September 30, 2013, - 2:44 pm

ObamaCare Already Failing – Tons of Problems, Snags Reported; What Took House GOP So Long to Oppose?

By Debbie Schlussel

With ObamaCare crap about to hit the fan, the government is already showing signs that this is a tsunami of incompetence and idiocy about to take place. And I include the House Republicans–who waited until the last minute to do anything to stop it–among incompetents and idiots, along with the entire cornucopia of Obama Administration boobs.


Bend Over for Dr. Barry

I don’t give any credit to the House Republicans who finally found the testicles, at T-Minus-Five-Minutes, to oppose and try to defund ObamaCare. Where the heck were they when they actually could have stopped and defunded it? Now, it is too late. They will not stop it from happening. You know the drill: Either the government shuts down temporarily until the House GOP gives in (they always cave) or House Republicans cave before the shutdown. Either way, unfortunately, the ObamaCare health exchanges will start, if not Tuesday, then soon. And some reports say ObamaCare will proceed EVEN WITH the shutdown. You can thank John Boehner, Eric Cantor, and all the House GOPers who re-elected them into the “leader”ship of the House for this. When they could have raised hell and actually accomplished something, they didn’t. They ran on this, and then never did a thing until now, when they had years to stop this. This last minute stuff–while I wish it will stop ObamaCare–is too little, too late. And it’s just grandstanding for use in re-election bids.

And then there are the glitches and admitted unpreparedness by the government for what is about to come in this disaster called ObamaCare. Check this out from today’s Wall Street Journal:

Obama administration officials scrambling to get the health law’s insurance marketplaces ready to open on Tuesday keep hitting technical problems, while government-funded field workers across the country say they aren’t fully prepared to help Americans enroll in the program.

Implementation of the law is expected to proceed even if the government partially shuts down because Congress fails to pass the necessary spending bills. But insurers, who are counting on the law to usher in new customers, say that even short-lived quirks could sour Americans on participating. That could deter people who are on the fence about buying coverage—especially young, healthy people needed to make the law work.

Nonprofit groups and brokers that will help enroll consumers in the marketplaces, known as exchanges, say they haven’t yet had a chance to preview the systems. Technical problems have limited certification for some nonprofit workers involved. And some of these groups say they haven’t fully staffed up for the influx.

[Emphasis added.]

Morons. Whoever heard of a major system like this overhauling our healthcare that isn’t previewed and tested first? Only in American government! This is a major programming servicing over 300 million Americans, and they haven’t fully staffed up? What the hell? Who does this? The government, that’s who.

Now read this absurdity:

The exchange software that determines whether people get the subsidies was returning accurate determinations about two-thirds of the time late Friday, up from less than 50% earlier in the week, one person familiar with the development said.

CGI Group Inc., the contractor developing the software, declined to comment.

Gee, I wonder why. This system gets things wrong 1/3 of the time?! That’s unacceptable in the real world. Obama Claus promised us this would end the red tape and help all Americans have affordable care. Really? And yet it makes things fail for one out of every three people up from one out of every two people? Wow, thank Heavens for small favors.

Regardless of how well the online aspects of the exchanges work, people will be able to sign up using paper applications.

Yay, let’s hear it for regressing to the Stone Age. What an improvement over online healthcare providers we had in the free market! I mean, why have healthcare for the Jetson Age when you can go back to the Flintstones!

And here’s some more stuff to inspire confidence in ObamaCare:

In the final hours before the launch, Highmark Inc. Chief Executive William Winkenwerder said he hadn’t expected so many question marks about the exchanges being functional on the first day. Highmark, which operates Blue Cross and Blue Shield plans in Delaware, Pennsylvania and West Virginia, has staffed up in anticipation of problems with the exchanges. “We’re as prepared as we can be, given the state of affairs,” Mr. Winkenwerder said.

The people who are supposed to help enroll Americans if the computer systems don’t work properly aren’t fully ready either. Health and Human Services awarded grants to navigators and is certifying others, such as social workers at community clinics, to help people enroll. But, the online certification programs were crashing because too many people were attempting to access them at the same time, according to insurance agents and navigators.

New hires at the Greater Phoenix Urban League Inc., a navigator, have been unable to access the training modules during working hours, when traffic is high, said David Aguirre, who is coordinating the nonprofit’s enrollment push. The problems improved over the weekend, he said.

Enrollment workers also say they haven’t yet had a chance to preview the tools they will be showing consumer how to use this week. “We don’t have any practice runs,” Mr. Aguirre said.

Yup, that’s what you do when you have government suddenly take over 1/7th of our economy: you don’t have any previews or practice runs. Uh-huh, that’s the ticket!

Thanks so much, Barack Obama, for your amazing ObamaCare. And thanks House Republicans for doing absolutely nothing to stop it until your last grandstanding opportunity arose.

If you liked Government Motors, you’ll love Goverment Healthcare.

G-d help us.

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59 Responses

Yes, the Republicans are acting shamefully. Romney barely mentioned Obamacare in his campaign, except for a few pro forma statements about abolishing it. But he never elaborated or made it a major issue.

The silliness of this campaign, and an indication that this is only meant for winning elections is the fact that Rubio is one of the leaders of this effort. Trying to recoup his ‘conservative’ credentials after working so hard for unrestricted illegal immigration. How can anyone who did that be the least bit conservative?

Little Al on September 30, 2013 at 3:13 pm

The House of Representatives should have taken the executive branch to court on the grounds that the law is unconstitutional, and here is why.

The first and so far only Supreme Court ruling on Obamanable Care said that the fees in the law were really taxes, not fees.

Well, according to the US Constitution, all bills involving taxes must commence in the House, and the Obamanable Care bill started in the Senate, not the House.

The law is causing medical device companies to move their factories offshore, which will cost thousands of jobs. Doctors are each spending tens of thousands of dollars to computerize their records as required by law.

Corporations are making a lot of full time jobs part time to avoid Obama care taxes and penalties and insurance requirements.

Companies that would otherwise move their factories back to America to take advantage of the lowest natural gas prices in the world are now leaving their factories in China to avoid the increased costs and regulations of Obamacare.

This is the price of “free” healthcare America, that so many of you still whine for. Morons.

Jonathan E. Grant on September 30, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    Great point, JEG, regarding constitutionality.

    skzion on September 30, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Bingo, JEG. That is one of the most important points people need to know (along with what happened to Chief Justice Roberts behind the scene…_.

    And Little Al, you are also correct. Great point.

    Skunky on September 30, 2013 at 6:40 pm

“What Took House GOP So Long to Oppose?”

I was stunned when the Affordable Care Act went through and that “you’ll have to pass it to find out what’s in it” Pelosi comment was just floated through the news unchallenged.

At first I thought it was that the GOP was afraid of being called “racist”, but when I learned that there was *zero* tort reform and that all of congress was exempt from Obamacare I sort of realized that most republican probably financially benefit from it one way or another.

DS_ROCKS! on September 30, 2013 at 3:36 pm

But I do sympathize with the Republicans in one regard — with more than half the population getting handouts, at the expense of the rest of us, there isn’t really much that they can do. No one will vote to stop their handouts.

Little Al on September 30, 2013 at 3:36 pm

But Romney and the Republicans should have been honest enough to acknowledge the facts about mass dependency. Those who do all the work to keep the economy and the country going are not without leverage.

Little Al on September 30, 2013 at 3:52 pm

Little Al, have you forgotten that Romney actually went to NAACP and said he will repeal Obummercare to the amazement of the Reifenstahl Media?
How about the fact that Romney had to start at zero while the prez had a 47% leg up on the race? 47% was a reference to the dependent a on government freebies. Yet the majority of American voters elected the one anyway, fraudulently or not. We’re stuck for another 3.25 years. Maybe a breath of fresh air will sweep in next year and allow the Reid man unlimited time to enjoy his Cowboy poetry shows….

Gino on September 30, 2013 at 4:07 pm

Debbie –

I usually agree with you but not this time!

Put the blame where it rightly rests – with the American people who decided to re-elect Obama last year along with an increased Democratic Senate majority, which all but ensured Obamacare would be kept in place.

The House GOP could never realistically get rid of it given the political reality. Americans wanted Obamacare come hell or high water and now they have to live with the consequences of re-electing Obama. I don’t have the slightest sympathy for them!

And blaming the GOP is not going to get it repealed in the foreseeable future.

NormanF on September 30, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Norman, while I’m happy to blame the American people, Obama Care has never been popular, and with proper leadership on the Republican side, it could have been trashed. But what do the Rep elites do? They clear the way for Mittens, whose own healthcare takeover made it impossible to make Obama Care a major issue in the campaign.

    Elections are not equally about all issues.

    The parties have basically colluded on this matter, it seems. They definitely have colluded in the illegals, and it is only a huge grassroots opposition on the Republican side, and less complete, but notable, opposition on the grassroots Democratic side that has kept us so far from another immigration “reform.”

    skzion on September 30, 2013 at 4:29 pm

      Yes, of course that was the biggest farce — running a candidate who had implemented an Obamacare program already. Shows the Republicans were not really so opposed at all.

      Little Al on September 30, 2013 at 5:16 pm

        Skzion and Little Al raise good points about Romney –

        I have this feeling nothing much would have changed if he had won. Americans are screwed both by horrible politicians and by the fact the very nature of our constitutional system makes it nearly impossible to get rid of a bad law.

        Obamacare is here and now its not going to fix the problems it promised to fix. And like the law of unintended consequences reminds us, the situation is going to get even worse. I’ve felt up to now Obamacare was going to be the prelude to single payer. After what Debbie has written, with the mess Obamacare is in, the good news is that if government is this screwed up, don’t expect it to run our national health care.

        Can it help you to see your doctor or lower your overall health care costs and right now its a long way from ever making good on either of those promises, with or without Obamacare.

        NormanF on September 30, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    Norman, I always appreciate your posts. I suspect a lot of corporations privately supported Obama and Obamacare so they could boot retirees off their health insurance rosters. There is no requirement that employers keep providing health insurance for retirees, so why not save a few million here and there by taking elderly people on a fixed income and throwing them into the exchanges for their Medicare supplement insurance. And this isn’t cheap, believe me!

    I know a few employers like IBM got a lot of press for doing this, and I believe they are actually going to provide a subsidy for their retirees to help with the costs. But my parents, who are 90 and have dementia, just got a letter that THEIR supplement insurance is going away January 1, and they have until December 1 to get their own insurance. There will NOT be a subsidy provided. I realize they have Medicare to provide some coverage, but even supplemental insurance is EXPENSIVE for someone who is 90!

    To add insult to injury, several of their doctors have announced that as of January 1 they are going to close their practices and retire (none of these docs are 65). They got a slew of letters last week, just as they discovered their supplemental insurance was going away. Before they contract for new insurance, they have to figure out what docs they want.

    My folks are fortunate that they have adult children who can help them understand and navigate all of this. What about the millions who don’t?

    Gee, thanks Obama…

    MIGirl on October 1, 2013 at 11:26 am

Gino, I realize that Romney had an uphill battle, and, in addition, was faced with massive fraud. He certainly did face a lot of challenges. But he was way too low-key in the debates, and he did not campaign on a sustained basis against Obamacare. I acknowledged in my 3:13 comment that Romney made a few symbolic comments against Obamacare.

But he was not serious. He did not make it a major theme, or give speeches or issue major position papers explaining in detail all the problems Obamacare would cause. The campaign was 99% about the economy. If he had criticized Obamacare with half the energy he spent in the primaries attacking his Republican opponents, the election might have been different. Of course he was right to make the economy a major issue, but it was not really the only major issue.

He might have still lsot. But at least he might have raised a few themes that could have been picked up on. Compare him now with Reagan after 1976. Romney has been virtually silent except for a few statements here and there that are not followed up on. Reagan was not quiet at all after 1976, e.g. the Panama Canal fight.

I am not optimistic about 2014. Obama had the worst record of any President in history, bar FDR and Wilson, but he still won. Just like FDR. Landon was a lackluster opponent, as were Willkie and Dewey.

Little Al on September 30, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Right on again, Little Al! I love reading your posts because you always get to the meat the the potatoes (and also Skzion…who also is laser beam sharp…especially on Israel…).

    It should NEVER be forgotten that Romney went flaccid on Obama-Putin but drove fellow GOPers to fits with his attack ads (especially Newt Gingrich). That said it all. You know what it means people, just be bold enough to shout it out loud.

    And Romney did saddle Moonbatty Massa(hole)chusetts with RomneyCare…thinking after GWB that’s where the tide of “Compassionate Conservatism” would go…and it was also a way to loop in the nutter Libtards to vote for him in a nutbag state in love with Donks.

    That ain’t ever gonna work again. The moonbats, still high from the 1st election of Obama-Putin in 2008 were happily asleep & drunk until fraud Scott Brown won in 2010. THAT woke ’em up and they are not napping anytime soon.

    If you don’t believe me you should realize that these freaks have all easily won elections since then…

    Fauxcahontas Elizabeth Warren (Senior Senator)
    Chevy Chase, MD denizen Edward Markey (Junior Senator)
    That red-headed dork Joe Kennedy III (Barney’s Frank seat)
    That crook John Tierney was easily and enthusiastically re-elected even after his wife and her family scammed MILLION$ in illegal gambling schemes. The Moonbats here wouldn’t even elect a gay GOP “moderate” (aka RINO) in lieu of him.

    The collection will be complete if Martha “Marsha” Coakley worms her way into the Governor’s seat once “Mini-Me” Deval Patrick blows this joint. Fun times.

    Skunky on September 30, 2013 at 7:04 pm

      “And Romney did saddle Moonbatty Massa(hole)chusetts with RomneyCare…thinking after GWB that’s where the tide of “Compassionate Conservatism” would go…and it was also a way to loop in the nutter Libtards to vote for him in a nutbag state in love with Donks.”

      Beautifully stated.

      DS_ROCKS! on September 30, 2013 at 7:21 pm

make the democrat party pigs
own it
ram it in their face and up their ass

they unilaterally forced it on
the american people in spite of
enormous popular opposition

they deserve as much disdain and mockery
as can be forced on them

they should be driven from office and
endlessly held up to public ridicule

prestigio on September 30, 2013 at 5:12 pm

“What took the GOP so long to oppose ..?”

The GOP is in on this. They’ve been in on it from the beginning. There is no two party system, there’s the fusion party .. the Party of Power and it fields two teams like the NFL has two Conferences. But the two Conferences belong to the National Football League. For our amusement and distraction.

The GOP is as guilty as the Democrats. Face up to that and life makes a lot more sense.

Jack on September 30, 2013 at 5:13 pm

Last night on Obamacare website.. it had “Where can I get free or low-cost care in my community?” The website showed me all the community health care centers in my town,where I could get health care based on my income. Today this opition has been removed and Obamacare search cannot find this opition ..

Steve on September 30, 2013 at 5:34 pm

Since Romney INVENTED Obamao-care by way of that despicable reprobate waste-of-skin Jonathon Grubman, he didn’t have much room to criticize it did he? “Insurance fraud” like “criminal attorney” is a redundancy. And while we’re pinning blame–How about the AP who for YEARS refused to use the word “mandate” and instead would only say, in passing and in the passive voice, and somewhere around paragraph 23, that the new law “Would also EXTEND insurance benefits to all Americans..” or some other weaseling newspeak phraseology.
I think Jon Grant makes a very accurate point regarding constitutionality, but since when is the Constitution any kind of impediment to these guys?
When I think of all the horrible things presidents and “leaders” over the years have done to their natural enemies, the American people, this one is right up there with passage of the 16th Amendment, FDR’s entire domestic policy, LBJ’s War on Prosperity, and the entire Nixon and Carter Administrations.

All I can say is, any Democrat who voted for Obamao-care and then shows up in MY neighborhood for some reason–better have a solid health insurance policy in place before meeting up with me…

Joe Guiney on September 30, 2013 at 5:38 pm

The conduct of the Republicans enrages me more than that of John “Benedict” Roberts. They’re just all bending over and taking it up the ass like they always do. They like being the Democrats’ bitches.

CornCoLeo on September 30, 2013 at 5:52 pm

I blame the dopes who voted TWICE for Obama-Putin and the wimpy, power hungry, progressive potentate Republicans in Congress for this. DS is absolutely correct..what the hell took so long? You know she knows. I have NO patience for well-meaning Conservatives who were played all along waiting for a savior. These are the sorts who still like Grover Norquist, Jihad Darrell Issa and even still watch Bill O’Reilly. (And get excited when they hear Walid Shoebat and Zudhi Jasser…)

I’m especially peeved because I was once upon a time a Libtard. When I found out the lies the Libtards parroted over the years were bold lies I was shocked (I was pretty low-info as a Libtard…) and couldn’t believe what I thought about Republicans (evil incarnate) was NOT true.

Once I was able to process it I was so happy to be on the right side…only to find out that Republicans were not evil (they are if they are progressive…) but wimpy, scaredy cats outplayed by evil Democrats all the time. It was like a bad joke that would never end. THAT is why I am so passionate about right and wrong.

Face it, Obama-Putin is a congenital liar and has the media to cover for him (now you know how Despots can flourish…) but you really have to be a brainless piker to not SEE some of the truth. These effers don’t want to. For example, a gay, Libtard journalist recently wrote a book on the MYTH of Matthew Shepard and instead of listening and using critical thinking and deductive reasoning, these brainless, ideological bozos are screaming they are sticking to the FALSE narrative. What do you do with morons like that? I can’t stand it anymore.

And if these bastards who got us here don’t wanna see what a fraud Obama-Putin is, don’t expect them to see Islam the way it should. I am demoralized but I have decided to stay and fight. But I’m thunderstruck by the stupidity and selfishness of the family of man.

Skunky on September 30, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Skunky, for what it’s worth, I do not trust gay libtard journalists even when they tell me something I’d otherwise be inclined to believe. One of the bigger names here is Andrew Sullivan, who, when he was supposedly a conservative, was almost always wrong and dishonest. Heck, even when he agreed with me he gave stupid reasons for his position. Now that his ass got dumped from the Daily Beast, perhaps he’s trying to burnish his conservative credentials again.

    If Shepard’s gruesome murder was simply retaliation for a drug deal gone bad, the truth should come out. But I’m noticing plenty of sudden denial that bashing and indeed murder of gays was ever much of a problem. I’m reminded of similar denials regarding anti-Semitism.

    The last time I checked the American National Election Study, the “feeling thermometer” for gays had a mode of 50 degrees with a secondary peak at 0 degrees. (0 degrees is a very cold feeling toward a group; 100 degrees is a very warm liking.) These ratings are very negative compared with attitudes toward other groups. Fifteen years back or so, the mode was 0 degrees, not 50 degrees. In comparison, Jews and Catholics are about equally liked/disliked.

    Therefore, I find it hard to believe that given such ratings, anti-gay violence was not a problem 15 or more years back, and that it is not a problem in some places today.

    Of course, it doesn’t follow that we should have TV and movies that are all-gay-all-day, or hate crime laws, or affirmative action for gays, or courts shutting down shops that won’t bake gay wedding cakes. I just think that accurate history is not always very pleasant.

    skzion on September 30, 2013 at 7:29 pm

      skzion: “I just think that accurate history is not always very pleasant.”

      Agreed, and that goes both ways.

      Except of course for the topic of the disproportionate percentage of gay men who abuse, rape or otherwise assault male children. Now that gay “rights” are cause célèbre and telemovies are made about possible gay-bashing cases, the horrific and nauseating subject (that is sure to draw shrieks of “homophobe” toward anyone who dares broach the subject) of this widespread and notorious pattern of many a gay behavior gets swept even further under the rug.

      Add that to the fact of vast under-reporting because of the obviously immense social stigma attached to the victims, it is certainly looking to be, paraphrasing ol’ Ray-Gun, “morning in gay America” as far as the more unsavory and perverse practice of their predilections.

      Still waiting for the telemovie about the victims of predatory gays. Oh, right. That would never get green-lighted.

      DS_ROCKS! on September 30, 2013 at 8:15 pm

        Thank you DSR. You ask such an important question and one i have been wishing people will tackle…but won’t for the reasons you adeptly stated.

        I’d love those stats. I’d love to know the truth on that controversial subject.

        And I also agree with Skzion saying gay bashing was worse years ago (I remember…) but that it can still be an issue today. I would say not as much but the issue is still there. And I don’t like it (REAL gay bashing, that is…)

        And I understand his point about less sympathy for gay activists these days. I resemble that. As I always say no one turned me against them but the gays themselves.

        Skunky on September 30, 2013 at 9:52 pm

        DSR, my reply is late. Sorry. But I better write now or I will forget.

        “Except of course for the topic of the disproportionate percentage of gay men who abuse, rape or otherwise assault male children.”

        I base my politics on data so far as I can. Do you have evidence that gay male pedophiles are a higher percentage of all gay men than straight male pedophiles are of all straight men? Typically, the cases we see in the media are from sub-populations that are disproportionately gay (e.g., Catholic priests).

        Even if the percentage of gay male pedophiles were higher, I don’t see how this would be relevant to the discussion. We do not excuse the harassment or murder of black men, and they are far more likely to be perpetrators of crime than white men. It wouldn’t surprise me if gay males overall were perpetrated less crime than straight males overall.

        I have never supported pedophiles of any kind. Nor do I think that gay rights will increase the number of gay pedophiles or increase support for their crimes. Do you have any reason to believe otherwise?

        If you review the data I presented, you will find that in 2008 there is a whopping minority (20%) of the American public with Feeling Thermometer scores of 30 or below for gay people. The underlying scores of this 20% are disproportionately 0. Go back 15 years, and the attitudes were even worse, and there was far less legal attention to the cases. Way back when, there were almost no heteros who were actually >50. So, there was no countervailing public pressure. Note also that nowadays, the distribution of true haters is not even. So there are plenty of places that looked about as bad in 2008 as they did 15 years before that date.

        The bottom line is that gay bashing was no “urban myth.” It was widely practiced whenever gays could be identified (or suspected). No other group (e.g., blacks or Jews) were (or are) in a comparable position. The situation today is unclear, as the evidence has not yet been compiled. I think we’ll find that today, perhaps 10% would rate gays at 0 degrees, but that there will be an increased percentage >50.

        Finally, one interesting proxy for straight attitudes toward gays is the relative frequency of public hand-holding or other PDA by same-sex couples, as compared with opposite-sex couples. If we suppose that the preference for PDA is constant across orientations, the display would be conditioned by the likelihood of threatening consequences by outsiders. Do some counting dude!

        skzion on October 4, 2013 at 4:01 pm

          skzion: first of all, you’re correct in that my comment was OT, but I just ran with it when that quote reminded me of my gripe.

          Second, I agree with the significance of “temperature” data and the need for increased awareness about bashing because gays should be afforded the same rights and protection as any other victimized group of people.

          However, I take umbrage with the need for statistics, or rather that statistics are not particularly meaningful, in discussions about boys victimized by gay men.

          In fact, some of the same obstacles to reporting crimes, e.g., shame, further persecution, ostracization, etc. are parallel between bashed gays and abused boys, but the only real inroads made toward healing, acceptance and encouragement to
          “come out” as it were are for the benefit of gay men and the gay community at large, but not for abused boys.

          To compare it crudely to the modern attitudes toward female victims of incest and abuse, acceptance, sympathy and attention has made being a female victim of abuse sometimes appealing venue as evidenced by the celebrity factor of high profile cases like the Ohio women in the basement or the Utah girl who wrote a book and did the talk-show circuit promoting it.

          Until there’s frank discussion and acknowledgement of male victims and an atmosphere free of ridicule, mockery and shame, I wouldn’t expect that reporting is anywhere near the percentage of reported female child abuse incidents.

          And, lastly, as gays gain acceptance as a celebrated and politically powerful class, I would expect that incidence of gay predators would increase and reporting even decline further.

          DS_ROCKS! on October 5, 2013 at 4:32 am

          DSR, I think this will be my last reply, this time around.

          First, I think that pedophilia is under-reported generally, and there is good reason to believe that same-sex pedophilia is especially under-reported. Not only that, but domestic violence by women against men has been shown to be very under-reported in crime statistics, based on survey work, including surveys of women. I want to lead off with this because I really do take all of these issues seriously.

          Second, when anything heterosexual is being discussed or implied (and the topic is omnipresent), do we find anyone continually barging in with discussions of rape, opposite-sex child molestation, and so forth, “balancing” the discussion? I’d say the only time this is sure to happen is when the bargers are radical feminists (typically lesbian) who simply cannot conceive of heterosexuality except in terms of violence. Now on the assumption that you are not sympathetic to the likes of the blessedly dead Dworkin or the tragically alive MacKinnon, why then should every discussion of homosexuality necessitate such “balancing?”

          Third, I suggest that your expectation that greater openness for gays will lead to greater pedophilia is unlikely to manifest. I have already indicated that same-sex pedophilia is indeed likely to be more under-reported than mixed-sex pedophilia. While I do think that we must get accurate statistics, let’s stipulate that same-sex pedophilia is more frequent. Why? May I suggest that in a situation where homosexuality is considered taboo, there are, paradoxically, more incentives to hush it up, and that includes hushing up same-sex pedophilia. How else could its occurrence in the Boy Scouts all these years be explained? Why are such events now being discussed? In short, I expect that as homosexuality is mainstreamed, same-sex pedophilia is more likely to be exposed and dealt with, and that, therefore, it is likely to be reduced to the levels of mixed-sex pedophilia.

          Anyway, this has been an interesting conversation, dude.

          skzion on October 7, 2013 at 11:40 pm

        skzion: ” I expect that as homosexuality is mainstreamed, same-sex pedophilia is more likely to be exposed and dealt with, and that, therefore, it is likely to be reduced to the levels of mixed-sex pedophilia.”

        That’s a compelling point, but it’s also possible that the incidence of gay abusers is on the rise.

        I think we’re at a stalemate.

        DS_ROCKS! on October 8, 2013 at 2:37 am

      I agree with you Skzion. It’s not that I have faith in that gay journo but a lot that he is NOW reporting on has been whispered about for years and he has done extensive research on those involved and those who knew Shepard. Also, most of the gays and blind gay supporters REFUSE to believe anything but the initial and WRONG narrative of his murder. They wanna believe in their ideology and NOT the truth.

      Just like Columbine. A similar tale that is non gay. But what the media reported was NOT the truth. Yet the myths still live.

      I’m glad you brought up AS. He is the worst and I agree with you. He lied about leaving DB and tried to make it as if he was moving on to bigger and better things and not that he was sacked and boring.

      PLUS, I heard (I could be wrong so correct me if I am) he USED to be a conservative and now I do know he’s a looney Libtard (redundant). When I did read DB (and I only read it now for BNL’s Knox reportings…I was banned for using “Dhimmi” which was hate speech to them…) I never read that crashing bore.

      One time a radio host I listened to said he is HIV positive and took out kinky ads in The Village Voice for pervy sex hook ups. I don’t know if that is true but it would be prolly why he is not a Conservative anymore…hard to be a sex pervert and shill Conservativism…

      (BTW, thanks for the compliment above, DSR!)

      Skunky on September 30, 2013 at 9:40 pm

        Skunky: “One time a radio host I listened to said he is HIV positive and took out kinky ads in The Village Voice for pervy sex hook ups. I don’t know if that is true but it would be prolly why he is not a Conservative anymore…hard to be a sex pervert and shill Conservativism…”

        In case you’re not familiar, Google “bug chasers.” And I have to disagree with your assessment – a true conservative wouldn’t care less about what consenting adults do in private. Or at least in theory.

        “(BTW, thanks for the compliment above, DSR!)”

        You’re welcome! Your posts often make me lol and i appreciate it.

        DS_ROCKS! on October 1, 2013 at 3:00 am

    Skunky, I’m serious about attending to evidence. Here are the most recent data (ANES takes still hasn’t gotten around to finishing with 2012).

    Analysis Variable : VCF0232 Thermometer: Gays and Lesbians

    Year N Mode Mean 20th_Pctl Median
    1988 2040 0 41.03 0 40
    1990 1980 . . . .
    1992 2485 50 45.38 5 50
    1994 1795 0 37.71 0 45
    1996 1714 50 47.70 15 50
    1998 1281 50 48.28 15 50
    2000 1807 50 57.55 30 50
    2002 1511 50 54.79 30 50
    2004 1212 50 55.38 30 50
    2008 2322 50 55.48 30 50

    skzion on September 30, 2013 at 8:16 pm

      Well, I’m afraid that despite my efforts at formatting, this table is hard to read. So, you’ll either need to work at it or copy, paste, and parse in a spreadsheet.

      DSR, I have to go but will attend to your comments ASAP.

      skzion on September 30, 2013 at 8:18 pm

        skzion: “DSR, I have to go but will attend to your comments ASAP.”

        Take your time. I’m very interested in reading it and will look for it.

        BTW, I was thinking about Skunky saying she was banned somewhere for saying “dhimmi” on another blog for “hate speech.”

        That’s another great thing about Debbie’s is that we can make comments like the ones in this thread – all over the place – and not get censored or banned for it. Debbie is a true-blue American patriot in the mold of the Founding Fathers.

        DS_ROCKS! on October 1, 2013 at 3:04 am

Fine, now that we’ve safely avoided giving credit to the Republicans who just went along for the ride how about giving some to those who came up with the idea in the first place and have been backing it from the beginning.

I realize they may not have been entirely successful in saving the American people from a fate they couldn’t be bothered to save themselves from but lets at least give the people that tried some attention. (Of course from some perspectives maybe it was just strategic grandstanding from the beginning. I don’t think I’m in the mood to buy that today. I’d rather suck tea bags.)

Or is that counter bi-partisan? Call it bi-schmartizan.

Frankz on September 30, 2013 at 6:38 pm

This bill should not even be a law. It is filled with lies and exceptions and was passed with bribes. I don’t know of one legislator who voted for it who read the entire bill and knew everything that was in it (citing Nancy Pelosi-“You’ll have to pass the bill to know what’s in it”). The President again is telling the country “The sky is falling, the sky is falling”. So if the national parks shut down (it’s almost the end of the season anyway), the mainstream media is branding this a catastrophe. If government workers don’t get paid (Congress and the Administration are getting paychecks), blame it on the President and those who voted for this bill.

NormCBS on September 30, 2013 at 6:50 pm

If Obamacare was so good, why wouldn’t Obama sign up for it? Why wouldn’t members of Congress sign up for it? Because they’re all better than us and are exempt from it, of course. The American people were promised the same healthcare as their, uh, rulers. It was all a lie.

I recently moved from Texas back to New York. As I’ve said here. I dropped “Republican” and decided not to join a political party. This is just one of many reasons for that.

Our family’s insurance company informed us that it doesn’t offer policies in New York and would drop us within 90 days. In the meantime, our premiums for those 90 days TRIPLED!


Government healthcare–what could go wrong?

No one represents us.

No one cares about us.

Barry Popik on September 30, 2013 at 7:03 pm


    That’s the whole idea.

    Working people will eventually be squeezed out of private insurance and be forced to purchase it through Obamacare government exchanges using the IRS as enforcers which is the precursor to nationalization of all healthcare.

    DS_ROCKS! on September 30, 2013 at 7:27 pm

And one of our Local naviagtors in the Detroit area:

sal on September 30, 2013 at 7:23 pm

Since before the bill was passed I’m pretty sure the Republicans have been trying to reverse the of destruction that Obama has put this country on. But could also be I’m reading the wrong newspapers and watching the wrong news shows

Brian on September 30, 2013 at 7:50 pm

Republicans are just as much the enemy as Democrats.

Never, ever forget that.

PitandPen on September 30, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    whenever the democrats
    are pointed out to be
    categorically wrong

    out comes the
    they’re all the same
    idiocy and lie

    as if that’s why
    everyone should vote
    for the democrat

    they could at least be more honest
    and declare
    my party right or wrong

    prestigio on September 30, 2013 at 9:12 pm

When I reflect on the debates that the Rupubs held is all they did each debate was berate, disparage, lambaste, the president, they didn’t offer any solutions, except Ron Paul, and Herman Cain, (now Im not saying Cain should have been president) but he was the only one along with Ron P, who offered solutions. Even if you didnt agree with them, they answered the questions. Newt did too, but the rest were pathetic and impotent.
As for the Affordable Care Act, it is a horribly written Act, horrible, and now all the world can see, the law makers were lazy and threw some mud against the wall, but it aint stickin’ lol, just runny, slimy filth, sliding down the foul colored drywall.

Big D on September 30, 2013 at 8:56 pm

Check out the top left item on Drudge (9:50 pm central):

“Navigators Warned: Don’t Leave Tax Returns on the Fax Machine…”

It’d be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

Ruckus_Tom on September 30, 2013 at 10:57 pm

I’ve always thought that the whole idea of challenging Obamacare at the present time was to deflect attention from the Republicans’ recent support of illegal immigration, and I suspect Cruz and Lee are complicit in this, and of course the talk show hosts.

Little Al on October 1, 2013 at 3:55 am

The Republicans are very lazy.

worry01 on October 1, 2013 at 4:36 am

“Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely”


Today’s Comments contain many TRUTHs and they are TRUTHs that a vast number of Americans do not wish to hear, read, or speak.

I ask all to consider this Reading List:

“MONEY, GOLD and HISTORY” by Lewis E. Lehrman

“THE GREAT DEFORMATION” by David A. Stockman

“FATE OF THE STATES” by Meredith Whitney

Many people complain that their local governments are difficult to control, but why do they express surprise and frustration with actions / laws enacted by the Federal Government – their “Grand-Daddy”?

I no longer see realistic chances to turn the Leviathan around to return to the Founding Principles. I intend to pursue the following: Financial Survivability, Secession, and Relocation Options.

This is not a Good Bye, but a redirection of my time and my energy into those actions that may provide a greater level of seeing changes instead of receiving the usual bromides my Senators and Congressional Reps have been providing.

ps: Time is quickly slipping away and the Fascists await our collapse.

pps: Debbie, Thank You for being so vigilant and informative. Stay safe from the HORDE of BRUTES.

Dennis on October 1, 2013 at 8:27 am

It amazes us in the rest of the world that the wealthy in American society ,who can Afford the excessive medical costs in the USA, resist any attempt at establishing a Medical system such as the UK’s or japans or Australia’s or new Zealands,Or skandanavias,or Russias fact any medical service any civilised nation operates.
And when I see that it is the major insurance companies who are behind the opposition to the obama care package (which has been law for 3 years….) I can but stand in amazement at the gullibility of those aforementioned wealthy who honestly believe the lies these same insurance companies spread in the USA about other countries medical systems.
American friends can barely believe I can simply walk into a doctors, get a top quality consultation,have tests done on the very latest equipment ,get treated and dont have to spend a dollar. This paid for by EVERY tax payeer but the cost is so low each taxpayer hardly notices the levy imposed and are thankful for the system.
You also pay taxes in America but all your tax money got pissed against the wall in Iraq,Afghanistan and China.
What you really need,besides a proper medical system designed to treat humans which doesn’t add to the coffers of faceless insurance companies ,is a purge of the republican party whose idiocy is driving the once great USA into the ground for the sake of their friends and their vested interests.

Aron B on October 1, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Aron Boring, why don’t you take your amazement and shove it up your clacker?

    We are NOT UK, Australia and any other silly socialist hell-hole you think is great. We’re America and we’re better than you…well, now Obama-Putin is trying to drag us down to your low level but at our best we beat you by a stratosphere of country miles.

    Why don’t you get busy and THINK about our population (over 300M) and compare and contrast WHY we never has crappy socialistic medicine? Australia has 22M at most. Can you add & use that boring brain of yours and see the lack of feasibility of what you think is so great?

    And it’s rich that you would big-note about your stupid love of socialistic medicine when your country has a Carbon Tax…talk about a fraud and fleecing of tax payer $$$!!

    And why don’t you bore us with Australia’s GST? Most Yanks have no idea what it is (VAT) but thus far we don’t have to pay that nonsense tax yet, but Australia does.

    Skunky on October 1, 2013 at 10:20 am

      Skunky, does your friend really think that the NHS is great? Britain has a two-tier medical system. Anyone who can afford to do so buys private coverage, even though they are already taxed for NHS. If you cannot afford the top tier, you are blessed with third world medicine in the U.K.

      Is Aron celebrating this:

      Shall we discuss the situation in France:

      It is a system that is chronically in the red and deteriorating.

      We could look at Australia as well mate:

      The costs are exploding and the care is inadequate.

      As for New Zealand, its problems are much like those of the countries already mentioned:

      Skunky, when the social justice rhetoric is stripped away, the reality is not all that pretty. The costs soar over time, while the quality of care remains stagnant or actually declines. Even when fairly gross deficiencies are recognized by governments, the resistance to any change is enormous. The health care establishment(doctors, hospitals, and government regulators)will fight any reforms designed to contain costs or rationalize services furnished. Wealthy and other well connected people can escape the clutches of such health care systems.

      We could discuss formal and informal rationing in such systems. Let us say, “Woe to you who are disabled or above a certain age.”

      Worry01 on October 1, 2013 at 10:54 am

        In socialized medicine, the politicians are answerable to the voters.

        But they don’t have an incentive to offer the best care. They do have every incentive to cut costs and to look after the bottom line.

        If that endangers your own health, tough luck. And its very difficult for people to find quality health care. Think Obamacare will provide that?

        While I agree with Debbie GOP grandstanding won’t get anything done, you still gotta wonder why if Obamacare is so good, that Congress won’t cover itself with the same plan it prescribes for the rest of us.

        And what Obama’s objection to that could possibly be, enough to make him shut down the federal government. Just sayin.’

        NormanF on October 1, 2013 at 3:29 pm

        Brilliant (and fun to read!) Worry! Well done! Much thanks!

        People may have think I have gone gonzo (like KenB’s reference that Cantor looks like Gonzo…LOL, he sure does…KenB’s always fun to read but I digress…) when I have a head explosion the few times I read Aron Boring it’s only because I have been on to that stealth wombat for a long time. Every so often he let’s it all hang out and his Libtardism emerges like Ayer’s Rock (Uluru).

        I pay attention to what people say and my spidey sense goes off (most of the time) when BS is being slung. That’s Aron B. It is true mostly I do not read him as I am not kidding when I call him boring but sometimes I like to annoy myself and peruse his bore salad if I feel the turtle’s head is emerging. And this time it sure did.

        Well done, Worry! 😀

        Skunky on October 1, 2013 at 4:31 pm

Hey DS, who is it that put the brakes on this Socialist monstrosity, despite having only a small minority in both Houses? Oh yea, that would be the Tea Party, who fyi exchange thoughts at online sites like your “Breitfraud” and listen to stupid,lame,hillbilly frauds like Sara Fraudlin, and probably eat fraudfries and drink iced fraudshakes.

W: Wow, someone is quite delusional (the guy in your mirror). “Put the brakes on” what? Are you living in fantasyland? Everything is going forward. But you keep telling yourself that–that ANYTHING was stopped. Nothing was. BTW, Breitfraud and Sarah Palin are laughing at you all the way to the bank. They count on easily fooled suckers like you. DS

waynesteapartyworld on October 1, 2013 at 9:53 am

    “Overly optimistic” or “out in front of events” maybe, but not delusional. :0

    waynesteapartyworld on October 2, 2013 at 7:41 am

no matter what the mainstream media will blame republicans and most americans haven’t a clue what Obama care really is that’s the big problem is mmost americans listen to liberal news
oh by the way wy cant we have a made in usa content rule like the one put on cars in 1967 that’s what forced the Japanese and others to open factories in the usa that would bring back millions of jobs

martin on October 1, 2013 at 10:53 am

But but but Debbie I thought I heard our esteemed pResident El O’Rodeoclown say that the peeps will be able to get “free” healthcare with a point and click. Just like ordering from or Papa Johns. It figures that Odumbocare would have so many stumbling blocks because let’s face facts. Has anything that our government implemented EVER run smoothly? Now with incompetent idiots like Odumbo and Ice Queen Sebelius in charge this will run smoother than a gravel driveway. I blame several factors as to why hard working Americans like Debbie, myself and other regular posters on this site are going to be stuck with the monstrosity known forever as Obamacare:

Obama, The O’Clown, Odumbo, The First Gungan-Has there ever been a more partisan, reactionary, incompetent, and narcissistic president in our lifetime. This bum makes Peanut headed Jimmuah Karter and Slick Willey Clintoon look like schoolboys.

RINO feckless eunichs Crash test Dummy McCain, McConnell(the turtle), Crybaby Boehner, and human muppet Cantor(looks like Gonzo)- These dummies bend over backwards and take it in the shorts everytime when dealing with scum like Harry(the boxer)Reid and Nutso Piglousy. The fact that Boehner and Cantor finally found their “boys” in the House gym means zip, zero, nada. Like you said Debbie WTF took so long?

Mittens Romney- I read somewhere that this boob said that nice guys finish last. Well duh you knucklehead. He wasn’t my ideal candidate but good grief he has the O’Clown on the ropes after the first debate and then he went AWOL like corporal Klinger from M.A.S.H. He learned after the fact that when you have a gutless liar like Oblamo down you keep him down.

The LOFO Dodos- The diehard cherry flavored koolaid drinkers who managed to not once but twice elect(see first factor). These mushheads have no idea how Odumbocare has already cost working Americans pay with cut back hours. It has also caused well known companies like UPS to cut health care for their employees families. As long as these dopes get their “freebies” why should they care.

Now with the Democrats having cost us to have the government shut down expect things to continue to go haywire. Also expect the Obama jockstrap sniffing press to continue to blame the nontesticular Republicans for the whole mess.

Ken b on October 1, 2013 at 11:50 am

my wife’s an attorney and while she was waiting for her south carolina bar results last fall (she passed), she was doing document review assignments in columbia, and up north in charlotte. one of these assignments were for the ACA exchange. my wife said there was really no one coordinating anything, they had rotating temp staffing of attornies who were supposed to certify the doctors, and that the state would never be ready for the rollout this week. they even offered her a permanent position- although she has no healthcare background- because she seemed so organized. she took a pass and her private practice is booming thanks to a growing number of bankruptcy clients.

kirche on October 1, 2013 at 3:12 pm

Okay, in some ways the plan–whether it’s a health-care plan aor what–is failing, but, it’s still set to collect gobs in taxes from the working young, so, what could be finer!

Phillip Galey on October 1, 2013 at 8:06 pm

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