March 19, 2010, - 11:13 am

Muslim U.S. Census Power Grab: “You Ain’t White!”

By Debbie Schlussel

Back in December, I told you about Muslim whining that there is no “Arab” race category on the U.S. Census.  It’s funny how the same Muslim Arabs who always assert they are Semites like me in their silly semantic games are apparently not White and Caucasian like me.  While it’s true they are literally Semitic “brothers from another mother,” that mother (Hagar) wasn’t of a different race than the Biblical Sarah.

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And, of course, we know they’re White.  Their whine about the Census was just a ploy to get more tax dollars and affirmative action preferences (a good deal of both of which they’re already getting).  Since their whine didn’t force a category, they are trying a different ploy.  Muslim Arabs are telling fellow Muslim Arabs to write “Arab” on their Census forms and not check the Caucasian box, but check another race instead.  They’re sending out e-mails like the one below, with this silly slogan. . .

Check it Right, You Ain’t White!

They believe that this will force the Census to grant them a special box, so they can get their hands on more funding of their extremist activities.  Let’s home it doesn’t work.  But with the Obamaniks in charge, you never know.  As I also noted back in December, Christian Arabs don’t care about this.  They don’t have a problem identifying as White–as Caucasian–and most of them don’t even identify as Arabs because they feel Muslims are the Arabs, and the Christians are the civilized.

The more the Census is used for tax-funded power and money grabs and largesse, the more the baloney like this will continue.  We need to return to the simple Constitutionally-prescribed number count used only for apportionment of Congressional representation.  There should be only one question:

How many people (U.S. citizens only) live at this residence?

And that should be it. Wishful thinking in this day of big government and ethnic identity politics by open terrorism supporters.

Here is the full e-mail the Muslim Arab groups are sending:

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70 Responses

LOL, BozObama will give them what they wish because he delights in aiding USA commit suicide.

Give ‘em everything…and give them even more. Shame to all who have ruined this great country.

What a disgrace. This is what happens when a bunch of American dopes vote in the WORST POS ever to be elected President. He was not qualified and he’s a commie. Disgrazia!

Skunky on March 19, 2010 at 11:50 am

US Census has turned into another way for gvt to snoop. All it should be is a headcount. Those other questions are none of the gvt’s business.

jcm on March 19, 2010 at 11:51 am

“Let’s home it doesn’t work.”

You mean “Let’s HOPE it doesn’t work.”? Well, I home so! ;)

Bobby's Brain on March 19, 2010 at 11:56 am

I read that while we are all upset (including myself) about the new level of intrusiveness in the 2010 census, no one is taking note of what is NOT being asked. For the very first time, the status of people’s citizenship is not on the census. Since the census is used to determine representation in the house, illegal immigrants are counted as if they are citizens. This will add representatives to Congress from CA and TX, to name just two. IMO, this is far worse than the intrusive questions, yet there is little outrage over it.

LifeInaShoe on March 19, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    EXTREMELY important point, Life.

    skzion on March 19, 2010 at 3:35 pm

Welcome to the PC world of Islamo-pandering. The Arabs are the most pampered people on earth and they still have a list of grievances. Somehow, no one things THAT is wrong. And they are still allowed to remain in the 7th Century.

Go figure.

NormanF on March 19, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    What a moronic statement, most pampered people. I supposed they’re pampered in the West Bank and Gaza as well. The census is goofed for pandering to hispanics, latinos, latin americans and all the rest, while Algerian-Americans, (I hate hyphenating these, but to get the point across), Egyptian-Americans, Libyan-Americans, Jordanian-Americans, Nepalese-Americans are all considered “white.” How dumb is that?

    Or do you ‘things’ (sic) I’m wrong?

    Jiminy on March 19, 2010 at 12:49 pm

      Speaking of moronic, Jiminy, we have you to exemplify the word.

      The Arabs are indeed pampered because most produce little wealth but get special treatment for their miserable “civilization” and “religion” simply because a minority gain great wealth from technology they did not develop and could not operate based on land that they seized from the rightful owners.

      I imagine a world without Arabs. It is a much better world.

      skzion on March 19, 2010 at 3:40 pm

Will “white guilt” ever end?

Instead of racial demographics the allocation of resources should be shifted towards economic demographics.

The truth will set you free on March 19, 2010 at 12:33 pm

I think this is an excellent idea! It identifies who they are and where they live. Should make it easier for the FBI to find them. Ha.

Somebody should start that rumor among them.

Dick S. on March 19, 2010 at 12:52 pm

1. “Arab” is NOT a race.

2. I won’t answer any questions on the census other than total peeps in the houshold.

Note to Census takers…Don’t Call, Don’t come to my door.
Go away, Far away and stay away.

Sam Adams on March 19, 2010 at 12:54 pm

How do they count their extra wives?
Do they have to count their slaves too? or are they just property?

ender on March 19, 2010 at 12:59 pm

We are all brothers and Sisters from another mother. The only question is: Is your Mother Sarah, or Hagar? i.e. Are you a decedent of Ishmael or Issac? And…Who was chosen to inherit by birthright, the blessings of our Lord?

Who cares? on March 19, 2010 at 2:00 pm

What is it their business in the first place what race you are. You can’t even put down don’t wish to disclose.

To be fair I think the Jewish people should be Middle East or something. I don’t really think Jews are considered white although to lump all whites together is wrong too. The whole thing is screwed up. Most Jewish people do have very similar DNA. There is a small percent of converts but we are as much an ethnic group as any other group and if we weren’t then I think there is a legit issue to say that Israel isn’t ours because we are not the ancestor’s of the Hebrews. But every genetic study has shown that Jews do share DNA that suggest they clearly are the offspring of the original hebrews.

adam on March 19, 2010 at 2:03 pm

Why doesn’t the gov’t just give the census taking responsibilities over to CAIR in areas of large populations of muslims? That makes about as much sense as does this anti-American propoganda sent out by the gov’t.

I would also like to know what race has anything to do with the census. People use the arguement that this helps disadvantaged communities obtain taxpayer dollars. This sounds pretty racist to me, since they are using race as a basis for giving out our tax dollars.

Jarhead on March 19, 2010 at 3:31 pm

Frankly I’m tired of Muslins trying to change every society they enter. Most immigrating peoples try to assimilate but not the Muslims. I for one have had it and we need to call a Muslim a Muslim before the United States resembles France….or London

abobinmn on March 19, 2010 at 3:39 pm

Frankly I’m tired of Muslims trying to change every society they enter. Most immigrating peoples try to assimilate but not the Muslims. I for one have had it and we need to call a Muslim a Muslim before the United States resembles France….or London

abobinmn on March 19, 2010 at 3:39 pm

Hagar was a hamitic Egyptians, not a Semite

CJ on March 19, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Either way, Hagar did NOT get to pass the blessings & inheritance of the Lord (Birthright) onto her son as Sarah did.
    Why not? Was it not because Sarah was Free & Hagar was a servant?
    The Lord said only freemen & free-woman can pass on his inheritance, did he not?

    Who cares? on March 19, 2010 at 5:19 pm

I am an Arab American. I was born in the Middle East and came over as a child. I am also a Christian and a small government and social conservative. When I got the census I wrote in my race as Arabic. The reason I did this is when people hear my name is Mohammed (I converted to christianity as a teenager) no one thinks of me as white.
In fact I have had to use an alias on my resume to get jobs. I have been at my current job 5 years, my boss confided to me that he would not have called me in for an interview if I had put my given name on the Resume.
Every family was an immigrant family at one point and faced anger from those already established here…how soon we forget. This country is all about being great because we have diversity. Look at the countries that have none…Mexico, Norway, Russia. Those countries can never be what we are (the greatest country in the world) because they do not have our diversity.

Mohammed on March 19, 2010 at 3:46 pm

Jiminy:

Get real dude!

If those on the West Bank and Gaza cease fire there will be peace.

If Israel ceases fire…there will be no Israel.

If YOU content Israel should NOT be in either location, then the attacks during the various wars should not have happened.

You attack me and I fight you across borders into your territory and I win….you get to keep your land I must go back? Like I said get real.

Sam Adams on March 19, 2010 at 4:18 pm

I wrote there “human.” I don’t like to be boxed.

Jaroslav on March 19, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    More Human than Human, More Human than Human…Zombie

    Who cares? on March 19, 2010 at 5:38 pm

Mohammed: you’re trying to justify islamization of host countries by islam immigrants by comparing America’s “melting pot” paradigm: nice try, but no cigar. Yes, new arrivals were often hated and derided at first, but the American experiment worked precisely because previous immigrants assimilated to American culture, NOT by trying to change American culture to resemble their own.

DS_ROCKS! on March 19, 2010 at 4:39 pm

DS Rocks,
You missed the fact that I am convert to Christianity. No one is more anti-islam than I am. I hate the lies, violence and control of the islamofascists…try and keep up. Btw, the first generation of immigrants never assimilates. They stay with their old world traditions and basically stay in segregated societies. It’s the second generation that is born here, works all their life here and intermarry with people of other cultures that the real benefit is seen to America. I will try and give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this about more than simple racism or fear of the unknown.

Mohammed on March 19, 2010 at 4:58 pm

Since it was instituted at least 18 American Jews have received the Medal of Honor for their actions. ERic how many have you or your skinhead/aryan brothers won?

Roy on March 19, 2010 at 5:10 pm

it’s not arab it’s A…Rab

Chuck on March 19, 2010 at 5:11 pm

Wow! maybe every body that fills out the form should do what the a-rabs are doing but with your real heritage.
scratch it out…italian-polish russian german french ,whatever…if thats what they are gonna do every one should do it just in case it does become an issue with the govt.

A-Rabs on March 19, 2010 at 5:18 pm

If you see an Arab person and a white person, you will not say they are brothers and sisters. Debbie and everyone else here will say, OMG what does that Arab what!!?

You’re majority in America is dwindling and it’s pathetic how far you’ll go to keep you’re ratio in this country. I like how you’re calling Arabs extremists and your white brothers at the same time.
Arabs aren’t white, fact the facts.

Meda on March 19, 2010 at 5:29 pm

If you were half of a journalist you’d mention how the census paper also asks what type of Hispanic you are but of course you’d never say thing disrespectful about fellow Christians right?

Oh and nice job ripping Hannity a new one, Huffington Post loves ya. lol, how easy you hard rights turn on each other.

Meda on March 19, 2010 at 5:33 pm

I remember the census of years past. They asked questions like ‘is there a toilet that flushes?’…or how many adults have HS diplomas? ~this year it all seemed to center on race & ethnicity. God knows where we are headed in the next 10-years.

#1 Vato on March 19, 2010 at 5:41 pm

Arabs get affirmative action preferences? Really? So I’ve been missing out on the handouts for all these years?? Instead of trying to add more racial/ethnic boxes to the census, how about we just eliminate the ones that we already have.

Al on March 19, 2010 at 5:59 pm

Debbie,

The “semite” semantics are just that – conflating a linguistic term with ethnicity.

However, from a genetic standpoint you’re more closely related to Arabs than you are to Europeans. You’re descended from people in the Middle East, not the Caucasus Mountains. You’re no more “white” than Jesse Jackson. Actually, the reverend probably has more European genetic material than you do – few American blacks have no European ancestors. It’d be an interesting study to check genetic drift, but my guess is that even considering converts to Judaism, there was less genetic exchange between Jews and Gentiles in Europe than there was between whites and blacks in the antebellum South.

Numerous genetic studies show that Sephardi and Ashkenazi Jews share common ancestors and that they are more closely related to each other than either group is related to either Europeans or Arabs. Jews are, however, from the Middle East, that is clear. The group we are most closely related to are the Kurds.

Of course all of this is a side issue to the fact that the Census, continuing a tradition started when they were counting slaves, still has racial categories. I followed Mark Krikorian’s suggestion and put Other Race: American on my Census form.

Ronnie Schreiber on March 19, 2010 at 6:44 pm

In UK they call Indians from India and Pakistani and other East Asian Nations ASIANS- they don’t have a MID EAST category

the census form does have a category for Chinese Japanese Philipino, Korean, Indian and ADDS
:other Asian

seems to me Egypt is in AFRICA- but Muslims are too racist to admit they are Africans same continent MIXED with BLACKS
(BTW Hagar was Egyptian)

SO THEY ARE MIXED RACE AND there is also a category box for that

what I am uspet about is no category for MUSLIM
If we are going to live in a hyphenated USA allowing a 5th column to join into our lives freely then damn!, I want to know how many of them are here.
And I don’t want my country divided into categories by SKIN COLORS, that is what we have tried so hard to get rid of–(see Louisiana history- creoles octaroons quadroons etc)

If that is to be the case ARABS will fit in the “similar to a paper bag category” like Obama and other mixed race with light skin?
Then we can put peach and coffee and tar and caramel as descriptions? how stupid!
what color are HISPANICS? all colors! white to black
what should they put? is a blue eyed blonde Cuban or Argentine or Chilean in the same category as a light brown Mexican or a black Domininican? WHY? who cares – only commonality is language

the person who made the point about citizen or not, THANKS! IT IS a very good question NOT ASKED on the census-

Isahiah62 on March 19, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Hispanics have “some” similar culture, but what the Census misses is that some Hispanics are immigrants and some are not…Puerto Ricans have been part of the USA since 1898 and American citizens since 1917…We don’t care about immigration issues…as we have none! But then again, we are the only one’s with a possibility of a state, since Mexico is another country and so is Cuba…Puerto Rico is NOT!… we were first a Spanish colony…then an American territory…in PR your race does not determine your social class, your education does! … So I wonder, where is the question that asks you education level…I guess the ObamaManiacs would be distraught to see how many Puerto Ricans (from the island–not a 3rd generation Chicago schools product) have college degrees and advanced degrees from all over the world…So it is true, no two Hispanics are alike… and by the way… how are we supposed to decide our race?… According to American standards, one drop of black blood makes you Black…whereas in the Spanish world, one drop of white blood makes you WHITE!….go figure….

    100x35 for Sarah on March 20, 2010 at 4:50 am

and MOHAMMED as far as second genration goes MSULIMS immigrants are breaking this pattern
Most of the parents who fled here from ISLAM going fundamental (IRAN & Lebanon for example) people raised under the more secular or free type govts KNOW about Kahmeni-Hezzbo type living,were victims of it– most are grateful to USA – that they had a place to FLEE to- it is precisely the second generation that is joining JIHAD movements- UK USA and many more places via internet and wahabi teachings- they are fans of Osama and into gangs very anti society they live in and defy their parents who did embrace freedom and have no wish to destroy it

WHEN ISLAM and/or ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION SUCCEEDS in turning HERE into THERE where will everyone who loves freedom go? what place will be a sanctuary for US?

Isahiah62 on March 19, 2010 at 7:01 pm

I have to disagree on this one with Debbie, most Arab-Americans aren’t white/caucasian. Yes, Jews and Arabs are apparently descended from the same ancestor, Abraham, but Jews are descended from his wife Sarah and Arabs are descended from his mistress Hagar, who was an Egyptian; her son Ishmael also married an Egyptian, and so on. So Jews and Arabs having a single common ancestor (who was not an Arab) several thousand years ago isn’t exactly a close connection.

I would say that “Arab” probably should be its own racial group. It seems distinct enough (though obviously I wouldn’t support affirmative action or special benefits for that group or any other). On the other hand, modern-day Ashkenazi Jews are as white as Italians, Greeks, etc. – usually whiter than those groups, actually – and they can produce people with red hair and freckles. Arabs can’t, though, and they’re usually much, much darker than Italians/Portuguese/etc.

Dave on March 19, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Dave,
    I agree with you about Ashkenazi Jews and those are the majority in the Americas, even Latin America.
    Arabs can and do produce redheads. And don’t be too sure all of us Italians, especially the ones from the South and the ones descended from Sephardic jews are so white. My skin isn’t so dark but it’s totally beige with none of the coloration of “caucasians” and my hair and eyes are dark. My mother’s brother was totally NOrth African looking including skin color.

    mk750 on March 20, 2010 at 3:41 pm

I’m of Persian background and I always mark “caucasian” or “white” because that’s the correct category. Honestly, I’d like to see an end to the designations entirely but until then, I’ll tick the correct box.

What’s the point of Arabs marking something different? I see it as a way they are trying to perpetuate the whole victim and/or minority status in addition to once again setting themselves apart somehow. They don’t even want to integrate on the damn census.

chewchy on March 19, 2010 at 7:17 pm

@ Mohammed
“(I converted to Christianity as a teenager) no one thinks of me as white.”

How did you “convert” to Christianity? I ask because it sounds more along the lines of a Republican converting to a Democrat rather than a soul saving event, which this should be if you embrace the Christian beliefs.

Brian F on March 19, 2010 at 7:25 pm

I remember in college anthropology, the professor said: While there are many cultures in this world, there are only three races. Negro..White & Asian. I guess that isn’t good enough for some. If race isn’t an issue, then why is it an issue?

#1 Vato on March 19, 2010 at 7:54 pm

Indigenous peoples of the Levant, Mesopotamia, Persia, Kurdistan, Egypt, Maghreb, the Transcaucasus and Anatolia range from very swarthy to very fair…

Being at the crossroads of three continents, and given the tumultuous history of the region, there’s bound to be great phenotypic variety…

Furthermore, Arabs — who are indigenous to Arabia and are imperialist-colonialists in the Levant, Mesopotamia, Kurdistan, Egypt and Maghreb — have always described themselves as White in their own texts, and have displayed scorn and contempt for black Africans, whom they continue to enslave to this day; in fact, Muhammad, whom they are commanded to emulate in thought-word-and-deed in Qur’an 33:21 (i.e., to follow the Sunna [Sahih Ahadith et al], for Muhammad is al-insan al-kamil and uswa hasana) is described as a white man (who owned, traded, and abused black slaves).

“Narrated Anas bin Malik: While we were sitting with the Prophet in the mosque, a man came riding on a camel. He made his camel kneel down in the mosque, tied its foreleg and then said: “Who amongst you is Muhammad?”. At that time the Prophet was sitting amongst us (his companions) leaning on his arm. We replied, “THIS WHITE MAN RECLINING ON HIS ARM.””–Sahih Bukhari Volume 1 Book 3 Number 63

“Narrated Isma’il bin Abi Khalid: I heard Abii Juhaifa saying, “I saw the Prophet, and Al-Hasan bin ‘Ali resembled him.” I said to Abu- Juhaifa, “Describe him for me.” He said, “HE WAS WHITE and his beard was black with some white hair. He promised to give us 13 young she-camels, but he expired before we could get them.””–Sahih Bukhari Volume 4 Book 56 Number 744

“Abu Tufail reported: I saw Allah’s Messenger and there is one amongst the people of the earth who (are living at the present time and) had seen him except me. I said to him: How did you find him? He said: HE HAD AN ELEGANT WHITE COLOR, and he was of an average height.”–Sahih Muslim Book 30 Number 5778

“Jurairi reported: I said to Abu Tufail: Did you see Allah’s Messenger? He said: Yes, he had a white handsome face. Muslim b. Hajjaj said: Abu Tufail who died in 100 Hijra was the last of the Companions of Allah’s Messenger.”–Sahih Muslim Book 30 Number 5777

“ALLAH’S MESSENGER HAD A WHITE ELEGANT FACE”–Sahih Muslim Chapter 26

“These are the names of Muhammad’s male slaves: Yakan Abu Sharh, Aflah, ‘Ubayd, Dhakwan, Tahman, Mirwan, Hunayn, Sanad, Fadala Yamamin, Anjasha al-Hadi, Mad’am, Karkara, Abu Rafi’, Thawban, Ab Kabsha, Salih, Rabah, Yara Nubyan, Fadila, Waqid, Mabur, Abu Waqid, Kasam, Abu ‘Ayb, Abu Muwayhiba, Zayd Ibn Haritha, AND ALSO A BLACK SLAVE CALLED MAHRAN, WHO WAS RENAMED (BY MUHAMMAD) SAFINA (`SHIP’).”–Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya’s “Zad al-Ma’ad” part 1 p. 114-116

“The apostle of God and his companions went on a trip. (When) their belongings became too heavy for them to carry, Muhammad told me, `Spread your garment.’ They filled it with their belongings, then they put it on me. The apostle of God told me, `Carry (it), for you are a ship.’ Even if I was carrying the load of six or seven donkeys while we were on a journey, anyone who felt weak would throw his clothes or his shield or his sword on me so I would carry that, a heavy load. The prophet told me, `You are a ship.”‘–Ibn Qayyim, Pages 115-116; al-Hulya, Volume 1, Page 369, quoted from Ahmad 5:222

“Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah’s Apostle was on a journey and HE HAD A BLACK SLAVE CALLED ANJASHA, and he was driving the camels (very fast, and there were women riding on those camels). Allah’s Apostle said, “Waihaka (May Allah be merciful to you), O Anjasha! Drive slowly (the camels) with the glass vessels (women)!””–Sahih Bukhari Volume 8 Book 73 Number 182

“Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah: There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah’s Apostle on migration; he (the Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah’s Apostle said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man). “–Sahih Muslim Book 10 Number 3901

In fact, a canonical hadith displays Allah’s preference for light over dark skin, implying that dark-skinned peoples (“Negroes”) are hell-bound.

“Allah’s Messenger said: Allah created Adam when He had to create him and He struck his right shoulder and there emitted from it white offspring as if they were white ants. He struck his left shoulder and there emitted from it the black offspring as if they were charcoal. He then said (to those who had been emitted) from the right (shoulder): For Paradise and I do not mind. Then He said to those (who had been emitted) from his left shoulder: They are for hell and I do not mind. Transmitted by Ahmad.”–Jami at-Tirmidhi 38

“Abu Darda reported that the Holy Prophet said: Allah created Adam when he created him (sic). Then He stroke (sic) his right shoulder and took out a white race as if they were seeds, and He stroke (sic) his left shoulder and took out a black race as if they were coals. Then He said to those who were in his right side: Towards paradise and I don’t care. He said to those who were on his left shoulder: Towards Hell and I don’t care. – Ahmad”–Mishkat, v. iii, p. 117

Similar passages, relegating blacks to a state of slavery to al-Mu’minin [those with Imaan -- true faith in Islam] by Allah’s inviolable decree, abound in al-Tabari’s canonical History of Islam (al-Tabari at-Ta’rikh).

“Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African’s color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks.”–Tabari II:11

“Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham’s descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem’s, the latter would enslave them.”–Tabari II:21

Some fuqaha [jurists] have maintained that the punishment for calling Muhammad a black man should be death.

White-supremacy and disdain for blackness are rife in the writings of the men of Islam.

“Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun, said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed.””–Qadi ‘Iyad Musa al-Yahsubi, “Muhammad Messenger of Allah” (Ash-Shifa of Qadi ‘Iyad)

“Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, Sahnun’s companion, said that whoever says that the Prophet was black is killed. The Prophet was not black.”–Qadi ‘Iyad Musa al-Yahsubi, “Muhammad Messenger of Allah” (Ash-Shifa of Qadi ‘Iyad)

“The Negro nations are as a rule submissive to slavery because they have attributes that are quite similar to dumb animals.”–Ibn Khaldun, “Muqaddimah”

“When next you meet an Arab, you should ask what is the Arabic word for slave, you’ll discover that the words are the same “abeed.” Which is why, when an Arab looks at a black African, what he sees is a slave.”–Osama bin Laden

The following passage from a treatise on fiqh [jurisprudence] surrounding Jihad al-Talab wal-Ibtida’ (Offensive Jihad of Conquering) implies that Arabs considered themselves white.

“There is no inconvenience to kill white non-Arabs who have been taken prisoner”.–Ibn Abi Zayd Al_Qayrawani, La Risala ou Epitre sur les elements du dogme et de la loi de l’Islam selon le rite malikite, 8th ed. Translated from Arabic by Leon Bercher. Algiers: 1980, p. 163

Helen Thomas is white (in the Modern Progressive sense, as opposed to the Middle Eastern sense): http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/cerabino/media/helen.jpg

She’s pure Lebanese Maronite

David Alpay is white: http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2002_Ararat/2002_ararat_003.jpg

He’s Armenian

Bashar al-Assad is white (and vaguely resembles der Fuhrer):

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:QjvwSUHsP27N8M:http://jdlong.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/bashar_assad.jpg

He’s Arab

Rosie Malek-Yonan, an Assyrian Christian from Iran, is quite white: http://www.thesoapdispenser.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/57264548.jpg

And the Mufti of Jerusalem who collaborated with Hitler in the Shoah, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, was a white man with auburn hair and blue eyes who was deemed an Ehrenarien [Honorary Aryan] by the Nazis: http://sfcmac.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/grand_mufti_adolf_hitler_colorized.jpg

I don’t see why this Arab girl should not be considered white: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Palestinian_girl_in_Qalqiliya.jpg/220px-Palestinian_girl_in_Qalqiliya.jpg

And this Berber-Jewish concert pianist: http://graphics.musicme.com/wp/fr/3794/Helene_Grimaud_Roque-d_Antheron_2004.jpg

And this Yazidi Kurd (a very isolated, inbred group): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2563/4110289958_45ac295cc5.jpg

Philip_Daniel on March 19, 2010 at 8:57 pm

Brian F:

What on earth are you talking about? What on earth has Mohammed said to make you doubt his conversion? You doubt Mohammed’s conversion because you disagree with his views on U.S. history and society? What “Christian” beliefs do you accuse Mohammed of not adhering to? Are you a Christian? Do you actually go to church? Read your Bible? Have you ever so much as read a good (meaning NOT liberal) commentary on ANY book of the New Testament?

Debbie:

Sorry, but to be white – or Caucasian – you have to originate on THE OTHER SIDE of the Caucus mountains. Arabs ARE NOT Caucasian. As for Jews … the original Jews were near eastern. Father Abraham was from Ur, which is “a marshy land located in Southern Iraq and Kuwait.” So, the Shemites were no more Caucasian than the Egyptians were. Which is, of course, why Hadassah was able to pass herself off as ESTHER to the Persian Ahasuerus.

Now of course thanks to the various dispersions, some Jews look like you. But other Jews look Ethiopian, others look Indian (not Native American, but India) … ah you know this already. You are just playing games as usual … fast and loose as always. Of course, I am aware that some (not all but some) Jews have a lot invested in pretending as if Jews have ALWAYS looked, well, European. It appears that you are one of them. Well sorry, Debbie but you know perfectly well that the Old Testament wasn’t written in Yiddish.

Gerald on March 19, 2010 at 9:20 pm

Please read my post, Gerald.

Philip_Daniel on March 19, 2010 at 9:27 pm

Philip Daniel:

Well, Noah cursed Ham’s son Canaan (because of cultural reasons, he couldn’t curse Ham, because to curse your son was to curse yourself). But, going by Noah’s own direct words (which were binding) it was the descendants of Canaan who were cursed, not all of Ham’s descendants. Part of the curse? Shem shall dwell in Canaan’s tents. That meant that the descendants of Shem would dispossess the descendants of Canaan, and that the descendants of Canaan would serve those of Shem.

And Noah’s curse was fulfilled at the time of the Exodus, when Israel (descendants of Shem) wiped out most of the Canaanites and made the few that remained servants and vassals (i.e. the Gibeonites). So, that brought Noah’s curse on Canaan to fruition. Claims that the curse was not on Canaan but instead was on Ham – meaning all of his progeny – and that it was not fulfilled at the time of the Exodus are false, interpretations invented to justify racism against Africans, and also enslaving them. Not only Muslims are guilty of this. Christians, Mormons and Jews are as well. (Though Jews technically never enslaved Africans – Mormons didn’t either incidentally – the idea that the curse was on Ham and through him Africans, was not invented by Christians, Muslims and Mormons out of thin air.)

This link does a pretty good job of explaining it:

http://www.pbc.org/files/messages/3426/0330.html

Gerald on March 19, 2010 at 9:36 pm

Philip:

Please read mine, and also the link. Look, Barack Obama can call himself white if he wants to. (Seriously, he actually can legally claim to be white according to U.S. law, but that is another matter.) But to be white, or Caucasian, you have to be west of the Caucasus Mountains.

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/23/5923-004-7A08A3DC.gif

Iran is very close to the Caucacus Mountains, granted, which is why many Iranians are fair-skinned and could “pass.” However, Iranians ARE NOT classified as Arabs. The only reason why “white” and “Jew” are so strongly associated with each other is because of the dispersion. Make no mistake: the (Caucasian) Greeks and Romans had no problems identifying those of Jewish ancestry, and yes it was one of the reasons why Greeks and Romans thoroughly despised Jews.

Gerald on March 19, 2010 at 9:44 pm

Hey, I’m writing “American” on Question #9. so I guess these sleazoids can write “A-Rab”!

codekeyguy on March 19, 2010 at 10:19 pm

Brian F.
My father had to escape the middle east because he converted to christianity after reading the Bible. Even though I grew up in a very christian home, I was an atheist, mostly because I saw how it had divided my father from his family and thought if there was a God he would not allow this to happen. At the age of 18, I was confronted by a sermon of my brokenness and need of a savior and so gave my life to Christ. I could give a much much more detailed account, but that is the short version.
I am currently working on my master of divinty at seminary, btw.

GERALD. Thanks for having my back friend.

Isaiah, I am not sure where you get that info from. I grew up in Dearborn Michigan, which is probably the most Muslim city outside of the Middle East and of the many, many friends I have who are second generation Americans the majority are very moderate and muslim in name only, sort of like many catholics are catholic by birth more than by conviction.

Mohammed on March 19, 2010 at 11:27 pm

How about “swarthy” instead of “arab”? I’m swarthy and undoubtedly drowning in the semitic gene pool . . . melanin-rich complexion, profuse body-hair, unibrow, prominent nasal organ, etc. Hitler himself would’ve stuffed me into an Auschwitz-bound cattle car. And, no . . . Western Mediterranean types are not swarthy, because they can’t get the uber-hairy thing right.

Graty Slapchop on March 19, 2010 at 11:45 pm

I’m not sure what it is you’re trying to stir up here – we don’t need anything more stirred up buy the way – but if you have/had concerns about these things why didn’t you bring them up 4-5 years ago when we started a war to give arabs with purple fingers a chance to vote for other arabs down in Iraq?

dorsano on March 20, 2010 at 2:56 am

Gerald,
Gerald,

Mohammed hasn’t said anything other than he is a Christian convert. I don’t accuse Mohammed of being unorthodox because he hasn’t said anything pertaining to the Faith at all, you know, words like “Jesus Christ”, death, burial, resurrection (1 Cor. 15:1-4) just “I’m a Christian convert”. And because have read the Old and New Testament (continually), I understand we are “commanded” to “prove all things” (1 Thess. 5:21) and not swallow everything someone tells us (Rev. 2:2).

And by the way, I am a Independent Baptist, that’s about as fundamental as it gets in Christianity. ?

Brian F on March 20, 2010 at 7:13 am

Sorry about the typo’s, its early…

Brian F on March 20, 2010 at 7:14 am

Mohammed,

Many people today claim to be Christians. If you’re a Born Again believer then you should understand, as I would, why it is reasonable to be sure we are in the same faith. There are many cults and apostate branches of Christianity that claim to be “converts” but they’re not 1 John 4:2).

Brian F on March 20, 2010 at 7:35 am

My son has a Muslim friend in his 40′s, son asks him about going to the mosque, said he has to or catches flak from others, son asked what about the kids, he said he keeps his kids away from there, they don’t need to hear that stuff.

The kids on March 20, 2010 at 12:17 pm

My census form had no listing for “caucasian,” it only said “white.” White is a color, not an ethnicity. I put “other” and then wrote in “American.” Also, since there is no way to mark if one is of mixed race, then it seems those who consider themselves mixed get to “deem” themselves whatever they wish! Since apparently it’s all about how people perceive themselves and has no basis in actual genetics, then it’s all a joke anyway. I will be curious to see what the statistics say about how many people will mark themselves “American”s.

Lorione on March 20, 2010 at 1:18 pm

Debbie, Hagar was an Egyptian. She was a different race. If she wasn’t then we’d have to share this little bit of realestate but G-d promised it to the free woman not the bond woman. He did however promise Hagar she was also to be the mother of 12 nations. Interesting. Get our of the stupid movie theaters and read some Torah.

mk750 on March 20, 2010 at 3:34 pm

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