November 13, 2009, - 2:50 pm

Weekend Box Office: Islamopandering, Obama-esque “2012” Has Lots Of Action, Heavy-handed Moralizing

By Debbie Schlussel

When director Roland Emmerich made “2012,” in theaters today, he destroyed several Christian religious sites and edifices and several symbols of American freedom.  And the atheist, religion-hating Emmerich wanted to do the same with the Kaaba, the Islamic building containing a rock, worshipped by Muslims on the hajj in Mecca, but the cowardly, hypocritical moviemaker didn’t want a fatwa on his head.

2012

So, while the movie shows the destruction of the Vatican’s Sistine Chapel and St. Peter’s Basilica, as well as the fall of the Christ the Redeemer statue in Rio De Janeiro, the White House, and much else, we’re not shown the fall of any Islamic sites.  In fact, the only reference to Muslims is a scene showing them praying at the Kaaba for the earth to be saved (as well as a keffiyeh-encrusted and presumably Muslim Arab king who buys his family tickets to their “salvation”).

Emmerich said that he got approached by people who wanted their landmarks destroyed, such as the 101 Tower in Taipei, the world’s tallest building.

But Emmerich was thinking of something even more explosive: the Kaaba, the cube-shaped building at the heart of Mecca, the focus of prayers and the Islamic pilgrimage called the Hajj; it is one of Islam’s holiest sites.

Really?

“Well, I wanted to do that, I have to admit,” Emmerich says. “But my co-writer Harald said I will not have a fatwa on my head because of a movie. And he was right. … We have to all … in the Western world … think about this. You can actually … let … Christian symbols fall apart, but if you would do this with [an] Arab symbol, you would have … a fatwa, and that sounds a little bit like what the state of this world is. So it’s just something which I kind of didn’t [think] was [an] important element, anyway, in the film, so I kind of left it out.”

Aside from that Islamopandering, the movie has other problems. It has a ton of special effects and action, but a lot of heavy-handed moralizing and preachiness. The message that we must treat everyone equally rings hollow, in the face of Emmerich’s inequality in whom he shows being destroyed based on his co-writer’s fears.

And the special effects, while many, are very obvious in their computer generation and don’t seem realistic. A stretch limo miraculously beats an earthquake destroying everything on the road in its path and escapes falling highways, buildings, etc.

The heroic, sacrificing Black American President, played by far-lefty Danny Glover, can only be a proxy for Barack Obama, since it’s 2011, and last time I checked Barack Obama’s term ends at the beginning of 2013. Somehow, I doubt President Obama–with his larger than life ego–would give up his ticket to be saved, as President Glover-Obama does. And the movie isn’t shy about being politically correct and playing the race card, since every single Black character–and there are many–is as morally White as the driven snow, whereas some of the White people, including the sleazy White House Chief of Staff, are murderers. Oh, and did I mention that the only part of earth that survives is Africa, and that that’s where we return to restart civilization?

Then, there’s the story. I liked its Noah’s Ark parable–the earth is being destroyed and animals of each species (plus artwork) are being saved for the future. But the rest of it, we’ve seen before. The earth’s crust is quickly disintegrating, faster than world leaders who knew about it thought it would. They’ve already been preparing, building giant ships in the tunnels of China to save a select few people willing to pay $1 billion a ticket. In the meantime, those who’ve discovered what’s going on and who want to expose it are quietly assassinated. In the meantime, a failed author, divorced father, and limo driver (John Cusack) discovers what’s going on and struggles to save his kids, his ex-wife, and her new husband (a plastic surgeon who performs breast implants).

While the movie never comes out and says the earth’s crust is disintegrating because “we failed to be green” or take care of the environment–the usual BS of the global warming left–the message is obvious if unspoken.  The posters for the flick say, “We Were Warned.”  Uh, no thanks, for the climate change BS.

A Black scientist is the hero of the story because he discovers the earth’s disintegration and also because he objects to the distribution of spots on the spaceships to those who are wealthy and/or dignitaries. The other heroes are the President’s daughter, who supports him, and the President, himself, who bravely goes down with the American people as Washington is destroyed.

The only character I really liked in this movie was, surprisingly, played by Woody Harrelson, of whom I’m normally not a fan. He plays a crazy Art-Bell-style radio host who predicts the world’s destruction and knows about the assassinations, as well as the location of the spaceships that will save a select few. He’s the only character in the movie that’s believable and rings true. Plus, he’s funny.

While the movie is entertaining overall and heart-pounding at points, it is what it is: a movie that’s really more about crazy special effects and action than tight storyline. And on that level, it’s okay, even with the incredible pandering to Islam by leaving out the Kaaba’s destruction. Still I could have done without the moralizing and the annoying kids. Any action movie that makes an issue of a seven-year-old daughter who wets her pants has a few screws loose.

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42 Responses

Emmerich is hardly the first to pander out of fear. “The Simpsons” is known for subjecting anything and everyone to parody – except Islam. In an article in Moment magazine a few years back, folks involved in the show admitted they won’t touch Islam out of fear. When they finally *did* introduce a Muslim character, Homer discovers explosives in the guy’s garage and tries to warn people. But the guy is ultimately revealed to be …. a demolitions engineer! And it’s Homer that’s mocked for raising suspicions. Doh!

Raymond in DC on November 13, 2009 at 3:08 pm

I was actually expecting you to tell us whether you believe this so-called apocolypse might happen in 2012 or not. I’m pretty sure you don’t so I was actually expecting it to get at least one Marx from you.

M: I don’t believe in that, of course. DS

Matthew on November 13, 2009 at 3:45 pm

Not going to see this crap.

Joe on November 13, 2009 at 4:04 pm

I don’t know if the PBS station in Detroit carries this,but I’ve seen something on the PBS station here in Arizona that will make you pull all of your hair out. It’s called “MI-5,”and last night,I watched a little of what I consider the worst episode I’ve ever seen in that series.
It’s called “The Sting” and to be quite frank,I hated it. You may want to look the plot up on Wikipedia but let me just say this,the episode was a carnival of anti-Americanism that was so repulsive to me that I couldn’t watch it fully. I saw the episode in it’s entirety when it was on A&E and I didn’t like it then and I sure didn’t like it now.

If you want to see it,that’s fine with me. I hope I never see that particular episode of that series again,thank you very much.

Ghostwriter on November 13, 2009 at 4:56 pm

“Climate change BS”?

Then how do you explain Hurricane Ida? A hurricane in NOVEMBER, for Heaven’s sake!!

Bob Ribe on November 13, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    Bob – hurricane season is officially from june 1st thru november 30th according to the noaa. and we’ve had them in november in the past. or are these inconvenient truths?

    howardroark on November 13, 2009 at 5:36 pm

I Saw this movie on Wed. and Debbie is right it was tough to get past the wanton destruction of ever religious structure one could think of, except of course Arab artifacts. Its pathetic we have become such wimps to allow a certain sect to dictate our own free speech. If we had a politician with cajones he would know how to set this sect of bullies straight with blindingly swift violence and they would know thy place. However I also found it disturbing that I loved the Woody Harrelson character also, but was glad when he died and especially the way it occurred. It reminded me of a movie a few years back called the Core which was almost from the same premise of the earth being destroyed by our own military’s manipulation of the earths core. I did like the movie for its special effects (what can I say I’m a guy) even though it was a little far fetched. My one question at the end was is it possible an air plane could get some altitude to avoid a falling building, just stupid.

seahawker on November 13, 2009 at 5:18 pm

well i think this guy still has a fatwa coming his way for not showing islam’s “holiest” thingys surviving AND all muslims being supernaturally protected by mohammed using a ginormous keffiyeh protective tent to safely cradle them in.

not too smart, mr. filmmaker guy.

howardroark on November 13, 2009 at 5:27 pm

Cowards and Hypocrites. Hypocrites, because they will break their arms patting themselves on the back when they “courageously” attack conservative values, because of the fake, non-existent backlash. Cowards, because when faced with a situation that would require some courage, they run away with their tails between their legs after wetting themselves.

Dave on November 13, 2009 at 7:06 pm

how does debbie know climite change is bullshit
HAS DEBBIE READ ANY DATA REPORTS DOES SSHE HAVE A PHD IN ENVIROMENTAL SCIENCE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

SHE IS A HYPICYOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
SHE CRITICSIZE SUZZANNE SUMMERS FFOR WRITING A BOOK ABOUT CANCER WITHOUT HAVIN GF KNOWLLEAGE ON THIS SUBJUECT AN HERE SHE DOES THE SAME THING

PS I NOT AN EXPERT ON CLIMATE CHANGE BUT I KEEP AAN OPEN MIND
PS CAN YOU BLAAME THE GUY FOR NOT WANTING A FAWTA LOOK WHAT HAPPEN TO SALMON RUSDIE WWHO WANNTS TO LIVE LIKE THAT
PLEASE SURPORT MY CANPAGIN TO GET AN ONE ON ONE INTERVEIW WITH DDEBBIE FACEBOOK CAMPAGIN COMING SOONIF I GET THE INTEVEIW ALL PROCCEDS WILL GO TO HOLOCAST CENTRESS IN MELBORNE AND WASHINGTON,

bec on November 13, 2009 at 11:39 pm

    Looks like your keyboard is in need of replacement… you can probably get one for free from someone who bought a new computer….

    Doda McCheesle on November 16, 2009 at 2:48 pm

IM SORRY IM SO ANGRY II LIKE DEBBIE A LOT I AGREE WITH NEARLY ALL HER VIEWS BUT IM JUST IN A BAD MOOD

PLEASE GIVE ME THE INTEVEIW

bec on November 14, 2009 at 12:15 am

Bec,

did you forget to take your pills today? Don’t post when you are off them. no one cares about your bad mood.

chuck w on November 14, 2009 at 3:17 am

I just wanted to correct one point, and nitpick. They did not make giant spaceships. They made giant ships, boats. They never left the earth, they floated in the water. I think the woodey harrelson guy said spaceships, but they were not. John Cusak called them arks. But they were not spaceships at all.

Christopher Nelson on November 14, 2009 at 3:58 am

I saw this movie tonight and had to go read the reviews to see if I was the only one who noticed every single point which this Debbie chick has pointed out perfectly. If I wanted to see liberal bullshit expressionism, I could just turn on MTV or the news. Not in a movie theater, where I pay to see entertainment.

Fuck Obama on November 14, 2009 at 4:38 am

I remember liking INdependence Day and back then it wasn’t a worn out idea to promote tolerence and saving the environment, it actually seemed pretty cool because it wasn’t forced down people’s throats. Hearing stuff like this makes me want to puke, They so afraid they are going to end up like Theo Van Gogh, who we have yet to hear them denounce his death. They are so afraid they’d rather preach to us as if we were little kids. It’s disgusting.

Doug Ramsey on November 14, 2009 at 5:06 am

im not on pills i just angry about the stuff debbie writes that what put me in a mood
plus i wrote to debbie via her facebook and she hasxnt ansewered

bec on November 14, 2009 at 8:55 am

I don’t see any problem with them not destroying rock town. I see allah as nothing more than an impotent, fraudulent, wannabe deity who has to take great umbrage for its total lack of planning and creativity. If it has to have a bunch of primitives creating mayhem and deeming that as adulation, well then, it really says something about the lacking IQ of its worshippers.

Only cowards worship rage

mortus on November 14, 2009 at 9:16 am

oh, how many moe movies do I have to avoid?? I am not paying
for the religion of allah or earth worship/save earth concepts. boring!! if there is nothing else to buy I shall rent the dvd later on. snooze fest!! I am so sick of kids being in movies-its a action movie!

lindapolver on November 14, 2009 at 10:15 am

To bec-Debbie isn’t in charge of making you happy, and isn’t guilty of making you unhappy or angry. Take reponsibility for your own problems, bec.
So…we’re supposed to fear the end of the world… because the Mayans were bad at math?
I’ll wait for the DVD, if I watch this at all. I still haven’t bothered with that flooding movie Emmerich made-bad physics purported to be truth, bad moralizing. A sci-fi movie with good moralizing? Serenity tops the charts.
I did like Independence Day, but I haven’t seen the sequel yet: Disctrict 9.

Douglas Q on November 14, 2009 at 10:52 am

The sad fact of the matter is most people in this country like BEC doesn’t have the common sense GOD gave a goldfish if they can’t pick up 4th grade science book to figure out how the environment wroks. This administration is passing laws that turn most environmental elements thats been on this planet before our creation into public enemies where we must be charged for financially for. Our entire periodical table is becoming a financail liabilty and this sickens me. With the country being so under-educated, misinformed, utterly stupid (BEC) its no wonder they vote BO into office and believe in such poppycock as global-warming. I don’t need to have an open mind because I learned when I was a child THE SUN HEATS THE EARTH, IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT PLEASE TELL ME WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, AND WHY DOES IT COSTS SO MUCH.

seahawker on November 14, 2009 at 10:52 am

John Cusack( Being the disgusting Leftist extremist that he’s always been ) obviously would never have done this POS if it weren’t typically anti-America and sympathetic to muslims.

Phineas on November 14, 2009 at 11:24 am

I watched a 60 minutes show about the pirating of movies costing hollywierd tons of money and felt not a bit of compassion. My question is how can the pirates make any money off such a horrible crop of shit movies? Seriously, the last five years at least have really been bad. Very few good movies and the industry whines about lack of viewership.

I buy a new dvd maybe, once a month. Maybe more if a cage fighting dvd comes out I’ve missed on ppv. My time is too valuable to waste on the crap out now.
Last movie I went to see was Inglorious Bastards and I waited for that one like two months to avoid crowds. Didn’t bother me to wait either. Having a life is better.

Joe on November 14, 2009 at 11:27 am

Well, I hated Independence Day for some of the reasons that I would hate this movie. It gets one Marx from me.

sk on November 14, 2009 at 12:08 pm

I like how they treated the “climate change BS”. If they want to pretend the end came because of climate change, then they showed the cause of any climate variation – solar activity. It’s what’s causing all the variations in weather patterns, not human activity.

Chris on November 15, 2009 at 1:34 am

Debbie,
I was not tuned in to the release of this movie, but others in my family were talking about it this weekend. Needless to say, I wish I would have read your review prior to the discussions.

My FIRST reflex should have been to read ds.com on 2012. Great review, BTW. I feel like I know what is in it, and I don’t have to waste my time and I can explain WHY!!

(I do that for you sometimes too, don’t I!!!)

BB on November 15, 2009 at 6:47 pm

THE OLDEST SCAM IN THE BOOK

Nimrod conned all the world into building a tower (the Tower of Babel) to hold up the sky to prevent the next “sky quake,” like the one that caused the last great flood, which was sure to happen again in just 1656 years if all humanity didn’t make preventing it their sole occupation.
http://www.jewishamerica.com/ja/timeline/towerbav.cfm

Al Bore and his partners in crime at the UN are trying to con America and the gullible of the world to dedicate all their energies toward stopping “Global Warming,” because we must work together to avert world wide climate disaster, which conveniently involves another flood, as well.

Gore’s god is nature, to which humans must bow in order to be saved.
http://www.forward.com/articles/501/

One major difference, though, between then and now is that this time most of humanity wants nothing to do with what they know is a scam.

yonason on November 15, 2009 at 10:11 pm

Here’s my $.02 on the movie 2012:

I’m not going to see that movie. Based on DS’s review, I give it one Marx.

Also, I don’t think that anyone here believes that the world will end in 2012 (DS definitely does not). Nonetheless I want to share with everyone here NASA’s website which totally debunks the notion that it will.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012.html

JeffE on November 15, 2009 at 11:23 pm

okay so i saw this movie last night and got what i expected. it was a movie! one that panders to a wide range of people to make as much money as possible. i think some of you are making a little to much about the islam thing. honestly if they did show the Kaaba, the cube-shaped building at the heart of Mecca being destroyed how many people would even known what the hell that was. on the other hand the vatican, las vegas, blah, blah, blah infinity, are well known. this makes them money well spent for their CGI “biblical endings”. the one point i will conceit is the line that black people=good / white people=bad or morally grey. but honestly its one movie. lord o’ the rings, star wars, indy jones….you get where i’m going basically says white is good, and non white is the enemy or something to be feared. so why flip at the notion of black goodness, asian compassion or indian benevolence. overall the movie was far reaching but not for any of the reasons posted so far.

paul e on November 16, 2009 at 1:11 am

I thought the acting was actually alright but some of the dialogue tho, like he mentions, is a bit too uber heroic at times.

The FX while great and massive are simply just pure CGI. I miss the good ole days in the 80’s when sets and models were actually MADE.

The science of this movie was simply HORRIBLE on many counts. Such as the main firestarter.

*spoiler*

“Neutrinos from the sun mutate into a new particle that heats up the core like microwaves”

First of all its not often you hear about atomic particles “mutating” like a virus. ALSO and most importantly IF that were true hypothetically, wouldnt every man,woman, and child on the earth also “heat” up? are we not made of some water? Would you not heat up in a microwave oven?

Being about 2 blocks away from yellowstones volcano and it erupt and you stand there fine like its just a warm breeze in your hair. Shouldnt that be like a nuclear force concussive blast wave at that distance?

There is alot more there ranging from atypical hollywood science scewups to trying to be realistic and failing miserably.

BUT

I did enjoy the film as I like all the 2012 lore and theories.

Just Watched It on November 16, 2009 at 5:50 am

    *spoiler*
    “Neutrinos from the sun mutate into a new particle that heats up the core like microwaves”

    Well that’s pretty lame! Sure it’s not from the plot of some late 50’s sci-fi B movie? Is Ed Wood getting any credit?!

    theShadow on November 16, 2009 at 11:25 pm

I saw a movie on Netflix (Roku download) called “2012: Doomsday”, which was produced by Faith Films, a Christian organization- in this movie, they indeed showed the Dome of the Rock crumbling…it was a great scene… ;)

Doda McCheesle on November 16, 2009 at 2:53 pm

Islam is BS along with it’s cohorts.

Roy on November 16, 2009 at 6:25 pm

Hey, anyone remember the Ancient Astronaut theories from a few years back? Yeah, I’m just waitin’ for 2020 when the aliens return, thank you ;) Someone will be turning that whole idea into a movie too, I’m sure.

theShadow on November 16, 2009 at 11:05 pm

I don’t know if Emmerich really [i]hates [/i]religion. As an atheist, let me tell you: You are absolutely correct that this cowering before threats made by proponents of inherently violent religion needs to stop. Pakistan got its bill sent right after handing over a whole state to the Taliban – they started stoning and torturing people as soon as they could, then sent more suicide bombers into Pakistan’s cities than ever before. Pandering to theofascists gets people killed.

Oh well, at least it’s just a destructo-porn movie and not a political manifesto. I’m sure Emmerich would have destroyed any and all atheist landmarks with the same lust if there were any. The religious have celebrated their gigantomaniacal architecture for centuries, yet we atheists get threats when we try to erect a single billboard. Hey, I bet we have a few maniac architects in our rows, c’mon let us build something huge too – then you can finance a movie to see it all blown up. ;)

Felix on November 17, 2009 at 8:01 am

I saw this with my wife – after 2-1/2 hours of suspended disbelief, I was actually hoping all the characters would “die” at the end. Amazingly, after a tidal wave swept over Mt Everest, their cell phones were still working. Sure wish my LG worked 1/2 that good here in Dallas!

Randy on December 10, 2009 at 6:06 pm

I watched this on Blu-Ray DVD just recently and thought it was one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen. Hollywood is fixated on disaster movies which feature a broken family with whiny kids (think of the awful remake of “War of the Worlds.”) All of the other reasons for hating the movie are succinctly stated in Debbie’s review. I would have given this huge waste of time 4 Marxes + 1 Obama.

Timothy on March 4, 2010 at 10:43 am

The Kaaba is one of the reasons why Mecca is so important. The entire worlds’ Muslim’s face the direction of the Kaaba when they pray. The Kaaba is a really huge; extends over 100,000 miles, so it cannot have a ceiling. This small, cubed building known as the Kaaba may not rival skyscrapers in height or mansions in width, but its impact on history and human beings is unmatched. The Kaaba is in the exact center of the earth (geographically) and there is always a circle of people praying around it. The Kaaba is the building towards which Muslims from anywhere in the world face five times a day, everyday, in prayer. This is to ensure unity amongst the followers of Islam. This has been the case since the time of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) over 1400 years ago.

The size of the Kaaba:

The current height of the Kaaba is 39 feet, 6 inches and total size comes to 627 square feet. The inside room of the Kaaba is 13×9 meters. The Kaaba’s walls are one meter thick. The floor inside is 2.2 meters higher than the ground outside. The ceiling and roof are two levels made out of wood. They were reconstructed with teak which is capped with stainless steel. The walls are all made of stone. The stones inside are unpolished, while the ones outside are polished.

Construction:

This small building has been constructed and reconstructed by Prophets Adam, Ibrahim, Ismail and Muhammad (peace be upon them all). No other building has had this honor.

Fairdom on April 13, 2010 at 7:40 pm

A few years ago, a group of men in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia collected all of the verses in the Qur’an which discuss embryology, the growth of the human being in the womb. They said : ‘Here is what the Qur’an says. Is it the truth ?’ in essence , they took the advice of the Qur’an : ‘ Ask the men who know .’ They chose as it happened , a non Muslim who is a professor of embryology at the university of Toronto. His name is Keith Moore, and he is the author of text books on embryology– a world expert on the subject. They invited him to Riyadh and said:’ This is what the Qur’an says about your subject. Is it true? What can you tell us ?’ While he was in Riyadh, they gave him all the help that he needed in translation and all of the cooperation for which he asked. And he was so surprised at what he found ,that he changed his text books. In fact, in the second edition of one of his books, called ‘ ‘Before We Are Born… ‘ about the history of embryology, he included some material that was not in the first edition, because of what he found in the Qur’an . Truly this illustrates that the Qur’an was ahead of its time, and that those who believe in the Qur’an know what other people do not know. I had the pleasure of interviewing Dr Keith Moore for a television presentation, and we talked a great deal about this — it was illustrated by slides and so on. He mentioned that some of the things that the Qur’an states about the growth of the human beings were not known until thirty years ago. In fact, he said that one item in particular the Qur’an’s description of the human being as a ‘ leech – like clot”( alaqah) at one stage – was new to him; but when he checked on it, he found that it was true, and so he added it to his book. He said:’ I never thought of that before,’ and he went to the zoology department and asked for a picture of leech. When he found that it looked just like the human embryo, he decided to include both pictures in one of his text books. Dr Moore also wrote a book on clinical embryology, and -when he presented this information in Toronto, it caused quite a stir throughout Canada. It was on the front pages of some of the news papers across Canada, and some of the headlines were quite funny. For instance , one headline read :’ SURPRISING THING FOUND IN ANCIENT BOOK !!’ It seems obvious from this example that people do not clearly understand what it is all about. As a matter of fact, one news paper reporter asked professor ‘Moore, Don’t you thing that may be the Arabs might have known about these things- the description of the embryo, it’s appearance and how it changes and grows? May be there were no scientist, but may be they did some crude dissections on their own carved up people and examined these things.

‘The professor immediately pointed out to him that he [i.e. the reporter] had missed a very important point all of the slides of the embryo that had been shown and had been projected in the film had come from pictures taken through a microscope. He said: ‘It does not matter if someone had tried to discover embryology fourteen centuries ago, they could not have seen it!’. All of the descriptions in the Qur’an of the appearance of the embryo are of the items when it is still too small to see with the naked eye; therefore, one needs a microscope to see it. Since such a device had only been around for little more than two hundred years, Dr. Moore taunted: ‘Maybe fourteen centuries ago someone secretly had a microscope and did this research, making no mistakes anywhere.

Then he somehow taught Muhammad (sws) and convinced him to put this information in this book. Then he destroyed his equipment and kept it a secret forever. Do you believe that? You really should not, unless you bring some proof because it is such ridiculous theory.’ In fact, when he was asked: ‘How do you explain this information in the Qur’an ?’ Dr. Moore’s reply was: ‘It could only have been divinely revealed.!’

Fairdom on April 13, 2010 at 7:59 pm

Hey there, Debbie… still love your review of “2012”.

Actually, funny that you should mention the Biblical parallel… if you want to read a great or decent science-fiction doomsday story which is much better than this movie “2012” (and would probably make for a better movie), read Stephen Baxter’s novel “Flood” and its sequel “Ark”. It’s interesting to note that this disaster cycle of novels might have a few pro-conservative or anti-liberal nudges, such as shooting down the notion that the global disaster might be humanity’s fault (there’s a switch, huh? it not being our fault after all?) or pointing out the hostile anti-religious attitude of the UN. Biblical references galore in that series!

Craig W. on September 17, 2010 at 5:17 pm

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