October 5, 2009, - 3:57 pm

The Next Supreme Ct Op to Show Our “International Humanity” (How Will Sotomayor Vote?)

By Debbie Schlussel

In 2005, the U.S. Supreme Court outlawed the death penalty for U.S. residents under the age of 18 a/k/a juveniles, no matter how heinous their crimes and how clear it was that they knew what they were doing.  In Roper v. Simmons, the court relied on a series of ridiculous bases for the ruling, including international law (goodbye, U.S. sovereignty) and the claim that there is a “national consensus” among states that such executions are wrong (Supreme Court decisions via instant poll?).


Let Joe Sullivan Out?: At 13, He Raped 72-Year-Old.

The problem with the ruling is that it gave no incentive to violent juveniles to decline murdering someone, knowing that they would get away with it and get to live.  And not only that, but probably be out of the slammer by age 21.

Now, I fear a similar ruling and result in Sullivan v. Florida and Graham v. Florida, companion cases that the Supreme Court is scheduled to decide this term.  In those cases, the Court will decide whether or not it’s “cruel and unusual” punishment for minors to be given life in prison with no chance for parole.

Now that the court has already nixed the death penalty for 17-year-old rapists and killers, I predict the court will soon decide that these cretins can’t be required to serve life either.  Keep in mind, as I noted above, that most juvenile offenders–yes, even murderers–get out of prison when they turn 21.  It’s a very gruesome, extremely violent and brutal few who are sentenced to spend eternity behind bars.  And they deserve it.  They have no value on the outside, and in fact, they have a negative value because they’re likely to commit crimes again.

Take Nathaniel Abraham.  When he was 11, the Detroit-area native shot and killed a man, just for the heck of it.  He knew what he was doing.  But liberal judges spared him, and at 21 he was released from prison in a tax-paid pimp suit and lots of public assistance for an apartment and college tuition, something non-murderers don’t get.  He announced plans to become a rapper and a preacher.  Abraham is behind bars again because he became a drug dealer.  Shocker.

Then, there are the individuals at issue in the cases currently before the Supreme Court.

In 1989, Joe Sullivan was convicted of breaking into a Pensacola, Fla., house, stealing jewelry and coins, and raping the 72-year-old woman who lived there.

Coming after 17 prior offenses that included assault, burglary and animal cruelty, a judge found that rehabilitation was hopeless. He sentenced Mr. Sullivan to life imprisonment, which in Florida carries no possibility of parole.

Mr. Sullivan was 13 years old. That fact alone makes the sentence unconstitutional, says Bryan Stevenson, executive director of the Equal Justice Initiative, a Montgomery, Ala., nonprofit that represents indigent defendants.

Some people are just wicked, simply evil. And incurably so. That they are 13 doesn’t make it any less the case. Sullivan must have known when he was 13 that raping a 72-year-old woman wasn’t just wrong. It was the behavior of an animal. And if he didn’t know it then, he’ll never know it. And, as the judge in his case noted, he will NEVER be rehabilitated.

I wonder if this creature, Bryan Stevenson, who is trying to get this monster freed from prison would be willing to let Sullivan live next door to him in a halfway house in his neighborhood. No, actually, I don’t wonder. Because I think we all know the answer. Yet, he wants this animal in human skin freed on the good people of Florida, already victims of his horrifics.

Graham, the other “victim” (read: criminal) of the the lifetime incarcerations in Florida, was convicted of armed burglary of a Jacksonville barbecue restaurant at age 16. The Supreme court ordered separate arguments in the cases because of the different ages of the litigants, but will decide the cases together.

I’m all for locking these kids up for life. They knew better, but they committed heinous, vile crimes anyway. A release from prison won’t make it better. But it will make it worse. We all know about the high recidivism rate from prison. Juveniles are no exception and probably worse because they are so impressionable. I’ve represented juveniles accused of violent crimes. They hang in juvenile prison with fellow offenders and define deviancy and crime down. It’s not a source of shame. It’s a source of pride and notch on the belt.

I fear for the Supreme Court decision in Sullivan and Graham. And I worry we’ll get another baloney opinion like the Roper v. Simmons decision, filled with liberal sobbing over “root causes” and how “cruel” we are. I’m sure it will, like in that case, cite international law (that no-one follows) and some nebulous national consensus. I’m sure the decision will play the race card here, since both criminals locked up for life are Black, though there are plenty of Whites who get and deserve this “lifetime achievement” award. Race has nothing to do with it. But I’m sure Sonia Sotomayor a/k/a Justice So-So will vote with the other liberals on the court . . . in favor of freeing violent criminals to commit further trauma on the general population.

And by the way, remember former Wyoming U.S. Senator Alan Simpson? He’s the one who kept giving illegal aliens amnesty and telling us it would be the last time. He’s also one of the fools supporting the release of these animals in kids’ bodies. He joined other juvies in an amicus brief supporting their release.

When the inmates are running the asylum, civil society ceases to exist. We’re already long on that path. And this case is yet another giant step toward the United States of Wilding.

The only “cruel and unusual punishment” here is siccing these soulless criminals back on the society they violated.

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13 Responses

Eye for an eye. Life for a life.

Sotomayor will vote to give KILLERS REWARDS AND LIFETIME GRANTS ON SOCIAL SECURITY because they “just can’t conform their behavior” to society standards.

goldenmike4393 on October 5, 2009 at 4:46 pm

The ideal answer to this problem is, to quote a line from “My Cousin Vinny”…FRY ‘EM.

But alas, this will never be. Maybe one can only hope that while the convicted “children” are in prison, they will get their just punishment from their sadistic cell mate, Bubba.

Rocky on October 5, 2009 at 5:11 pm

Had Debbie been a Supreme Court Justice, may be it would have swayed them. You never can tell since people who go to Washington want to be liked on the cocktail circuit.

NormanF on October 5, 2009 at 7:52 pm

At Maxey here in Michigan the kids are actually given easier time. If people only could see how these little demons, some are about 6’5″ as teens, are coddled.

For obvious reasons I’m not going to elaborate too much but I will give an example. About a month ago an out of control juvi decided to go on a tear and disobey all the orders that the wet nurses had given this animal. He had gotten out of his living area and had pushed past who ever else was supposed to secure him where he was supposed to be. He then began kicking on a door that led to the adult side that houses the mentally ill where he presumably would’ve continued to challenge authority in a physical manner. A staff member that he had a rapport with stepped up and leveled with the creature. She told him that if he were to crash through the door(steel single door)he wouldn’t be confronted with the kind of staff that he was used to. He would be treated as an adult. He left and went home to his assigned cell. I know a lot of guys that were rooting silently for him to be successful. The juvinile system is not working as evidenced by Nathanial Abraham and scores of other degenerates that I work with daily. They are treated as college students in a laid back military academy.

Joe on October 6, 2009 at 12:03 am

[Debbie-The problem with the ruling is that it gave no incentive to violent juveniles to decline murdering someone, knowing that they would get away with it and get to live.]

The incentive is exactly the problem. Gangs know about the difference in treatment juveniles get, which is why gangs choose juveniles to commit a lot of the crimes.

I would bet gang (and other violence) would go way down if juveniles knew in advance they would receive the punishment they earned.

I_AM_ME on October 6, 2009 at 8:08 am

When I served on a Florida grand jury (which is a 6 month term), all of the cases we heard where cases involving murders committed by teenagers. We voted to indict, for capital murder, on ALL cases, based on the evidence we heard- which included audio tapes of the perpetrators describing their crimes. Chilling stuff.

Funny thing is the two female elementary school teachers on the grand jury would always hem and haw about voting to indict. The public high school principle (who happened to be Black), ALWAYS was the first to say LET’S VOTE TO INDICT after hearing the evidence…

(The grand jury’s job was to determine if there was enough evidence to bring someone to trial, i.e. indict. It was then up to a trial jury to ultimately decide guilt or innocence).

BTW, my fellow Americans- YOU ALL have the RIGHT to demand a grand jury investigation…

Doda McCheesle on October 6, 2009 at 9:55 am

Lock-em away for ever!! I am so tired of hearing all this cry-baby liberal crap that it’s because they live in the projects or the white man has oppressed them. I recently had one of these “kids” pull a knife on my 13 yr old daughter and threaten to kill her because she would not date him. The police did nothing, lost paperwork, ignored us when we called, finally after the 5th violation of the restraining order they charged him with a crime not surprisingly a misdemeanor instead of a felony because the police never looked for the knife. I am done with these savages getting away with everything and suffering no consequences beyond a minor slap on the wrist.
They rape, they murder, they cause all kinds of destruction and we are supposed to feel sorry for them because they lived in the “bad section” of town. Well it’s the bad section of town BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE not because of the buildings or streets. The asphalt in front of the projects is of the same composition as the asphalt in front of the multimillion dollar homes on the beach it’s the people.
Strap a few of them to the lethal injection table and watch a change of attitude happen.

Martin Fee on October 6, 2009 at 10:18 am

I love the defiant look on the bastard in the wheel chair. I think a nice kick in the face would do some good.

The 12 year old that shot the woman recently during a car jacking should be testing bullets. I was listening to the t.v. when the news bulletin first came out and when news of the possibility of the bastard being tried as an adult came out, a prisoner watching the news reacted with a surprised,”Hell no!” I reflexively responded with,”Hell yes, roast him up extra crispy!” He doesn’t speak to me much since then but I’m not considering having the m.f.er over for a beer when he gets out, ANYWAY.Does anyone remember when the Brazilian poice had enough of the juvi crime in their city? They had it right.

Joe on October 6, 2009 at 10:38 am

We should move all of these juvie punks to Alaska to turn glaciers into ice cubes, and make sure it is 200 miles from no where. The prisons wouldn’t even need fences. Also, make sure it is in the middle of polar bear country.

Jarhead on October 6, 2009 at 11:08 am

Debbie you are so right. So wrong, twisted and wicked but the judicial system is worthless. I’m thinking the lyrics from the Offspring, “Come Out and Play”

Hey – man you disrespecting me?
Take him out
You gotta keep ’em separated

Hey they don’t pay no mind
If you’re under 18 you won’t be doing any time
Hey come out and play


CaliforniaScreaming on October 6, 2009 at 11:30 pm

I hear that there will be a whole bunch of early releases. Budget cuts you know.

The people should assure they arm themselves. The police will get there but how fast?

Joe on October 7, 2009 at 12:04 am

Why do I have to feel sorry for convicted rapist? There are legitimate cases of people who have been given overly harsh sentences, but this is not one of them. The idea of this wretch being on parole after such an offense is more than appalling.

sorrow01 on October 7, 2009 at 5:47 am

public executions, two birds, one stone.

sg on March 8, 2011 at 11:12 pm

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