February 3, 2013, - 8:20 pm

In Tonight’s Superbowl, I Root Against the Baby Daddy Murderer Who Got Away w/ It

By Debbie Schlussel


I really couldn’t care less who wins tonight’s Super Bowl. I won’t get any bonus money or endorsement deals out of it. Doesn’t help me or make a difference in my life one bit. I once knew Jim Harbaugh, the coach of the San Francisco 49ers in passing. And it was literally in passing as he passed by on his way to the two girls he was “dating” (euphemism) on my hall, my freshman year at the University of Michigan, when he was a senior. I’m rooting for his team, though, for a good reason: I don’t cheer on murderers and baby daddies of six kids with four women they never married. And that’s the thug and Baltimore Ravens star Ray Lewis, in this case. Although it’s halftime as I write this and Lewis’ team is winning, things can change, and I hope they do.


Last week, I noted that the mainstream media was abuzz about former NFL quarterback and current CBS sports guy Dan Marino and the fact that he had an illegitimate kid with someone other than his wife. And, yet, there is no such buzz, ever, about guys like Ray Lewis, who has the six kids with the four baby mama chicks. Why is that? Does race and racism have something to do with it? And, for that matter, Dan Marino has never been charged with a felony, zero murder victims, and zero missing knives and bloody suits. He also never fled the scene of a murder in his limo. You can’t say any of that for Ray Lewis. Earlier today, I tweeted what I call “Ray Lewis In Numbers” (follow me on Twitter). I got the part about one felony wrong, as he was charged with two felony murder counts and then made a deal to plead guilty to a misdemeanor count of obstructing justice. But you get the point.


It sickens me that this guy is a big star and almost all of Baltimore and the mainstream media are gushing over him when this guy is a murderer. He took two members of his posse to a store, where they bought three knives, meaning they were planning to use them in what ended up being the murder of two innocent men outside an Atlanta night club. In the early morning hours of January 31, 2000, Ray Lewis and his two companions beat and stabbed to death Richard Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar, leaving Lollar’s daughter India Lollar, then four years old, without a father.

Ray Lewis and his friends fled the crime scene in his limo, and his knife and the bloody suit he was wearing that night “mysteriously disappeared” and were never found. Lewis was originally charged with two counts of murder, but he worked a deal with prosecutors, in which he pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and agreed to testify against his two friends in their murder trial. But, Lewis, the son of a baby mama who has perpetuated the cycle, knows the rules of the hood: don’t snitch. So, his “testimony” against his co-murderers consisted of such probative statements as, “I be trippin’, I be trippin’.” And his friends walked. No one ever paid the price for those murders and the relatives of Lewis’ murder victims are understandably outraged at all the adulation visited upon Ray Lewis in his last game tonight.


Thank You, Murderer!

I’ve heard from a friend of mine who told me he became a close adviser to Ray Lewis at the time that the men who were murdered were solicited by Ray Lewis’ friends for gay sex acts for an agreed upon price. And, the story goes, after the men performed, Ray Lewis’ friends didn’t want to pay and Ray Lewis didn’t want to front them the money for that, which is why they bought the knives. They were prepared to give stabs instead of payment at the meeting point that night in Atlanta.

When O.J. Simpson’s clothes mysteriously disappeared, we knew why: he murdered his wife and Ron Goldman. When he fled in a White Ford Bronco, we knew why he was running. It’s the same reason Ray Lewis fled in his limo that night.

In 2001, Ray Lewis was the MVP of the Super Bowl, but Disney did not allow him to appear in its usual post-Super Bowl “I’m Going to Disney World” ad. Will Disney make the same decision if the same thing happens tonight? Hard to say because that’s the world we live in now. NFL players literally get away with murder. Michael Vick went to prison for killing dogs. But Ray Lewis never paid a penalty for killing two men in their early 20s.

Today, Ray Lewis claims he’s changed, though it defies credulity to claim any such thing when the murderer hasn’t admitted his crime and hasn’t received the forgiveness of his dead victims and their families. Ray Lewis paid a large settlement–reportedly multi-millions–to India Lollar, the daughter of one of his victims. That’s not the act of an innocent, but it is the behavior of a murderer who got away with it in criminal court and doesn’t want to be deposed or take the stand in a civil case. Lewis also says he’s a religious Christian, and I’m scratching my head to find an example of a religious Christian who repeatedly sleeps around with different women, fathering children with them, and then abandons them. I may not be a Christian, but I know that’s not how a Christian is supposed to live. But what do I know? After all, Sports Illustrated calls Lewis “G-d’s Linebacker.” Sickening.

Lewis also claims that he should be absolved because he gives money to kids through his foundation. But I looked up his foundation’s tax returns, and the Ray Lewis Foundation gives and spends very little on the kids from his impoverished Florida hometown. It’s a tiny fraction of a fraction of the multi-milion dollars he’s made each of 17 years in the NFL.

So, if you are one of the fools-without-a-conscience from Baltimore who is cheering on this murderer and thug, you have no moral compass and no decency. You are tone deaf to the cries of his murder victims. And you are lucky that he took away the lives of someone else’s relatives instead of yours.

No matter who wins tonight’s big game and no matter who is the MVP, Ray Lewis will always be a murderer and a serial baby daddy who thrust more than his fair share of illegitimate kids on America.

And if he doesn’t pay in this life, he’ll get his eventually.

**** UPDATE: More on “class act” and so-called “devout Christian” Ray Lewis (and, for the record, I don’t identify this thug as a Christian) from Sports Illustrated:

The Minneapolis Star Tribune in ’00: “Ray Lewis, charged with murder in the stabbing deaths of two men after the Super Bowl, appears with a co-defendant in a sexually explicit mail-order video. The video shows Lewis and [strip-club promoter] Joseph Sweeting watching party guests perform sex acts.”

On second thought, he and his foundation should stay far away from inner city (and any other) kids.

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107 Responses

Nothing epitomizes the decline of sports, and related to it, society in general, more than comparing a thug like Lewis to the great Stan Musial, who died recently. Musial was a liberal, but always a gentleman, who represented what was best in sports in society. Could anyone imagine Musial doing any of these things?

Little Al on February 3, 2013 at 8:41 pm

Spot on what you’re saying about Ray Lewis DS, and I’m not just agreeing with you because I’m a Steelers fan, I’m agreeing with you because I remembered this story when it originally broke out in the media 12 years ago, and over the years, I didn’t forget the alleged murders Ray Lewis was accused of.

I also remembered Debbie that a few weeks ago when you admitted this story on facebook, you called out Ray Lewis on his past actions and presented legit sources on the net, rather than bias sources that favors a certain side. And I did read those links you forwarded on FB a weeks ago, and the story totally proved you right on what you’ve said about Ray Lewis.

Also, I didn’t quite know that Ray Lewis was a “baby-father” who allegedly went out with different women and had children from them and didn’t marry them. Shame on him for that, and you’re also right, that’s not how a christian who’s religious or spiritual act, actually that’s the behavior of a muslim-sheik man. But despite all of these skeletons in Ray Lewis’ closet, the man is a terrific football player, you can’t take that away from him, his athletic ability to play the game of football!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on February 3, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    Not only a great football player, but a great teammate! A man that makes all those around him better! There is zero negativity when it comes to ray Lewis! There are very few that have that positive ora that he has!

    Some will hate in him because they fail to inspire or be inspired. It’s much easier to constantly point fingers at others instead of ever taking responsibility for your own actions!

    Kershaw on February 4, 2013 at 1:15 am

Debbie I’ve been thinking the same thing. Also Debbie I really appreciate all the wonderful friendship and support you have given me despite your busy schedule and even though we’ve never met. You have been an angel for me and B’H someday I can repay your kindness.

A1 on February 3, 2013 at 9:01 pm

sign of the times debbie

it’s not cool to be white

it’s becoming increasingly unacceptable
to be christian
open – minded
believing in the bill of rights

the more one panders and accepts
and other leftist stupidity
the more one is acceptale in
our modern ( not tyrannical ) society

think about it
where are we going

and all because of the
white house imposter

and what the left
over the decades have made of
the general level of intelligence
in this country

keep voting for democrats
it’s good for you

prestigio on February 3, 2013 at 9:02 pm

Spot on article. I’m having a good little laugh at the power outage. Be a real shame if it screwed up the game and profits.lol Can’t stand the way the media and general public just suck Ray Lewis up every way they can. Oh, he can play so good! He can play so good! He’s our guy! Stay classy Ravens fans. Like all the heroin addicts that roam your streets, committing all the crime in the area. Stay classy. Like when Vick went to Philly, they loved him right away. Nice cesspool they have there too.

samurai on February 3, 2013 at 9:10 pm


A well written article as usual. Yet another example of how moral standards have been eroding in our society. Like many fans I enjoy watching football, however I’m tired of listening to all the ESPN talking heads as they continually gush over Lewis’ leadership abilities and religious zealotry or Lewis’ comments on “How G*D had a plan for the Ravens”

Peter on February 3, 2013 at 9:38 pm

Of course it was a fantastic, exciting game. It was on its way to being a blowout, but we can’t have that ’cause people would tune out and not see the commercials. So, the choreography has San Fran-sypho stage the comeback, and then, die at the three yard line on three straight incomplete passes.

The game was on a TV at the restaurant we went to, but I had us seated, purposefully, where we couldn’t see it. The only part of the game I saw was the second half kickoff return for a Baltimore touchdown. It was at that point I knew that the ‘Niners would come back but that the comeback would fall short. You know, if I didn’t know better I’d swear that some of these games are kinda like they’re fixed or something.

CornCoLeo on February 3, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    If you’re implying there was fix, that would be the ultimate cynicism. No way it was fixed. I don’t buy it for a second.

    rocker on February 4, 2013 at 12:16 am


    I don’t think it’s overly cynical to notice how SF mysteriously died on three incomplete passes. And, the almost comeback. And, the no-calls, and the missed calls, and the timeout called after the play clock had run out.

    But, then, with a league composed mostly of thugs, it’s a lot easier to play dirty, right?

    Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, fans.

    Red Ryder on February 4, 2013 at 8:39 am

Took me one play to see the game was fixed. Not sure in whose favor at that time, but yeah, it was fixed. I agree with CCL at 11:43 pm…’choreography’

theShadow on February 4, 2013 at 12:49 am

The great Ray Lewis came out and proved that with God guiding you, no one can stop you! It really doesn’t matter whether he’s a Christian or anything else! What is important is that the great Ray Lewis has taken the opportunity that has been given to him and has shared his blessing with all those that surround him. Ray is a man that proves the will of the man upstairs. God doesn’t care how you worship him! It’s what’s inside that counts. You can lint the finger at the great ray Lewis and continue to call him a murderer, but that experience changes him in so many ways. He has inspired his team mates and molded many if then into great men as he has taken them under his wings! He might have a few children out of wedlock with a few different women, but he is a loving and good father to all those children.

Today is a day to celebrate the accomplishment of the Baltimore ravens as a team and the inspiration that has guided them and led them to glory. Harbaugh is a great coach and ray Lewis probably one of the best leaders and teammates in all sports. Oj Brigance exemplified this team!

Looking back the run to this championship will be seen as one of the best in nfl history! A true fairy tale story scripted by the man upstairs in the purple limousine!

Kershaw on February 4, 2013 at 1:06 am

    Sure he encourages other teammates to be great men, just like that other thug Terrell Suggs. Check him out Kershaw. He’d be another idiot you’d pee your pants over to meet.

    WilliamMunny on February 4, 2013 at 8:44 am

      T Suggs is a great player, but he’s no Ray Lewis especially not when it comes to leadership and motivation

      Kershaw on February 4, 2013 at 7:43 pm

Our President, and a number of liberals have spoken of the evils of football. I wonder if they will include Lewis and the other thugs as one of those evils.

And let’s remember to include a special letters section for people with IQs lower than 80. Their comments shouldn’t be mixed with those of people who have adult cognitive skills.

Little Al on February 4, 2013 at 2:05 am

    There is nothing evil about the NFL! It is more American than apple pie and the best run league in the world! I remember after the tragedies of 9/11, it was the NFL that first allowed us to regain some normalcy back in our lives!

    These playoffs were pretty solid all around and the run that the Baltimore ravens had which culminated in a storybook brother vs brother Harbaugh bowl was truly epic.

    The great Ray Lewis should be praised for all those he has inspired and motivated to become better! The final chapter of his nfl career was written in the stars a long time ago, yesterday he made it a reality. As some haters jealously bad mouth this champion, he can proudly ride out into the sunset with his head held high. A great football player, a great leader, a great motivator, and a great father! Next stop for Ray Lewis, the pro football Hall of Fame!

    Kershaw on February 4, 2013 at 7:44 am

      Yessir, I know someone who stole the life savings of an elderly couple. He claimed later that he had changed and wouldn’t do it any more, but didn’t give the money back. A wonderful person now.

      But I guess it takes an IQ of at least 81 to appreciate the irony, so I won’t try to explain it.

      Little Al on February 4, 2013 at 8:24 am

      Normalcy? I don’t suppose you mean ‘normality’ –I’ll bet you’re also against standardized testing.

      Little Al on February 4, 2013 at 9:15 am

        No I meant normalcy: Pronunciation: \?n?r-m?l-s?\
        Function: noun
        Inflected Form(s): plural nor·mal·cies
        : the state or fact of being normal

        Get a life

        Kershaw on February 4, 2013 at 11:03 am

          Kershaw, if you’re going to write under different names, remember that ‘get a life’ gives you away.

          Little Al on February 4, 2013 at 11:30 pm

        Kershaw thinks “normalcy” is a word. It’s actually a made up word that has become mainstream. I think Herbert Hoover made it up. The correct word is “normality”.

        lexi on February 4, 2013 at 12:44 pm

        Little Al: Kershaw thinks “normalcy” is a word. It’s actually a made up word that has become mainstream. I think Herbert Hoover made it up. The correct word is “normality”.

        lexi on February 4, 2013 at 12:45 pm

          NORMALCY is a word as it is in the English dictionary! But I did some research and here’s the scoop:

          It won the presidential election for Warren G. Harding in 1920: normalcy, a word that he rescued from obscurity. After the disruption of the World War, Harding said on the campaign trail, it was time to get back to normal: “America’s present need is not heroics but healing; not nostrums but normalcy; not revolution but restoration.” He repeated the word in his inaugural address the next year: “Our supreme task is the resumption of our onward, normal way…. We must strive to normalcy to reach stability.”

          Normalcy was popular with the voters. But since it was a newly prominent word uttered by a politician, reactions to normalcy were mixed. Language purists sneered that Harding’s word was a mistake for normality. They explained that -ity is the usual suffix for words like normal, while -cy is only attached to words that end in t, as in democracy from democrat. However, there were language purists among Harding’s supporters too, and they found normalcy lurking in dictionaries and articles as far back as 1857, attracting no criticism (or attention of any sort) before Harding used it.

          The normalcy debate of the 1920s is now long gone, and normalcy is now more normal than normality to describe the way things usually are or the way we think they ought to be. After Harding, however, politicians have been less eager to use the word in their slogans, perhaps because Harding’s normalcy led to the Teapot Dome scandal, perhaps because normalcy is hard to determine in our MULTICULTURAL (1941) world.

          Kershaw on February 4, 2013 at 7:41 pm

          lexi, P’Shaw doesn’t understand that today’s dictionaries are descriptive and not normative. If enough yahoos say a “word” it becomes standard English.

          skzion on February 4, 2013 at 10:46 pm

          Lexi, good to hear from you again. I remember you used to make a lot of comments in the past.

          I think you are absolutely right — “Normalcy” is not the preferred word, no matter what Kershaw regurgitates from whatever obscure internet site he has found.

          And I’d take Harding any day over FDR, LBJ and JFK for the most part, Ford, Carter, Clinton and Obama. Why doesn’t Ker5shaw tell us about how FDR supported all the Southern segregationists, and contributed to the death of millions of Jews.

          Little Al on February 4, 2013 at 11:35 pm

U.S. sports fans don’t care about who that guy killed or how many kids he’s had by whoever.

RT on February 4, 2013 at 2:38 am

The sports cult in America has grown into a sickening spectacle. Fans willing to overlook virtually anything their “heroes” do off of the playing field. The amount of money lavished upon these street thugs, many of whom should be in prison, bears witness to this repulsive sports-lust. I’m sure some of these fans would gladly offer up their daughters to Ray for a night of sexual abuse in exchange for an autograph. The cognitive effect this adulation has on the players is telling. They become princes and kings in their own minds.

They all make me sick. I didn’t watch one second of that trash last night.

Dilbert Delaney on February 4, 2013 at 8:07 am


As to calling oneself “Christian,” no one controls the brand. Pity.

R: I agree. That’s why I said “so-called Christian.” When I think of Christians, I certainly don’t think of him. I respect Christians. He isn’t one. Anyone can call themselves whatever they want, which is why I pointed out that his behavior is not that of a real Christian. DS

Red Ryder on February 4, 2013 at 9:13 am

“And it was literally in passing as he passed by on his way to the two girls he was “dating” (euphemism) on my hall, my freshman year at the University of Michigan, when he was a senior.”

How old where you? It seems like the math doesn’t add up? You must have been a teenager when he graduated. Just curious?

Mr Phinney on February 4, 2013 at 9:56 am

The Ravens have become the 21st century version of what the Raiders used to be: a collection of thugs who get away with cheap hits, criminal behavior, et al. yeah, there are some good players on their team but they’re overshadowed by the pukes. The only class act is their coach, John Harbaugh.

BTW….terrible officiating for a Super Bowl but that’s what you get when you let PC, Affirmative NO-Action, get in the way of the most qualified. It was a clear cut hold and pass interference on the 4th and goal for San Fran that may have won the game; they should have had a fresh set of downs but got hosed.

So let the Ravens fans enjoy their brief bask in the sunshine….they won’t repeat for another 12 years.

IceNoMore on February 4, 2013 at 9:59 am


    You saw that too, huh? Either poor officiating, affirmative action, or fixed—or a little of all three. As Hillary Clinton might say: What difference does that make at this point?

    Even Phil Simms was making excuses, saying that it is “human nature not to make these calls toward the end of a game.” (In the Super Bowl) REALLY?

    Red Ryder on February 4, 2013 at 10:06 am

Ray Lewis, a role model for black men, is he not?

Bobguzzardi on February 4, 2013 at 10:33 am

Despair not. G_d’s justice will come, and it will be durable.

Lewis is not the problem, but the symptom of the problem so amply demonstrated by Kershaw above (and I believe that’s “aura” not “ora”). We are a society enamored with bread and circuses, fascinated by epic battles of grown men chasing a ball while Rome burns. We deserve our fate.

Pete on February 4, 2013 at 10:48 am

How soon we judgemental “cultural” Christians forget the actions of the people in the book we deem holy. If so-called thug Ray Lewis is flaunting his religiousity, he’s in good company:

Did Ray Lewis offer his daughters to a crowd of men to be raped? Well…no…that was Lot.
Did Ray Lewis sleep with his wife’s young hot servant girl and have a baby by her? No, that was Abraham.
Did Ray Lewis sleep with a married woman, get her pregnant, and then arrange for the husband’s death? No, that was King David, called “a man after God’s own heart”.
Did Ray Lewis murder a man and then hide his body in the sand? No, that was Moses….
Did Ray Lewis get sloppy drunk and then place lifetime curses on his own sons? No, that was Noah…
Did Ray Lewis walk with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, but then punk out on Him THREE times when he was ask about Him? No, that was SAINT Peter…
So Ray Lewis has six kids out of wedlock…not good. But did Ray Lewis have 50-dozen wives, concubines, hoes, have countless “illegitimate” kids, and even had “relations with that woman”, the Queen of Sheba while he was married to other women? No, that was the wise King Solomon…

So if Ray Lewis is now claiming to be walking with GOD, he’s following a long tradition of VERY imperfect beings worshipping a perfect GOD…

Melyssa on February 4, 2013 at 10:50 am


    So much for your flower child theology. We are called to be perfect. The fact that no one is, does not mean that we can’t point it out.

    Indeed, that’s why those people are in the Bible!

    Funny how you didn’t mention that Lewis is still completely unrepentant–unlike every single one of the figures you cited.

    Try taking this beyond preschool, if you can.

    Red Ryder on February 4, 2013 at 10:58 am

      @Red Ryder, there are some people on this site who make some very racially bigoted statements, yet they call themselves Christians….and they probably are. I am not in a position to know their relationship with Christ if they did as Romans 10:9 instructed us to do. And these people are unrepentent about their bigotry (which a form of idolatry). Yet these people somehow place themselves in a position to “judge” Ray Lewis for his sins and judge his relationship with Christ. They perpetrate the myth that one has to be “good” to have a relationship with Christ. If Ray Lewis is a Christian, but is still unrepentant about those murders, then God will deal with him on it quite severely. Once we know better, GOD does expect us to do better. But let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone…

      Melyssa on February 4, 2013 at 11:24 am

      Don’t worry over it—the thrust made by Melyssa is about as useful as his tacit predicate , . . . in a word, Melyssa has no idea as to why decent people don’t use scobbed together arguments of moral equivalence, . . . Melyssa doesn’t know that, you can’t hide someone behind dirty laundry, nor also, can you hide behind someone else’s dirty laundry (Not even Melyssa would think to hide behind his own dirty laundry.), . . . and concomitant variations of the same unwisdom, . . . but don’t tell him, if he wished to know, why then would so know, . . . people like that are best left in their own choice of shadow and darkening, . . .

      PhillipGaley on February 8, 2013 at 8:00 pm

I guess it is too much to expect people educated in our dumbed-down environment today to have any type of sense of proportion.

Did Ray Lewis provide a set of God’s Laws that has endured for thousands of years? Did he do any of the other virtuous things that the people in the Bible did? If you mention the bad things, why not balance them with the good things. There are plenty of them for the Biblical figures but Lewis has none of them. But I guess you need at least 4th grade skills to understand proportion.

Little Al on February 4, 2013 at 11:01 am

Little Al,

One thing I love about the Bible is that is never attempts to cover up the flaws of its characters, some of which were quite serious. It is GOD that gets the glory, not men. Because we as human beings are highly unstable. You don’t need to be perfect to follow God, so I’m not in a position to judge Ray Lewis’ relationship with God, even if he is a big-time thug.

Have you spent time with Ray Lewis? When it comes to virtuous actions, how do you know he has, as you put it, “none of them”? Are you present when he’s with his family? Are you in the locker room with he and his teammates? In other words, are YOU in a position to know what “virtuous” things Ray Lewis has or has not done? I’m sure the family of the man King David had killed weren’t exactly convinced of David’s virtue either, but he still was said to be “a man after God’s own heart”….

Melyssa on February 4, 2013 at 11:13 am


    Yes, David was a man after God’s own heart–until his free will screwed that all up. God didn’t mind at all, right? Except for killing the first child formed of the illicit union, and condemning the house of David to misery ever after.

    Red Ryder on February 4, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Ha, ha, ha, Melyssa, Rat Ray, in his post game presser, said he put his hands on Jacoby Jones, inferring that he, Ray Lewis, has the POWER to, and as the spokesperson for Jesus, to make it so that Jacoby Jones return a kickoff 109 yards. Freakin’ amazin’.

    WilliamMunny on February 4, 2013 at 6:16 pm

But I really shouldn’t be surprised at Melyssa’s nuttiness. After all, the PC nitwits have been smearing Washington, Lincoln, Columbus, Churchill, etc. I guess they are expanding to the Bible now, to try further to weaken the civilized traditions of the West. This is what it means for the Democrats to try to win Christians, including Evangelicals.

Little Al on February 4, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Melyssa — a texbook case in moral relativism. Who are we to judge anyone else? Fortunately I do not know Ray Lewis. But it is the height of dumbness to compare people like King David with Ray Lewis, a thug with no redeeming features. But this is what liberals do — a reductionism applied to any worthwhile cultural, historical or religious figure, trying subtly to erode our traditions. Just like US History, emphasis the bad, real or make-believe, while ignoring the good.

    And I guess that interpretation of the Bible is somewhat narcissistic, as it allows people like Melyssa to disregard their shortcomings and rationalize them.

    Little Al on February 4, 2013 at 11:31 am

      Little Al, GOD is not mocked…we are going to sow what we reap. People see Ray Lewis dancing and winning a Superbowl and think he has gotten away with murder. No, he has not. Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord. If he is indeed guilty of murder, he may have gotten away with it in “society”, but he still has to deal with God’s punishment, especially if he is claiming to be a man of faith. But I am not in a position to judge his salvation…that’s between him and Christ.

      Of course I can compare Ray Lewis to King David. The Bible is presented so we can compare our faith walk to that of those in the Bile. I’ve seen some Christians come to near suicide over mistakes they’ve made in their life, and I have to point out to them that not even the greatest men and women of God in the Bible lived mistake-free lives. From Samson to Peter, the Bible presents people with all of their warts. But since only 10% of American Christians even study their Bible on a regular basis, they follow a form of cultural Christianity based on what they THINK Christianity is (like being “nice and good” all the time) instead of what is actually is….

      Melyssa on February 4, 2013 at 11:43 am

Thanks DS for saying exactly what this guy is!

Jay Bird on February 4, 2013 at 11:17 am

Many of the characters in the Bible, including several wise men, are rather flawed by any historical standards. One need not be a “flower child” to recognize as much.

Seek on February 4, 2013 at 11:43 am


    The flower child aspect of this is to use the Bible to push moral relativism.

    Red Ryder on February 4, 2013 at 12:04 pm


Grab a clue, please. When you call someone “judgmental,” you yourself are being judgmental.

Red Ryder on February 4, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Red Ryder, I have enough of a “clue” to recognize that many of the men GOD used in the Bible weren’t exactly choirboys. And that in today’s feminized “be a good boy” Christianity, rough men with rough past who proclaim the glory of God are somehow “suspect” and their salvation is questioned.

    Melyssa on February 4, 2013 at 12:33 pm


      As I understand it, the proscription against “judgment” refers primarily to conjecture regarding someone’s salvation. However, I don’t think we are prevented from calling someone like Ray Lewis a scumbag–for what he does in this mortal coil.

      And, for that matter, also questioning the morons who follow and worship these clowns.

      After all, Jesus Himself spent more than one-third of His time in the gospels calling people names and rebuking them. Nice guys don’t get crucified.

      Red Ryder on February 4, 2013 at 12:58 pm

        @Red Ryder, you’re right. Evil should be called out and Ray Lewis may indeed be a scumbag. And the way we worship sports and sports stars(me included!) can definitely be a form of idolatry! But there was an implication by some of the commentators who called themselves “Christian” that because Ray Lewis is a big bad black man with a bad past, that he somehow can’t be “one of us”. I have have news for them. As long as he has followed the dictates of Romans 10:9, he may very well be “one of them”. We don’t get into Heaven based on how “good” we are…we get into Heaven based on God’s grace and our acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. No one is “good” enough to get into Heaven on their own. I don’t know how much of the dirt Ray Lewis did was done before his profession of Christ, and how much was done after his salvation experience. He’ll have to answer to God for that, because once you know better, you’re supposed to do better. But as I heard a minister say the other day, “If you make it to Heaven, one thing you can be rest assured of…you’re really going to be surprised by who’s there and who’s not!”

        Melyssa on February 4, 2013 at 1:50 pm

Melyssa and Little Al
You do realize your are both arguing the same point?

pete bone on February 4, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Very good point, Pete!

    Melyssa on February 4, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    should be you are

    pete bone on February 4, 2013 at 12:17 pm

It’s an interesting question, and I’m not claiming to take either position, but do these guys get paid too much? On the one hand there’s the amount of money the league makes, coupled with the fact that on any play, in any game, a player’s career and livelihood could be ended by a catastrophic injury. On the other hand, is the devolution of the sport into something more like professional wrestling a symptom of the outrageous salaries these guys make. It’s an attraction, a spectacle, not a sport.

I think I just answered my own question and will take the position that the players should be paid all they can bargain for out of the teams. The devolution of the game is due to the fan. If they are willing to pay to see Barnum and Bailey, or WWF, then the performers can sit back and laugh at them as they count their millions.

A popular player from the sixties was the subject of an article I read way back in the 70’s. Years after retiring he came to the stadium to watch a game. He didn’t watch from a booth, but down in the regular stadium seating. His observation was that if he knew, back when he was still playing, what was going on in the stands (drunken brawling, people smoking weed, etc) then he never would have played pro football. Ya think the fans are any smarter today? Ya’ think the players care about the devolution of the sport from game to spectacle?

CornCoLeo on February 4, 2013 at 12:19 pm

Thanks Debbie you hit the nail on the head about the “great” Ray Ray Lewis. For the record I fell asleep and didn’t watch the rest of the game. I saw on ESPN and heard on talk radio this morning that the Baltiwhore Ravens won. Yippee! Being a Steelers fan I have no love for the Ravens or that mutt Lewis. He is the typical black atheletic scumbag that seems to be prevalent in today’s NFL. In a league full of murders, attempted murders, drug addicts, serial adulterers, baby daddies, and dog lovers is there any wonder that this bozo is celebrated. From what I read about him especially what he did 2000 this clown should be in jail rotting. Instead he’s a “champion”. Whatever. I heard that the game sucked especially the officiating. I also heard that Beyonce(Mitches)Knowle’s halftime crapfest sucked. That’s poetic justice in my book as she is a loud mouthed airhead. Oh and BTW it is reported that the lowgrade Odummer supporters aka Ray Lewis fans were trying to blame the blackout on Jindal or Bush. Now that doesn’t suprise me in the least.

Ken b on February 4, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    A Steelers fan has no right to criticize Ray Lewis! Need I remind you that your two time Superbowl QB and future HAll of Famer Big Ben Roethlisberger (spelling might be off) is just as much of rapist as Ray Lewis is a murderer! Stop being a hypocrite! Also, that halftime show wasn’t that bad compared to the one by Madonna last year and the black eyed peas a few years back.

    Kershaw on February 6, 2013 at 11:43 pm

The only person I despise more than Lewis in the NFL is Vick. Both disgusting, murderous thugs rewarded by the broken system run in to the ground by Goodell.

DS_ROCKS! on February 4, 2013 at 2:00 pm

For those that compare Ray Lewis with David and Peter and the others in the Bible, there is one big difference. The Bible doesn’t gloss over David’s and Peter’s transgressions. The Bible doesn’t say, “King David’s actions happened a long time ago so why are you bringing that up now?” The Bible doesn’t say, “Ignore Peter’s sins because he was a great athlete.”

The Bible says what those men did – which will never happen in Lewis’ case because he hid the truth. When it came time for Peter to be killed, he insisted that he be crucified upside down because the manner of Jesus’ death was too good for Peter. Peter accepted responsibility. He didn’t simply say the words, “I accept responsibility.”

These Bible comparisons don’t help Lewis, because much remains hidden.

salt1907 on February 4, 2013 at 2:41 pm

Beyonce avoided the risk of a wardrobe malfunction by not wearing one.

CornCoLeo on February 4, 2013 at 3:02 pm

It wouldn’t surprise me if some of these Biblical comments were from the Ravens’ PR machine. They probably figured that religious Christians would take exception to Lewis, and were prepared with the drivel that we have been plagued with on this site. And of course PR/advertising is based on lies, distortions and half-truths.

The only thing I really need to add is the disingenuous use of the word ‘compare’ conflating its dual meanings of ‘contrast’ and ‘equate’. It would really be odd to see such a persistent campaign to exonerate Lewis based on Biblical distortions if people weren’t getting paid to do it.

Little Al on February 4, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Little Al, I’m glad you mentioned “religious Christians”. Guess who gave Christ the most hell back in the day? The hard core “religious” folks like the Pharisees and their followers. Notice Christ didn’t choose any “religious” men to be among his 12 diciples? And after Christ’s death and ressurection, a hardcore “religious” man who murdered and persecuted Christians was turned was converted and became one of His greated followers (Saul to Paul). But he gave Christians absolute hell before that in the name of his faith. “Religious” people can be among the worst…

    And if I’m part of the Ravens PR machine, then they need to come up with some cash, because I’ve been working for free!

    Melyssa on February 4, 2013 at 5:06 pm

      Talk is cheap on the Internet. I think you’re either part of it, or have been brainwashed by them.

      And we’ve had enough of your anti-Semitic drivel.

      Little Al on February 4, 2013 at 6:08 pm

        @Little Al–

        With all due respect…I don’t see how what Melyssa is posting is anti-semitic.

        Red Ryder on February 4, 2013 at 6:43 pm

          I see Melyssa still hasn’t figured out how to spell her own name.

          Red Ryder, Little Al might be referring to Melyssa’s nasty proselytizing, which she does not even have the decency to do in a forthright manner. M. also implicitly lectures Jews based on Christian doctrine, which she doesn’t even understand very well. She probably does understand mainstream Christianity in one respect, i.e, in believing that Jews will go to Hell cuz they lack a pass from Jesus. I’d suggest in response that her actions against Jews will land her in Gehinnom.

          Anyway, on so many fundamental points (some of which you have made) she’s way off base.

          Melyssa not only fails to understand “judge not lest ye be judged,” it’s also plain that her Gospels have loads of judging going on, not about salvation, but certainly about evildoing. For the first time ever, I’ve Googled for some examples from Christian texts:


          Lewis is a scum whose behavior needs to be brought up regularly. Melyssa’s laughable apologia for him deserves only contempt.

          skzion on February 4, 2013 at 7:23 pm

          In addition to what skzion said, whenever I see comments about the terrible Pharisees, I just think ‘another attack on the Jews’. Not such a long path from attacking the Pharisees as Jesus’ worst enemies to the thousands of years of international antisemitism.

          Little Al on February 4, 2013 at 11:40 pm

Let those without sin cast the first stone…. Get a life people!

Noneya on February 4, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    Nonentity, you’re misusing that as well.

    Anyway, Debbie is not bound by your Gospels.

    skzion on February 4, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    ‘get a life’ one of Kershaw’s favorite expressions

    Little Al on February 5, 2013 at 1:51 pm

      If I have something to say I’ll say it myself. I don’t need to post as an imposter!

      Off topic though, where is Skunky these days? I miss her silly nicknames like Obama-Putin and Libtard just to mention a few. Ever since Iran allegedly sent that monkey to space she has been nowhere to be found! In her honor I’ve come up with a few nicknames for her; Skunky-Monkey or Skunky the space Monkey. They both roll off the tongue so well, wherever she is I hope she’s pretending to not read!! We miss you!

      Kershaw on February 6, 2013 at 12:45 am

Well, since I’m writing on an unusual subject (for me), I might as well comment on M’s statement:

“We don’t get into Heaven based on how “good” we are…we get into Heaven based on God’s grace and our acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.”

Salvation by faith, huh? If I recall my Calvin and Luther correctly, while acts cannot confer grace (given original sin), a series of shameful acts indicates that one is not of the elect.


skzion on February 4, 2013 at 7:31 pm

MELYSSA!! How dare you come on this website and use common sense? Around here only prejudice is accepted as the norm and everyone in this great country is Doomed until we can free ourselves from the tyranny of our own government.

Remember democracy only works if OUR guy wins! Otherwise it’s a conspiracy run by the Islamists, single moms and illegal aliens!

People like Skunky, Skzion, Canadian Steve, Frankz, Lil Al, Red Ryder and company all have PHDs from McDuh University, the school that lacks common sense!

Kershaw on February 4, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    Oh P’Shaw, if you had common sense you’d not spend so much time writing crapola that virtually no one reads. And no, I didn’t read your comment, I just glanced at it and noticed my nick and “common sense.”

    skzion on February 4, 2013 at 10:55 pm

@Kershaw, while I do enjoy their well made knives, I don’t agree with your typical idol worship of the NFL g*ds. If the NFL was so great why is it that so many players and staff either wander around, spit, or otherwise act disrespectfully during the National Anthem? Because so many of them didn’t care about 9/11 as you chose to use as an example. Jeremy Shockey made the observation that many of the opposing teams players at a game were not paying their respects to the flag or the National Anthem. Their defense? Wus he doin watchin us? Stuff like that is impossible to ignore as are all the felons you choose to pay so much respect to. That’s why a lot of people think football isn’t all that great anymore. Assh-les like Ray Lewis and all the phony Christians like him.

samurai on February 4, 2013 at 8:43 pm


The acceptance and glorification of sports/entertainment figures has, sadly, grown exponentially with the explosion of mass communications. Or, to put it another way, that day in March, 2010 when Facebook overtook Google as the most visited website should have been a big wake-up call.

Imagine: The information superhighway changed from a source of vast knowledge, to little more than a wank.

But, then, that’s human nature for you…
We started off in paradise, and screwed that one up, too.

BTW, when did tolerance morph to you can’t say anything bad about Black folks (even if it’s true)?


Red Ryder on February 5, 2013 at 8:31 am

    Red Ryder, I very rarely use Facebook, but I still acknowledge it as an extremely powerful tool. It’s a great way to not only keep in contact with all kinds of friends and acquaintances you make in life, it also allows you to keep up with them without having to go out of your way to do so! Facebook also allows you to rapidly spread the word on any event whether it be private or public. For advertisers it allows you to target specific demographics!

    I can understand the frustrations that you might have, especially with those who are Facebook obsessed, but the same can be said for Twitter and any other social media! I see them as a great complement to the web!

    20 years ago you couldn’t personally trash talk any public figures unless you somehow had access to them. Now you can give people a piece of your mind and if they respond to you or repost your message, at least you know your message is being heard!

    Kershaw on February 5, 2013 at 11:02 am

@RR,Good points. Too true. Fortunately we still can use the net for information otherwise not as readily available. Like some of the cases of western tourists being abused abroad not being covered in our own media. English news does cover stuff ours has intentionally ignored as un PC for years. The rapes in Acapulco, the Peruvian villagers that pounced on a group passing through, etc. It’s not surprising that when Ray Lewis does something and it is covered, it’s still not enough to get fans to loath him. But as Debbie pointed out, a Dan Marino love child surfaces and it’s off to the races! A dirty player like the Lions Suh still garners endorsements. Certainly the double standard is alive and well. Chicago has more violent crime than trashcanistan and the news focuses on Sandy Hook and a stupid astronaut armed with lies and a stupid barely recovered wife. Take care.

samurai on February 5, 2013 at 12:00 pm

Kind of hard to get a life when you’ve been murdered Nonce-Yah.
When we start confusing murder with adultery then we’ll be Muslim you idiot but we’re not that far gone yet, so get lost slag.

Frankz on February 5, 2013 at 3:04 pm

@Noneya, Biatch

Frankz on February 5, 2013 at 3:06 pm

@Kershaw, you’re really even more stupid than I thought you were but I’m glad you finally figured out how to use Facebook.
Peace out creep.

Frankz on February 5, 2013 at 3:14 pm

I rooted AGAINST San Fransisco where anti-Semitism and Israel-hatred prevails.

The murderer Ray Lewis, will ultimately be brought to justice just as OJ was ultimately brought to justice.

There is NO Santa Claus on February 5, 2013 at 10:49 pm

Little surprised at this article, because it just doesn’t go with the facts. Baby daddy to multiple mammas? Absolutely?. Murderer? Not really close. I remember the trial and commentators on CNN and Court TV wondering why Lewis was even charged given the evidence presented. The prosecution never pegged him as the knife wielder, or even claimed it in their charging documents. Lewis was charged with murder on the allegation that he was involved in a fight where two men were stabbed. However, the prosecution’s witnesses essentially confirmed Lewis’ own version of events: that he wasn’t involved in the actual fight. His testimony was pretty damning after he began cooperating. He confirmed he saw one of the men striking one of the victims in the chest, and another who after the fight was recounting to Lewis that he hit “them”, all while holding a knife. The problem with that entire case was that no one, not even the victims’ friends, could ID someone who used a knife and “saw” the stabbings. Hence, his former co-defendants were acquitted. In one way that was surprising, because those two men were absolutely involved in the fight, and two men died. On the other hand, the facts showed that the victims initiated the attack by cracking one of the accused over the head with a bottle and later shot up Ray Lewis’ limo. I don’t know if the jurors were interviewed, but I have got to think they probably let the other two off at least in part based on self-defense, as the defense attorneys kept hinting at the gun being present.

Normally, people on this site are really well informed with their arguments. This one is a little silly. All that said, an earlier poster hit the nail on the head about how in this culture we glorify athletes and overlook their failings. Having multiple children out of wedlock is the exact opposite of a role model. As to Lewis’ religious beliefs, I don’t doubt them, he seems pretty charitable, and I don’t think he’s the only Christian to have regularly engaged in pre-marital sex. With athletes, the sad truth is that many women see the $ signs and want to get pregnant. Still, it is a horrible example to the many kids that, for better or worse, look up to athletes.

please on February 6, 2013 at 8:11 pm

I really couldn’t care less who wins tonight’s Super Bowl.


Sorry that the Ravens won. Actually, I’m not sorry. Go Ravens!

One little point, as a lawyer, you should know that you’re only guilty if proven guilty by a judge or a jury of your peers.

Glad you weren’t his lawyer, because Ray Lewis is no murderer.

I’m willing to bet Ray Lewis has done more for other people than most of the haters who have posting on this website.

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