July 3, 2007, - 1:25 pm

The Hypocritical Summer of Ted Nugent

By Debbie Schlussel

**** UPDATE More Important Info on Ted Nugent: Ted Nugent Shoulda Been “In Jail or Dead” Long Before Obama: Draft-Dodging Multi-BabyDaddy Child Predator ****

Am I the only one who’s sick and tired of the hypocritical ventings and lecturings of Ted Nugent? Am I the only one who sees through this rocker-with-no-clothing? Are conservatives so desperate for a D-list celebrity that they will overlook all to embrace Ted Nugent? Apparently so.
Today’s Wall Street Journal features an op-ed piece by Nugent, who likes to refer to himself as “Uncle Ted.” The piece, “The Summer of Drugs,” is three columns of Nugent bloviation and braggadocio about how he never did drugs on the rock scene in the ’60s and ’70s (a point a lot of bigger name rockers who toured with him dispute) and what a great moral guy he is because he was not like the rest of the ’60s generation.

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Ted Nugent: Portrait of a Hypocrite


All fiction, since Nugent–a Draft Dodger–divorced his wife, used his rock star money to gain sole custody of the kids, lived with a teen groupie who raised the kids (he was too busy touring), cheated on his second wife, Shemane, and had a kid outside of wedlock with Karen Gutowski of New Hampshire, with whom he fought against paying child support for years.

**** UPDATE, 02/17/09: That’s in addition to the two other kids Ted Nugent had out of wedlock with two other different women by the time he turned 21. That’s right. Ted Nugent fathered SEVEN kids with FIVE different women, to which only two of whom he was married. ****

It’s hilarious to read “Uncle Ted” Nugent moralizing to us in the Journal, including these passages, since he’s not exactly the ideal utterer of them:

Turned off by the work ethic and productive American Dream values of their parents, hippies instead opted for a cowardly, irresponsible lifestyle of random sex, life-destroying drugs and mostly soulless rock music that flourished in San Francisco. . . .
A quick study of social statistics before and after the 1960s is quite telling. The rising rates of divorce, high school drop outs, drug use, abortion, sexual diseases and crime, not to mention the exponential expansion of government and taxes, is dramatic. The “if it feels good, do it” lifestyle born of the 1960s has proved to be destructive and deadly.

I agree with all of these things, but can’t hear them coming from Ted Nugent. From him it sounds more like “The Nudge,” instead of another one of his favorite self-monikers, “The Nuge.” It’s too much Nugent saying, “Do as I say, not as I do,” especially since his battle to avoid paying for his illegitimate kid was just two years ago. (Everyone falls for his phony act, though, since Nugent was once named “Father of the Year,” by some ignorant group.)
And here’s how he got out of serving in Vietnam, where many of his fans died fighting. From a July 15, 1990 Detroit Free Press Sunday Magazine profile:

And he is equally proud that the Michigan Legislature this year proclaimed him a “wholesome, traditional” man of “honesty, integrity, loyalty and patriotism.”

But Nugent wanted no part of Vietnam. He claims that 30 days before his draft board physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last 10 days, he ingested nothing but Vienna sausages and Pepsi; and a week before his physical, he stopped using bathrooms altogether, virtually living inside pants caked with his own excrement, stained by his urine.

That spectacle won Nugent a deferment, he says, although the Free Press was unable to verify his draft status.
“The men who went should be applauded, but if I would have gone over there, I’d have been killed, or I’d have killed all the hippies in the foxholes . . . I would have killed everybody.” [DS: In other words, let them do the job for me, while I rock and lounge over here in safety. Whatever, Ted.]

WITH HIS WORRIES ABOUT THE draft out of the way — “I never heard from them again” — Nugent focused on his band.

And don’t forget this from the New York Post in 2004:

Courtney Love phoned into The Howard Stern Show on Monday (March 22) before eventually coming into the studio where she made the shocking allegation that one of the first times she had oral sex was with Ted Nugent. She said she was young and she didn’t want to say exactly how old she was, but eventually confessed she was 12-year-old – which would have made Nugent approximately 28 years old at the time. The New York Post attempted to contact Nugent for a response but was unsuccessful. Moderators at Nugent’s official forum deleted the only thread asking about the topic as evidenced by the forum’s search giving a file not found error for the matched thread. She added it was a long time ago and she didn’t even have breasts yet.

Ted Nugent also likes to call himself “the Motor City Madman” (he has a lot of bloated, self-important nicknames). But Ted Nugent moralizing to the rest of America as if he’s the opponent–instead of the embodiment–of ’60s morality doesn’t have a thing to do with the Motor City. It’s just plain Mad.

(Given all this, it’s notable that Sean the Plagiarist Hannity likes him so much and features him so much on his cable and radio show. Well, at least, I know this is one thing I’ve written that Vannity won’t be plagiarizing anytime soon.)

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I am a huge fan of the Nuge. I admire him as a great guitarist, firearms advocate, colorful personality, and Pro-American voice. He is also a guy who moralizes loudly against the use of drugs, has loudly proclaimed his own drug-free past while there is a large amount of contrary evidence (multiple interviews from the 1970’s). Is he lying now or was he lying then?
He generally takes responsibility for his sexual escapades and draft dodging, but I do feel it’s hypocritical for conservative commentators, usually “Vanity” Hannity & Church to give him so much credibility and air time. The same activities they assail Bill Clinton for are the same things Nugent is guilty of.

Marc B. on July 3, 2007 at 2:42 pm

Only on Howard Stern could you hear that vacuous slut detail sex acts with rock stars. The self-proclaimed “king of all media” has nothing intelligent, humorous, or interesting to present to listners, just the same filth he’s wallowed in for 20 years. Debbie, why do you lower yourself by appearing on his show from time to time? Nugent may be a hypocrite, but I have much more respect for him than a man who truly practices what he preaches: Stern!
HAVEN’T BEEN ON STERN’S SHOW IN WELL OVER A YEAR, BUT FRANKLY, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ME GOING ON A SHOW WHERE I DON’T LOWER MYSELF BUT INSTEAD REACH AN AUDIENCE OF THE UNCONVERTED. I CONVERTED MANY WHO HEARD ME ON THE SHOW, AS THE THOUSANDS OF E-MAILS ATTEST. WHY DO YOU THINK WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY WROTE A COLUMN FOR PLAYBOY? THOSE WHO ONLY GO ON “CONSERVATIVE” FORUMS LIKE FOX NEWS ARE PREACHING TO THE CONVERTED, A WASTE OF TIME.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

spiffo on July 3, 2007 at 3:08 pm

Great column and posts so far!! I can relate to all the opinions expressed so far and they aren’t the same at all.
I always wondered if it was a crock of sh– that Nuge could do all those songs like he did/does: Cat scratch fever, Wang-dang sweet —-! etc and still proclaim he isn’t/wasn’t a typical sexaholic pimping rock star.
Debbie is pretty good at nailing a phony-so Ted you probably have all this coming for sure. Yet, I heard/saw Nuge on a clip from a MSM show last week touting his “plan for dealing with illegal immigrants.” Debbie, you would have liked the program very much. So he can do some good.
I always like how Nudge (cut DS) is taking on the tree-hugging anti-hunters and vegetarians. “Kill it and Grill it!” his recent cook-book sounds like a true hunters’ reference work.
Nuge is a little nuts–and perhaps a hypocrite too. hmmmm.

BB on July 3, 2007 at 4:01 pm

Thank you for pointing out the disgusting Ted Nugent’s hypocrisy! And thank the Christian god for the current batch of war bloggers for their real courage and putting themselves on the line! Thanks, Debbie!

Moe Szyslak on July 3, 2007 at 4:03 pm

With Ted Nugent, I’ve always looked down on his sexual escapades. I love and always have loved his music, but understand his many shortcomings. Besides his music, what I’ve always like about him was his anti-drug stance and, no, I don’t believe the other rockers who dispute THIS aspect of his career. I also have a problem with believing anything Courtney Love says. I realize he was a dog who should never win father or husband of the year, but I’ll give credit where credit is due. His past with the draft understood, give him credit for his support of the troops and police now. It’s rare in the entertainment industry. Yes, he can be a hypoctrite, but he articulates a pro-American point of view well. By the way, if you want to talk hypocrisy, write sometimes about the contrived patriotism and family values of SOME of the country music stars.

Allen on July 3, 2007 at 5:56 pm

Interesting thread…
1. Hannity and Nugent deserve each other.
2. Real conservatives don’t need heroes, since they are rugged individuals. That said, there really are not too many good conservative role models. Most are deeply flawed, including Reagan–even if he was better than most.
3. Another problem with this hero concept is that it seems to force people to overlook huge flaws to still embrace potential presidential candidates.
e.g. Mitt Romney–Whom does he think he is fooling? Try to watch his “Decision” video with puking– I dare you.

Red Ryder on July 3, 2007 at 6:24 pm

hey spiffo, stern has a lot more class than you sex addicted buddy ted nugent. yes debbie calls in the stern show to get here message out about the thugs of the world who support the world of islam and there supporter who what to destory the jewish state, information i would have never heard about until debbie called in and yes stern gave her 4 hours on one of his channels (which was the best radio i have heard in years about items you would never hear about in the mainstream media),also stern can be rude and ballbusting to debbie and debbie defends herself well, DEBBIE YOU NEED TO IN WITH FIST UP TO SPEAK YOUR MIND OUT MORE TO GET MORE OF THE STERNO FAN!!! remember debbie was one of those listener back 1980 who listen to stern on WWWW in the motor city ,maybe one of only a few back then.ted back in 1980 was molesting groupies and treating women like whores and slaves, ask any women who had contact with him he treated them like dogs and second class citizen, something his conservative friends seem to forget.keep up the good work debbie!!!!!!!!!

PNAMARBLE on July 3, 2007 at 6:53 pm

Ted isn’t perfect, but if more people had his guts, this country wouldn’t be falling apart. He was telling the non-English speakers to go home 20 years ago.

steve ventry on July 3, 2007 at 7:43 pm

Isn’t Ted Nugent the one who likes to shoot lots of defenseless animals AND THEN brag about it like he is some big hero for doing so?
I did not know that he was a draft dodger.
He always sounded like he was some kind of Rambo ex Special Forces guy the few times that I heard him on some radio talk shows.
I thought that unlikely as he bragged so much about his defenseless animal kills, but I figured that he at least had been a clerk in the Air Force or something anyway.
What a coward.
What a phony.

feralcat9 on July 3, 2007 at 9:09 pm

If more people had “guts” like Ted Nugent the country wouldn’t be falling apart, it would have exploded long ago from an overload of HOT AIR!

feralcat9 on July 3, 2007 at 9:13 pm

Who is Ted Nugent? Never heard of him.

lexi on July 3, 2007 at 9:17 pm

I found this quote on him. I can not vouch for it’s authenticity, but it seems to ring true.
“Nugent dodged the draft during the Vietnam War. In an interview for the Detroit Free Press (July 15, 1990), Nugent described how he avoided the draft: He claims that 30 days before his Draft Board Physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last ten days he ingested nothing but junk food and Pepsi, and a week before his physical he stopped using the bathroom altogether, virtually living inside pants caked with excrement and stained by his urine.”
Clearly (if the above is even sort of true) a phony’s phony and a coward’s coward.
I wonder who went and maybe died in his place.
What a little POS.

feralcat9 on July 3, 2007 at 9:22 pm

Sorry Debbie, I had not read your whole post yet.
I now see that you already covered Ted’s Excrement Adventures!

feralcat9 on July 3, 2007 at 10:08 pm

Marc B. – “The same activities they assail Bill Clinton for are the same things Nugent is guilty of.”
And apparently so much more, as I don’t think even Bill Clinton $hit in his pants to keep from going to Vietnam.
At least Clinton had some class anyway.
Not much, but some.

feralcat9 on July 3, 2007 at 10:14 pm

I still agree with most everything he says today even if he is a hypocrite for things he has done. He would be alot better than Granholm.

ECW on July 3, 2007 at 11:59 pm

You ever feel so embarrassed that you feel your face heated up? I only knew of him back then and what I heard was only on the radio. I didn’t dislike him I just wasn’t impressed enough to be one to want to see him live. I’ve seen and heard him lately on the talk shows. I bought what he said. I said, ‘oh, that’s wonderful’. All about the troops and the (peoples). The lengths people went to to avoid the draft. I recently emailed him citing four occassions I had having guns pulled on me in the cab. I wasn’t doing a pro or con arguement I was just telling about the difference between two of the incidents with people around and the other two where there no people around. I tried to draw attention toward everyone having a gun in cities. Since getting robbed is not gunfight at the OK corral, whoever draws first is the winner, it’s gun to the head, hands up. If one has a gun their first opportunity to use it would be when the crimminal is running away. I tried to emphasize the danger of having people threading their aim through a crowd of people getting their target and then have the lady with a baby come out of the store just as you pull the trigger. I explained that my Vietnam experience gave me a lot of weapons experience. I wasn’t afraid of weapons. I feel so silly now for having sent that email.

John Cunningham on July 4, 2007 at 12:03 am

Howard Stern is one of the best interviewers I ever heard. He draws out an amazing amount of information from seasoned BS artists on his show. He rivals the best detectives in the country in that regard.
As for Ted, his draft dodging depends on what year, the smart Vietnam Veterans don’t hold it against guys who tried to get out of going later in the war.
Unless your nominating Ted Nugent for Sainthood, you can’t really say the guy’s guilty of half what our elected officials are guilty of having committed.

code7 on July 4, 2007 at 12:13 am

*just finishing listening to cat scratch fever*
Another one goes death buster on me. How many more great people have to fall to the way of the death buster?

Squirrel3D on July 4, 2007 at 1:13 am

code7 – “As for Ted, his draft dodging depends on what year, the smart Vietnam Veterans don’t hold it against guys who tried to get out of going later in the war.”
I don’t care how late it was in the war.
No one with an ounce of class or courage would EVER have done ANYTHING like that.
Ted Nugent is a POS.

feralcat9 on July 4, 2007 at 3:20 am

POS, both figuratively and literally.
When he showed up at the induction center like he did, they should have rented a back hoe.

feralcat9 on July 4, 2007 at 3:24 am

John Cunningham – “The lengths people went to to avoid the draft.”
Going to lengths is one think, he went way beyond any lengths that I had ever heard of before!

feralcat9 on July 4, 2007 at 3:28 am

Debbie – “(Given all this, it’s notable that Sean the Plagiarist Hannity likes him so much and features him so much on his cable and radio show. Well, at least, I know this is one thing I’ve written that Vannity won’t be plagiarizing anytime soon.)”
Hannity may be a chickenhawk, but at least he is not a $hitbird.

feralcat9 on July 4, 2007 at 3:31 am

code 7, 12.13, ‘smart Vietnam veterans’, I guess I’m just a botched Kerry joke. For your reading pleasure http://www.hnn.us/articles/31400.html Sounds like you’re up to your same old tricks. Let’s see if you get away with it this time.

John Cunningham on July 4, 2007 at 9:27 am

John Cunningham- I’m not sure what “old tricks” is supposed to mean nor what the hell your point is. I would take Ted Nugent over the deceitful, self-promoting, traitor Kerry anyday. That guy has written and passed one bill in twenty years in the Senate. He also was instrumental in blocking U.S. efforts to account for POWs and MIAs by hijacking the Congressional Committee for his own vain agenda. I didn’t defend Ted Nugent’s actions but suggested there might be more to the story, probably not worth getting your panties in a bunch over John C. I read your suggestion, Nixon promised we were getting out and he delivered (he didn’t say when). The Democrats weren’t the cause of the fall of the South Vietnam, but nice try.
Southeast Asian communists dragged our POWs out to watch film of Kerry turning on them before Congress. I don’t know who you hang with but I’ve never heard anyone give much thought to Ted at all. But Kerry, can cause them spit up their meal.

code7 on July 4, 2007 at 12:01 pm

Debbie:
I love you kiddo – but you’re way off base on Ted. He acknowledged that he’s
made many mistakes in his life in the article. He’s also on record (at least
from the old Creem magazine i read in the 70’s) that he did try coke and acid
once and found it to be less satisfying than a good meal or sex. He divorced
the mother of his children because she refused to stop using. That he used his
resources to gain custody of his children seems more like a responsible parent
than an egotistical power play. That woman later was killed in a violent car
crash in which she was very intoxicated. Good things the kids weren’t in the
car, eh?
Who specifically are the “much bigger stars” that dispute Ted’s claims of not
using drugs? I know Paul McCartney hates him because Ted used to poke fun at
Linda when she was still alive. But that had nothing to do with drugs.
Also, please consider the source with regards to Courtney Love. She’s Yoko Ono
without the cute looks!! :):)
Bill Craig (Detroit)

semnol on July 4, 2007 at 4:45 pm

Bill Craig (Detroit) – “He acknowledged that he’s
made many mistakes in his life in the article.”
Pi$$ing and $hiting in his pants for a week was a mistake? Maybe once, but for a whole damn week?
ROFLMAO!!!
The “man” is clearly classless, a blow hard and a coward.
Nothing could be more obvious.
Nothing.

feralcat9 on July 4, 2007 at 5:00 pm

code 7, old tricks is to attack the veterans. The veterans did not lose the war. The United States did not lose the war. The US military did not lose the war. The democrats cut beans and bullets money to the South and refused to allow our Air Force to give the South a bit of a defense to knock out the tanks that were used by the north’s chinese communist financed blitzkreig. The democrats handed the South to the communists. They dismissed the efforts of 58,000 dead GIs. This lead to the destabilization of Cambodia which lead to the 2 million that were murdered in the Killing Fields of Pol Pot. The democrats are also responsible for the millions of Vietnamese that voted with their feet and floated out to sea and became the Vietnamese Boat People. You blew your cover by taking a shot at veterans. The South Vietnamese did not ask for the US to send the troops back in. We handed a reasonable facsimile of a democracy to the South and a pretty well trained military. The democrats said no to the South’s need for enough beans and bullets money. That’s what the democrats did, you can’t get around it. The democrats were in bed with the communists back then and they’re desperately trying to do an encore with our military in Iraq today. The democrats are today in bed with the islamofacists. Actions speak louder than words.

John Cunningham on July 4, 2007 at 10:40 pm

No John C., you blew your cover trying to take what I said into a an attack on Vets and turning it into your pity party. Small wonder the VFW and American Legion have so few Vietnam Vets, who wants to listen to 9 out of 10 guys who never went near the front talk about how America turned its back on you. This continued delusional idea that more money was going to win the Vietnam War reminds me of the nut-jobs in Miami whining about Castro, the Confederates talking about the lost opportunities to win the Civil War etc. Personally, I disliked a huge group of the draftees from the last part of the war, many could barely read or write, hung out so long in the service they eventually got promoted to NCO where they made the military miserable with their ignorance, recruiting was down, drug use up, crime was up, and these clowns turned the Reserves and National Guard into beer halls. No, I stand my opinion that Ted would be a more interesting talk. Fortunately, the first Gulf War exposed many of them as dead weight and they left FINALLY.

code7 on July 5, 2007 at 12:16 am

Code7 – “Personally, I disliked a huge group of the draftees from the last part of the war, many could barely read or write, hung out so long in the service they eventually got promoted to NCO”
Are you John Kerry or Jane Fonda?
That SURE sounds like an attack on vets to me.
But then I suppose that you could have meant all that in a nice way.

feralcat9 on July 5, 2007 at 12:40 am

code pink, I mean 7. Did you ever step in it. It’s rare I have to trot out the DD214. Drafted Apr ’67, put into the infantry, where they put all us dregs of society. Went to RVN in Sep ’68 and put in the 196th Light Infantry, thirty miles south of DaNang. The Tet Offensive started. During the 9 months I was in the line unit I one day did an above and beyond and was awarded a Bronze Star with valor device and of course I have Combat Infantry Badge. Fell in love with choppers and put in to go to helicoptor school and was accepted. Requires a bit of intelligence to just get in. I have been tested and found to have an IQ of 146. Keep in mind I was originally drafted. Because of President Nixon’s Vietnamization of the war in ’69 I was eliminated after three months. They needed space for the Vietnamese they were bringing over to teach them how to fly their own helicoptors. Up until that time the Americans were flying not only all the Americans around but also the Vietnamese. What an exciting time, everywhere I went I went by air, helicoptors, Vietnam taxis. Sorry, didn’t mean to get nostalgic. Where was I? Went back to RVN in’70 but this year I didn’t have to be in the Infantry. Honorably discharged in May ’72. The following year the democrats started screaming they were going to cut funding just out of shear spite that it looked as though Nixon’s efforts and 58,000 dead GIs was going to be successful. We had negotiated our troop strength down to Embassy staff and advisory level.By the time of the collapse we weren’t ‘even in the country’. democrats then as today invested in the failure of the United States. For two years they gave indication to the communist north that if they mass along the Cambodian and Laotian border the minute they’re successful in cutting funding and the South runs out of ammunition the north can proceed with their chinese communist financed blitzkreig. The link I provided knows where all the ‘bodies are buried’. In ’75 South Vietnam collapsed because the democrats screwed them as they’re desperately trying to do to the Iraqis today. In ’84 I joined a National Guard Unit in Buffalo. It was when Reagan started the integration of Guard and Reserve units into the Regular Army. Our unit was attached to the 130th Engineer Brigade in Hanau, Germany. For the next ten years there was this back and forth between them and us. I personally participated in two trips to Germany. They did this so that if the Soviets didn’t surrender, ‘Mr. Gorbachev, take down this wall’ those of us here in the States had a familiarity with the terrain in Europe. The democrats would lead us today to believe that the Soviets gave up because we chatted. The only one chatting was Ted, and I don’t mean Nugent, it was Ted Kennedy. When the wall came down and the KGB and CIA were able to compare notes it was revealed that behind Reagan’s back Teddy was chatting. The Soviets decided to not want to be communists anymore because they were concerned that Reagan would unleash the hounds not because Teddy was chatting. Veterans that participated in Korea and Vietnam helped to chip away at the Wall that finally came down in Berlin in ’89. There was a policy of containment of communism whenever and wherever we could. And in spite of the continual efforts of the democrats to screw with this policy in the long run it worked. Our relation with Russia with its ups and downs is better today than it was when Russia was communist. Back in those days all we knew was the Cuban millile crises and Khruschev pounding his shoe at the UN telling us they were going to bury us. democrats tell people today that the Soviets were only kidding, all those efforts of containment and taking a stand were all a waste of time and money. Yea, right. democrats are today committed to the failure of our efforts in Iraq and are desperately trying to screw up the efforts of our stand against islamofacism and hope to God they are able to turn Iraq over to Iran. If President Bush leaves office and has done at least the containment of Iran with our being in Iraq and Afghanistan he will have accomplished a considerable amount. I hope a democrat isn’t elected because all those efforts will be dismantled by a democrat President. democrats are committed to the success of islamofacism. Mein Kamph, my struggle, jihad, the struggle.

John Cunningham on July 5, 2007 at 5:48 am

I implied a lot of smart vets wouldn’t being losing sleep over young men trying to get out of serving late in the War, you broke “cover” and insulted me, and dragged me into a crossfire I didn’t want to be in. I obviously struck a nerve and apologize, but you struck a nerve. too, the VFW where I live has eight Congressional Medal of Honor awardees, they invited me to their post and the rift was clear between the “Greatest Generation” and some Vietnam Vets, unfortunate, because there are Dems and Rebublicans in the group of Iraqi vets returning. I doubt they are going to want to hear about this vast conspiracy of Democrats handing Iraq to the extremists anymore that the WWII and Koreans War Vets want to hear that the Dems handing Vietnam to the communists. And no one is going to lose sleep over anything Ted Nugent says or does.

code7 on July 5, 2007 at 7:21 am

Calling Code 7, calling code 7. It’s the picture that is coming into view when one starts connecting dots. I see a pattern. I really guard against conspiracies, I don’t want to be a wing nut. Sorry to snap but I just can’t bring myself to trust a democrat’s judgement. These are not FDR/JFK Democrats, democrats nowadays are their children. I honestly don’t think I’m over reaching. My problem with Ted Nugent was what I felt to be a lack of experience with weapons in close quarters. My experience was ‘excuse me mammasan, could you step aside, I have to shoot the person standing behind you’. Then the number of experiences with guns here in the States. Like I said, it ain’t gunfight at the OK corral. While driving the cab in Philadelphia there were three times when people came at me with knives. I carried CS gas and was able to stop them in their tracks about eight feet away. When I sent Nugent the email he was making the rounds around the Virginia Tech shootings. Given the speed with which weapons can fire the nut doing the shooting had done his damage in 30 seconds. If everyone had been packing they would not have had the time to respond. Nugent believes everyone should be packing. I believe everyone should have a weapon in their home. I don’t have one but I live on a busy street in a fairly safe Philadelphia suburb. But, just in case I keep two pepper sprays in different places so that if there’s ever a ‘home invasion’. These things usually happen in the city, but, hey, you never know. I guess what set me off with Nugent is those with the least experience are the ones that present themselves as those that know all about it. After reading Debbie’s article I’m left with the feeling that perhaps Nugent is over reacting to make up for his past. I don’t think he’s considered all the variables. He couldn’t because of his life experiences. How could he know. Now that I know what I know I don’t feel he’s qualified. I used to be a mushroom then I was retired and am very well taken care of by the VA. Been this way since Nov ’04. They even gave me this PC. I’m 59 and don’t even get social security, yet. Cha-ching. Now I have all the time to find out what ‘they’ve’ been up to all these years. I am your tax dollars at work, please, don’t forget to pay your taxes.

John Cunningham on July 5, 2007 at 8:15 am

John Cunningham – “After reading Debbie’s article I’m left with the feeling that perhaps Nugent is over reacting to make up for his past.”
Human life expectancy isn’t nearly long enough for Ted Nugent to make up for Ted’s Excrement Adventures.
Particularly, assuming that is what he is trying to do, by killing so many defenseless animals for fun and being such a classless blow hard.

feralcat9 on July 5, 2007 at 12:06 pm

I’ve always thought the best conservative rocker has been Alice Cooper. Ted might be considered a great guitarist, but his music is cheesy and lame. Most of Alice Cooper’s music from the 70’s still holds up today.

TubeSteak on July 5, 2007 at 1:26 pm

feralcat9, I guess I’ve let it be known there’s been times in my life I’ve had to take out some two legged animals I’ve met, but, I just can’t do it to the four legged ones. I can’t even fish, can’t bring myself to trick one into biting onto a hook. But, if someone else murders them or if they commit suicide I don’t mind eating them.
Tube steak, back in my dumb days Alice Cooper was playing the Spectrum. It was the concert where he hanged himself. I had been mentally conditioned for the event and was on my way. At 37th and Powelton, a three street intersection, I walked right out in front a car. In being launched my head went back onto the hood before being catapaulted through the air. I picked myself up about 15′ away in the middle of the intersection. I was only bleeding from the back of my head. Well, the blood shouldn’t block my vision, it being on the back. I’ll clean up when I get home. Somehow going to an Alice Cooper concert with blood dripping down the back of my head seemed to be appropriate. I didn’t feel a thing.

John Cunningham on July 5, 2007 at 3:04 pm

John, this “slightly” updated Alice Copper piece is dedicated to you!!!
Well we had no choice
All you girls and boys
Makin all that noise
‘Cause we found new power
Well we can’t follow Bush
Can’t find a reason
If that don’t suit ya
That’s a drag
Bush’s is out for the summer
His Presidency’s will be out forever
Bush’s been blown to pieces
No more amnesty
No more crooks
No more Bush’s dirty looks
Well he got no class
And he got no principles
And we got no innocence anymore
We can’t even think of a word that rhymes with traitor
Bush is out for the summer
His Presidency’s out forever
Bush’s been blown to pieces
No more amnesty
No more crooks
No more Bush’s dirty looks
Out for the summer
Out till the fall
He might not even get back at all
Bush’s out for the summer
Bush’s out forever
Bush’s out with a fever
Bush’s out completely
HT: Alice Cooper

feralcat9 on July 5, 2007 at 4:08 pm

And to you too TubeSteak.

feralcat9 on July 5, 2007 at 4:12 pm

I hear you John- I like people from Boston and Phili especially, thought many times about how it would be to drive a cab when I retire, just to be out in the city. Gave a disabled SF Major from Philadelphia with PTSD my laptop (he lives elsewhere now). Glad you are being taken care of at the VA, he got some Paki doctor that jerking him around. It’s bad enough he can’t work and barely drive living on $1000/month but he has to deal with some idiot that doesn’t realize how close he is to killing himself.
Maybe Ted is an idiot, I don’t know. But I have sat around and shot the shit with Alice Cooper, he didn’t say much, didn’t drink, looked like a real vampire (without his make-up) but he took me as a straight-up businessman which is what they don’t want you to know. And by the way, always been a Republican, registered and active since 1979 when I gave a whole lot of grief to the visiting lecturer Tom Hayden. Boxed for a Vietnam Veterans benefit that sold 4,000 tickets, too.

code7 on July 5, 2007 at 6:04 pm

I liked Ted Nugent for his defense of the 2nd Amendment but I think his draft dodging is shameful. I don’t care how bad the war was, draft dodgers are complete cowards. And before someone says how bad it was, blah, blah, my eldest Uncle got a deferrment for having a knocked-up wife, I think the baby came first. Then two years later his younger brother, my Dad’s twin brother was drafted. He went and died. I wonder if my Uncle ever has any guilt over this.
My Dad was medically ineligible by the way from a football injury that’s why he didn’t enlist along with his brother. I guess because after 37 years my Dad still doesn’t like to celebrate his birthday and he still gets tears in his eyes whenever he talks about his twin brother that I have no sympathy for draft dodgers.
I’M TOTALLY WITH YOU MINNIE. MY DAD WAS DRAFTED, AND HE SERVED. SINCE HE IS AND WAS A DOCTOR, HE HAD TO EXAMINE DRAFTEES AT THE INDUCTION CENTER. HE TOLD ME ABOUT ALL THE PARENTS WHO OFFERED TO PAY HIM OFF TO MARK THEIR SONS AS INELIGIBLE, BUT HE’D NEVER TAKE IT OR DO THAT. EVERYONE WHO WAS DRAFTED HAD TO SERVE, UNLESS THEY WERE TRULY INELIGIBLE. NUGENT SAID HE’D SHOOT THE HIPPIES AND THAT’S WHY HE COULDN’T GO. WELL, I’M NO FAN OF HIPPIES, BUT I HAVE A HELL OF A LOT MORE RESPECT FOR THOSE OF THEM WHO SERVED THAN I EVER WILL FOR TED NUGENT. THERE WERE PLENTY OF HIPPIES WHO SERVED AND DIED, WHILE TED “ROCKED.”
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

Minnie Mouse on July 5, 2007 at 9:06 pm

feralcat9, Thank you, I guess. I happen to like the President. I didn’t agree with the amnesty thing, but when he leaves office he will be known as the first President to knock the snot out of islamofacists and if at least the democrats don’t have their way we’ll have Iran contained by our being firmly entrenched in Iraq and Afghanistan.
code7, if you’re still in touch with the guy you gave the laptop to you might suggest he reopen his claim. I’ve been involved with the VA system since ’81. Two major surgeries on my neck, dental and various other things all for free. The last operation on my neck they took out C6, replaced it with titanium and screwed 4, 5 and 7 to it. Bone 6 had slipped forward and was pinching the nerve. They put my head back up on top of my shoulders and it has been a daily improvement even though they did it in Dec ’04. They also discovered that I had a pre-existing condition that if they’d have known about it in ’67 they would have never drafted me. They awarded me 100% in Nov ’04, totally blindsided me. I didn’t know to ask but they made the award. I hear the horror stories that some report about the VA system but for me but for 26 years it’s worked. $26,000 a year for the rest of my life, more than I ever made in any of my 44 year work history.

John Cunningham on July 5, 2007 at 10:28 pm

John- The VA worked for my uncle on my mom’s side a Japanese POW and Korean War Vet. They eventually killed my dad’s brother with a botched ankle fusion, he went up one hill in New Guinea with a battalion and came done with three other guys and shattered ankle from a Japanese grenade. I talk to my friend all the time, I told him to get away from the Paki doc. He has so much metal in him he stays up all night because sleeping is impossible.
Minnie- Getting a draft deferment for having a kid makes me sick. No wonder the Marines at Camp Pendleton find Swedish opars to marry them, they get double the pay, off base housing and a car, the girl gets a greencard. Just a new take on an old sham.
I volunteered and there were plenty of family guys serving with me. My stepmother’s first husband went to Vietnam with five kids! Was MIA and the NSA knew he was dead the whole time but let her hang on for over a decade because they didn’t trust her enough to reveal how they knew. It’s easy to point fingers.
BTW, I remember one guy with three kids trying to claim he was gay, you couldn’t even get out claiming you were gay they had seen all the scams by then.

code7 on July 6, 2007 at 8:45 am

code 7. Sleeping problems are right down my alley. They used to give me trazadone. Knocked me right the fuck out, just what the doctor ordered. This was early ’90s. Thank God, I can sleep for 6 to 8 hours non-stop. But, then, now don’t tell anyone this because you’ll see it’s a little embarrassing. It really knocked me out. How can I put this? I’d wake up wet, if you know what I mean. They checked me out, nothing physical. They suggested depends. I felt like I was a 2 year old, again. Well, let’s tweak the dosage, turned it down to 50mg. But, that put me back to asleep for two and up for two. But, if I take another I might oversleep and be late for work. The other suggestion was stop drinking fluids around noon. Oh, stop. Leave me alone. Then I discovered melatonin. You can buy it at a health food store. Look into it and you’ll see how it works and it doesn’t leave you with that drugged feeling the first couple of hours after waking. The most I can get out of it is four hours uninterrupted but I wake up dry. I can live with that.

John Cunningham on July 6, 2007 at 9:56 am

John. This is starting to bring back memories of our card games a few years ago, the SF guy, two former 4th Inf. LRRPs, the puddle-pirates (kids but world class card sharks) and me. They were working the Lorizapam with two beers, the Seroquels, Trazadones, and Lithium, Ambien, Xanax, sometimes it ends up better just to stay up. One week off the coffee can help, too, or in my case too much right before bed. Nothing is better than flexible hours for work and an alternating work schedule if you are not too disabled like these guys.

code7 on July 6, 2007 at 7:37 pm

Code 7. ‘a few years ago’. Let’s keep it that way. We don’t do that anymore. Well, I refuse to give up the coffee.

John Cunningham on July 7, 2007 at 3:10 am

I am new here. I stumbled upon this in search of the truth. I recently read that Ted had cheated on his wife and did a search with those key words. I am reading these blogs and I am shocked by the negative propaganda being spewed out against Ted.
Truth – He has openly admitted that he was addicted to sex when he was younger.
I am not convinced that he ever did drugs and don’t think that anybody has any solid proof to slander him on that topic.
As far as recently cheating on his wife…Until recently, I had not heard about that and will not comment on something that I don’t know enough about.
I do know that he speaks his mind and currently stands for some pretty good things. Is he perfect? Are any of us? Does he like to hear himself talk? Of course, he is an entertainer. Does he want to be a good person? I think so.

Motor City Mike on August 13, 2007 at 4:32 pm

The problem with conservatives is that they mix a drooling fan-boy level of hero worship with a Bagdad Bob level of denial. Here’s what I mean by that.
It’s the image of a person or his or her archetype that is important to conservatives. As long as Nugent keeps playing with his guns and blathering about the 10 Commandments, you “rugged” conservatives swoon like 1990s teenage girls over Hanson.
Any evidence to the contrary – drug use (which he admitted to in the 70s but doesn’t now), banging women who aren’t his wife, crapping his pants to get out of the draft (I’ve never even heard a liberal going to such lengths to get out of serving, so, congrats to your side, I guess), banging underaged girls, etc. are met with your sticking fingers into your ears and screaming, “La-la-la-la-la I can’t hear you,” so you can hold on to the myth that somehow on your side are all these uber-men one step down from Jesus when they’ve sinned as much as and probably more than anyone else because they add on hypocrisy to their list, and if there’s one thing that did get Jesus really pissed, it was hypocrisy.
But go ahead – continue gushing over what a conservative, he-man Nugent is. Maybe when he’s signing autographs, he might write a message to you and dot his i’s with little hearts – just for you, cupcake.
I NEVER GUSHED OVER HIM. THAT’S WHY I WROTE THIS PIECE. I’M TIRED OF THOSE WHO DO.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

TlalocW on August 26, 2007 at 5:29 pm

Calling John Cunningham :
Guys like you are the very best. I was in VN as
a civilian and I am an Army veteran, but I never saw combat. So I have the highest regard for people like you. I was also struck by how accurate
your description of VN and Ted Kennedy / Reagan was. I used to teach history and read a lot. Your
account is spot on !!!!! However, in a later post
you imply more respect for FDR than he deserves.
I would encourage you to read a fairly new book
on FDR’s WWII policies ( Target : Patton ) by Robert Wilcox. It will change your point of view.
Again, thank you for your service !

Hawkins on January 19, 2009 at 10:50 pm

Code7
I agree with every thing you said about Kerry but as a wounded veteran I guess what made me kind of throw up in my mouth was your use of the term smart vet and that you can speak for the smart ones. It is in fact democrats that refused Fords pleas to fulfil our obligation with bombs and supplys that enslaved that nation and cost millions of lives in Cambodia. I have also been treated very well by vets of WW2 and Korea

Jack Hampton on August 24, 2009 at 8:41 am

Ive seen Ted in concert 4 times between 2000 and 2008. I used to be a big fan of his music and live shows and used to believe all the bs that he never used drugs and never went to the bathroom in his pants ect. ect. But the more I watched this guy the more I realized what a hypocrite he is. It’s not just his draft dodging that gets to me it’s everything he says and does. He talks about sexual immorality and then out of the blue we find out he had a kid out of wedlock when he cheated on his wife, and that he felt he shouldn’t have to pay child support like everyone else who does the same thing.

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