, Aysheh was still on court supervision for a conviction for unlawful use of a weapon, Nikolaevskaya said. He had violated his probation in that case in 2011 and was sentenced to the Cook County boot camp program, she said.

On March 21, 2011, he was charged with aggravated unlawful use of a firearm, aggravated unlawful use of a weapon and possession of a gun with a defaced serial number, records show. But he was found not guilty of the charges in a bench trial on Sept. 30, 2011.

And if you believe that was an “accidental” shooting, I have some land in South Lebanon to sell you. I wonder what the immigration status is of the members of this family. Plenty more Religion-of-Peaceniks just like ’em all over America, sadly.

And by the way, anyone who knows anything about guns and shooting knows that it is very difficult and unlikely to “accidentally shoot yourself” with perfect aim to the head, heart or some other place that would be fatal. We know what really happened here.

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49 Responses

It probably was an “honor killing.” They do bring their barbaric customs here.

Since Islam is savage by nature, America will do little to civilize them.

But we have to pretend the Religion Of Peace – well doesn’t carry out their particular customs here. That’s the kind of thing that gets safely ignored along with whatever else Muslims do here.

Only in America.

NormanF on October 16, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    First, you have to squeeze the trigger to discharge the weapon.

    Second, you know it was a “honor” killing AS IF MUZZIES HAD ANY HONOR…

    THIRD, ONE LESS BOMB BREEDER…except this stinking thinking is leeching it’s way into our superior culture…

    As goes... So goes... on October 16, 2012 at 4:56 pm

“Found” and “hidden” in the same sentence? A felon with a gun? Say it isn’t so.

Editorial: Yup, those strict Chicago gun laws are working real well. When will tards recognize that any felon wishing to possess a gun, will?

Road Warrior on October 16, 2012 at 1:41 pm

If the accused is a gang member he should be familiar with firearms. He took the clip out of the gun and did not check whether there was a round in the chamber. Very strange.

I am sure that an investigation could determine if the victim was becoming westernized and if their was turmoil in the family as a result. It will probably not take place.

Gloria Stewart on October 16, 2012 at 2:13 pm

Those nasty guns killing people again. And being lost and then found on the street in the good City of Chicago, where no one is allowed to even think about guns.

Poor muzzy. It is not his fault.

If he was a man not a pig he would admit it was an honor killing. Maybe his lawyer will use this as a defense. Separation of church and state and all that BS.

Panhandle on October 16, 2012 at 2:40 pm

we can thank fat ted kennedy’s 1965 immergration reform act for these turd world scum being allowed into america.it was his way of getting at the wasps so now we are over run with ragheads and their monkeyshines.sooner or later we will have to kill them all or they will kill us.

bruce on October 16, 2012 at 4:00 pm

If it was an honor killing, it was done mistakenly in the spur of the moment…You would not rush your sister off to possibly recover from her attack.

If it was an honor killing, why would you not do the honorable thing and admit it? There is just no honor these days in an honor killing.

Visteo on October 16, 2012 at 4:24 pm

it was just lying in the street… i found a dollar once.

kirche on October 16, 2012 at 4:28 pm

“[Chicago P]rosecutors say they believe his [Ibrahim Aysheh] cockamamie story about finding a gun “hidden on the street” and “accidentally” killing his sister when he played “Show and Tell” and displayed the new gun he “just found.””

There are a couple of possible explanations for how the prosecutors came to their conclusions: (a) the prosecutors recently sampled some of the goods from a busted meth lab; (b) the prosecutors have been watching way too many hours of CNN, MSNBC, and Al Jazeera; or (c) the prosecutors are deferring to the Muslim custom of Honor Killings. I can’t definitively rule out “a” and “b,” but “c” seems to be the most likely of the possibilities. Although the prosecutors undoubtedly lack Debbie’s gift of a remarkably accurate internal BS/radar- detector system, I’m sure the forensic specialists involved in the case offered their opinion to the prosecutors in some shape or form that the killing was no accident.

In another Honor Killing earlier this year, in which a woman named Alawadi was bashed in the head with a tire iron until dead in her home in El Cajon, near San Diego, CA, all of the major media and many Leftist groups pounced on that story because they wanted to believe that Alawadi was killed because of “hatred against Muslims,” based on a “hate note” left at the scene of the crime. (Even the FBI joined the act, offering their services to help with the investigation of this “hate crime”–perhaps on the instructions of someone from Obama’s inner circle.) But when Debbie heard the facts of this story, alarm bells from her BS detector system went blaring, and she wrote an article shortly thereafter explaining why Alawadi’s killing was likely an Honor Killing, and wasn’t buying the “hate note.” As it turned out, after an initial investigation, the El Cajon police realized that the note was, indeed, phony and was PLANTED by the murderer [and perhaps with an accomplice or two].

So what did the El Cajon police do after they concluded that Alawadi was not murdered as a result of a “hate crime against Muslims”? Did they consider the fact that they discovered that Alawadi was in the process of divorcing her husband and that he wasn’t exactly grief stricken on receiving the news of his wife’s murder a red flag? And how about the unusual response from Alawadi’s daughter who was caught earlier by Alawadi having sex in a car, in which the daughter also wasn’t exactly grief stricken? I made a prediction about the entire shortly after I read Debbie article and did a little online investigation of my own. I concluded that the El Cajon police would do absolutely NOTHING because the El Cajon police have no cajones, and were going to defer to this Honor Killing as a domestic matter, unofficially closing the books on the matter–as long as no one else pursues the case. The same has been true of several other Honor Killings in the US.

Like the great fictional detective, C. Auguste Dupin, in Edgar Allan Poe’s short story, “The Mystery of Marie Rogêt,” Debbie has again pieced together the facts from “newspaper clippings” and deduced the true nature of the crime. (Poe INVENTED the modern detective story, including all of the trappings: the detective’s sidekick, the stumbling/misled police, etc.)

Oh, and by the way, the Muslim groups that were originally urging the police to continue their investigation (when the “belief” was that Alawadi was killed as a result of a “hate Muslims” crime)–do you think they want to see any investigations of this Honor Killings? Of course not. That case, and others like it, are closed as far as they are concerned. Because when you get down to it, those Muslims don’t even care about other Muslims. To them, life is not a precious gift in which one has a duty to do something worthy in it. No, to them, life is an expendable commodity. In this regard, I’m reminded of the Golda Meir quotation: “We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.”

Ralph Adamo on October 16, 2012 at 4:45 pm

It wasn’t an honor killing. I know once people see it’s a Muslim that dies, and oh, wait, that Mulism died in the hands of another Muslim. You assume something fishy must be up.

It’s not strange that they hid the gun. He just shot his sister, imagine how it was in that house. The brother bringing down the sister and yelling that he accidently shot her and didn’t mean it. Imagine the mother seeing her daughter in the hands of the brother who killed her. Imagine the father. Trust me, it was probably a difficult day for everybody in that house. Especially the brother who now has to live with the fact he killed his sister. Hiding the gun and trying to deflect what really happened was probably something that happened in the spur of the moment. I don’t agree that they tried to pin the murder and trying to deflect what really happened. Because while all of that, what were they doing to the girl to stop the bleeding? Did they hold something to her head to stop the bleeding? They probably did not stop and think, they probably were frantic and having no idea what to do.

This family has had a lot of problems. But not problems that you would think. The girl was set to get married. Just last Monday she had an engagement ceremony, and this past Monday was her funeral. Sad isn’t it? but what’s sad is people like you guys saying such horrible stuff. Like, one less suicide bomber? Really? Honor killing, really? The girl in that household was loved by many. She was going to college, she was set to get married. The brother who accidently killed her was set to go back to the middle east and his parents were going to keep him there to get his life back around. These plans were set to happen, especially when the guy would have finished his probation. He made a mistake in going against his probation, made a mistake in assuming it’s empty, and made a mistake in shooting his sister. Everybody makes mistakes. Is he not allowed to be forgiven because he is a Muslim? Because you American’s once you hear or see a Muslim you mind jumps at all the stereotypical things that Muslims get labeled as? Is the death of this young girl going to be tainted because now people like you are assuming she was this or she was that? Look past the fact they are Muslim and look at the circumstances and compare that with other tragic accidents where American’s accidently shoot their own family members. Or is it for American’s considered just an accident and there is no other interior motives?

This is something the guy has to live with. The fact he was arrested before for having possession of weapeans and using them incorrectly means this young man did not know anything about guns. He walked with the wrong group. and his parents were just about to have him go back to the right track. Now he is stuck in jail and the death of his sister is on him. Just because he was in a gang does not mean he would have known how to use guns. People who are in gangs are not Muslims. Not the majority anyway. The people who are in gang members are troubled young souls. Who ever they maybe. Just like this young man was. Stuff like this happens.

I am just saying. I saw about 4 articles like this claiming it was an honor killings and then having to read the ignorant comments just like I did here.

Extremist religious groups are the ones who suicide bomb, ones who do honor killings, who do treat their own families as scum. But the realization should be that not every group in that religious group is the same. Sometimes accidents are just accidents.

people these days on October 16, 2012 at 9:01 pm

Debbie your pathetic to even let people talk about someones daughter who died like that on your page. your disgusting. You and all these ignorant morons on you page need to really need to grow up. funny how you all talk about all arabs being terrorist. what about the white people shooting up high schools, colleges, movie theaters. how come they aren’t terrorist? All the rapes, murders, robberies that are happening by WHITE and BLACK people, thats ok too?!? Theres good and bad in every religion, and culture. its very ignorant to think all arabs are terrorist. Grow up. Your children aren’t safe going anywhere because of your own people!

palilover on October 16, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    Yeah, I don’t know what came over me to think that this was a Muslim honor murder. And had to just been one of those crazy accidents. It was just a nice kid, a regular guy just trying to make the best of his life, and getting into a little trouble with the law because of prejudice against Muslims. And then he just somehow shot her point-blank in the head Killing her after having the misfortune of just happeningto find a gun just laying around on the street that somebody carelessly left behind. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve found attached guns just laying around loaded on the streets, especially in Chicago. I’m sure the guy was just heartbroken over the accidental killing of his sister. He must’ve been emotionally shattered. In fact I am sure that he has felt so grief stricken that he could not even bear to show his face to a camera so you could actually see the miserable state that he was in as a result of the accidental killing. Thanks for setting me straight on how good decent honorable warm generous thoughtful benevolent and beneficent the Muslim people truly are when you get down to it. At least that’s what they say on Al Jazeera all of the time. And they wouldn’t lie, would they?

    Ralph Adamo on October 17, 2012 at 12:14 am

      And forget what I said about the Alawadi case. It was probably a suicide, not a murder. She chose a strange weapon to do it, using a tire iron, but these weird accidents happen.

      Ralph Adamo on October 17, 2012 at 12:36 am

      was your whole post a mockery, Adam? I read it like that. I don’t care what you want to believe, but you don’t know true Muslims if you ever saw one. Muslims are religious but Muslims’s are human too and walk with the wrong crowd sometimes. But it’s on the parents. You bring your children up in an environment where it’s very bad, chances are they are going to do bad things. Like this guy who has done many mistakes. One of his mistakes was picking up a gun that he had no reason to pick up, especially when he was on prohabtion and wasn’t supposed to touch any guns. That is another story towards what happened between the sister and brother. I don’t know the full story, but the shooting was an accident. One of the story I heard was the sister saw him with the gun and quickly wanted to take the gun from him because she told him that he got arrested in the first place because of guns. In which he said that the gun isn’t even loaded, then from there they were both fighting for control of the gun and that is when the gun went off. I don’t know if this version has any merit because these kids are related to me and I have a bit of inside scoop. Either way, we won’t know, or the public won’t know, until a full confirmation is put out there. But I can guarantee that this was a tragic accident. It happens to American familes . The misuse of guns. Interesting how those type of accidents in american families don’t have labels such as Muslims. Don’t see a tragic accident with and American family as though it was an honor killing. No, thos articles the comments are full of love and prayer. While, articles like this one where it’s a Muslim Tragedy everyone is jumping for joy and leaving such ignorant comments. Yet, you are trying to be above it all, like American’s are the best people out there. I think you are mistaken on that front. Look around your country. It’s not all it’s cracked up to be. We are all people in the end.

      Look past our culture differences, look past of what you assume therefore you fear because you don’t know, in the end we are all the same. To be educated, to be accepting, to have a better understanding of what you don’t know; then you first have to not follow the crowd, get rid of your ignorance. Do not have a fear of experiencing a culture and religion that is far from your understanding. Chances are everything you think you know about Islam is actually not what Islam actually is. I always ask. What are American’s so fearful about when it comes to Islam. Is it the God we believe in, or is it us? It can’t be us because half of us believe what we believe and could care less what others believe. And the few extremists don’t represent all of Islam. So, is it Allah you fear, or is us? I answered that question already, it can’t be us. I couldn’t even harm a fly. I mean why are many American’s leaving such ignorant hateful comments, like, “Yes, another one down” Really?

      Also, I don’t watch Al Jazeera, since my stronger language is English, but regardless, the same could be said about the Fox news station. That station wouldn’t lie, right? I mean for Goodness sakes, bringing up news stations now?

      I don’t like what Fox news presents, which is why I and many others who are American’s by the way, don’t watch it. So, since Al jeezara, in your eyes, lie, that means this incident with the kid means he is lying too? Well, they did at first out of wanting to protect, but something this big, one can’t just hide it. He told the truth later on and confessed he shot her by accident. It was no honor killing. Honor killings mean something complely different in which this family do not define that word. Because the family has 3 other older daughters who went to college, got an education, got married. This girl who passed away was just like that. She was in college, just last week she had an engagement party she was set to get married. She was a pure Muslim girl, and she and her brother were extremely close. He would not shoot her for honor killing, or for any other motives. He had his own problems to deal with. Which was to stick with probation, go to work, and not go back to jail. Well, now he is in jail for circumstances that I am sure he nor his family would have thought he would be in jail for. It was simply an accident. Maybe if you looked past them being Muslims and just noticed a regular family with a tragic accident. Maybe you would have more compassion.

      people these days on October 17, 2012 at 12:58 am

        It was a well deserved mocking of your absurdity. Also, your verbal diarrhea is breath taking. Quantity is not quality. It reminded me of someone off of their medications on a bus. They just went on and on in a semi-delirious state. You might try Thorazine or Lithium for your disorder. It might improve the quality of your Islamo-Tirades. Finally, make sure your caregiver changes you before nite nite.

        Worry01 on October 17, 2012 at 7:11 am

          ops Worry01, I guess people here are used to a sentenct post of, “ONE LESS MUSLIM IN THIS WORLD” “MUSLIMS ALL NEED TO DIE” “WAS SHE GAY?”

          Yeah, thanks for setting me straight in the right way to conduct myself in this racist, ignorant, place of a site and the people that follow it. Excuse me, you really won’t be seeing much of me hear. So my new presence of actually trying to have a conversation rather then show myself like you guys who behave quite embarrassingly, I am only here to defend my relatives. You can go on showing your mentally immature you guys are. You belong in this place for sure.

          people these days on October 17, 2012 at 7:48 am

    The man was a gang member and already had a weapons conviction that he was under supervision for. He could not legally possess a gun in that situation. If you believe that anyone would believe that “show and tell” story of his your taqqiya/kitman skills are very poor. Spare us the drivel, which it is.

    Worry01 on October 17, 2012 at 2:30 am

    Hey stupid Palilover/Fakestinianlover, did you read the entire article? Apparently you didn’t read the article, you only read what you wanted to read which proves how stupid and pathetic you are. Since this guy (a muslim) killed his own sister (a muslim) in a horrible way, which they call it in islam “honor killing” you have NOTHING to add or say and call out this scumbag, but you take your own ammo towards the messenger like a doofus. Have you heard of this phrase dumbass, “don’t attack the messenger, only disagree with the messenger”, and you attack Debbie by throwing stones at glass-houses.

    Furthermore, where in this article Debbie ever said that all arabs are terrorists? Answer, NOWHERE in this article DS has defamed a group of people, furthermore you loon, Debbie has plenty of friends who’s of arab lineage like yourself, and YES Debbie has called out horrible stuff that white people and black people have done. You weren’t here over a year ago when Jared Loughner shot up 8 people in a Safeway supermarket in Arizona, Debbie called him out and condemned his actions, Debbie also called out and condemned the shooting in Colorado this past summer. And since you had the nerve to equate DS as a racists, your the one who’s the true racists, many of you arab-muslims happen to be racists and bigots, you say terrible things about black people like myself by calling folks of my ethnicity as slave and slaves.

    Typical of you muslims, if a muslim kills another muslim, you assholes remain quiet and don’t say a word, by doing the “Three-Monkeys”, “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil”!

    “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

    Sean R. on October 17, 2012 at 8:47 am

      wow you are so stupid its sad! Even though he is muslim he deserves a horrible punishment. But no one knows what really happened maybe it was an accident…just because he was a muslim and killed his muslim sister doesn’t mean it was a honor killing thats ignorant to think!. I have heard of a lot of cased of accidental shootings. A white american father accidentally shooting his son while showing him how to shoot a gun. does that mean that it was something more than an accident? Just because it was a muslim scenario its a honor killing…please thats so sad that people stoop so low. If he did it on purpose he should get punished just like anyone else. All i am sating is it would of really been an accident. Everyone just like to hate on muslims and its not right a lot of us are just like anyone of you except for the fact that we don’t see the worst in people, I myself know theres bad and good in every culture and religion. You all are just stereotyping muslims and its bullshit. but you can think and have your own ignorant opinion Sean R. 😉

      Palilover on October 17, 2012 at 3:14 pm

        BTW Sean R my brother in law is african american and so are my neice and nephew and many of my friends….and they arent muslims. I also have White, jewish, Indian friend, basically friends in every race and culture so i am no where near a racist! sorry to break it to you. You are the racist because of the way you portray and talk about muslims

        Palilover on October 17, 2012 at 3:18 pm

        The inappropriate use of winkies is a sign of Islamic wickedness and derangement. It’s strange but true.

        skzion on October 18, 2012 at 10:02 am

    If you actually tried to read this thread, the was reported by the media. Also, you seem more concerned about covering this entire matter up. The man who shot her was a convicted felon who could not legally possess a firearm, and was in fact still under supervision. This character had even had to serve time at a Cook County Boot Camp for a previous violation of the terms of his release. There is nothing pathetic in what Debbie posted. Rather it smoked you out of your hole, which is good. People can see you for what you are. The more you ramble on, the more of a spectacle you make of yourself.

    Worry01 on October 18, 2012 at 2:00 am

Was she gay ?

Truth on October 17, 2012 at 3:26 am

Does anyone know if she was gay thats probably the reason her brother killed her.

Truth on October 17, 2012 at 11:27 am

    No, she wasn’t gay. And no she wasn’t the type of girls to show to much skin. So her being killed had nothing to with any of that. It wsa a misfortune of events that I am sure the brother just would want to rewind time and change his events for that day. A tragic event.

    She was going to get married this summer. Last week was her engagment party. Trust me when I say this family is normal, except for the fact this this guy has been trouble for that family but apart from that they are very loving and they were loved in return. I know the older sister, from what I could see the whole family is Americanized from the boy all the way to the girls. So showing skin, or dressing down, or anything like that would not trigger for the brother to just kill for those reasons. they are Muslim but very Americanized and Westerinized. This tragic event was simply an accident. Though I know people would want to say otherwise.

    I mean I am feeling sympthay for Nawal not her brother because ultimatly he is the cause for her death. He had the gun, he shot her. Just because it was an accident doesn’t mean I am going to praise him. But I do want to defend him against poeple who want to label him as something he isn’t. It wasn’t an honor killing or anything like that. It was simply and accident. I hope he stays in jail for life and think over what he has done to himself and his family.

    people these days on October 17, 2012 at 11:53 am

You see the Arabs always considered women as property that they own. Eventhough they practiced prostitution for gain they always pretended that it is not there. They think that a woman is pilfering their wealth if she loves some one or breaks their taboos. And they want all the profit they can get frm a woman to themselves.
Many of their traditions a local traditions they created and stuck to it. To legitimize it they preend that it is religious. Well tell me ; what about pleasure marriage; is it prostitution or not????

G. R. Scharoubim on October 17, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    What are you smoking G.R.? I think a lot of the frustrations some American’s have with Muslims is that you guys don’t exactly know Muslim people, you don’t really know the religion. You just go off of what the media portrays or what is being selled to you.

    No, Women are not property. The religion of Islam is the beleif in Allah. Everything else is a culture thing. It has nothing to do with religion. If a women does not want to get married that is her own right. Women have teh choice of when they want to get married and who they want to get married too. Just because the way marriage is dealt with in Islam is different then the way American’s do it, doesn’t mean it’s bad or wrong. So, no, you won’t see true Muslims girls going out and partiing with boys or hooking up with boys. That is just not the way it’s done. It’s considered a sin. Wehther it’s a boy or a girl. it’s even considered a sin in the Chritian religion but Chrisitians like to pretend otherwise to legitimize their actions.

    Muslim Marriages are done in a certain way. The harshness in they way Muslims live depends on certain Muslims and where they live. I am a 22 year old girl, living in American. And I have chosen eduaction over marriage. I have turned down marriage propersels because I have other goals in life. I don’t want to settle down. Guess what? My parents were fine with that. They support me and my education.

    You really shouldn’t talk about something you do not know. Not saying there are not Muslims who are that harsh and evil because there are. Just like there are Chrisitians and Jews and so on and so on. There are evil people everywhere. But when it comes to culture and a culture you do not understand, you do not have the right to talk about it as though you do what you are talking about. Get a little more personal education in the Islamic culture. T

    There are some pretty cool Muslims out there who live the American life, are happy, have dreams and goals. Have a family that supports them. Not every muslim out there is set to kill anybody. I think half the time Muslims have the fear that somebody will come kill them. In fact, Califnornia is very big on Islamphobia, I have heard many stories of Muslim familes geting killed by Americans because of their fear of Muslims. I don’t know why you or anybody would promote that since you guys go around saying Muslims are the killers. Muslim are not the killers. People who are set to kill are killers. It’s not the religion they believe in. It’s them as a person. Muslim are not the only people in the world who kill.

    people these days on October 17, 2012 at 12:25 pm

      “Idiots These Days”. You obviously do not know this site. You just wasted 100 words of crap on something none of us believe here. Not because we are retarded like YOU but because we HAVE been educated.

      Your silly post was just putting lipstick on a pig. And my apologies to pigs because I love them as animals.

      Go sell crazy (and dumb) somewhere else. We are too knowing to fall for your horsesh**!

      Skunky on October 17, 2012 at 1:03 pm

        Sorry Mr. Skunky, you are not too knowing, nor are you educated in different cultures. You only know from what is taught to you, and what you see on the media and news articles like this. If the statment from the police indicated this was an honor killings, then this article would be appropriate. But it’s not because what was let out was that it was an accident. One can’t just create an article saying for a fact it’s an honor killing when there is no facts that state otherwise.

        I am not leaving. What I am saying applies to this article and the people that are being discussed. Your post showed me that some people like you fear different. you don’t like to hear different perspectives, you just like to be comfortable in your own world of ignorance and racism and want everybody around you to be the same way you are, to believe what you believe and anything different than that, anybody different thant that should be condemned in your eyes because they are different.

        It’s time to open your eyes and change the way you think, change the way you speak and I will not be shunned away because I am offering a different perspectives. There is no right way of life or a wrong way of life. We are all the same in the end.

        people these days on October 17, 2012 at 5:43 pm

        Skunky, you are dealing with individuals who cannot even come up with plausible taqqiya/kitman for such a situation. Instead, they just expose their mendacity and hysteria. Why would they even respond to a thread like this? Debbie did some fumigation, and the cockroaches inevitably came out. The Islamic reaction here is quite similar and equally mindless.

        Worry01 on October 18, 2012 at 2:05 am

      Liars These Days has REALLY told a whopper!


      “The religion of Islam is the beleif [sic] in Allah. Everything else is a culture thing.”

      Even Mo seems to be a “cultural thing” apparently. I guess Al Azhar U is just making up cultural stuff when it makes Islamic rulings. Yeah, the stories we hear about “authoritative hadiths” are pure fabrications.

      skzion on October 18, 2012 at 10:11 am

Peoplethesedays, again you’ve revealed the true nature of the situation. The problem is the culture, not Islam. Islam and it’s leaders and followers calling for the death of Israel and the USA only represent mere sixty percent of the Muslim population, and the rest are merely unapposed to it.

Ralph Adamo on October 17, 2012 at 1:23 pm

From People These Days: He made a mistake in going against his probation, made a mistake in assuming it’s empty, and made a mistake in shooting his sister. Everybody makes mistakes.

Not like that they don’t. And that seems more like an accustomed pattern than a bunch of “random” mistakes.

Anyone else here find if odd that the other sister hid the gun in a bag of dogfood?

KerryB29 on October 17, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Kerry, from what I am aware. They hid the gun because this kid wasn’t even supposed to have a possession of the gun. The whole family was thinking more about the guy then they did Nawal. Honestly, she would still be alive (I think) if instead of running frantic and thinking about himself and the family thinking about the guy more, they should have been applying pressure to her head. I don’t know if they did or didn’t, but it seems they didn’t because they hid the gun, and also took her outside the house because they wanted to blame it on gangs. I think it was an accident, but that tragic day I think the whole family did a lot of mistakes involving Nawal. She should not have been moved, somebody should have been applying pressure to her head (Maybe they did maybe they ddin’t, I don’t know).

    I think we all can say right now, that if we were in that situation, we would have been thinking rationally. But think of the circumstances of the son already being in trouble with the law for unlawful possession of the weapon, then there is so much to consider. I think the son was thinking more about himself and what trouble he got himself in, rahter then thinking about his sister he accidently shot.

    people these days on October 17, 2012 at 5:36 pm

Although the whole crime sounds bizarre and not credible at best (a man with weapons violations just happens to find a gun on the street, just happens to accidentally shoot his sister at point blank range, and then his other sister, who should be horrified, hides the gun in the dog food bag). I do not think it is right to make assumptions about the poor girl (Nawal Aysheh) who is no longer with us, and therefore can not defend herself. I enjoy reading Debbie Schlussel’s website and I do agree with many of the things she says but this blog is kind of crossing a line that I am uncomfortable with.

Beretz on October 17, 2012 at 4:59 pm


    If we should be arguing about anything we shouldn’t be arguing about whether or not it was an honor killing we should be arguing whether the CPD did a rush job just to close the case. I think the CPD denied Nawal Aysheh justice by not pursuing the real story so a determination could be made on whether it was first degree, second degree, or manslaughter. If it indeed was a murder (which I believe it was)then charging Ibrahim with involuntary manslaughter, where Ibrahim will probably be out on the street within two years is a total injustice for Nawal.

    Beretz on October 17, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    Beretz, strange that you should enjoy this site but choose as your first comment here a criticism of Debbie. Hm.

    skzion on October 18, 2012 at 10:17 am

If we should be arguing about anything we shouldn’t be arguing about whether or not it was an honor killing we should be arguing whether the CPD did a rush job just to close the case. I think the CPD denied Nawal Aysheh justice by not pursuing the real story so a determination could be made on whether it was first degree, second degree, or manslaughter. If it indeed was a murder (which I believe it was)then charging Ibrahim with involuntary manslaughter, where Ibrahim will probably be out on the street within two years is a total injustice for Nawal.

Beretz on October 17, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    Actually, that is not true. He bail has been set at one million dollars. If a judge was willing to agree to that, this was not just some accident. Also, a prosecutor can up the charges based upon the evidence. The charges now in place are preliminary. Also, the man who had an accident was a gang member who had previously had a weapons conviction that he was under supervision for. He was committing a criminal act by merely possessing the weapon. The show and tell story he gave incriminates him already. He was in violation of the terms of his release at the very start.

    Worry01 on October 18, 2012 at 1:49 am

      You have it backwards, I worked for 5 years in the Genesee County Jail (Flint, Michigan) as a Sheriff Deputy. It’s been my experience that when an Officer makes an arrest with a repeat offender they ussually try to throw the book at him, it then ussually gets bargained down by the lawyer, the judge and the prosecuting attorney due to heavy case loads. I have never heard of a Police Department starting with a weak charge and then upping the charge. It may happen (I have never seen it) but it is extremely rare.

      Beretz on October 18, 2012 at 1:14 pm


If we should be arguing about anything we shouldn’t be arguing about whether or not it was an honor killing we should be arguing whether the CPD did a rush job just to close the case. I think the CPD denied Nawal Aysheh justice by not pursuing the real story so a determination could be made on whether it was first degree, second degree, or manslaughter. If it indeed was a murder (which I believe it was)then charging Ibrahim with involuntary manslaughter, where Ibrahim will probably be out on the street within two years is a total injustice for Nawal.

Beretz on October 17, 2012 at 5:19 pm

My apologies on the duplicate comments

Beretz on October 17, 2012 at 5:21 pm

Enough has been said. Kill them all before they kill us all. muslims are haters of life, and especially women. They just use them for babies to kill more people.
They brag they will take over this country in 20 years from their numbers alone in voting. Then we are DEAD…

Adelle Blackman on October 17, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    what a stupid think to say. the islam religion does not treat its woman badly at all that is just a stereotype for your information. How many white american men beat rape and kill there wives sisters daughters daily. Muslims are very peaceful yes there are some who have given us a bad name but as in many cultures and religions theres good and bad in every religion. Not all Jews, Catholics, Christians, white, black purple or yellow are perfect! Not one male has ever laid a hand on a woman in my family, but i do know of some of my catholic and christian friends whose fathers sad to say beat and molested them or there mothers. But of course to you thats ok because they are not muslims right? I grew up in a very small all white people town and when sept 11th happened everyone in that town stood by me and my parents im glad there are still amazing people like that in the world. its sad to still have ignorant people like you around Adelle

    Palilover on October 17, 2012 at 10:06 pm


I don’t deny that there are muslims in the world who would like to live and let live, and who wouldn’t ever consider honor killings. But if you stated these views and beliefs in any muslim or arab country, you would quickly be silenced. Forever. You and your family are among a small minority of muslims who came to the US – the most free country in the history of the world – and appreciate the privilege you have have been provided. But many muslims in the US are sending money to avowed terrorist groups in the Middle East…….There have been over 60 attempts to terrorize New York since 9/11 that have been thwarted. Guess what religion all the perps have been?…… Almost all hijacking in the history of this evil deed have been arabs or muslims……and why is it that so many oil-rich lands with plenty of space, wealth, and resources for every muslim in the world are hell-bent on destroying one tiny country( whose arab population has way more freedom than in any arab land)? If even half of muslims in the world were like you, you’d have leaders to denounce all terrorism and teach your young to respect the land they are in. We just don’t see that. Nobody is being ignorant, just realistic. It’s not that every arab is a terrorist, it’s just that the vast majority of terrorists have been arab – there’s a difference.

Arafat was a camel humper on October 18, 2012 at 2:09 am

Arafat, do not limit Muslims to Arabs. The stink goes way beyond the latter.

skzion on October 18, 2012 at 10:22 am

You guys are some ignorant mf. I know their family. Ibrahim loved the shit outta his sister. True he was a gangbanger but he had love for his family. Nawals death was a pure accident may she RIP. I remember when she beat up these girls that wanted to pull off her hijab. Such a beautiful soul.

joe on January 23, 2013 at 9:38 am

Question: Who authorizes this scum to enter our holy soil in the first place? And when they are identified, why aren’t they sent packing off to the middle east where they will be very popular among their own kind

Larry Johnson on March 24, 2014 at 6:30 pm

See I grew up with Nawal. I’ve known her since 3rd grade. I knew her family and she knew mine. She was a member of the LGBTQ+ community. To Muslims that practice Sharia Law, that is punishable by death. I was told this by other muslims. I think Ibrahim said it was an accident so that he can get a lighter sentence! I miss you Nawal! R.I.P.

Anonymous on February 15, 2017 at 7:49 pm

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