June 21, 2007, - 11:51 am

OUTRAGE: Law Firm Seminar on How to Avoid Hiring Americans; WHERE’S ICE?

By Debbie Schlussel
A lot of readers are sending me this truly outrageous video of a May 15, 2007 seminar held by the law firm of Cohen & Grigsby, training clients and others how to avoid hiring qualified Americans and hire foreign aliens. You’ll note that Cohen lawyer Lawrence M. Lebowitz, a Director and Vice President of the firm, blatantly states:

Our goal is clearly not to find a qualified and interested U.S. worker. And in a sense that sounds funny. But it’s, uh, what were trying to do here.


First of all, WHERE the heck is ICE in investigating this fraudulent “compliance” with the H-1b visa and greencard requirements? This law firm ought to be prosecuted, since they are openly advising people how to get around the law, rather than abiding by the letter of it. And second, these lawyers should be investigated by the Attorney Grievance Commissions in all of the states in which the firm has practices:

The firm is headquartered in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and has offices in Bonita Springs, Florida and Naples, Florida.

Not surprising, under the heading “Our Clients” on the Cohen & Grigsby site, there is no listing of any. Gee, I wonder why.
So, ICE Princess, where are your agents on this one? Attorneys who commit crimes are not covered by the attorney-client privilege in doing so.
As I’ve repeatedly written, there is a lot of fraud in the H-1b Visa biz, whether it’s fashion models or hockey coaches or, in this case, less glamorous, but more important jobs for which Americans are qualified but aren’t being hired. And the ads posted in the newspapers are phony. This video just further confirms it.
Kudos to the Programmers Guild (the group’s blog here) for shooting this video and posting it for the public. The Programmers Guild

advocates for the interests of software professionals, including opposing displacement by H-1b workers and the offshoring of U.S. jobs and technologies to countries that have unfair wage and labor standards.

Read more about this video and how and why it was shot in this press release by Mark Cromer of CAPS (Californians for Population Stabilization).
Go to the group’s site and its more updated blog to see so much more important info on H-1b fraud taking jobs away from American programmers and how the claims of a shortage of American labor in their profession is a complete lie.
Just doing the job that Americans WANT to do. But are being prevented from doing by sleazebag lawyers like the ones at Cohen & Grigsby.
Thanks to all the loyal, patriotic, and concerned readers who sent this very disturbing tip.

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48 Responses

It just goes to show how corrupt and fouled up the whole system is. Illegal – legal makes no difference. It is all a big pile of stinking crap!

AlturaCt on June 21, 2007 at 12:38 pm

Thanks Debbie, for the information.
I have been looking for permanent employment in the wasteland of Michigan’s job market for over a year.
I sent an email to the Chairman and Director of cohen&grigsby, Charles C. Cohen (who by the way is a graduate of U of Michigan law school). Here’s his email address: ccohen@cohenlaw.com
This is their “Community Committment” – Cohen & Grigsby is committed to serving the community. Many of our attorneys serve on boards and in leadership positions in charitable, civic and community organizations and participate in business, legal and academic activities. The Pittsburgh and Southwest Florida communities have been good to us over the past 25 years, and we hope to pay forward into the communities for many years to come.

Tipsico on June 21, 2007 at 12:57 pm

Hey Debbie,
This is real eye-opener! This firm is blatant about this. You have a lot clout. I think it would be very interesting if you personally called these jerks to get their side of the story and then post their answers.

FreeAmerican on June 21, 2007 at 1:32 pm

Everyone should send a letter or an email to their Senators similar to this:
You do realize don’t you that when the the President and Senators talk about the jobs Americans won’t do such as picking lettuce and cleaning houses and mowing lawns that you all sound like plantation owners, you do know that don’t you?
White rich elite Senators and one white rich elite President setting up the new 21st century plantation one illegal at a time.
Lincoln is weeping.
Sherman is ready to come back from the grave and burn Washington D.C. to the ground.
***********************************************
Bush should be on trial for at least these crimes against humanity.
1) Trying to institutionalize a form of serfdom or slavery light in the United States of America.
2) Aiding and abetting and facilitating the ruling class of Mexico in their ethic cleansing of Mexico.
3) Making war on his own countrymen.

feralcat9 on June 21, 2007 at 1:54 pm

When are we going to be importing lawyers for legal jobs Americans Won’t Do! What American wants to work 60 hours a week? Only then will action be taken. The elite feel secure that they will not lose their jobs – when their jobs are threatened then we’ll see some change.
ACTUALLY, SOME LAW FIRMS ARE ALREADY OUTSOURCING LEGAL WORK TO INDIA. NO LIE.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

sandy on June 21, 2007 at 2:06 pm

Before you will know it, English will be outlawed in this country. Why not demolish the bordering fence and declare Mexico as the 51rst state of America? Soon enough, ICE may deport all of us if this insanity keeps up.

Jew Chick on June 21, 2007 at 2:17 pm

feralcat9,
Fabulous observation,I never thought about it like that but it makes all the sense in the world. It’s unfortunate that not many peple see it the way you describe it here.
Now I see why this whole idea of immigrants coming to do jobs Americans won’t do seems so wrong. Thanks.

TheAwakenedOne on June 21, 2007 at 5:48 pm

Where’s “evervigilantlapdoggy” to defend this fine agency ICE???

Cracked_ICE on June 21, 2007 at 5:52 pm

ICE/OI organizes semi-annual media events that make headlines and can be shown on CNN & all the network evening news programs. So called “work site enforcement” raids and “gang roundups” are HQ orchestrated national dog and pony shows targeting headlines rather than illegal immigration. Agents are required to receive permission from HQ before enforcing immigration laws. Significant CUSTOMS related investigations are long gone. Border bag & tag narcotics investigations are the only CUSTOMS cases that remain at pre-ICE levels.
HQ requires ICE/OI field offices to receive prior approval for ALL work site enforcement operations. HQ runs the investigations and creates these national media events. Field agents are prohibited from doing real work. ICE is the INS of yesterday. The public is not even aware that DRO & OI are actually rival agencies within an agency. DRO & OI are involved in an ugly fight for jurisdiction, personnel and budget. Advantage DRO.
Legacy CUSTOMS agents can investigate customs & financial crimes. Legacy INS agents can investigate immigration violations. Pure ICE agents can investigate nothing! Now you see the method to Marcy madness. Purge the agency of former CUSTOMS & INS agents and replace them with “pure” ICE agents (new hires). After all, what does ICE/OI do better than any other agency? NOTHING

J Leyn on June 21, 2007 at 7:36 pm

Please consider relinking the link for the Programmer’s Guild to their blog http://programmersguild.blogspot.com/ which is up to date. The currently linked page is out-of-date by a few years.

bvw on June 21, 2007 at 8:10 pm

I wondered when another “ICE Specific” thread would appear. The archives on this site are so screwed up I couldn’t access the other two I’ve been pinging.
J Leyn,
Where are you getting your information from? It damn sure doesn’t ring true to me, on so many levels. Do you work for ICE or just get your information from the Schlussel blog?
ICE IS engaged in worksite cases, and if you knew anything about it, you wouldn’t post this nonsense, on this board. There are some significant cases on the horizon…maybe you’ll be lucky enough to participate in one.
“Significant CUSTOMS related investigations are long gone.” Maybe in your world, but certainly not in mine. Yes we are working immigration cases, but the Customs cases are still being worked, just like before. In fact, within my SAC Office we’re running about 50/50.
“Field agents are prohibited from doing real work.” Huh? What kind of work would you like to be doing, that you aren’t allowed to work? I guess you want to go back to ACAP work?
“DRO & OI are involved in an ugly fight for jurisdiction, personnel and budget.” Nonsense, utter nonsense.
DRO was given more positions and more budget to take over ACAP, which they did on June 1. There is no fight, whatsover, over jurisdiction, personnel and/or budget. You need to check your sources a bit better.
“Legacy CUSTOMS agents can investigate customs & financial crimes. Legacy INS agents can investigate immigration violations. Pure ICE agents can investigate nothing! ” Again, huh?
ICE Special Agents (legacy Customs, INS, and pure ICE) are working investigations across both legacy agency authorities. Everyone can’t be in the drug group, but we have the agents mixed and mingled, and everyone is working.
There are “Subject Matter Experts or SME’s” in every group, to help those less experienced when/if they need guidance.
Your statement may be true where you are, but it’s absolutely false throughout most of ICE.
The ICE agents that have come through the academy post merger are working everything under the sun, and doing a fine job of it.
You need to get out more J, there is a lot of good work going on, outside this blog.
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 21, 2007 at 9:09 pm

Hey, EverVigilantSheepdog, what’s the answer to Debbie’s question:
“Where are our agents on this one?”

bvw on June 21, 2007 at 10:20 pm

Anyone with half a brain knows that EVS is simply an ICE propaganda machine assigned to spew out disinformation on Marcy’s behalf. Every dog has his day and be assured EverVigilantSheepDog’s day will come.

J Leyn on June 21, 2007 at 11:06 pm

EVS is PURE DISINFORMATION. He STILL hasn’t addressed, if ICE is trying to catch illegals, how come the number of illegal aliens is doubling in my southern town every few months?? And it’s the same EVERYWHERE I go in the eastern US. How come we suddenly have Spanish radio and television stations in rural Mississippi?? How come we now have government signs in Spanish on US 84 saying “El Camino (The Way) East-West Corridor”?? Why are there McDonalds in Louisiana now with almost ALL Mexicans?? Where do the buses come from filled with Mexicans men, aged 15 to 30 (I went into a travel plaza in Lafayette recently, 2 buses had emptied out with 20 Mexicans lined out the door to the bathroom and 15 in line at the cash register)?? Why is there now a Mexican bus stop 3 blocks from my house downtown, where 10 to 20 Mexicans are standing around at 2am, when everything else closed up tight (the Greyhound rarely handles over 3 or 4 people)?? Why is the 3rd or 4th Mexican store opening in less than 2 years?? Are they all Mexican tourists? How did we go, in 2 years, from 1 apartment complex filled with illegal aliens, to 4 streets of solid ILLEGAL ALIENS, flying the Nicaraguan, Guatemalan, and Mexican colors?? Is this because ICE is so serious about busting illegals??

steve ventry on June 22, 2007 at 1:46 am

EVS aka ‘lapdoggy’ you’re quite the embarrassment to ICE, just so you know…more kool-aide???

Cracked_ICE on June 22, 2007 at 6:58 am

EVS aka “lapdoggy” for your 411…you’re quite the laughing stock to the agents and an embarrassment to ICE. You should consider staying on the sidelines, your constant water-carrying just looks bad – people are not that naive.

Cracked_ICE on June 22, 2007 at 7:01 am

bvw,
I don’t have any direct knowledge regarding this topic, thus I’m not going to challenge Debbie on this issue. If it were in my AOR I’d have someone working it, in concert with the U.S. Attorney’s office to determine if we could prosecute for conspiracy if nothing else.
J Lynn,
I challenged a number of your “conclusions” from your earlier post with facts, and this is your response:
“Anyone with half a brain knows that EVS is simply an ICE propaganda machine assigned to spew out disinformation on Marcy’s behalf. Every dog has his day and be assured EverVigilantSheepDog’s day will come.”
I guess you made my point. You are spewing forth emotional venom, that isn’t based in facts. Like many of your pals that post on here, you don’t know what you are talking about, but by God you want to be heard.
If you are an ICE agent you probably oughta be working the USAJOBS line hard my friend.
Steve Ventry,
If you were 400 pound woman Steve, and you went to the Dr. to lose weight, do you think the Dr. would have you lose 300 pounds overnight? Do you think that would be possible?
The correct answer is “NO”.
The 12 million illegals (or however many it really is) didn’t get here overnight, and we aren’t going to be able to remove them all overnight.
It takes time, and ICE is about that business. It would help if Congress would plus us up like they do Border Patrol every time someone complains about illegal immigration.
Cracked_ICE,
As usual you have nothing to say. Do you get an award for logging on to say nothing, more than anyone else?
What is your motivation for logging on to this blog, to say nothing?
You my friend, would be the embararassment to this agency, if you take your defeated attitude to the workplace each day.
I’m going to continue to post, to represent the silent majority of hard working ICE agents that are doing the job that you all complain about.
You see, the disenchanted don’t own the right to speak out.
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 22, 2007 at 7:23 am

The 12 million illegals (or however many it really is) didn’t get here overnight, and we aren’t going to be able to remove them all overnight
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Bull shit
What happened to the Cargil, Tyson Cases?
I will bet that nothing happens to this law firm because they just doing what all of the H1B hiring companies are doing behind the scenes.
The H1B visa program is a joke.Every H1B that is issued results in an American loosing his job.

ScottyDog on June 23, 2007 at 12:27 pm

Sources in HQ report that Marcy is most upset by the EVS postings on DS. Seems PP is embarrassed that someone might actually think Senior Loco is a real ICE manager! EVS is actually a foot solider who needs to get back on his meds before HQ tracks him down!
Silent majority? Well, EVS if silent majority means a crazy as Nancy Grace whack job wannabe with too much time on his hands and a 24/7 broadband connection…BINGO!
In fact, EVS is a GS/13 dinosaur who works in a tiny RAC office deep in the heart of Dixie and misses unloading bales of weed from old wooden shrimp boats.
Clown on brother and take good care of those “bull dawgs”.

J Leyn on June 23, 2007 at 6:03 pm

Hey Folks,
Let’s not forget that the State Department is responsible for managing and issuing the H1, as well as, all the other visa programs.
Also, ICE and CIS share the responsiblity for identifying and investigating visa fruad, by monitoring the petitioners.
BTW, I’m sute that there a quite a few visa fraud investigations that are underway.
Besides, both the Senate and the Congress are constantly upping the number of visas and will write letters on behalf on petitioners if visas are denied.
If you’ve worked at HQ you know that those bastard politicians will sell out to anyone to get a vote or a campaign contribution. Hell, they even write letters to Myers defending illegal aliens and questioning why we arrested them.
If this Bush/Kennedy/McCain/Chertoff amensty bill passes we will never be able to do another investigation regardless of your legacy agency.
Why do you always have to bash the agency or one another, this story was about greedy lawyers and corporate officers who don’t give a damn about this country. They should be taken out and flogged, then sent to some 3rd world country.
Long Time Patriot.
PS> If you find some spelling or gramatical errors please forgive me I was pissed when I saw this video and I couldn’t see straight.

ficedup on June 23, 2007 at 8:04 pm

J.Leyn,
All four of these quotes are yours:
“Anyone with half a brain knows that EVS is simply an ICE propaganda machine assigned to spew out disinformation on Marcy’s behalf.”
“Sources in HQ report that Marcy is most upset by the EVS postings on DS.”
HUH?
“EVS is actually a foot solider who needs to get back on his meds before HQ tracks him down!”
“In fact, EVS is a GS/13 dinosaur who works in a tiny RAC office deep in the heart of Dixie and misses unloading bales of weed from old wooden shrimp boats. ”
Which is it “J”? Propaganda machine for ICE/OI and Director Forman, or a GS-13 dinosar Marcy is trying to track down?
You amuse me, by not being able to keep your thoughts in order (which might indicate a med’s issue come to think of it) and you damn sure aren’t much of an investigator.
I’m neither a propoganda machine for HQS, or a GS-13 footsoldier, but you’ll never figure it out.
I’m just here to offer a different perspective; that of a senior ICE leader who sees the glass half full, and one that is fed up with the only voices heard on this public forum being from the disgruntled few that think they speak for all of ICE/OI. I disagree, and it’s that simple.
There are some intelligent posters, who voice their opinions respectfully, asking questions that deserve answers. You, on the other hand, IMHO don’t qualify in that category.
Long Time Patriot (ficedup) understood the video for what it was. It’s about greedy lawyers and greedy corporations that are only worried about their bottom line.
Work Safe,
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 23, 2007 at 9:38 pm

“There are some intelligent posters, who voice their opinions respectfully, asking questions that deserve answers.”- EVS
Why would even a semi-literate person ask YOU a question. EVS is a schizophrenic. You’re a SAC in one sentence and an ass kicking 007 in the next sentence. WHO the F*** are you? You are NOBODY. PERIOD. WHY would anybody ask you a question? WE read the Ombudsman weekly email too. Get a clue!
“I’m going to continue to post, to represent the silent majority of hard working ICE agents that are doing the job that you all complain about.” – EVS
Knock yourself out big boy. The “job” is doing NOTHING and you do that as well as any former Customs Patrol officer turned agent ever did. Talk about welfare promotions! YOU are the reason CUSTOMS OI started going downhill long before ICE. BTW dawg, you are neither silent nor do you represent the majority. Time for you to call in your pretend friends. In case you haven’t noticed, the EVS cheese stands alone.

J Leyn on June 23, 2007 at 10:31 pm

A SIMPLE answer for a SIMPLE man.
“Anyone with half a brain knows that EVS is simply an ICE propaganda machine assigned to spew out disinformation on Marcy’s behalf.”-J Leyn
“Sources in HQ report that Marcy is most upset by the EVS postings on DS.”- J Leyn
“EVS is actually a foot solider who needs to get back on his meds before HQ tracks him down!” J. Lynn
“In fact, EVS is a GS/13 dinosaur who works in a tiny RAC office deep in the heart of Dixie and misses unloading bales of weed from old wooden shrimp boats. ” J. Lynn
HUH? (EVS)
Real simple. Information was received today. Sorry to burst your wannabe SAC kingdom. HQ insider read the former and informed me of the latter. Time for you to take a break. Try the Grand Casino. Great poker game there with loads of donkeys just like YOU.

J Leyn on June 23, 2007 at 10:40 pm

J,
As usual, you make no sense. I’ll not waste anymore energy on you. Get a clue, then you can come back and play with the big boys.
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 23, 2007 at 11:07 pm

EVS, MORE LIES. All you have to do is start busting employers like you mean it, and the illegals will start going home. I don’t believe FOR ONE SECOND that the government can’t stop the Mexican Invasion, and reverse it.

steve ventry on June 24, 2007 at 1:37 am

Steve Ventry,
Nothing I have said sir, is a lie. I hate the fact that illegal aliens are everywhere you look today, just as much as you do. I’m sure your S. Mississippi community would be better off without the hundreds and thousands of illegal aliens.
But again, we didn’t get this way over night, and despite your demands, we can’t remove them all over night either.
Tell Senators Thad Cochran and Trent Lott that you are fed up with it, and demand that they fund ICE at a higher level, so ICE can increase FTE’s, hire more Special Agents, and do more to address this plague.
You see, anytime illegal immigration is discussed, all Congress sees is Border Patrol. Border Patrol doesn’t concern itself with those illegal aliens already here, that falls to ICE.
We can stop the invasion, but it has to be a joint effort (Congress,BP,ICE).
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 24, 2007 at 8:59 am

Hey ‘lapdoggy’ I have plenty to say…only problem is I’m trying not to vent our dirty laundry on the www about how truly assed-up our agency is. If you think you sound intelligent and are doing the agency a service by posting your incessant rants on here, you really need to buy a clue. YOU are the laughing stock and entertainment of the day for us agents that actually work jackass!

Cracked_ICE on June 24, 2007 at 9:00 am

Cracked Head,
How’s that feel?
How can you characterize my comments on this site as “venting our dirty laundry”, or “incessant rants”?
I’ve responded to questions, put pissants like you in their place, and tried to contribute perspective to this blog, that before I began, was dominated by the bottle/rock thowers, who give the readers an incorrect impression of ICE.
I’m the “laughing stock and entertainment of the day”?
Working agents are most likely laughing at you Cracked, not with you. Somehow I don’t buy that you are an agent that actually works, but maybe I’m wrong.
Have a wonderful day.
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 24, 2007 at 9:35 am

When you people succeed at DISSOLVING the United States, you won’t be in charge of a DAMN thing. Nobody believes in the law, the flag, or the country anymore, we see it’s an illusion, now. You think about that.

steve ventry on June 24, 2007 at 10:05 am

Debbie, looks like you’ve stirred up another one. It’s amazing I took so long to comment, but I felt I had to as I read through the posts.
Working field agents are NOT laughing at “Cracked ICE” as many of us are suffering from the same fustration. I see this anxiety coming from legacy agents from both sides of the fence.
As for our mission and what we should be doing, its true that most are able to continue doing their legacy cases. But when you need guidance, direction or management backing or a decision, it’s kind of hard to get it in an office which has not had a SAC for several months, a DSAC that is in retirement mode, and ASACs who can’t make a decision. As for the SAC we are getting, we are hearing that he really doesnt want to be here.
In the past several months, a few issues arose which required “decisions” to be made. The issues were kicked up the “chain” and after several months, I am happy to report that NOTHING has been decided. Indecision breeds indecision, and we are breeding it like rabbits!!
As for such matters as WSE raids, I dont know who has to approve them. But I am watching with dismay and disgust the failout from WSE raids in New Haven (which according to my info was not ICE/OI, but DRO). Since when do we have to justify enforcing the law to outside agencies? Notification to outside agencies is a courtesy, not a REQUIREMENT. Without knowing all the details, a little backing from HQ would be nice.
So, for those who think all is rosey in ICE, please accept the constructive critisism as a form of self expression. And based on what I have seen, it’s very warranted.
And here’s a litmus test; can you find any similiar articles, posts, blogs, etc., which refer to any other law enforcement agency (or any govt agency for that matter)????? Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. Even if ICE suffers from HALF the ailments outlined on this site…. that’s pretty sad!

ICEDover on June 24, 2007 at 10:37 am

“Nothing I have said sir, is a lie. I hate the fact that illegal aliens are everywhere you look today, just as much as you do. I’m sure your S. Mississippi community would be better off without the hundreds and thousands of illegal aliens.
But again, we didn’t get this way over night, and despite your demands, we can’t remove them all over night either.
Tell Senators Thad Cochran and Trent Lott that you are fed up with it, and demand that they fund ICE at a higher level, so ICE can increase FTE’s, hire more Special Agents, and do more to address this plague.” -EVS outs himself!
Thanks for coming out of the Gulfport/Biloxi RAC closet. There are only two ICE managers (GS/14 RACs) in the entire state of Mississippi. EVS is neither of them. In fact EVS is a GS/13 journeyman agent, well past his prime. Time to put out the “GONE FISHING” sign old man.
NEXT CASE.

J Leyn on June 24, 2007 at 1:01 pm

J. Leyn
What do you mean “EVS outs himself”? You are right that I’m not either of the GS-14 RAC’s in MS, but you are wrong thinking I’m a journeyman GS/13, well past his prime.
Because I know who Mississippi’s U.S. Senators are, I must be from Mississippi? I probably know the names of your Senators too, does that mean I’m from your state too? How funny!
Why sir, are you so obsessed with my identity?
I don’t see anyone guessing yours.
Silly Game,
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 24, 2007 at 1:53 pm

J. Leyn
What do you mean “EVS outs himself”? You are right that I’m not either of the GS-14 RAC’s in MS, but you are wrong thinking I’m a journeyman GS/13, well past his prime.
Because I know who Mississippi’s U.S. Senators are, I must be from Mississippi? I probably know the names of your Senators too, does that mean I’m from your state too? How funny!
Why sir, are you so obsessed with my identity?
I don’t see anyone guessing yours.
Silly Game,
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 24, 2007 at 1:54 pm

J. Leyn
What do you mean “EVS outs himself”? You are right that I’m not either of the GS-14 RAC’s in MS, but you are wrong thinking I’m a journeyman GS/13, well past his prime.
Because I know who Mississippi’s U.S. Senators are, I must be from Mississippi? I probably know the names of your Senators too, does that mean I’m from your state too? How funny!
Why sir, are you so obsessed with my identity?
I don’t see anyone guessing yours.
Silly Game,
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 24, 2007 at 1:54 pm

J. Leyn
What do you mean “EVS outs himself”? You are right that I’m not either of the GS-14 RAC’s in MS, but you are wrong thinking I’m a journeyman GS/13, well past his prime.
Because I know who Mississippi’s U.S. Senators are, I must be from Mississippi? I probably know the names of your Senators too, does that mean I’m from your state too? How funny!
Why sir, are you so obsessed with my identity?
I don’t see anyone guessing yours.
Silly Game,
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 24, 2007 at 1:55 pm

J. Leyn
What do you mean “EVS outs himself”? You are right that I’m not either of the GS-14 RAC’s in MS, but you are wrong thinking I’m a journeyman GS/13, well past his prime.
Because I know who Mississippi’s U.S. Senators are, I must be from Mississippi? I probably know the names of your Senators too, does that mean I’m from your state too? How funny!
Why sir, are you so obsessed with my identity?
I don’t see anyone guessing yours.
Silly Game,
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 24, 2007 at 1:55 pm

Debbie,
Didn’t do that on purpose. I received an error message every time I tried to post, and I thought it had not posted. If I could remove all but one I would.
Sorry,
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 24, 2007 at 2:11 pm

EVS has identified himself as a high level ICE manager many times. In fact EVS is not an ICE manager in OI. EVS begs for DS posters to ask him questions so that he can set the record straight as a high level ICE manager. EVS is not in a position of authority. EVS does not get any more “inside” information that the rest of us.
EVS is entitled to his opinion. But EVS is wrong to tell untruths and represent ICE management in order to appear credible. SICK.
Of course there are a small number of ICE agents who share the minority views of EVS. That’s great. Post away. But don’t pretend to speak for ICE management or the “silent” majority of ICE agents.
Who am I? An ICE SA assigned to a group that has more agents than the entire RAC where you work. A SAC office with ten times the number of agents that are assigned to the entire state where you work.
EVS, you couldn’t fill a two car motorcade with the number of agents who share your views on ICE/OI.
OK, your turn big fella. The truth shall set you free.

J Leyn on June 24, 2007 at 3:33 pm

J. Leyn,
Wrong again. Don’t you get tired of being told you are wrong? LOL You aren’t even close my friend, not even close. If you know who I am, why don’t you say so, smart guy. If you are paying your source for information, you better demand a refund. LOL
I haven’t begged anyone to ask me questions either. I have offered to provide a different perspective, for those that want answers. If you aren’t in that group, it’s OK. You can continue to believe the rumors that Debbie likes to champion in her posts. I’d rather deal in facts.
I haven’t said a thing on this site that wasn’t true, period. I am who I’ve said I am. I also agreed to drop the “EVS” alias, when and if any of you “investigators” guessed correctly. Don’t think that will be happening anytime soon. LOL
There are more ICE agents that share my view for where this agency is going, then you would like to believe J. We know it’s not perfect, but it’s still a damn good place to work, and in time, we’ll get there.
OK J, put up or shut up!
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 24, 2007 at 6:13 pm

In time, you’ll get WHERE?? Have you been to New Jersey lately and SEEN that it’s really not America, anymore? Have you been anyplace where you’re not only the only English-speaker, but probably the only one who knows who George Washington was?? Have you been to ANY carpet factory between Atlanta and Chattanooga and seen the 100% Mexican population?? That’s occurred in 5 years flat! Or pallet factories in Iowa, or chicken plants in Arkansas, or construction sites in N. Carolina?? You guys at ICE may not be responsible, but quit kidding US that the federal government isn’t intentionally turning America into a serf plantation, puh-lease.

steve ventry on June 24, 2007 at 11:12 pm

EVS, I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.

J Leyn on June 25, 2007 at 12:50 am

Just a few observations;
To steve ventry get your ass off the couch and join the fight, take the test, take the oath and take the challenge and become a part of the solution. I been a federal law enforcement officer for over 30 years and I’ve seen a lot of people like you, they like to sit back and criticise but aren’t willing to take it to the next level. That being said, if you tried and didn’t make it, I apologize.
To J Leyn & EVS would you guys please join a private chat room where you can banter back and forth all you want with the other frustrated, highly paid and disgruntled agents.
The whole point of Debbie’s post was overshadowed by all this ICE bashing BS. It is time face facts, it is what it is and we have to make it work, because the country is depending on US, funding US and expects US to do whatever we can to ensure their safety.
So get off you high horses, quit feeling sorry for yourselves and get to work and that means, conducting investigations, arresting the violators and taking away their assets in whatever group you are assigned.
Have a great day!
Long time Patriot
PS. If you don’t like the current job find a new one, because you were probably looking for one when you found one with either legacy agency.

ficedup on June 25, 2007 at 6:35 am

Game, Set, Match. I’m out.
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 25, 2007 at 6:41 am

ficedup, I don’t need to become a federal agent to have an opinion. And, who says I’ve been sitting on the couch? What are you talking about?
And EVS, I don’t know why you’re always declaring victory, you haven’t convinced anyone of anything. You’re just another hack who’s been bullshitting everyone that the government works for “the people”.

steve ventry on June 25, 2007 at 9:46 am

Ventry,
You are right, you are entitled to your opinion but when you are opining about things you don’t know or understand you fit the classic definition of an opinion “they are like ass*****, everyone has one and they all stink”!!!!
Sitting on the couch reference, I based that on your statements regarding immigration enforcement, they sound like they are from the media. So get in the game tough guy>>>>>
LTP

ficedup on June 25, 2007 at 10:12 am

“Game, Set, Match. I’m out.” EVS
The OVER/UNDER (days) for the return of EVS is set at 3.
I take the under IF EVS is NOT the Long Time Patriot. If EVS is in fact the LTP, all bets are off since he never left.
BTW, LTP the problem is not with the agents. The problem is with ICE. Agents are not allowed to do their jobs at ICE/OI. ICE/DRO is on a pace to remove all absconders in 105 years (if they can pick the pace up to 500 a month). OF course, that will happen MUCH faster with amnesty. And ICE/OI will have EVEN less to do. Only in the USA brotha!

J Leyn on June 25, 2007 at 8:36 pm

Steve Ventry, you have not a clue of what you speak.
“but quit kidding US that the federal government isn’t intentionally turning America into a serf plantation, puh-lease.”
That is the most moronic statement I’ve ever heard uttered on this site. Steve Ventry couldn’t pass the entry test boys, so stop trying to recruit him as an agent.
J.Leyn, I’m not sure I understand the over/under reference, and no, I’m not posting on this site under any other name.
I’ve been on the road this past week, but I’ll be on this weekend from time to time, if you have anything worth debating.
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 29, 2007 at 8:12 pm

i went to work for a brickmason company and 4 of the 62 employees were not mexicans. Not only was i discriminated against i was hurt from the scaffold that the mexicans built. OSHA was on the job site the day before and held a safety meeting including the proper way to build scaffold. When you have over half the work force that can”t speak english someone is bound to get hurt and that someone was me. I am ready to put an end to this madness if anyone out there is as fed up as I am please e-mail me and lets get something positive started like getting rid of all these illegals. Enough is enough lets take back our country and put legal Americans back to work.

robert ahrens on December 21, 2009 at 5:53 pm

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