February 27, 2010, - 10:48 pm

Happy Purim! Fun & Most Politically Incorrect Holiday Ever (How Jewish U.S. Soldiers Celebrated)

By Debbie Schlussel

Tonight at sundown, the Jewish holiday of Purim began.  It’s one of my favorite Jewish holidays and lasts until tomorrow night.  “Purim” means “lots” or “lottery.” It’s the story of the Jewish people’s survival, when our absolute destruction was decreed by King Xerxes, after his evil advisor, Haman, got him to order it. And we’ve celebrated it ever since.

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Above is a Jewish Welfare Board greeting card which many Jewish American soldiers, fighting in World War I, sent home during Purim nearly a century ago. It’s from my personal collection of Jewish American U.S. military memorabilia. (And trust me, there were no Ramadan or Eid Al-Fitr cards coming home from World War I–there weren’t any Muslim soldiers fighting for the U.S. Armed Forces there. They simply don’t have the history of fighting for America from the very beginning that we do.)

Purim marks the victory of the Jews against the evil Persian advisor Haman and his decree to destroy the Jews. But more than that, it’s one of the most anti-feminist, politically incorrect holidays ever, even though a woman–Queen Esther–is the heroine. One of the villains, Zeresh–the wife of villain Haman, and one of the most annoying, whiny, henpecking wives in history–is also a woman. The Scroll of Esther, which we read tonight and, again, tomorrow, is full of her whining about her ambitions for her hubby, most of which are never realized. And then she’s hung on a tree along with her husband and her their ten sons. All of that is after drunken parties for men and a worldwide beauty contest. Here’s the story:

King Xerxes (the king in “300“) gets rid of his queen, Vashti, (legend has it, he beheads her) because she refuses to go to his party and put herself on display for his male partiers. The king’s advisors tell him that if he doesn’t get rid of her, then all the other wives in the kingdom will disobey their husbands because the queen disobeyed hers. And who wants a feminist nation full of shrews? These men were ahead of their time on that one. To replace his deposed queen, Xerxes holds a beauty contest for his next queen from all the nations in his kingdom. Not exactly Betty Friedan/Gloria Steinem stuff. And, again, that’s part of why I like this politically incorrect story of Jewish survival.

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Purim Hamantashen Pastry, Queen Esther, Tomb of Mordechai/Esther

Purim takes place in ancient Persia, where King Xerxes was “king of the world,” with his kingdom spanning well over 127 nations, from India to Ethiopia. Ironically, we live a modern day Purim, as Iran–modern-day Persia–may now have the complete makings of nukes, and they are, once again as in ancient Persia, aimed at the Jews’ destruction.
It’s kind of a mix of St. Patrick’s Day and Halloween. St. Patrick’s day, because on the holiday of Purim, it’s a good deed to get so drunk you can’t tell the difference between the holiday’s villain, Haman, and one of its heroes, Mordechai (unless you are driving, etc.). Purim was the original Halloween, because kids on Purim dress up in costume, and because, as part of our observance of Purim, we deliver baskets of goodies to at least two of our friends and also to some poor people on the holiday.

The holiday has a party atmosphere, and as we read the Scroll of Esther (we’re supposed to hear it read two times on the holiday), which tells the story of the Jews’ survival against evil in ancient Persia, we make noises with noisemakers to drown out the name of Haman, the one who wanted to do us in. We’re commanded to have a giant feast on this holiday and it is custom to eat three-cornered, triangular pastries with filling, known as Hamantashen. They’re supposed to look like the pointy ears of the villain, Haman.

Here’s my Debbie’s Notes version of the Purim story, from a previous post on Purim:

King Xerxes I, in the 5th Century B.C., was King of Persia, though he ruled most of the world, as his kingdom consisted of 127 states and provinces. He had a beautiful wife, Vashti, who refused to show up to his big, boozed-up party with the Kingdom’s men. He wanted to show her off, but she didn’t want to leave her own party.

He was advised that he should get rid of her (some say she was beheaded), or else all of the wives throughout his kingdom would take it as an example not to obey their husbands. So, Xerxes gets rid of her and held a giant beauty pageant throughout his entire kingdom (the first Miss Universe pageant). Eventually, he chose the the beautiful, Jewish Esther as his queen. Esther hid her Judaism from the king and her uncle, Mordechai, once overheard a plot to kill the king, which he exposed. For that, he was honored by the King.

Haman, the king’s trusted advisor, hated Mordechai because he would not bow down to Haman (he would only bow down to G-d). Haman was henpecked by his ambitious wife, Zeresh, who was kind of like Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi. And he had ten sons who were equally pushy.

Soon, Mordechai found out that Haman wanted to annihilate the entire Jewish population of the world (and hang Mordechai), and he got King Xerxes to sign a decree ordering that. The Jews fasted and mourned over their impending destruction, and Mordechai beseeched Esther to appeal to the King to save the Jews.

One night, Esther approached the King (against protocol because only the King could summon the queen, not vice versa–and she could have been beheaded for this; it wasn’t exactly the days of Hillary Clinton wearing the pants). She invited him to a dinner, where she told him that she was Jewish and of the plans to annihilate her people. King Xerxes was angry when he learned of this and had Haman hung on the gallows prepared for Mordechai. He also agreed to try to stop this and arm the Jewish people so they could respond to the decree for their destruction and live.

The holiday is called Purim because Haman literally conducted a lottery to decide in which month to mass murder the Jews.

The Purim story is a central story of Jewish survival. While some uneducated Jews believe the Purim story is legend, not only is it very real and an important saga in Jewish history, but the tombs of Queen Esther and her uncle, Mordechai, are tourist sites marketed by the Ahmadinejad government in modern day Hamadan, Iran (pictured above; Esther is called “Khashayarsh,” there). Yup, gotta love those Iranians–they wanna kill us, but they continue to use our history to make a buck.

From Megillat Esther–the Scroll of Esther:

‘What shall we do unto the queen Vashti according to law, forasmuch as she hath not done the bidding of the king Ahasuerus by the chamberlains?’

And Memucan answered before the king and the princes: ‘Vashti the queen hath not done wrong to the king only, but also to all the princes, and to all the peoples, that are in all the provinces of the king Ahasuerus.

For this deed of the queen will come abroad unto all women, to make their husbands contemptible in their eyes, when it will be said: The king Ahasuerus commanded Vashti the queen to be brought in before him, but she came not.

And this day will the princesses of Persia and Media who have heard of the deed of the queen say the like unto all the king’s princes. So will there arise enough contempt and wrath.

If it please the king, let there go forth a royal commandment from him, and let it be written among the laws of the Persians and the Medes, that it be not altered, that Vashti come no more before king Ahasuerus, and that the king give her royal estate unto another that is better than she.

And when the king’s decree which he shall make shall be published throughout all his kingdom, great though it be, all the wives will give to their husbands honour, both to great and small.’

Then he held the beauty pageant:

After these things, when the wrath of king Ahasuerus was assuaged, he remembered Vashti, and what she had done, and what was decreed against her.

Then said the king’s servants that ministered unto him: ‘Let there be sought for the king young virgins fair to look on;

And let the king appoint officers in all the provinces of his kingdom, that they may gather together all the fair young virgins unto Shushan the castle, to the house of the women, unto the custody of Hegai the king’s chamberlain, keeper of the women; and let their ointments be given them;

And let the maiden that pleaseth the king be queen instead of Vashti.’ And the thing pleased the king; and he did so.

Read the Scroll of Esther in its entirety in English.

To my gentile readers, I hope this was informative for you. And to my Jewish readers, Happy Purim!

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61 Responses

Can’t imagine that you have not thought of this, (OK, maybe you have) but why not write a screen play focusing on Esther (Hadassah). I cannot believe a reviewer of movies does not have a screen play in their heart. Much like a print reporter wanting to write that great American novel.

The Torah (Bible) has been a tremendous source for movies. Always wondered why Ruth and Esther were ignored. They’ve got their own books.

Though I did not realize it was Xerxes, thought it Ahasuerus, though you did mention the name in your tags.

No matter, Purim Sameach. Do the whole Megillah.

S: It’s been done. There was the boring, lackluster, somewhat inaccurate “One Night With the King.” And there was the Hanna-Barbera animated version, which was terrific. DS

Steve on February 27, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Xerxes= Ahusuerus

    mk750 on February 28, 2010 at 4:02 am

Thank goodness for Esther!!!

Michael Smith on February 28, 2010 at 12:01 am

Happy Purim!

Esther is one of my most favorite persons in the Bible.

Steve, they made a movie “One Night With the King” based on Esther. Its good, but not great. I agree that Debbie would do a much better job at screenplay/directing a new and more original version which does not deviate from facts.

Anonymous Twit on February 28, 2010 at 12:15 am

I can’t believe more “Christians” don’t know this. Anyway, I just love you Jews. My Messiah is a Jew! Can I be a Jew too? I promise I will be more loyal than the ones that claim that heritage. I worship the G-d of Israel. And I mean it!

Avi on February 28, 2010 at 12:21 am

Esther is my wife’s favorite person. lol. And I thought Esther had been replicated in many movies. Am i wrong?

pat on February 28, 2010 at 12:28 am

My Messiah is a Jew! Can I be a Jew too?

Avi on February 28, 2010 at 12:21 am

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No more than the fact that Karl Marx was a Jew, and therefore you must be a communist.

Purim Sameach, Debbie, from Jerusalem, where Purim only begins tonight, Sunday evening, as was in Shushan.

Shy Guy on February 28, 2010 at 1:29 am

    That’s because Jerusalem is a walled city but for those of us in the provinces, e.g., Tiberias, it is today.

    mk750 on February 28, 2010 at 4:04 am

Tiberias is supposed to be both days, due to doubt whether it was a walled city from the time of Yehoshua or later.

Shy Guy on February 28, 2010 at 5:36 am

    Tiberias was founded by Herod the Great in honor of the Emperor Tiberias. You are thinking of Jerusalem itself. Check out Me’Am Loetz.

    mk750 on February 28, 2010 at 1:20 pm

is it true that Esther had to sleep with the bad guy from 300?

Noah David Simon on February 28, 2010 at 6:23 am

    Dear Mr. Simon: He was her husband.

    Miranda Rose Smith on February 28, 2010 at 7:58 am

Happy Purim, Debbie. But you miss a lot in your rendition of Purim – the story and what it reps, vis-a-vis Jews, women, etc. Vashti’s bloodline here was the big thing – she held herself above Achashveros b/c of her link to Nebudchanzzar. He was from Koresh – or dog – a nobody – giving HER orders. Her meanness was one of her main detractions. She went out of her way to make sure that she had Jewish handmaidens breaking Shabbos to serve her, for one.

Midrashim about Esther are many. It is a disservice to present this so shallow. Purim is thought to be the conclusion of the Exodus from Egypt story.

It is pretty amazing if you go beyond the version we give at shul to little kids, who can’t handle more than a basic storyline about sin, tshuvah, evil, Hashem’s greatness. It is an amazing study.

S: Thanks, but I called it the “Debbie’s Notes” version for a reason. Can’t repeat the whole Megillah on this site and all the great rabbis’ commentaries on it. Just the basics. I leave the rest to the publishers of Jewish books, b/c we just don’t have room for it all on this site. Thanks for adding your insights. DS

Sarah Leah Lawent on February 28, 2010 at 6:32 am

Also there is another side of Purim that is rarely talked about… and that is that Haman a descendent of Agag, King of Amalek… who could of been destroyed if King Saul weren’t such a woosie LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE. also it is of interest that Haman’s descendants became pious righteous Rabbis in Persia. so there is hope for our most evil enemy… (not to mention Rabbi Akiva grandson of Sicera)

http://www.njop.org/html/PurimHanging.html Amalek versus the Kingdom of Israel:
Samuel I, Chapter 15
Not long after the unified Kingdom of Israel was formed under the reign of King Saul, the king, at the direction of the prophet Samuel, gathered his troops to fulfill the Biblical commandment to wipe out Amalek. King Saul was a mighty warrior and was victorious over Amalek, virtually destroying the nation. But, “he took Agag, the king of Amalek alive…and Saul and the people had pity on Agag the king of Amalek,” and on the Amalekite flocks and cattle (Samuel I 15:8-9).By having mercy on Agag, Saul went against the specific directive of G-d, who was, needless to say, less than pleased.The prophet Samuel rose early the very next morning, came to Saul and informed him that G-d was angered by his taking Amalekite sheep and cattle for spoils and for not fulfilling the commandment to utterly destroy Amalek. After a brief and futile denial by Saul, the king admitted his transgression and Samuel ordered Agag brought to him. The prophet proceeded to kill the king of Amalek and concluded the matter. The damage, however, was already done. In that one night, our sages teach us, Agag had relations with a maidservant (or his wife) who later, gave birth to a son. Thus, over a thousand years later the Jews were faced with mortal danger from Haman the Agagite.It is interesting to note that just as Haman is a direct descendant of Agag, both Mordechai and Esther are descendants of Saul.

Noah David Simon on February 28, 2010 at 6:54 am

    Good point on “Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite.” That statement occurs five times in Ester so we get the point: “When God says to do something, we need to obey.”

    Charles Clever on February 28, 2010 at 3:19 pm

It is good to bring such things to the fore from time to time in order that they might no be forgotten. Also, Haman was a clasic example of megalomania and cupidity that could be found in political figures before and after him. Another example of this sort of person was King Ahab, even though their situations were quite different.

sorrow01 on February 28, 2010 at 7:01 am

I hope you’re all having a joyous Purim. Did anyone besides me get caught in the downpour in Bene Braq this morning?

Miranda Rose Smith on February 28, 2010 at 7:51 am

Downpour in Bnei Braq?? Here in Jerusalem we’ve finally got a beach!

Shy Guy on February 28, 2010 at 8:01 am

interesting… some say all of Haman’s children were hanged….
….but

descendants of Haman learnt the Torah in Benai Berak; descendants of Sisera taught children in Jerusalem; descendants of Sennacherib gave public expositions of the Torah.

http://www.comeandhear.com/gittin/gittin_57.html

I am confused here

Noah David Simon on February 28, 2010 at 8:17 am

    Grandchildren? ONly the 10 sons were hung unless everyone else got slaughtered in the general slaughter and not counted in the story.

    mk750 on February 28, 2010 at 1:22 pm

Thanks for your enlghtening and entertaining post. Happy Purim!

Mack Hall on February 28, 2010 at 9:03 am

Snooki was at a Purim party:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/28/glass-falls-on-snooki-chr_n_479760.html

Norman Blitzer on February 28, 2010 at 9:20 am

Purim fell on March 22 the year my mother was born. She loved the holiday so much that she celebrated her birthday on Purim, regardless of the date in the Gregorian Calendar.

Gerry on February 28, 2010 at 9:51 am

Remember Ester was forced to “marry” Ashervarosh which today the librul girly men and manly girls might call RAPE (actually many real ORthodox JEws call it that too) but that only makes the story even better for the woman haters I mean feminist haters. And Don’t Forget the redemption from BAbylon was a partial redemption. The Sheckina didn’t reside in the second Temple. Can’t imagine why. Die Amalek! Am Yisrael Chai!!!!

shm on February 28, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Dear shm: I believe that, under Jewish law, Esther was considered a rape victim, a girl who had been kidnapped and forced into the king’s harem, until she went to wait for Ahasuerus in the courtyard. By doing that, she ran the risk of being classified as a woman who had committed adultery.

    Miranda Rose Smith on February 28, 2010 at 11:13 am

      MIranda, she wasn’t kidnapped. Mordechai told her to submit, that Hashem has a plan. Furthermore, Ach loved her and made her queen. She didn’t have a choice not to go to the selection process but she wasn’t kidnapped.

      Y’all get a copy of Me’Am Loetz. It’s one of the finest commentaries, written for the average person to understand. It’s available on Amazon and is in about 50 volumes. Esther stands alone and is very readable.

      mk750 on February 28, 2010 at 1:27 pm

That is interesting although to be fair the way Jewish people celebrate the holiday today is not in a fitting way of what Mordechai and Esther stood for. They want to get drunk and dress up all which I think was just so he have a holiday like halloween. The way many Jewish people celebrate Purim (very much the religious) is exactly the whole reason why G-d decided to allow this to go on in the first place. And most religious Jews do celebrate like this is a victory for feminism. So thanks for what the story is really about about we don’t celebrate it the right way anyway.

adam on February 28, 2010 at 10:56 am

I had pancakes for breakfast today.

The Terrorist's Advocate on February 28, 2010 at 11:11 am

Thank God for the Greeks (God’s chosen people)for saving Western Civilization from the Persians. They were magnificent bastards at the “Battle of Salamis”, Battle of Marathon and others – yes the fucking magnificent Greeks who shaped Western Civilization – long live the Spartans

pitman on February 28, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Pitman, this will undoubtedly come as a shock but there is some good evidence that the Spartans were descended from the Jews, not greeks at all.

    mk750 on February 28, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    HAHAHA – nice try MK – who are the researchers….jews?? Don’t tell that to the Greeks….they’ve been known to live on their own heroic merits. May I recommend “Persian Fire” by Tom Holland.

    pitman on February 28, 2010 at 2:03 pm

That is interesting although to be fair the way Jewish people celebrate the holiday today is not in a fitting way of what Mordechai and Esther stood for. They want to get drunk and dress up all which I think was just so he have a holiday like halloween. The way many Jewish people celebrate Purim (very much the religious) is exactly the whole reason why G-d decided to allow this to go on in the first place. And most religious Jews do celebrate like this is a victory for feminism. So thanks for what the story is really about about we don’t celebrate it the right way anyway.

adam on February 28, 2010 at 10:56 am

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What a pity you have nothing better to do than to disparage the customs of your own people.

Those of us who are religious and get intoxicated in a certain way and dress up in costumes don’t do it to have a holiday like Halloween.

I suggest you do a little investigating into the source of these indeed very outwardly non-Jewish customs and how we turn them internally into holiness.

Shy Guy on February 28, 2010 at 12:45 pm

Well sorrry Shy Guy they are “CUSTOMS MADE BY RABBI’S” and have nothing to do with the story or Purim and in fact very much we are acting like the Persian’s rather then acting like Jews. Rabbi’s are not G-d’s and I have every right to question these “customs”.

You sound like another henpecked man to have the name Shy Guy and brag about it which just proves my point. That it was Orthodoxy Judaism has become. Henpecked men that will attack other Jewish men to make their wives happy because they have no talents or brains.

Rabbi’s that are a bunch of feminist, communist bums who have these little loser men like you that any man that questions anything they say they will label as “self hating” and will throw them out and do this of course to protect those women so they could just bow down to the Rabbi all the time.

What really is said I overall like the article. I just having had good experiences in the so called Religious world and bums like you of course rather then show compassion just want to beat up men even more. Beat them up when they are down and have reasons to question the Rabbi’s on RABBINIC CUSTOMS.

Actaully by the way Passover is even more Politically Incorrect as Pharoh only wanted to kill the boys and let the girls live. And G-d saved the first born Jewish males while the Egyptian first born males perished. I myself I am a first born male with a younger sister.

But give me a break and please stop your hatred. I questioned certain Rabbinic customs and to say I am just a hater when I overall think we should celebrate the holiday just shows you for the man you are.

But please Shy Guy. You’re name says it all. You are the henpecked man that would kill us all.

adam on February 28, 2010 at 1:18 pm

Well sorrry Shy Guy they are “CUSTOMS MADE BY RABBI’S” and have nothing to do with the story or Purim and in fact very much we are acting like the Persian’s rather then acting like Jews. Rabbi’s are not G-d’s and I have every right to question these “customs”.

adam on February 28, 2010 at 1:18 pm

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It was “Rabbis”, specifically the Anshei Knesset Hagedolah (the Men of the Great Assembly) in Jerusalem, who agreed to Mordechai and Esther’s arguments to make Purim a permanent holiday.

So perhaps you shouldn’t celebrate Purim at all, since the entire holiday and its laws are dictated by “Rabbis”.

You have more to learn than I thought.

You sound like another henpecked man to have the name Shy Guy and brag about it which just proves my point.

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Yeh. I look like Jerry Lewis in The Nutty Professor, with thick black glasses frames and an overbite you could pass a matzoh ball under it.

You constantly have to bring up relationships between men and women. You’ve done this over and over in your posts here and on your blog, when I last read it some time a year ago. Someone here has a relationship problem and – tahdah – it’s you!

That it was Orthodoxy Judaism has become. Henpecked men that will attack other Jewish men to make their wives happy because they have no talents or brains.

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Repeat same old tired rant, rinse and repeat.

Rabbi’s that are a bunch of feminist, communist bums who have these little loser men like you that any man that questions anything they say they will label as “self hating” and will throw them out and do this of course to protect those women so they could just bow down to the Rabbi all the time.

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If you’re such a crackerjack when you’re sober, it is indeed best that you don’t drink anything intoxicating, not on Purim, not ever.

What really is said I overall like the article. I just having had good experiences in the so called Religious world and bums like you of course rather then show compassion just want to beat up men even more. Beat them up when they are down and have reasons to question the Rabbi’s on RABBINIC CUSTOMS.

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I gave you an answer but you would have to open a book/webpage and learn something before you could argue the point further. Sorry I went over your head.

Shy Guy on February 28, 2010 at 1:41 pm

Her Hebrew name is “Hadassah.” Esther is her nom de plum among the Persians. Esther is the only one of two books in the Hebrew Bible in which G-d is NOT once mentioned by name and its the first in which the Jews come to represent all that is left of Israel after the Ten Tribes disappeared forever. The true miracle of the tale is the Jews survived. As long as a single Jew remains on the earth, there will be no end to Jewish history.

Happy Purim!

NormanF on February 28, 2010 at 2:03 pm

Happy Purim for those of faith, but please note that Haman’s decree fulfilled Daniel’s prediction, “To shatter the power of the Holy People.” Note, their power was lost until Mordecai’s decree” and is 3 1/2 millenniums from Eden’s restoration. See the Website http://revelado.org/thetimeoftheend.pdf

Daniel 12:7 “And I heard the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that [it shall be] for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these [things] shall be finished.”

Shalom

Charles Clever on February 28, 2010 at 3:12 pm

I know a lot more then you do Shy Guy. And you see everything as all or nothing. And I understand you would abuse first born men and do exactly what G-d did not do simply because some Rabbi told you to do this.

You would attack men and then blame them. You are the perfect religious Jewish male today because that is the way many of them are.

You should not celebrate Purim because you don’t see the forest from the tree’s and want to likely act like a drug stupid man which again to me it makes no sense that this is the way we should celebrate.

What the hell are you celebrating shy guy since you are the henpacked man that has no compassion for other men likely to make your wife or other women happy by attacking other men and you would like to do to me what haman did since Mordechia didn’t bow down to him. I am not going to bow down to Rabbi’s that is idol worship. The overall holiday of purim I understand some of the ways though it has been distorted I don’t agree with but you can’t see the forest from the tree’s and feel I should bow down to Rabbi’s and agree with them 100% or else I hate my own religion and am the enemy that why not just kill me then since I don’t think the Rabbi’s are 100% perfect as they are human beings like the rest of us and I try to use my brain unlike you who feels we should just worship Rabbi’s. This is my point. Many Jewish people on Purim act the way the Persian’s (getting drug and acting in a lewd manner) did and this is missing the whole point of the holiday if you are going to do this.

adam on February 28, 2010 at 3:19 pm

adam on February 28, 2010 at 3:19 pm

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Your post speaks for itself.

Shy Guy on February 28, 2010 at 3:41 pm

Happy Purim for those of faith, but please note that Haman’s decree fulfilled Daniel’s prediction, “To shatter the power of the Holy People.”

Charles Clever on February 28, 2010 at 3:12 pm

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Nope. The end of Daniel 12:7 says “all these things shall be finished.” This is referring to the same end of times which Deuteronomy 32:36-43 refers to.

See the Website http://revelado.org/thetimeoftheend.pdf

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Nope. No Jesus here or anywhere else in all of Tanach, except for general categorizations in Deuteronomy 13:1-7 and Deuteronomy 18:20-22.

Shy Guy on February 28, 2010 at 3:54 pm

A friend told me that I should watch “One Night With the King” because it was different. I said, “What? Does Haman win?”

One of the fun Purim stories: “Visiting With King Ahasuerus”
by Sholom Aleichem. Good stuff. Happy Purim, and may the enemies of Israel suffer Haman’s fate!

Douglas Q on February 28, 2010 at 4:16 pm

I will bless those that bless thee, and curse those that curse thee. Genesis 12:3

I celebrate Purim in spirit with you, Debbie, and I consider it not necessarily a victory for the Jews but rather G-D’s victory over both belief and unbelief. His Will was done … through Esther and Mordechai who listened and obeyed.

May all of the eternal enemies of Israel meet this fate 10x over.

Sheryl on February 28, 2010 at 7:23 pm

Hope you had a joyous purim

Jeff Dunetz on February 28, 2010 at 7:40 pm

Purim bassically celebrates genocide against Persians. your people our some of the biggest hypocrits on earth. You go on and on about what the Nazis did in world war two yet you celebrate genoice against others. Israel is now outlawling commemerating the Nakba. Zionist are the new Nazis.

Steve on February 28, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Re: Steve at 8:10 pm:

    Steve: “Purim bassically (sic) celebrates genocide against Persians. your people our some of the biggest hypocrits on earth.”

    No, Steve. Purim celebrates the Jewish people’s successfully defending ourselves against Haman’s attempted genocide against the Jewish people. You might try reading the book of Ester for details. Their is nothing hypocritical in our defending ourselves and killing off our would-be murders.

    Steve: “You go on and on about what the Nazis did in world war two yet you celebrate genoice against others. Israel is now outlawling commemerating the Nakba. Zionist are the new Nazis”

    What the Nazis did was basically–and regrettably–a more successful version of what Haman had tried to do to the Jewish people. Debbie and others are correct to condemn it. Also, had the Nazis prevailed, evil would have prevailed. Also, Israel is correct to outlaw Nakba, which means “disaster” and is referring to the Arab States’ failure to continue Hitler’s work in destroying Israel as a Jewish state. Which means that because Israel outlaws commerating the disaster of their failure to destroy Israel, that therefore, “Zionist are the new Nazis”, or in other words, good is the new evil and right is the new wrong.

    Please get a clue and WAKE UP!
    JeffE

    JeffE on February 28, 2010 at 9:40 pm

      Correction:
      My final sentence of the second paragraph of my 9:40 pm post should read as:

      “Which means that you [Steve] are saying that because Israel outlaws…”

      JeffE on February 28, 2010 at 9:48 pm

Shy Guy you know nothing of the torah and you would consider G-d to be someone that hated his own people as well. Have you ever read the later prophets when the prophets said that G-d hated Jewish sacrifices. Does G-d also hate his own religion. Do you know why Shy Guy? Because it was done with arrogance and thinking they were better then other Jews and they attacked other Jewish people at the drop of a hat. There were also false Jewish leaders at the time that said G-d would protect us because of the temple and they actually went after the true Jewish prophets who told the Jewish people to do repentance and stop oppressing their own people and using the temple to just to benefit themselves.

Shy Guy. According to you you shouldn’t even be here because Debbie herself has said she doesn’t want to live in a religious theocracy so she doesn’t want the Rabbi’s to rule over her either. So why don’t you criticize Debbie as well since she doesn’t want to live in a religious theocracy. MAybe she hates our faith too.

Shy Guy. Who do you even think you are that anyone who doesn’t worship Rabbi’s 100% of the time hates his own religion and you basically want to cut off from the Jewish people. Nothing in the torah says this. Only a handful of sins meet this criteria. This is how you celebrate Purim with this kind of hatred towards me because you don’t agree with me on certain things obviously. You should pick on Debbie too then since she doesn’t support a religious theocracy either.

You may have a wife and children but that doesn’t prove you right any more then Haman does who was married and had 10 male children. I know you want to get rid of Jewish men that don’t agree with you Shy Guy but you don’t know what you are talking about and the fact at the drop of a hat you want to claim that someone doesn’t like his own religion or customs shows that you don’t know what you are talking about because you can’t have a discussion. You’re way of having a discussion is to find anything that this person has said that means to you he isn’t 100% kosher in your view and claiming therefore he hates his own people and therefore has no relevance. Using this criteria I am sure I can do the same but I don’t use these Media Matter tactics of being a snitch and sitting there looking for something that makes that person 100% not kosher to you although I can do that as well as the Rabbi’s themselves don’t agree on many things. I wouldn’t be suprised if you are married and to make your wife happy you do this kind fo stuff find the slightest that another man does that you think isn’t proper and then claim well he hates his own people and isn’t even Jewish. Great way to celebrate Purim but you will have to answer to G-d one day for your disgusting behavior. Real men can have discussion Shyguy not use tactics like this of finding something you disagree with and then claim that person hates his oen religion. USing your logic G-d must hate Judaism as well since G-d did not look forward to our holidays and sacrifices because they were used in a way that G-d found inappropriate. So I think you should go after your own G-d too Shyguy.

adam on February 28, 2010 at 8:14 pm

Daniel has not yet been fulfilled. The time is not yet finished but it will be soon and no, I don’t believe it’s by Jesus. We have no idea who Messiah is or will be.
koshertorah.com Check out the essays on Armilus and Moshiach Ben Yosef (not the real one)

mk750 on February 28, 2010 at 10:04 pm

What happened to Esther after this story ended? This is one of my favorite stories of history and I would love to know more.

LifeInaShoe on March 1, 2010 at 9:23 am

    She gave birth to Darius ll who would actually be Jewish. He was the king who instructed that the Temple in Jerusalem be rebuilt. As for Achashverosh we don’t know. Maybe he reformed and converted. It’s irrelevant or it would be in the story. Also you have to understand this narrative took place over several years.

    Apparently, it was not a “bad” marriage. He loved her, made her queen with quite a bit of authority in her own right. Mordechai who was her cousin, not uncle, was Viceroy and he Ashashverosh gave Esther Haman’s estate which was enormous, possibly bigger than the king’s own. I don’t think she was so oppressed. Once the truth came out, she was allowed with the rest of the Jews to worship openly.

    mk750 on March 1, 2010 at 10:48 am

re: LifeInaShoe ‘s question-basically Ester spends the rest of her life either in a state of perpetual “sinning for the sake of Heaven” or in a perpetually state of being forced to submit to Ahashverous-(i.e. rape) She is never rescued from King Ahashrverous’s clutches.Also Ahashverous’s decree against women in general is never overturned or mitigated so any women in Shushan who does not ask “how high” when her husband says “jump” runs the risk of possible getting beheaded. Very politically incorrect. But keep in mind it’s only a partial redemption for the Jewish people as well.

shm on March 1, 2010 at 10:08 am

Somewhat choppy Jewish response from Adam but I too found it odd rabbis calling for private drunkenous to celebrate Purim.

Still, I am not a Jew, but a single act of drunkenous is a grave sin for a Catholic and immediately takes one outside of friendship with God.    

Adam touched on a theme that Christ Jesus, who liked to refer to himself as the Son of Man (somewhat tongue in cheek), also found fault with.  Putting rabbi’s directives for behaviour above the clear instruction of God.

For me, the New Testament comes alive in this little discussion. 

One man hears rabbis. Another man hears God. Interesting, for sure.  

Never Was An Arrow II on March 1, 2010 at 10:19 am

    NWAA ll, The business about getting drunk is a misinterpretation. It is false. Rav Ovadia Yosef who was Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel and is one of the great Torah scholars of the age says that drunkenness is an abomination. The correct intepretation of “inebriated” is to have just a bit more than you’re used to having so that you get drowsy. It does not mean getting high and losing dignity and self control.

    You are also wrong about Jesus’s statement on Rabbis. I am a Jew so I don’t accept him as “Christ,” Messiah but he actually told the Disciples, “Every thing they tell you to do, do.” You can get a Concordance and look it up. I don’t want to pollute your Catholic eyes by giving you a KJV reference.

    G-d speaks thru *some* rabbis even today but for sure the Ancient ones. So those you say “hear rabbis” are listening to false ones. Those who hear G-d are listening to those who were/are inspired, although not to the level of the Prophets.

    mk750 on March 1, 2010 at 10:56 am

NWAA ll, The business about getting drunk is a misinterpretation. It is false. Rav Ovadia Yosef who was Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel and is one of the great Torah scholars of the age says that drunkenness is an abomination. The correct intepretation of “inebriated” is to have just a bit more than you’re used to having so that you get drowsy. It does not mean getting high and losing dignity and self control.

mk750 on March 1, 2010 at 10:56 am

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I type this after a bottle+ of Merlot and concur. The rabbis did not say that one is obligated to get drunk (le’hishtaker). The word they used is “li’be’sumeh”, which doesn’t easily translate literally but is a mild form of drunkeness, defined by the rabbis as the point where you cannot discern between “blessed is Mordechai” and “cursed is Hamman”.

I’m actually a bit below (or perhaps above) the mark this year but that’s because I came into Purim very exhausted from other activities and limited my indulgence out of exhaustion. And I thank my correct English spelling at the moment to Firefox.

When we (my older boys included) are “drunk”, we sing praises to G-d and try to convey lessons from the Purim story or we cry in appeal for the final redemption. The “sages” were right. “Nichas Ya’yin, Yatxah Sohd”, they said. “When the wine enters, the secret/hidden comes out (of a person)”. I’m very proud of the “hidden” which comes out of my children during a festive Purim meal. If someone isn’t, well, there’s a whole year to correct oneself until the next Purim. It doesn’t take much. Tell me of any other nation who get drunk this way. I have yet to see it.

One man hears rabbis. Another man hears God.

Never Was An Arrow II on March 1, 2010 at 10:19 am

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Our sages heard G-d, 24×7. Your Jesus heard nothing but himself, assuming some factuality in what’s conveyed in the NT – and that’s a big assumption.

Shy Guy on March 1, 2010 at 12:49 pm

Heh. You can see my spelling mistakes in my Hebrew transliterations above. Firefox was of no help. :)

Shy Guy on March 1, 2010 at 12:51 pm

Debbie,

Just a quick note. Jews (in this case Jewish Texicans) were fighting for American principles in places that weren’t even America yet. The first traceable member of my family living in Texas was Moses Levinson. Arrived in Tulia Texas around 1806. Family lore has him fighting at the battle of San Jacinto in 1836 in Harris County (Houston). The decisive battle leading to Texas independence and saving us from a life of the poverty and benighted corruption that has descended on all of Mexico. All hail the Jewish Fighting Men!

Coleblue on March 1, 2010 at 2:07 pm

Thanks mk750 for sparing me the KJV and also the revamped version, the NKJV. Both err in sectarian slanting…

Also, you illuminated the issue of the drinking practice, nicely. Moderation and self-control still seem to the overseeing guidelines in respect of the tradition.     

Jesus said many things, mk.  I was thinking of Mark 7:1-13. 

Here, in one example, the Pharisees had nullified God’s fifth commandment by substituting one of their own directives. Jesus condemns their created assertion and noted they do many such things.

 Jesus’s paraphrased command, “Every thing they tell you to do, do.” was only valid until Jesus had lastly set up up an authoritative Church. 

This event transpired through the act of Jesus bestowing Peter with the keys.  After that the people were to take direction from the Church with it’s new powers to make disciples, to bind and loose, etc.

Shy Guy, you have this large construct in your mind filled from both valid and spurious resources that attempt to refute Jesus of Nazareth. Your latest kick seems to be to suggest that maybe Jesus didn’t even exist as a person in time, in place, and in history. 

Nice try. Internal NT evidence alone refutes this desperate grab. 

So ShyGuy this defensive, and expansive, mental construct you have built up in your mind moving like a huge, silent, death star against any claim of Jesus, or any follower, can only fail.  

Your rigidity, and this fragile construct will one day implode inwards.  

Jesus continues to be that rock some stumble over, and for others, the rock that falls on them.      

Jesus forces everyone to choose.

They either become more hostile or more accepting, upon repeated exposure.

There ain’t nothin’ in the middle.

Baby steps, Shy:      

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=USxv_e77tEE&client=mv-google

’nuff said.

Never Was An Arrow II on March 2, 2010 at 1:14 pm

Never Was An Arrow II on March 2, 2010 at 1:14 pm
I was thinking of Mark 7:1-13.

Here, in one example, the Pharisees had nullified God’s fifth commandment by substituting one of their own directives.

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Contemptible bullcrap. This coming from someone who back in Mark 3:33 sounded like your average vintage 60’s hippie. And nothing beats Luke 14:26:

“Anyone who comes to me without hating father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, yes and his own life too, cannot be my disciple.”

What hypocrisy! This jesus guy is the last person to preach filial respect to anyone!

Shy Guy, you have this large construct in your mind filled from both valid and spurious resources that attempt to refute Jesus of Nazareth. Your latest kick seems to be to suggest that maybe Jesus didn’t even exist as a person in time, in place, and in history.

Nice try. Internal NT evidence alone refutes this desperate grab.

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Because you say so? It makes no difference to me whether the character of Jesus was based on an actual figure or a figment of someone’s imagination.

So ShyGuy this defensive, and expansive, mental construct you have built up in your mind moving like a huge, silent, death star against any claim of Jesus, or any follower, can only fail.

Your rigidity, and this fragile construct will one day implode inwards.

Jesus continues to be that rock some stumble over, and for others, the rock that falls on them.

Jesus forces everyone to choose.

They either become more hostile or more accepting, upon repeated exposure.

There ain’t nothin’ in the middle.

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Nothing but the usual christian babble and rhetoric. Lakes of firem, here I come!

Baby steps, Shy:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=USxv_e77tEE&client=mv-google

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First, let me correct your YouTube link. You obviously meant to point to this:

In a Nutshell For Nance, JoAnne, Gary, Terry, Carrie, Ramjot and FrizzText

I like YouTube, too! However, rather than taking baby steps, you’ll have to be adult about these:

‘Jesus Was Not the Messiah’ Series

‘Did the disciples die for a lie?’ Series

And remember, “the truth will set you free”. My favorite NT verse.

’nuff said.

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We can continue, if you’d like.

Shy Guy on March 2, 2010 at 3:09 pm

The HIPPIES of the 60s exploited Jesus message of “love thy neighbour” to the exclusion of everything else, especially the hard sayings of Jesus.  

“Anyone who comes to me without hating father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, yes and his own life too, cannot be my disciple.”

Filial relationship condemnation?  You and the Protestants are always in danger of being victims of literalism.

HYPERBOLE is the literary device of extreme exaggeration that is often used to convey an important message.  Jesus uses it a lot.  

Jesus is stressing the need to place devotion to God above all things. But only for those who believe.  For those who want to get closer to God. Jesus doesn’t waste time, or energy, on those mired in themselves, or who put the created realm above the uncreated One.

Jesus is preparing people for eternity. 

The world only looks to the present.

Never Was An Arrow II on March 7, 2010 at 7:39 pm

After reading your description of Purim, I will be looking for it on my calendar. At times, I live for Political Incorectness, and your description really adds life to my day. Happy Purim everybody!

Josh. M on March 20, 2011 at 11:30 am

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