February 3, 2014, - 4:40 pm

Pete Carroll: Superbowl-Winning Seahawks Coach is 9/11 Truther Conspiracy Theorist

By Debbie Schlussel

With last night’s Super Bowl win, Seattle Seahawks Head Coach Pete Carroll may be a champion. But in other ways, he’s a loser . . . and a nut. Carroll is a 9/11 Truther and conspiracy theorist.


Pete Carroll, Another 9/11 Truther Idiot Who Won’t Face Facts

He doesn’t believe Islamic terrorists were behind the 9/11 attacks, despite the fact that Osama Bin Laden bragged on video that the damage and amount of deaths were greater than he could have hoped for and despite all of the evidence against the 19 Arab Muslims who perpetrated the attacks.

Deadspin reports:

Late last spring, retired general Peter Chiarelli, who had just finished his term as the Army’s vice chief of staff, visited Carroll at the Seattle Seahawks headquarters. Chiarelli was expecting a pleasant meeting. . . . The sit-down between Chiarelli and Carroll started off normally enough. They talked about the team, and then about head trauma. Chiarelli, who commanded the American forces in Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom II, talked about the brain injuries he had seen there. But Chiarelli’s mention of Iraq sent Carroll in another direction: He wanted to know if the September 11 attacks had been planned or faked by the United States government.

In particular, Carroll wanted to know whether the attack on the Pentagon had really happened. Chiarelli—who was the top-ranking Army official inside the Pentagon when American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into its western side—explained that it had. He said he had lost many colleagues. But Carroll didn’t stop there. He ran through the whole 9/11 truther litany.

“Every 9/11 conspiracy theory you can think of, Pete asked about,” said Riki Ellison, the former NFL linebacker who now runs the Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance and introduced Carroll to Chiarelli. Ellison, along with Seahawks offensive line coach Pat Ruel, was at the meeting as well. “And he didn’t stop at 9/11—he had lots of questions about the role of the military today.” . . . Ellison said . . . “Pete grew up in California during Vietnam, and during Watergate. . . .” The general had to leave the room because Carroll had rankled him so thoroughly.

Hey, the Paulistinians have found another kindred nutjob. Nothin’ super about that.

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86 Responses

There is a reason he is called Coach Double Rainbow.

John on February 3, 2014 at 5:00 pm

OK, Debbie. The guy’s a nut. BUT, he isn’t. They WERE indeed involved in the 9/11 attacks and afterwards too. However – the planes did NOT bring down the buildings. Call me a conspiracy theorist, too, but I ran the informants after the fact. There’s alot more to the story.

Avrumy B on February 3, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    AB – you’re a moron who doesn’t understand engineering. The terrorists did, and that’s exactly why their planned worked.

    The WTC was designed in a way that it could be erected at a rapid pace when they were building it in the 70’s. Each floor of the building was made of pre-fabricated trusses, coated in a fire retardant material. This allowed the builders to crane in a whole floor, frame out the walls, stack the next floor on top of it, and so on.

    The terrorists knew exactly what they were doing. They hijacked planes nearby that were leaving for international flights and therefore carried the most fuel (and were at full capacity).

    Then they fly the planes into the side of the building. The impact itself did not cause the building to fall. The fire from the high-temperature jet fuel burned through the fire-retardant and heated the floor trusses. When metal gets hot it bends, so several levels of the trusses gave way and caused the building to start collapsing on top of itself.

    People also forget that this was the second attempt to destroy the World Trade Center. They failed in’93 because their plan was to blow the foundation, which goes several hundred feet below the surface. Obviously they went back to the drawing board and the result was 9/11.

    Hopewell on February 4, 2014 at 10:32 am

      ah come on deb,,, when a plane hits the building at ~ 100th floor. and then goes in to a slow burn. but wait less than 65 minutes later the entire base along with 90 something floors designates… the gov explanation is a lie… and you fool to believe them. look again start at abc’s coverage


      midusdew on February 4, 2014 at 11:22 pm

    Oops, my reply to John was meant for Avrumy. Sorry, John.

    Pray Hard on February 4, 2014 at 11:40 am

I always thought truthers were nuts, still do to a degree. BUT I would put nothing past our government. I use to believe the U.S. government was bloated but well meaning, now I think most of our government is corrupt and parts even evil. Do I believe Bush had demolition charges planted? Hell no, but like Avrumy B said, there is more to the story we may never know.

John on February 3, 2014 at 5:15 pm

Pete is probably into Bilderberg conspiracies as well. It is intellectual activity for the mentally limited. There is always some larger conspiracy that exists, which they never can get down to defining.

Worry01 on February 3, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    Yeah, real intellectually limited. That’s why his personal coaching techniques took his team to a dominant season and a 43-8 victory over one of the best offenses of all time.

    Rugby011 on February 10, 2014 at 12:41 pm

Like you, Deborah, I was hoping for a Denver win. What a disgusting performance by the Broncos that was! Getting their tails thrashed like that was an embarrassment to say the least!

Re the conspiracy nut jobbers out there, and there are plenty of them, what can you say? My brother was that type. His thing was UFOs. I once took a hubcap off of a 1948 Buick, tossed it in the air like a frisbee, then took highspeed photos of it. I showed it to my brother and he nearly passed out. He STILL has the photos and swears they are real!

The Twin Towers coming down, something we all witnessed on live television, was no conspiracy. It was exactly what we saw it to be. But we’ll never convince the conspiracy theorists. They are addicted to fantasy.

get real on February 3, 2014 at 5:20 pm

    Ha!! That reminds me of the time I convinced the kid next door that I saw Bigfoot in his back yard. I reckon that would get me labeled as a bully these days and be prescribed large doses of Ritalin.

    John on February 3, 2014 at 5:27 pm

      Well, you could always say that you mistook his mom for “Bigfoot”. 😉

      Worry01 on February 3, 2014 at 5:40 pm

    Except that they’re not theorists, just speculators.

    Pray Hard on February 4, 2014 at 11:43 am

I guess when football players go to college it would be better to give them the answers as well as the questions.

Little Al on February 3, 2014 at 5:43 pm

    You are assuming that they would have the intelligence to comprehend an answer to a question. 😉

    Worry01 on February 3, 2014 at 5:57 pm

When you spend your life talking garbage you’ll believe pretty much whatever you have to to keep the momentum going.

Frankz on February 3, 2014 at 6:04 pm

Until someone can explain how a building that was not hit by an airplane and suffered minimal damage compared to other buildings much closer to the Twin Towers, than no one should be called a nut. I’m referring to WTC Building 7. It came down the exact same way as the Twin Towers and dropped right into its own footprint. Don’t believe me? Do a search for it on You Tube. After watching the video, you too will doubt that only the Muslims were involved.

Tony on February 3, 2014 at 6:25 pm

    It has to do with the way buildings are constructed. They sometimes collapse almost exactly the same way in earthquakes. Why should someone explain it to you? Do your own research. I mean, seriously, “I’m gonna remain a ‘tard until someone spoon feeds me information I agree with”? C’mon, Tony.

    Pray Hard on February 4, 2014 at 11:47 am

    Geez, Tony. It was fairies. Your people. You know fairies, Tony. Being one ..

    Jack on February 4, 2014 at 11:59 am

But Deb, he is a football hero. Doesn’t that mean anything to you? He is a g-d.

Seriously, the average American these days seems to be more worried and or knowledgeable about how some billionaire’s football team does than they are about our country’s continued slide into the ash heap of history.

Incidentally, O’Reilly handled Obama with such kid gloves, it was pathetic.

Jonathan E. Grant on February 3, 2014 at 6:25 pm

    O’Reilly is always pathetic.
    I’d have more respect for him if just got in line to kiss Obama’s ass and didn’t spend so much time moaning about it.

    Frankz on February 3, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    John you know as well as I do that the bloviating blowhard O’Really would rather give the O’Clown the “business” than give him a hard interview.

    Ken B on February 3, 2014 at 8:11 pm


You are so pathetic that you have to bring up Ron Paul, funny how you are on Mike Church’s show on Friday’s and you don’t refer to him in that manner for he is a Ron Paul supporter! I have served and I know how the military works and I think 911 was an inside job. This was a private meeting and it has no business being mentioned. Here say is all it is! Top ranking generals are politicians! Haven’t had a good general since Patton. Many believe he was killed by the CIA! Please explain building 7 to us as debris was what brought it down, right? Decepticon is what you are!

Sam on February 3, 2014 at 6:46 pm

    Welcome back Satanic Ass Monkey.
    Thanks, but I’ve already heard it all from the Saudi Royals on TV.

    Frankz on February 3, 2014 at 7:02 pm

    Notice how Sam begins his comment with “Wow.” Usually this is the first sign of the libtard. But I thought Sam(ir) was a Mooooslim.

    Now Samir, are you a Moooooslim or a libtard? Enquiring minds want to know.

    skzion on February 3, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    Hey Sam just say no to the drugs man because you are on some serious stuff.

    Ken B on February 3, 2014 at 8:14 pm

    wow, just wow.

    Pray Hard on February 4, 2014 at 11:48 am

      Yes, but you’re using it ironically.

      skzion on February 4, 2014 at 11:57 am

He’s a cheater. When he was Head Coach at USC, they were committing violations on recruiting drives in addition to payoffs of players (witness Reggie Bush’s case). Carroll knew the NCAA posse was coming to get him so he scampered off to Seattle just before the roof caved in. Mike Garrett the USC AD took the brunt of the blame and was fired for it. I guess it pays to cheat.

Peter on February 3, 2014 at 6:55 pm

A Seattle sports talk radio show had a QA session with the press after the game. One “press member” asked one of the Seahawks team members about 9/11. The player then asked the security to check the questioner’s press credentials.

The big question. How did the questioner get a pass or get into the room? Maybe Pete Carroll has an answer.

Bob Smith on February 3, 2014 at 7:04 pm

Professional sports are all fixed. Carroll is in on it.

Spread Da Troof on February 3, 2014 at 7:12 pm

Even Debbie has readers who are kooks. Speaking as a licensed Civil Engineer with thirty years experience, those planes DID bring those two towers down and they did it very effectively when the one floor collapsed and the pancaking effect did the rest of the work.

However, you have the normal number of conspiracy kooks who watch doctored YouTube videos made by scoundrels trying to fool the masses. They succeed very well because people WANT to believe that their government is the big evil in the world and that Islam is “innocent.” This government sucks, but they did not “mastermind” killing 3,000 of their own people. They can’t even get a website up, for crying out loud!

As for WTC #7 mentioned by one kook above, it was destroyed by the falling of the perimeter columns from the other towers. It also had unfought fires in it due to the other emergencies. I know you don’t WANT to believe it, but it’s true. The firefighters and emergency workers saw the damage that was done to WTC #7 and they were able to evacuate the building before it collapsed.


Kooks will LOVE to watch conspiracy crap YouTube vids, but they will refuse to look at reasonable and solid explanations for the REAL truth. It is sad.

I block Facebook “friends” who post that Truther bullshit. It is the MOST evil claim one can make! You kooks are saying that our country INTENTIONALLY set up Islam so that they could start two wars against INNOCENT Muslims. Therefore, you are saying that Islam is JUSTIFIED in their barbaric terroristic murders here in this country.

If you are a KOOK Truther and you see the news of the next Islamic attack, you should post “GOOD! WE DESERVE IT AND HAD IT COMING!!”

Quit being such USEFUL IDIOTS!! Who do you think started this “9-11 was an inside job!” anyways??? The one who benefit from it! Muslims!!

PDMac60 on February 3, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    Thank you. Seriously. I’m not an engineer, but I have extensive training in property wind, tornado, hurricane, earthquake, water, lightning and fire damage, taught by the engineers at Haag. While I was watching the towers burn, I was yelling “Get TF out, it’s going to collapse!” at the TV.

    Seriously, conspiracy speculators, listen to PDM, he knows WTF he’s talking about. And, let go of your childish “beliefs”. Islam can’t be defeated by delusional people.

    Pray Hard on February 4, 2014 at 11:58 am

You want to make the cheese slide off the cracker of a nut like Carroll just tell him the following. You have to be nuttier than a squirrel turd to believe that our government:
Killed JFK, RFK and MLK
Faked the moon landing
Pushed AIDS in the Black Community
Has alien bodies and technology in Area 51 from Roswell NM.
Purposefully blew up buildings in NYC, crashed a plane in PA and fired missles at the Pentgon.
I had a friend that absolutely believes this nonsense but it was always funny to get his dander up.

Ken B on February 3, 2014 at 8:34 pm


    Pray Hard on February 4, 2014 at 12:00 pm

PDMac60, bravo!

Carroll and Obama are going to have a great time together at the White House meet and greet.

Jeff W. on February 3, 2014 at 9:25 pm

The stupid thing about truther on building 7 is no one even new much about building 7 when it came down. It cam down fire weakened the shear modulus of rigidity of it steel members.

maman on February 3, 2014 at 10:10 pm

Vince Lombardi was an anti-Semite. He revealed his feelings when commenting on the purchase of the Philadelphia Eagles by Leonard Tose.

But hey! Lombardi won two Super Bowls; they buried the dirt.

There is NO Santa Claus on February 3, 2014 at 10:17 pm

Again, the phrase “conspiracy theorist” should never be used. It was a phrase invented by the CIA that the CIA encouraged its media assets to use to attempt to discredit anyone criticizing the CIA’s clandestine and black operations activities. That document is CIA Document #1035-960, marked “PSYCH” (for presumably Psychological Warfare Operations), in the division “CS”, the Clandestine Services, sometimes known as the “dirty tricks” department.

Although there is no question that bin Laden was involved in the 911 crime, you’d have to be delusional to believe that bin Laden was able to carry out this crime on US soil without the knowledge of the US Government. It has already been well established that the US government, run by Bush and Cheney, was given ample warnings by several other nations:

March 2001 – Italian intelligence warns of an al-Qaeda plot in the United States involving a massive strike involving aircraft, based on their wiretap of al-Qaeda cell in Milan.

July 2001 – Jordanian intelligence told US officials that al-Qaeda was planning an attack on American soil, and Egyptian intelligence warned the CIA that 20 al-Qaeda Jihadists were in the United States, and that four of them were receiving flight training.

August 2001 – The Israeli Mossad gives the CIA a list of 19 terrorists living in the US and say that they appear to be planning to carry out an attack in the near future.

August 2001 – The United Kingdom is warned three times of an imminent al-Qaeda attack in the United States, the third specifying multiple airplane hijackings. According to the Sunday Herald, the report is passed on to President Bush a short time later.

September 2001 – Egyptian intelligence warns American officials that al-Qaeda is in the advanced stages of executing a significant operation against an American target, probably within the US.

Yet, Bush pretended as though it was a total surprise attack. Morever, the evidence demonstrates conclusively that the FBI deliberately sought to BLOCK any intelligence pertaining to terrorist activities in preparation for 911. ALL of the FBI leaders involved in successfully blocking investigations that could have saved lives were PROMOTED, not fired.

And even after the 911 crimes, Bush and Cheney sought to black Tom Dashle from pursuing an independent 911 investigation:


There are many, many unanswered questions about the 911 crime. And many of them will forever be unanswered because the USA Government, under Bush, made sure that critical evidence was immediately destroyed, rather than preserved as a crime scene should be preserved.

But one thing we do not absolutely about 911. It was used as a pretext by the US Military Industrial Complex (“MIC”) to embark on a serves of wars costing a staggering $6 trillion and thousands and thousands of American lives, but with no discernable benefits. Even Debbie acknowledges that, if anything, the stance of the US Government (under Bush and Obama) has been to HELP advance the causes of terrorism against US citizens here and abroad.

I have only scratched the surface of problems about the 911 crimes. But if Carroll has lots of questions of his own, that is certainly understandable and makes him far from a “nut.” Only mindless fools simply believe what the spinmeisters of US intelligence peddle to their media assets. Intelligent people recognize problems and they ask questions–that is, if they do not want to remain ignorant and in the darkness.

Ralph Adamo on February 3, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    Ralph, was the “Japanese strike” on Pearl Harbor an inside job as well?

    skzion on February 4, 2014 at 11:59 am

      Ralph, you seem unaware that there are whole areas of study dedicated to understanding what would seem to be inexplicably irrational behavior. As you read this, how many illegals (and how many illegal Muslims) have gotten into America?

      skzion on February 4, 2014 at 12:03 pm

        I’m allowing for the possibility that Ralph is being sarcastic. He has written a couple of sarcastic posts recently. Here’s hoping.

        Little Al on February 4, 2014 at 12:14 pm

          The sentence about blocking Tom Dashle (sic) seemed like a potential tipoff. I will be disappointed if it is a serious comment, but you never know.

          Little Al on February 4, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    Instead of “Conspiracy Theorist”, how about we use the term: “Tooth Fairy”? I know that’s not so good, so someone else come up with new term. How about just plain “SUCKER”!?

    David on February 4, 2014 at 12:44 pm

This 911 thing boils down to two options: either believe without a doubt that your government wouldn’t lie, is incapable of lying, and is telling the complete truth. The other option is to see two buildings fall symmetrically into their own footprint, and a 3rd building with little damage fall at freefall speed (NIST aka govt admits freefall) which is only possible with controlled demolition. The tactics used by govt devotees is to use ad hominem and straw man fallacies to attempt to discredit ppl questioning the official story. Fun facts; Empire building was hit by b-45 (still standing), buildings in spain and china have burned for over 24 hours and never collapsed. I was 14 watching the towers collapsed, without any ‘theories’, experts, or suggestions I was shocked at how fast and how straight the towers fell. 6 years I saw Tower 7 fall and burst out in laughter in how stupid the american ppl are.

jeff on February 4, 2014 at 1:11 am

    I’m just throwing this out speculatively: Why does it have to be either an inside job or terrorism that got lucky? What if the terrorists, who managed to get into the WTC in 1993 to do significant damage, learned from their failure and were able to mine the building for a controlled demolition? I believe the engineers who think that the fall right into the footprints had to have been planned and controlled by carefully placed explosives and Building #7 is a problem. I don’t believe that fire and debris fall could bring down such a perfect collapse, again into it’s footprint. But as to who did it? I guess we may never know absolutely. That will depend on our credulity as to which group had enough motive to do such a ghastly and evil act of war.

    Meira on February 4, 2014 at 4:40 am

      The point is, it was TERRORISM, either from foreign sources or domestic ones engaging in black ops. I don’t know if Bin Laden,being an engineer, would just cross his fingers and hope that a well placed flying bomb [plane loaded with het fuel] would do the job. That the planes entered at different altitudes, sort of disproves that idea because they would have had to find the vulnerable spot in the structure and being identical, it would be the same spot. It would seem that an engineer would use the planes as detonators for a larger explosion and if the theories of the Towers being built to “pancake” are true, why would they be built that way and not a way to ensure they didn’t fall?

      Meira on February 4, 2014 at 4:46 am

        Because that’s the way they used to build buildings. And, I’m sure they’re still building many that way. The difference now is that many have better supports and connectors to prevent the pancaking, but the basic design is the same. Many of the buildings in the earthquakes in California did the same thing.

        Pray Hard on February 4, 2014 at 11:52 am

    I guess the science of physics is being reduced to the level of the science of meteorology (climate change) these days. The ludicrous dogmas of Lysenko will turn out to be chicken feed compared with the effects that growing political correctness will, more and more, have on science, especially as affirmative action takes hold more and more in science departments, medical schools and research (?) institutions.

    Little Al on February 4, 2014 at 10:37 am

      Uh, er, excuse me. I forgot to add genetics to the list. In time we will outdo Lysenko.

      Little Al on February 4, 2014 at 10:40 am

What an unmitigated d-bag! I’ve never liked Carroll anyway, with his childish sideline behavior like jumping around and chawing gum like a 10-year old. But this? Was he sound tone deaf and clueless that he wouldn’t realize how offensive it was to keep driving on with his conspiracy theories after Chiarelli explained to him that he was IN THE PENTAGON when it happened and lost people he knew? A NORMAL person would have said “oh, I dind’t know that, I’m sorry for your loss.” Ohhhhh, wait… Pete grew up in California during Vietnam and Watergate. So? I grew up in Connecticut during Vietnam and Watergate. It didn’t turn me into a such a clueless asshole. While I give credit to the General for not pummeling Carroll right there in his office, a part of me would have LOVED to see him do it. Does this mean that Carroll believes any ACTUAL conspiracies that are going on? How about the Banghazi cover up? Fast and Furious? IRS targeting? Unchecked executive overreach? I’m the appropriately named Peter thinks those are actually conspiracies to create conspiracies! Yeah, that’s it, that’s the ticket.

Sean M on February 4, 2014 at 8:11 am

There are three very respectable group of professionals with years of experience in their fields who have refuted the government’s explanation of what happened on 9/11.One group is of engineers and architects, the other of pilots and the third of scholars.. Before calling these very professional and dedicated patriots nuts I would advise going to their webpage and reading what they have to say.

Jerry G on February 4, 2014 at 10:12 am

    I’ve seen that group of architects and engineers in action. There are engineers and architects who are as nutty as fruitcakes and those guys are nuts.

    Pray Hard on February 4, 2014 at 11:39 am

Do all of these learned groups just have one webpage? You are clearly a very well educated person who is able to understand the complexity of this situation.

Little Al on February 4, 2014 at 10:30 am

There’s a psychological thing going on here. When deadly, massive, frightening things occur we immediately revert to the scared child and we try to find reasons and, as with our childish beliefs in all powerful mommies and daddies, we start projecting that fear onto the things we think we know and that we think we have some, at least, conceptual control over. That might be the government, the CIA, Mossad, Zionists, etc. We are afraid to allow ourselves to believe that there are actually people out there who are so evil and who we have so little control over. We cannot believe that our government (the all powerful mommy and daddy) would not protect us from this evil. So, just a little more transference and we’re blaming the government, just a slight amount more transference and we’re believing the government did it. If we can believe that, then we’re safe from the real monster again … until next time. Muslims are good at psychological warfare and they are winning. As long as any of us are in Islamic delusion we’re losing. I remember screaming at George Bush on the TV that morning and frantically trying to wrap my mind around the attacks. None of us are immune.

Pray Hard on February 4, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    That was a really nice analyses, PH.

    skzion on February 6, 2014 at 11:56 am

9/11 attack was the work of a conspiracy, unless it was an unplanned accident. The official version is a conspiracy theory. The Truther versions are conspiracy theories. The only disagreement is who was involved in the conspiracy. Many Americans no longer have faith and trust in the Federal govt. The Feds lie when it’s convenient, and tell the truth when it’s convenient. Personally, unless the Federal govt presents plausible evidence for whatever they are peddling, I assume there’s a good chance I’m being lied to. The 9/11 official story is not backed by evidence that stands up under scrutiny. The official conspiracy theory is no more believable than any other conspiracy theory.And the Osama videos could easily have been done with actors.

JoeG on February 4, 2014 at 12:36 pm

I have returned after my self-imposed 44 day exile. And I have a message for certain folk(s) on this web site. Anyone who has a problem with ANY of the slant of my verbiage (hint, hint!), take it up with Debbie, as I have returned at her invitation, and after discussions with her on same. And I did not name names, so no one can accuse me of “tattling.”

Let’s get down to the 911 Crouching Islam, Falling Towers controversy. Anyone here smoke cigars? Anyone here ever hear of a butane torch lighter? Anyone here know the temperature jet fuel burns at? Read PDMac60’s post again, as well pay careful attention to what Meira and Pray Hard said.

Anyone here ever been through an earthquake? I have, back to back 5.1 and 5.3, just off the west coast here, very shallow epicenters, on December 17, 2011. And at one minute after midnight, on the morning of Monday, January 13, 2014, there was a 6.4 35 miles north of the town of Hatillo, which ROCKED THE ENTIRE ISLAND OF PUERTO RICO, and was felt in the Dominican Republic.

People were calling up my favorite radio program from all over Puerto Rico, including the town of Cabo Rojo, which I live just outside of, and as far away as areas like Ponce, where I have relatives, to talk about it. 35 miles north of Hatillo, a town in the north coast, out in the ocean, and people were calling up from the SOUTH COAST that felt it. Certain open heavy steel doors of my house rattled from the underground vibrations.

The impact of The Towers falling no doubt disturbed the structure of the terrain down below, including underneath. Anyone ever take the subway under that area? Anyone know about the trains trapped and the station that was closed for a long, long time? It was crushed. Telling me the entire area for a good wide radius in the downtown area wasn’t disturbed severely?

Know what that does to the stability of the ground, especially man made structures, which have HOLLOW AREAS LIKE SUBWAY TUNNELS RUNNING UNDERNEATH THEM?

YES, we should always be suspicious of an ever burgeoning federal government power structure, such as has occurred here in recent decades. Yes, we should question with suspicion. But who WASN’T watching The Towers burn, and wondering when/if they would fall. Back to the temperature jet fuel burns at. What does Rosie O’Dumbo THINK goes in to the making of steel anyway? FIRE HAS TO MELT ROCK AND THE ELEMENTS THEREIN.

Okay, the trolls, truthers and Islamic Pander Bears can get back to talking about how Bush and Da Joooooos brought down The Towers. I’ll leave you with some more fodder for discussion, since I have to get outside and do some farm work. Bush actually steered Katrina toward Nawlins, ESPECIALLY the BLACK neighborhoods. Then, he called The Army Corps of Engineers and told them to break the levees so those black neighborhoods would be flooded. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT!!!


Oh, one more thing. During my time away, I read every article and comment, except for movie reviews. I miss Skunky, too, so if BigD wants me to do some Skunky shtick to make him feel more at home, I’ll give it a whirl.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on February 4, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    I am happy to see you back, Alfredo. Hopefully Skunky will come back also.

    Little Al on February 4, 2014 at 1:37 pm

      Thank you VERY much, L.A. The encouragement I have received will help the machetes and hatchet swing with more force today, and ongoing.

      Alfredo from Puerto Rico on February 4, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    “And I have a message for certain folk(s) on this web site. Anyone who has a problem with ANY of the slant of my verbiage (hint, hint!), take it up with Debbie, as I have returned at her invitation, and after discussions with her on same.”

    As you are referring to me, Alfredo, allow me to note that I never suggested that you should leave, nor did I ever desire you to leave. I also did not think Debbie wanted you to leave, nor did I ever suggest she did.

    I wanted you not to proselytize. If you do so again, I will respond precisely as I did before, in the same forum in which you proselytize: here.

    skzion on February 4, 2014 at 3:59 pm

      P.S.: It’s REAAAAALY easy, Alfredo. You are the ONLY Christian here who proselytizes. The. Only. One. There’s not even a dispute about whether you do proselytize, as you’ve acknowledged that you do. But you whiiiiiine and pooooor meeee when I call you out on it. Evidently, you would have a forum in which you could advocate for the conversion (and therefore elimination) of Jews but where Jews could only sit quietly by.

      I would not be part of a forum where such rules governed.

      skzion on February 4, 2014 at 4:12 pm

        Okay, I was going to continue to be the man of peace that I am, but you started with me way back. I never started with you, but you copped attitude after attitude, then made war on me. YOU started with ME. First, you got irked, then in the Phil Robertson thread, you stepped it up to a personal attack, and a disrespectful royal smackdown. Now you’re cleverly hiding behind the I never told you to leave premise. Let’s take it one at a time.

        Your contention that this is a “Jewish web site.” Take it up with Debbie.

        Your complaints about my “proselytizing,” take it up with the lady of the house.

        As for your whining about me not coming to your defense, when Gerald chided you with “does Alfredo offend your sense of Jewishness,” are you for real? I am really disappointed, because you have displayed intelligence, a wealth of knowledge, especially in Jewish affairs of all sorts, yet you fall down horribly when it comes to knowledge of internet protocol and etiquette.

        Did you really think I would take your bait when you hit me with “used you as his foil?” Go fight your own battles. Just because Gerald chose to invoke my name, the problem you have with each other is BETWEEN YOU. It’s one of the oldest tricks in the book to whine about someone not coming to their defense when a troll or other member chooses to invoke someone else’s name. I’m not a kid, and I’ve been on internet chat forums for 14 years. I know how to avoid trouble, and mind my own business.

        You want to play web site mall cop, in the guise of “protecting my fellow Jew?” Take it up with The Boss Lady. You want to smack me every time I “proselytize?” Go ahead. I will continue to ignore you. You are looking for war, and I am a man of peace. It’s funny that you should take after me, when you can be so interestingly silent when real trouble is going on, especially between solid members who should be able to get along better.

        Oh, and as for my statement way back that people who make it in to The Kingdom will never get thirsty, tired or hungry, because they will be spirit beings, yet could eat or drink if they want, take a look at your own Torah. That’s right, I’m not going with the New Testament here. Abraham and Sarah made and served food to angels who transformed themselves in to humans. And Abraham and Sarah watched them eat it. There are other such moments in The Old Testament.

        Goodbye and God bless you. I do mean that sincerely, but don’t expect any further communication from me.

        Alfredo from Puerto Rico on February 4, 2014 at 7:34 pm

          Alfredo is quite the man of peace, so long as one capitulates to him. He does not deny that he proselytizes, but now he thinks that he has the ok of the blogress to do it. But see Devarim 13:6 ff on the matter.


          Alfredo’s typically meandering comment is irrelevant. Whether he engages me in the future is also irrelevant. I will do what I said I would do if he proselytizes.

          skzion on February 5, 2014 at 11:16 am

    Alfredo, for all your snarky criticism, there’s not a bit of credible argument to anything your wrote. 9/11 WAS an inside job.

    Maags on June 5, 2015 at 9:18 am

People seem to think that if one says that the government had at least a hand in this, then that person is saying that there is no such thing as ‘muslim terrorists’.

This is completely wrong. Muslim terrorists are bad news. However, just because Bin Laden – who worked for Bush, Sr. and the CIA in the 80s running gun for the Taliban against the Soviets in Afghanistan – said he did it on tape, doesn’t mean he did it. And, likewise, just because they are bad news, doesn’t mean the terrorists did 9/11. These terrorists have never done anything remotely like 9/11 before or after, and yet we are to believe that Bin Laden directed this from a cave?

Is that Plausible?

How about these:

The government’s own agency, NIST, investigated building 7 and determined that ‘typical office fires brought down building 7″. If this is the case, then every single high rise building in the world should be taken down immediately, as they are too dangerous.

And, if the US gov’t was for real, why did they not mention one word about building 7 in the official 9/11 report?

And Donald Rumsfeld, in 2010, said on the radio that ‘he never heard of building 7’.

And around the same time, Joe Lieberman said on tape that ‘building 7 never came down’.

And around the same time, Joe Biden said on tape that ‘building 7 came down from a controlled situation’.

Do we think there’s a problem here?

Why did Bush and Cheney testify behind closed doors and not under oath to the 9/11 commission?

A few other things:

The gov’t said that the plane that hit the Pentagon eviscerated. It’s the first time this happened in history. This is how the gov’t explained the fact that there were no pieces of debris found from the plane that they said hit the pentagon.

Also, the opening on the pentagon was 65 feet wide, yet the plane that hit the building was 125′ wide. Why did the wings not make a dent into the building on the sides of the hole?

And, further, the hole was originally 10 by 16 feet for the first hour, until the entire 65′ wide section fell. This happens to be the correct size for a cruise missile.

And what happened to the video that the Pentagon shoots? Why haven’t we seen it?

And what happened to the anti-aircraft guns on the roof of the pentagon? Why weren’t they used?

And why were fighter jets not dispatched that morning, when normal protocol calls for fighters to respond anytime a plane is off course for 2 minutes.

And how did the terrorist who couldn’t fly a prop plane make a maneuver that an experience pilot could make 1 in 10 tries when he struck the pentagon. He flew a commercial jet like a fighter.

And does anyone think it odd that Marvin Bush, the president’s brother, was an owner of Securicom, the company which ran security on the Twin Towers for 9 months up and 9/11?

If the gov’t had such massive failures, why wasn’t anyone shitcanned?

The government is clearly hiding something.

They are either hiding their incompetence or they are hiding their role in that day. To me, the evidence clearly leans toward an inside job with giving Bin Laden money to take the credit, or blame, depending how you look at it.

Anyone who can answer these questions works for the government.

if you are honest, face the facts and demand a new investigation.

What has happened since that day?

The gov’t has made America into 1984, while at the same time running 2 wars without end against enemies without end, for unknown reasons, or to bring ‘democracy’ to those who don’t want it and don’t know what to do with it.

And ,for this, we can’t get on a plane without getting gate raped or cancer, we can’t type anything or call anyone without the gov’t recording it for 100 years, and the folks who gave us these wars are getting filty rich. (the bankers, the military-industrial complex, the bushes, cheney’s, etc.)

Make up your own minds and stop with the name calling. You owe it to your children.

Bob on February 4, 2014 at 1:26 pm

Oh, and as for the B-25 (no such thing as a B-45) that crashed in to the Empire State Building, it was a small propeller plane compared to today’s commercial airliners, not carrying jet fuel, and it practically bounced off, didn’t penetrate the building.

Anyone know the speed of a commercial airliner? They can travel up to 600 mph. Know what that is? 880 feet per SECOND!!! In other words, go down to a football field, stand on one goal line, and have a friend stand on the other goal line. 600 mph is nearly three times that distance, in ONE SECOND. That’s gonna hurt.

Bob, don’t accuse people of name calling. You and others of your ilk make excellent points, which I addressed in my “suspicion” comments. What about Flight 800? Did you notice a few months ago, the investigators tried to speak out yet again, calling for a new investigation? The story disappeared in a couple days. Remember when The Great StainMaker was in power, how people suddenly started changing their stories and dropping dead when the “bimbo eruptions” occurred?

Of COURSE people in government do dirty, filthy deeds. This is all in the Bible, which is why the human race is going to have to learn the hard way that we need to trust in a Government Of God, By God, and For God, not a government of man. Because only a government run by God will be good for all the people, all the time.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on February 4, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    You must be wrong, Alfredo.

    If you where right, the governement would not be out to protect the american people and the entire world, have everyone´s best intentions at heart except for a few bad people.

    Instead, it would only have to be horribly incompetent, evil, sometimes both. That can´t be true because if it was, we would all be in big troubles.

    I will not discuss what you wrote because it goes way over my head, I can´t argue you wrong at all, so instead I´ll just attack you personally.

    I´ll call you a nuttjob and a looser that can´t get laid, that is far more reassuring and comfortable for me to do.

    I am happy wallowing in my ignorance, well not so happy since the 2008 crash and a recent knock-out but the recovery will accelerate and the streets will become safer… what evidence I have to say that? Obama said it would be so, so it must be true!

    Jaws on February 5, 2014 at 9:45 am

      ROTFLMAO!!! Jaws!!! That was great. Got stuff to do for the rest of the day, be back tonight. Thanks again.

      Alfredo from Puerto Rico on February 5, 2014 at 11:19 am

My gosh the kooks are still at it. Do you clowns really think if Bush and/or his administration “masterminded” that 9-11 Islamic attack that Obama wouldn’t take the real PROOF (not doctored YouTube videos) and jumped on it to blame Bush for this? It would have been a PERFECT coup that would have kept Republicans from EVER getting elected again! But maybe Obama didn’t want that info and swept it under the rug? Really??

No. Let’s not be reasonable. Let’s focus on the shadow government with space aliens at the helm.

PDMac60 on February 4, 2014 at 2:07 pm

PDMac60, I’m SHOCKED!!! Don’t you know Elvis is still alive? I saw him five days ago at the supermarket, still wearing the white jumpsuit with the big belt. Looks a bit older, but still good. He was signing autographs and speaking perfect Spanish. C’mon down, and I’ll take you to where his cattle roam. He’s living the quiet life these days, as a jibaro in the backwoods, not far from where I live.


Alfredo from Puerto Rico on February 4, 2014 at 2:12 pm

And Alfredo! Have you smoked a good Cohiba or Macanudo lately? Good to see you back!

PDMac60 on February 4, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    Hmmmmmmm, I did have a two year old Cu-Avana Intenso Punisher Torpedo the other night.

    Alfredo from Puerto Rico on February 4, 2014 at 7:13 pm

When I ran for Manhattan Borough President in 2005 (Republicans can never win that position; a far left guy like Bill De Blasio just became mayor in a landslide), my campaign was for eliminating a useless government position. The borough presidents had lost their power after a lawsuit and a new city charter, and became expensive figureheads. However, I also would have looked into issues with the World Trade Center. Well, I wasn’t elected, and the Democrat political hack just got bumped up to comptroller.

There was a country that attacked us on 9-11. It wasn’t Afghanistan. It wasn’t Iraq. It wasn’t Israel. It was Saudi Arabia. The hijackers were mostly from Saudi Arabia.

Philip Marshall wrote THE BIG BAMBOOZLE: 9/11 AND THE WAR ON TERROR (2012). He meticulously detailed Saudi involvement in 9-11. In 2013, Marshall was found dead in his home, along with his wife, kids, and the family dog. This was closed as a murder-suicide, although many believe it was an obvious hit.

George W. Bush (the Bush family was in the oil business) was very close to many in Saudi Arabia. Bush kissed a Saudi king. Barack Obama bowed to him.

It was recently announced that Barack Obama will visit Saudi Arabia (not Israel) next month. Former Manhattan Borough President Percy Sutton once said in a NY1 interview that someone from Saudi Arabia helped put Barack Obama into Harvard.

The New York Post published “Inside the Saudi 9-11 Coverup” on December 15, 2013. Congressmen Walter Jones (R-NC) and Stephen Lynch (D-Mass.) were supposedly going to look into this, but probably won’t. From that story:

>>The Saudis deny any role in 9/11, but the CIA in one memo reportedly found “incontrovertible evidence” that Saudi government officials — not just wealthy Saudi hardliners, but high-level diplomats and intelligence officers employed by the kingdom — helped the hijackers both financially and logistically. The intelligence files cited in the report directly implicate the Saudi embassy in Washington and consulate in Los Angeles in the attacks, making 9/11 not just an act of terrorism, but an act of war.<<

So, yes, there are things about 9-11 that I certainly want answers to.

Have fun on your trip to Saudi Arabia, Barack Obama. Take Michelle with you!

Barry Popik on February 4, 2014 at 2:32 pm

It is embarrassing to have to say this, but the fact that there are unanswered questions about 9/11 does not mean that the U.S. Government was complicit in the attack.

Likewise, the fact that the U.S. Government did not sufficiently challenge Islamic (or other) terrorism before or after 9/11 does not mean the Government was complicit in the attack.

Shadowy, non-peer-reviewed, or raw data raising questions about 9/11 does not mean the Government was complicit in the attack.

Popular Mechanics knowledge of physics suggesting conspiracy around 9/11 does not mean the Government was complicit in the attack.

Writing this, I almost feel like I am answering critics who do not think the Earth is round.

Little Al on February 4, 2014 at 2:52 pm

I notice that none of the people who are saying it was a conspiracy mention the fact tat this was the second attack on the World trade center and that the first attackers tried to down the buildings by dynamiting the underground car park.
The Bin Laden family made most of their immense fortune through civil construction and OBL was a trained civil engineer . Here in Australia,multicultural TV station ,SBS, had made a program some years earlier warning of OSB and his connections to the first attack. The program was thought to be interesting but ignored outside of Australia. OSB was said to be behind the attacks on US targets and the program mentioned that his family were suadi’s and wahabists. The most feral of all of the cults sects.
The world still Kowtows to the Saudi’s ,whose behavior in their own country could only be described as barbaric with slavery,sexual and domestic, total disregard for western mores , laws based on personal prejudices rather than actual thoughts of justice and a primitive cult which they call a religion.
All because of money and as it has been said…the root of all evil is the love of money…
The use of the term “conspiracy theorist ” ,to my mind is offensive because of the scum who first coined it. The German national socialists of the 1930’s ,who were quick to name any detractors in other countries as Conspiracy theorists when it was suggested that Germany was building up to a war and were about to strip the jews of their citizenship.

Aron B on February 4, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    Aron B, that is an often, and unfortunately misquoted, yet still true, passage from the Bible. It depends on the translation one is reading, but basically, it is . . .

    “The love of money is a root of many kinds of evil.”

    It is impossible to be the root of all evil, because rape and child molestation has nothing to do with financial gain.

    Alfredo from Puerto Rico on February 4, 2014 at 7:10 pm

      Actually, rape does have financial gain. Example 1 would be the “rape” of a civilization for the purpose of pillaging and assimilating the people to their customs.

      Example 2 would be the case where the woman accuses a man of rape for child support, solely because that woman has no further interests in life and would rather throw it all away just for money to spend on alcohol or raising a child.

      Example 3 would be false accusations of molestation just to get rid of someone in the said persons competitive field. Another is accusing a person of high profile–black mail–for a big settlement of “hush money” when said events never really occurred.

      IanZk on February 6, 2014 at 5:51 am

    Aron Boring has long gone. A typical hit and run job.

    skzion on February 7, 2014 at 12:50 am

I expect Skunky would have something to say regarding Aron Boring.

skzion on February 4, 2014 at 4:14 pm

911 was indeed and inside job. What is the evidence that the Saudi guys really did it…passports?..ROFL How convenient that the passports weren’t burned in the fire and were found amount the countless thousands of tons of debree. How convenient that Osama was later “buried at sea” when he was supposedly taken out by that SEAL team which conveniently met untimely ends themselves, to show respect show the desert religion of Islam. What a joke 911 conspiracy deniers are. Ignorant fools.

Rubgy011 on February 9, 2014 at 7:57 pm

Okay Rugby, let’s scrum. Who did it?

OH, OF COURSE, . . .



Alfredo from Puerto Rico on February 9, 2014 at 11:45 pm

    You obfuscate. It is easy to prove that the government story is a lie, and that is the point.

    Your childish tactics are typical.

    Rugby011 on February 10, 2014 at 12:50 pm

So why don’t you prove it, then? Instead of calling names and getting insulting, instead of acting mysterious, high minded and high handed, tell us where to go for this “proof.” We all have computers here. Show us the encyclopedic references to “prove” that the story is a hoax. Show us your sources. It’s easy to point fingers, use ten dollar words like “obfuscate” and call names, acting like you have a superiority complex. There are a bunch of us who are willing to explore this “proof.” Show it.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on February 10, 2014 at 8:56 pm

I don’t know you, so I am speaking in generalizations so don’t take this personal. I don’t you for a second that you are “willing to explore” 911 truth.

I notice the tactics of the anti-truthers is to pull the discussion to a petty level of name calling, instead of honestly debating the points.

That tactic is very effective in encouraging contempt to spew from both sides, instead of reasoned thinking. Since the truth is the enemy of anti-truthers, getting people away from measured, critical thinking where the truth may be uncovered is an obvious goal. That is my real problem with anti-truthers, not that they disagree, but that they obfuscate the subject by any means necessary.

I will attempt not to be sucked into this game, although I admit that once discourse is lowered to that level, it is easy for one’s own level to drop with it.

As for proof of government lies concerning 911, the evidence is legion. If you really were so willing to “explore”, I think you would have no problem finding this evidence on your own.

Could you start by “exploring” how these hijackers could have flown the planes with such incredible skill, and why some have received training on US military bases?

Could you explain why you have to be a nutjob to believe in conspiracies. What the heck is it that you people think the CIA does for a living? Why is it a crime to read government white papers with a skeptical eye? I mean the government admits that it uses psyops. what is psyops, other than another name for goverNment lies and propaganda?

Look, to do this subject justice, I should write and entire book. But that is a full time job. The bottom line though again is that I do not expect everybody just to believe the same as I do about 911, but I do expect people stop with the cheapshots, name calling and such and really have an honest interest in THE TRUTH.

I’ll do the same, so if you could give me your evidence that Bin Laden really was the ring leader from his cave in Afghanistan, and that our military protective shield was really so pathetically ineffective that a few punks could defeat it, please give me that. I really have not seen any evidence myself, other than just statements from the media without verification.

A video of a guy who doesn’t even look like Bin Laden, in a happy mood doesn’t cut it for me.

Rugby011 on February 11, 2014 at 2:44 pm

If you’re the one believing the government lies you are indeed as foolish if not more asinine then the government. The shit was planned, Osama was a cover up. If a plane crashed into the towers it would of went over while falling, but nope it went straight down because bombs were planted at the lower level of the tower. Islams believe in peace, not terrorizing. Blame your government for this, open your eyes and stop following like a blind fool. Do more research on the subject instead of believing the government. Go read up on Islamic beliefs instead of making false accusations.

FrostyDaSnowmane on October 18, 2014 at 3:55 pm

9/11 WAS an inside job. I’m with Coach Carol ! Truther POWER !

Conspiracy Theorist is a derogatory term, coined by the CIA during the assassination of JFK, to discourage people from asking critical question, and question the sanity of those who do. Go Coach Carroll ! You tell them the truth they can’t digest !

Maags on June 5, 2015 at 9:13 am

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