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November 11, 2009, - 2:00 pm
By Debbie Schlussel
Their Women’s Volleyball . . .
Our Women’s Volleyball . . .
God bless America!
Spiffo on November 11, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Hmm. I find it interesting Debbie that you claim to be a religious jew, a conservative and yet you condone women walking around and playing sports half naked for the whole world to stare at and drool over. Honestly, I would much rather prefer my daughter walking around or playing sports looking more modest like the Muslim women than have them playing a sport where the spectators could care less about the score, and more about watching women’s breasts bouncing around
MA: I knew I would hear from someone with this point of view, and I see your point. But it’s an athletic event. Would you even have your daughter playing volleyball? The point of this is not that I want people to dress immodestly. It’s that in America, we have freedom and no religion can dictate what we wear. As Jews–and I don’t “claim” to be a religious Jew, I am one–we don’t impose our views on the rest of America. I don’t want a theocracy. I’m happy we have a secular government. Do you think any of these women could even remove her hijab (headscarf) if she wanted to without getting into trouble with the powers that be that run the governments in these places? Also, FYI, if you’ll notice they are wearing sportsbras. There’s very little bouncing around.
BTW, since you are upset by this, I hope you aren’t one of the many mindless conservatives who worshipped that bimbo, Miss California, who posed nude and made a sex tape and has blamed it on everyone but herself. DS
ModestlyAmerican on November 11, 2009 at 4:30 pm
The fact is we can’t choose what we wear. If we choose to wear nothing, or to go out walking in our bare underwear, we could still be arrested or fined for indecency. Most of the middle east just happens to hold a more strict of level of decency than we do. Just 50 or 60 years ago this type of dress that we see women wearing when they play volleyball or other sports would have been considered indecent, and 100 years ago, women would have been arrested without question. And this was in the United States, a place that has had from the start, a secular government. This in no way means that we are more progressive than the Middle East. It means that what is and isn’t decent does not change just because time goes by, and that most Muslims actually seem to understand that…
And no, I could care less about Miss California. I don’t get involved in all that media hype about one small, insignificant person…
ModestlyAmerican on November 11, 2009 at 8:51 pm
And ps- I’ve never seen a picture of the Virgin Mary wearing a sports bra in any church. On the contrary, she is usually portrayed more like the Muslim women in your picture…
ModestlyAmerican on November 11, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Debbie, you may have missed the Hannity interview (we know your opinion of him) with Prejean where she most definitely blamed herself for the sex tape.
Frank on November 11, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Debbie, surely there is a happy medium between hijabs and abeyas and half naked. As sports bra is still a bra. I would not want my daughter to go around like that in public although I haven’t always felt that way. There’s no need for you to publish such a picture if you aren’t promoting it. The way it’s done seems to do just that. You ask “any questions?” Yes. If you don’t support it, why publish it with no disclaimer? Sorry but Modestly American is right. If you are an Orthodox Jew, even a ModOx, why would you think it’s ok for ANY woman to appear like that. It’s covered under the Seven Noachide laws which some quote as including adultry. They do but that includes any sort of sexual license and is binding on ALL of humanity. So while we don’t proselytize Judaism per se, being a light unto the Nations includes promulgation of the Seven Noachide laws and all their exegesis.
MK, your not so Modern sister
MK750 on November 12, 2009 at 4:26 am
And to Debbie the differences are CLEAR and Obvious. I would take America ANYDAY (he says wrapping himself in the Stars and Stripes!)
Bob Porrazzo on November 11, 2009 at 5:12 pm
My wife is a California beach girl and huge beach volleyball fan. She’s taken me to several AVP tourneys where I’ve been forced *FORCED* to watch attractive women in bikinis play volleyball.
The things I do for my marriage…:-)
Incidentally, it’s an impressive sport. I’ve really taken an interest in it. Not easy to cover so much sand with only 2 folks per side.
When it comes to skimpy volleyball clothes, check out today’s girls high school uniforms. They leave nothing to the imagination at all.
Matt on November 11, 2009 at 6:17 pm
I have one question. How would we know they are women not men? Their men dress the same to commit terror acts.
Daniel. on November 11, 2009 at 7:32 pm
“we don’t impose our views on the rest of America”
That’s funny. Liberal Jews … oh never mind.
Gerald Ball on November 11, 2009 at 7:58 pm
I love those volleyball babes, their bodies are absolutly perfect. Most women who have a problem with the skimpy dress are just jealous. Too many people in this country are very uptight sexually, and need to just learn to lay back and just enjoy it.
seahawker on November 11, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Perfect bodies can be destroyed by the most repulsive cancers. Think Farrah Fawcett and her colo-rectal death. if you can’t imagine how awful this particular one is go do some volunteering in a hospice. I think it will change your adolescent idolatry of the human body. Maybe you’ll also start valuing your mother, aunts, grandmothers and sisters as human beings and not “babes.”
All bodies eventually corrupt. With G-d help it is a slow process. Don’t think it can’t happen to you or to Matt and his wife. BTW Matt, you’re proud that your wife whores herself out like that? You have no compunction about abetting her?
it wasn’t so long ago that Women’s Soccer star Brandi-what’s-her-name scandalized everyone when in the heat of the victorious moment removed her shirt revealing her, ta da, SPORTS BRA.
MK750 on November 12, 2009 at 4:44 am
Yes, i agree Devorah, we must continue to… influence .. the culture of these Goyim.
Both photos are irrelevant, because both photos are SHIKSAS!
Shhh! Don’t tell the GOYIM what the word “Shiksa” means. 😉
Khazaress Khanzeer on November 11, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Oh and BTW, I consider the muslimas the superior athletes. If they can play volley ball dressed like that they’ve got to be good. LOL I can’t play with clothing or dressed like Team Bimbo
MK750 on November 12, 2009 at 7:53 am
The point of the post is not that skimpy bikinis are lifted up and glorified. The idea is that the women in the first picture are forced to dress like that.
In America and other countries, if women want to wear bikinis, they will not have their fingernails ripped out or be executed in a public square. Modesty or not, women playing beach volleyball in bathing suits will be ogled, but not killed. This can be done in America for now. Europe is fast becoming another Muslim fever swamp. And if we don’t watch it, so will America. But with the latest Islamic-inspired killings, maybe the time is shorter than we thought.
Modesty is a good thing, but it should be us, who must self-regulate it. We’ve already given many of our freedoms away, let’s not let someone else dictate modesty. Especially Islam.
Even though we abuse this, G-d is forgiving. Islam, Muslims, and Allah do not forgive.
— Jew-honoring Goyim who supports Israel.
John on November 12, 2009 at 9:13 am
The Blessed Mother has nothing to do with how muslim females dress. Aslo Mary lived over 2 thousand years and dressed like all religious Jewish women dressed. It had nothing to do with the female anatomy being too tempting to muslim men that it has to be covered. Despite all of this cover-up with ugly garments, rape is still high in muslim majority nations.
ConservativeVegan on November 12, 2009 at 10:05 am
Women like the Virgin Mary dressed the way they did 2000 years ago because people then understood that women were supposed to be more modest and conservative. This is one reason why the Virgin Mary was so great. Because she was a conservative, modest virgin, who did not want her body to be seen by men. Not a half naked whore. The point I was making was that we don’t portray her wearing a sports bra because the Virgin Mary would have never done so, even if she were living today because she was a very modest woman. So actually, she has a lot to do with the way Muslim women dress, because they use her as a role model…
ModestlyAmerican on November 12, 2009 at 1:40 pm
And by the way, very few Muslim countries actually impose a law making women cover their heads. The top photo was taken in Gaza, where women are actually free to choose whether or not to wear the headscarf
ModestlyAmerican on November 12, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Is Carrie Prejean the “setter” in black? (top pic)
Bonzer Wolf on November 12, 2009 at 11:41 am
John, you do make some good points but in your society, bikinis and sexuality are lifted up. Some try it here in Israel, but we have the Orthodox, not the ultras who are almost as bad as their “cousins” on this matter, but regular Orthodox like myself holding up the other end.
It has become so that a woman in your society cannot choose to be modest. Orthodox Jewish women who have to be in the work force are in a difficult position. If married, we are required to cover our heads too. We also should wear longer skirts and modest necklines. More closed than what is considered modest in the US.
This isn’t the forum to go into details but our style of dress may be see to be “frumpy” and that affects our ability to get jobs or promotions. I’m not saying it IS frumpy but may be perceived as such but the nonJewish secular public. A young law student was telling me she HAS to wear fashionable length skirts in court because of the “frump factor.” It looks weak and ineffectual.
If I wore my head scarf and my long skirt, even stylishly cut in court, how many cases do you think I would win? Hypothetically, I mean. I’m not a lawyer.
MK750 on November 12, 2009 at 1:34 pm
It’s kind of amazing that some Orthodox Jews here are admiring the muslimas’ clothing, given that it would be inappropriate for modest Jewish women. This Muslim clothing is indecency itself, as it is an advertisement for Mo, the mouthpiece of Amalek.
Oh, and the muslimas are NOT better athletes than the American women.
And, as others have said, the point of this article was to celebrate political freedom and juxtapose it to tyranny.
Finally, as a poster has mentioned Israel, I should admit that the Muslim influence on the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) in Israel concerns me. In some areas, it seems that men and women now are expected to walk on opposite sides of the street. We are not to be like the gentiles, and that surely includes the Muslims.
sk on November 12, 2009 at 9:40 pm
HI SK, well, I wouldn’t walk around in a abeya but a colorful caftan in 90º plus is cool and serves the purpose. It’s pretty miserable walking around here with even a cotton scarf on top of a mop of dark hair on a hot day. It comes out of the Middle Eastern environment I live in and it’s not too long ago that my Sephardi/Mizrach ancestors were walking around in similar garb. The plus side for me is that because it goes with sandal wearing, I can get away with those in the heat. I could NOT believe seeing women in long black skirts, long sleeved blouse and a PONCHO to disguise their form in the Jerusalem heat. However, the sidewalk thing was blown out of proportion by the media. I was in Mea Shearim last week and no one made me move off the sidewalk. I rode the regular mixed bus to Hevron and there was no problem. It is the Eastern European Ultra Orthodox who have adapted Sharia law. LOL but it is disturbing that these men are so insecure and lout of control that they expect us to be responsible for their libidos. Then they try to tell us it’s for our own spiritual betterment because Hashem commands it. Well, let me tell you, we had some untypical weather a couple of weeks ago. Close to 100º during the day. I had to go out so the scarf came off. No way would I have survived out there. G-d didn’t strike me down and I don’t feel that I’ve lost my shot at Heaven if I go before next Yom Kippur. You have to use common sense because I wasn’t raised in this heat or with these standards. I have to say, as someone who was not always religious and who attracted more than her share of attention, I feel more free now that I am covered. I can go take pictures and get in odd positions without worrying if I’m pulling a “Britney” or if the “wind” is going to embarrass me.
Ok, so the Muslimas aren’t the better athletes? Lets see you try to do anything in a long skirt. I hear women asking to be allowed to wear pants because skirts are restricting. Fooey! Except for running machinery where there’s a safety factor, We can do anything in a skirt we need to. Our grandmothers did and our “ancestresses” certainly did. Check out pictures of pioneer women in America. But I admit, it’s a learned skill.
MK750 on November 13, 2009 at 5:28 am
Where is the net?
curious on February 9, 2010 at 10:06 pm
Any picture depicting muslims having fun, as the first photo shows, is simply propaganda. Let’s see what has been cropped off that picture. I bet you’d see all kinds of “journalists” and cameramen. Just a staged shoot is all that is. I’m supposed to see how great the ROP treats its women…Not buyin’ it!
The bikini clad women are having a REAL fun time. No staging there.
Faust on March 23, 2013 at 12:07 am
You go Debbie , I hate those Arabs but they are very well endowed and know there way around the bedroom 😉
Js on May 9, 2013 at 2:28 pm
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