November 6, 2013, - 1:58 pm

Animal Rights Anti-Horsemeat Coalition Wins Again: Jihad Against Eating Horse

By Debbie Schlussel

The jihad against horse meat continues with the same fervor as the Muslim jihad against pigs and Mohammed cartoons. And now it’s clogging our federal courts for no legitimate reason.


I like and have ridden horses. I don’t eat horse meat and never would even if I could because it isn’t kosher and the idea is absolutely disgusting and stomach-turning to me. But there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why Americans should be barred from slaughtering horses for the purpose of consumption, just because the idea of it repels me and others. There are no sacred cows. And there aren’t any sacred horses, either. And, by the way, I’ve owned horsehair boots and belts. And I don’t think twice about it. Animals–all of them–were made to serve man. Anyone who believes otherwise is an animal rights crazy. It’s one thing to torture animals. I’m against that as any decent human is. It’s entirely another to slaughter them for food.

I’ve written about this before. But, now, the fight against horse meat is front and center in federal court in New Mexico. Last week, Federal Judge Christina Armijo threw out a lawsuit filed by the Humane Society to halt inspection of horses for slaughter. The suit was an attempt to block the slaughter of horses for meat and consumption purposes. But, this week, the Humane Society got a Federal Appeals Court to issue a restraining order, preventing plants in Missouri and New Mexico from proceeding with the inspections and slaughter.

In 2006, Congress prevented the slaughter of horses for meat by banning the U.S. Department of Agriculture from inspecting horse slaughter plants. But in 2011, Congress omitted that language from the USDA funding bill, and animal rights activists and horse lovers have been fighting the slaughter of horses for meat ever since, through ridiculous litigation.

Why is a horse any different from a chicken whose wings you eat at a restaurant or that turkey you might be eating on Thanksgiving? Why is it any different from a cow from which that steak you might have eaten emanates? Why is it different from the salmon or tuna you eat? It isn’t. Horses are not special.

Yes, I get that people who ride horses love them like a member of the family. I get that America has a history of humanizing horses, such as “Mr. Ed” and so on. And perhaps it goes back to the American history of Western movies and Western culture in which horses play a big part. But horses aren’t any different from any other animal that humans consume. I wouldn’t eat it, but I believe in your freedom to do so.

And I believe in the freedom of American businessmen to open horse slaughtering plants and creating jobs for Americans (hopefully not illegal aliens, but they’ll likely work at those plants, too). America exports almost 160,000 horses a year to Mexico and other locations for slaughter. Those are American jobs going to Mexican and other foreign slaughterhouses and meat packing joints. It is intellectually dishonest to say, “No, we won’t allow the slaughter of horses here because we find it despicable,” but then ship those horses elsewhere where they will be slaughtered. America has an excess of wild horses roaming around without enough food. It is only logical to slaughter some of them for meat purposes, rather than allow them to starve to death (which is far less humane).

I’m not a veterinarian, but I highly doubt that horses get diseases or present health risks that aren’t present in any other kind of animal meat that we do allow to be slaughtered and processed here. The lawsuit by the Humane Society pretends otherwise–that horses are a higher life form or different life form from all other animals. They aren’t.

Unfortunately, horse lovers and animal rights activists are so rabidly against the idea of slaughtering horses, that there is no reasoning with them.

Their opposition to the slaughter of horses for meat is irrational. It’s ridiculous. And it’s time we allowed the slaughter of horses in America for food.

Anything less is a victory for the animal rights nuts.

The opposition to horse slaughter isn’t a sign of civilization. It’s a sign of idiots and their hysterics running the show.

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118 Responses

Skunky, et al, treife actually means torn, as an animal that has been ripped apart by a predator but it has come to be applied to anything non-kosher for any reason.
Horses are not kosher because in addition to the un-cloven hoof, the animal must chew the cut, thus giraffes ARE kosher but horses, which don’t are not. I am not addressing the argument. I’ve learned my lesson here but if I can offer any help, I will. Although I do think y’all should ask Ann Romney if she’d eat her horse.

Oh, Miranda, good on ya! Not only should you eat your horse, dog whatever treife animal there is if you’re starving, Jews are commanded to do so because saving human life is the preeminent commandment. But the idea of animals being here to serve people comes from Christianity and is a violation of Jewish thought. Animals have souls and are to be treated with compassion. We are permitted to eat them as shown by the Temple Sacrifice and I do, as long as they’re kosher, which includes how they die.

Bat Devorah (ha neviiah) on November 7, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Italkit, I don’t know why you won’t address the argument…one can do it honestly even if one disagrees. I hope I have done that. I can only be honest and not return to my folly when I was a Liberal. But I know where I stand and I know where my mind will not be changed (and I know where I may also stand on shaky ground).

    If what you stated about Judaism is indeed true (I’m not Jewish so I do not know…) it is just another reason why the Jewish religion is more fitting for me than Christianity. I won’t be converting but it is sad that a religion that seems more like home to me is one I can never be part of.

    Skunky on November 7, 2013 at 3:52 pm

      Skunky, Italkit shows vastly more sympathy for animals than she does for her fellow Jew. It’s all phony, of course. BTW, I wouldn’t trust her claims about Jewish law one bit (although the cloven-hoof/cud-chewing business is indeed from Leviticus).

      skzion on November 7, 2013 at 6:31 pm

        You’re right Skzion. I was just interested in her last paragraph and I wonder if it is true. I don’t know, but how nice if it is.

        I wonder if her regret was from the Peanut Nutter’s thread? At least on this one there are not many wackos and the opposition posts have been factual and have information. I’d never would have thought that if I was asked ahead of time who would be more nutty (pun intended). I would have definitely chosen my own group, Animal Rights Crazies! 😉

        Skunky on November 7, 2013 at 7:29 pm

      skunky, I am an Orthodox Jew, which skzion is not and I don’t understand his attack on me this time. But that is the reason I won’t debate here anymore. I don’t get reasoned disagreement from any of you and even tho I think you are capable of it, Skunky, you do tend to get caught up in the mob mentality of attacking anyone who doesn’t agree with Debbie or the commentators. I love animals and am against the slaughter of horses. That’s all I’ll say. I tasted horse meat once before I was kosher and it’s disgusting. it seems to be an import into Italy from France because when I was in Italy many years ago, it was never seen on menus, let alone restaurants dedicated to it.

      As for the peanut issue. NO I am not recanting. AS someone who has asthma and allergies, although not specifically peanuts and someone whose father died of an anaphylactic reaction, I will stand by my statements that this is a deadly substance to SOME and I agree that it’s not a burden for others to give them up for a couple of hours on one day. I watched my father almost die from an asthma attack and it is horrible. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone but I did say I hope y’all experience it sometimes with someone there to pull you thru. My Dad’s first attack happened in his medical office and despite having drugs and oxygen available, he couldn’t pull himself out. He managed to call my Mom with his dying breath and she DID get him out of that attack but 6 mos later he was dead, having had several more.

      Bat Devorah (ha neviiah) on November 8, 2013 at 3:33 am

        Of course you misunderstand, Italkit. It may be because of your well-known jealousy of DS.

        I am capable of a reasoned argument but I don’t suffer thugs and dopes. I am capable of battle and I go to it if I must. If you think I am just defending DS “just because” you don’t get it. It’s the truth I am defending (which she delivers more than anyone I know today) and I also happen to agree with her over 95% of the time. You just don’t like that I can get nasty when I have to. It’s something I can do and I am glad I can. I’ll never give it up. I would feel horrible ONLY if I went at someone who didn’t deserve it in my mind.

        And although I can out thug the thugs I have NEVER did what you did here to Skzion. Funny, you can be super nasty when you wanna be.

        I’m not a man. I’m not protective of DS the way the men are. I am protecting her argument which is almost always MY argument too. You’ve never seem to have figured that out but then again you are burdened with jealousy and envy. I am not. I want to learn and I am not ashamed to admit when somebody is more intelligent than me. I’m here to learn and I appreciate the teacher.

        Skunky on November 8, 2013 at 9:39 am

          Skunky, interesting point about gender-based protectiveness.

          Italkit may think she is Orthodox, but she really isn’t. Orthodoxy requires a love for one’s fellow Jew that is completely absent in her. She’s pod-person Orthodox.

          skzion on November 8, 2013 at 12:14 pm

          Skunky, I really am NOT Jealous of Debbie. That is just silly. What does the woman have for me to be jealous of? I don’t have a jealous bone in me because I am happy with myself despite my imperfections and while I am not happy with those, I accept them.

          SK is right about my not being Orthodox as he or Debbie see it. Actually, I’ve recently learned “Orthodox” is an Ashkenazi idea. It doesn’t really exist among Sephardim and while I keep the Mitzvot, I struggle with a lot of terminology because I was not brought up in it. I was brought up among Ashkenazim and it was never a good fit. I am not Orthodox as Debbie would define herself and this is hard enough for Jews to understand, I don’t expect a non-Jew to get it. But it doesn’t mean I have less of an understanding or adherence to the Torah. it’s a matter of approach.

          What SK never understood on the INN blogs he used to frequent and where the MEN would say what I did and worse to him, it was because we do care and want to see him become Orthodox and follow Torah and in one critical area, he may not be doing that. Love isn’t sweetness and light, not all the time. Sometimes it’s tough and stern. Someone who never had a child might not be able to see that.

          Bat Devorah (ha neviiah) on November 9, 2013 at 5:30 pm

          Italkit, are you Orthodox or not? I don’t get it. You say you are and then that you are not and always struggled with it. I know you are hostile to Ashkenazi but I don’t know enough about Judaism to know what it all means (I never knew there was such a rift but I have heard you be hostile about it numerous times here).

          And yes, you are competitive and jealous of DS. Don’t deny it. You’ve displayed it enough here in black & white for it to be factual. It’s far more embarrassing if you’re the only one who can’t see it.

          You’ve been real evil to Skzion. That is also evident. I’ll not forget that, either.

          Skunky on November 9, 2013 at 8:24 pm

          Skunky, as I’ve said before, Italkit is not a reliable source on much of anything: in her pronouncements, the absurd seamlessly intermingles with the accurate, all to fuel her need for relevance.

          Her nonsense about Orthodoxy being Ashkenazi comes from her ass. “Orthodox” just means Torah Judaism, which means that one must attend to the mitzvot (plural of “mitzvah,” commandment) as interpreted in a vast apparatus of Jewish legal work. Now, because nobody can actually fulfill all the mitzvot, Orthodoxy is never 100%. However, there is a fundamental principle of Torah (Akiva/Hillel) to love one’s fellow Jew. Someone who spends her life attacking her fellow Jew, therefore, cannot really be thought “Orthodox,” though she might appear so based on her adherence to Orthodox ritual.

          Italkit tells a partial truth when she says that I had several nasty attackers on Israel National News. What she doesn’t tell you, however, is that she did as well. In fact, I also had supporters, which Italkit didn’t. For someone who claims to be filled with love, Italkit is disliked by everyone who gets to know her online.

          I don’t know why she insists on returning here–possibly she is stalking me or Debbie. The only reason I tell the truth about her is that I think she is irredeemably evil.

          skzion on November 10, 2013 at 5:20 pm

BTW – it’s articles like this that really reduces Debbie’s credibility in my eyes. While some of her articles are really good, schlock like this dimishes all the other hard work she is doing.

Zsuzsi on November 7, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Susie, why didn’t you come clean that you’re a Vegan? There is no way DS is gonna agree with you, as you’re a Vegan. You stated your case but you’re disingenuous when you don’t say what you really are and just complain.

    Skunky on November 7, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    Oh look, it’s the nutter Suzy.

    skzion on November 7, 2013 at 6:32 pm

Skunky, I have no problem telling people that I’m a vegan. I would have thought people could figure that out from my comment. Anyway, I don’t know why Debbie hates vegans so much. It’s very immature for her to keep picking on us when we really just care a lot about animals. I mean does Debbie hate animals? I really don’t get it. Surveys show that about half of the vegans out there are conservative. Veganism is not a liberal value. It has nothing to do with politics.

Zsuzsi on November 7, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Susie, I am a Vegetarian and I hate Vegans. Well, at least Liberal ones. I do admire their adherence to their values (as long as it’s not braggadocious). It’s too difficult for me. Ain’t nobody got time for that!

    Why do you need her to be nice to Vegans? She doesn’t agree. Just accept it and move on. You’re doing your part and that is commendable but there is no way others are gonna adhere to veganism. Vegetarianism is hard enough. Embrace the small victories.

    No one agrees 100%. She’s not an animal hater and that’s good enough for me. Those are the people we should focus on.

    Skunky on November 7, 2013 at 5:37 pm

Girlfriend. There Is No Law That States That You can’t Slaughter Your Own Horse And Eat It. However, You Cannot commercially Slaughter Horses To Sell The Meat. The Zoos And Pet Food Companies Stopped Using Horse Meat Because Of Zoonotic Diseases (Transfer To Other Species). now you also have trichinosis from undercooked meat. want a die of that? and finally, there’s all the glorious drugs that are routinely given to horses that are banned from food animals by the USDA. Please people, understand the risks that see being taken when someone eats horse meat. Also look at what has happened and is still surfacing in the UK. To many reasons NOT to eat horses.

Terri Russell on November 7, 2013 at 4:46 pm

Deb, as many people have written there is a big difference in allowing American horses to be slaughtered for human consumption vs. other American food animals because of the currently legal medications that horses receive. About 70% of horse medications are illegal to be consumed by people because of their toxic and cancerous qualities when consumed by people. It is against US laws to export horse meat as such, and illegal for the EU to import the meat as such. Unless we implement a complicated and costly ‘passport’ system as the EU has done (since 2004) for ALL horses, whether going to slaughter or not, there can be no assurance that these medications will not enter the human food supply.

Lori Hackman on November 7, 2013 at 4:52 pm

Some of us clued-in conservatives have opened our eyes to the plight of animals in the food industry and are becoming vegans and vegetarians. We don’t need meat to survive or be healthy. I believe that our evolution as human beings must involve seeing ourselves are caretakers of the Earth and the animals rather than users of them.

Kelley on November 7, 2013 at 6:30 pm

The best reason to allow the slaughter of horses is to offend those nutters who have made this one of their Big Causes.

In addition, I don’t believe the “science” that they post here (e.g., environmental disasters, a shot of “bute” makes the animal unsafe for life, etc.). And I don’t see why government is stepping in at all. Nor do I have any respect for the FDA’s ridiculous do’s and don’ts on the “permitted” chemicals.

I doubt I’d ever eat horse meat, and I’m sure I wouldn’t eat dog. But you know? I still can’t see why horses should be singled out for protection. They are not exactly endangered. I fully expect that humane means could be found for slaughtering them. Hell, flooding an enclosure with an inert gas (e.g. helium) would cause them to faint and die quickly without even knowing what hit them.

skzion on November 7, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    I agree with the comment above. The fact that she knows how many Military women and men have died in the line of duty, or the number of people they have killed. I went to Dave’s facebook and followed this link expecting to learn about horse slaughter-but what I see here is dribble, sad, uncouth, and shameful dribble. I wouldn’t take the proslaughter side after reading this article. Homeland security is working to protect us and not offend these groups. They have asked National and World News Agencies to protect people and they had no idea a journalist would come up with this garbage. Dave’s facebook shows he was Military and I am ashamed he’s condoning this garbage!

    Holly on November 8, 2013 at 12:03 pm

      Holly, you moron, the word is “drivel.”

      skzion on November 8, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    Does that include Jewish “nutters” SK, or are we allowed to hate them and still remain Orthodox?

    Bat Devorah (ha neviiah) on November 9, 2013 at 5:34 pm

      Typical nonsense, Italkit. One can offend nutters of any religion. Hating Jewish nutters is prohibited in general. But it is just human to hate Jews who are not merely nutters but poisonously hate-filled–Jews like you.

      Not only do you sin egregiously in your own hatred, you induce other Jews to sin by hating you because of your actions. This is why I think you should be shunned.

      skzion on November 10, 2013 at 5:25 pm

To all who don’t know who Dave Duquette is: read all about him at this very witty, well written and informative blog: Shedrow Confessions. To the author of this piece of yellow journalism, shame on you. For all of your past publishings and appearances on Rolling Stone, Bill Maher, etc….I expected more professionalism. Just goes to show you can’t believe everything you read. On the other hand, when I read you are right up there with Ann Coulter, I should have expected this onesided rabid essay.

Michelle on November 8, 2013 at 8:46 am

    Buzz off, Michelle.

    skzion on November 8, 2013 at 9:44 am

I think you should be fired. The term Jihad is very loosely used in this article. They are terrorist who have murdered innocent people and should be left out of this article. Jihad are people better left to Government officials to speak about and honor the memory of the people they have murdered and military who have lost their lives. For YOU to invoke their name in this manner proves YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE MILITARY And their families that have SUFFERED lost family members protecting the United States and other countries. The fact you have sunk so low as to invoke their name and give their status to anyone or any organization in the United States shows you have no journalist respect for the victims of their crimes. This is the most ridiculous news piece I have seen to date. Fortunately not many other publications write about organizations that have blatantly caused the World so much pain in such a disrespectful manner. I think you need to lose your credentials, not for writing about the subject but for writing in this context. This is absolutely ridiculous!

Cynthia on November 8, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Cynthia, sweetie, you’re just like the peanut nutters who recently visited this site. Because, though, you are even more fringe, you are not yet able to get 600 comrades to bombard this site.

    I would fire you in a heartbeat. Fortunately, nutters are not yet a protected class in the US.

    skzion on November 8, 2013 at 2:38 pm

      Let me help you if you keep invoking the Jihad we wont be around when they get ahold of you for using their name in vain. As for the Crazies, you are the people supporting horses for food!

      Holly on November 8, 2013 at 2:48 pm

I just wrote a comment agreeing with Cynthia and it oddly was placed under some proslaughter comment-I do not agree with the pro slaughter comment at all. It was only to agree with Cynthia. This journalist needs at least suspended.

Holly on November 8, 2013 at 12:05 pm

Now the crazies are acting like the peanut nutters.

Will DS fire herself? One can only wonder how that is done.

I love animals but this is what happens when emotions are used instead of facts in arguments.

Please don’t fire yourself, DS. Where would we be if you sacked yourself???

Skunky on November 8, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    Skunky, lol.

    skzion on November 8, 2013 at 2:34 pm

Didn’t read the previous 100+ comments, since they spill into another page. Nonetheless, Debbie, I agree w/ you – I don’t have anything against horsemeat, even though I don’t eat them myself.

However, one place where the analogy falls short – the horseheel boots or bags made of leather… these things can be made from the hides of animals that die natural deaths, and there would be nothing unethical, even to an animal rights wacko, to use that to make bags or shoes or whatever. However, one rarely, if ever, eats animals that die naturally, so this would be where the analogy falls short.

This is not to make an argument for banning any meat – I do think all should be legal. Also, meat such as dogs or snakes or lions are consumed in other places in the world, if not in the US, so there is no reason for revulsion @ that.

Infidel on November 8, 2013 at 6:18 pm

BTW, loving animals and caring for them is a Jewish value. We are commanded to violate the Shabbat to take care of them so they don’t suffer hunger or discomfort, e.g. an unmilked cow. We are also commanded to give them Shabbat rest and we are commanded to FEED THEM BEFORE WE FEED OURSELVES because they are helpless to do so themselves. Yes, even pet dogs and cats because they have become accustomed to dependency and can’t fend for themselves.

It is also the most IMPORTANT JEWISH VALUE to save human life so if being a bit of a “Nutter” over a certain legume is what it takes, so what? Potentially saving life is what it’s all about or else you’d all be out texting behind the wheels of your cars.

Bat Devorah (ha neviiah) on November 9, 2013 at 5:39 pm

Okay, I’m going to settle this once and for all. THIS post is coming from a man who is PHYSICALLY VERY CLOSE TO HORSES* eight months a year.

I hereby declare that Debbie is FIRED!!! There I said it. She is fired, and this web site no longer exists. Any blogs put up on this web site will be put up as a “rogue” web site, and not in keeping with the official charter of Decent Web Sites Of America Club.

Also, Debbie will now be put in the Rogue Class if she dares to put up another blog. Since Debbie is already branded by 1.8 billion Muslims, tens of millions of Americans, and a healthy smattering of Europeans as an ‘infidel,’ this will cinch it. Debbie is now an Infidel and a Rogue at the same time. Debbie also hates children, especially with names like Anna Philatic.

So, I’ve settled it, since the Peanut Allergy Moms, Muslim Defense League and Female Horse Lovers of The Western United States can’t seem to get their causes straight. Debbie is fired, so there should be no more need to cut and paste relic posts from the Peanut Allergy thread.

Oh, and Debbie also will demonstrate in the near future how a JEWISH Conservative will throw your wheelchair bound grandmother off a cliff. So, let’s review, Debbie’s fired, she’s a Rogue (they make GREAT craft beers), Infidel, hates children, football, grandma, calculus, and eating iguana.

*Obvious setup line for “lee of the lower case ‘l'”

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on November 9, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Well, Alfredo,I would’ve mosied right on past that line but you’ve promped my imagination. Rather than a home home on the range kind of guy I see you more of a rodeo type. Bronco buster or bull rider.

    You were expecting something of a different (off color) weren’t ya?

    lee of the lower case "l" on November 9, 2013 at 9:02 pm

LOL!!! Wal, ah sets ’em up, and “lee o’ da lower case ‘l'” hits ’em ‘ow ‘e sees ’em.

Hol’ on and lemme roll over ta mah honey, sister o’ some bloke named Wilburrrr, an’ see ‘ow she lahks yer post, lee.

Hon? Hon? WHINNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYY!!! Why did you wake me, Alfredoooooooooo?

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on November 9, 2013 at 9:07 pm

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