May 10, 2010, - 2:13 pm

We’ve Officially Lost: US Pediatrician Assoc Approves “Pin-Prick” Female Genital Mutilation

By Debbie Schlussel

We’ve officially lost the war against Islamic barbarism.  You probably didn’t notice because we don’t have the streets filled with “Chop-Chop Squares” a la Saudi Arabia.

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But don’t let your general vision crowd out the sub rosa nod and wink toward the disgusting disfigurement officially sanctioned by Muslims around the world . . . and now by the official association of America’s pediatricians, which has now given its own nod and wink toward  a “lesser” version of female genital mutilation.

Oh, and note the use of the words “Asian” and “African” as euphemisms for what it really means: Muslim

In a controversial change to a longstanding policy concerning the practice of female circumcision in some African and Asian cultures, the American Academy of Pediatrics is suggesting that American doctors be given permission to perform a ceremonial pinprick or “nick” on girls from these cultures if it would keep their families from sending them overseas for the full circumcision.

The academy’s committee on bioethics, in a policy statement last week, said some pediatricians had suggested that current federal law, which “makes criminal any nonmedical procedure performed on the genitals” of a girl in the United States, has had the unintended consequence of driving some families to take their daughters to other countries to undergo mutilation.

“It might be more effective if federal and state laws enabled pediatricians to reach out to families by offering a ritual nick as a possible compromise to avoid greater harm,” the group said.

But some opponents of female genital mutilation, or F.G.M., denounced the statement.

“I am sure the academy had only good intentions, but what their recommendation has done is only create confusion about whether F.G.M. is acceptable in any form, and it is the wrong step forward on how best to protect young women and girls,” said Representative Joseph Crowley, Democrat of New York, who recently introduced a bill to toughen federal law by making it a crime to take a girl overseas to be circumcised. “F.G.M. serves no medical purpose, and it is rightfully banned in the U.S.”

Georganne Chapin, executive director of an advocacy group called Intact America, said she was “astonished that a group of intelligent people did not see the utter slippery slope that we put physicians on” with the new policy statement. “How much blood will parents be satisfied with?”

She added: “There are countries in the world that allow wife beating, slavery and child abuse, but we don’t allow people to practice those customs in this country. We don’t let people have slavery a little bit because they’re going to do it anyway, or beat their wives a little bit because they’re going to do it anyway.”

Exactly. It’s as if we’re saying, well, some people will rape anyway, so let’s let them just “molest” instead of rape.

Nauseating.

Can’t wait to see how the doctors find a way to behead “just a little” rather than doing the whole thing. Ya know, because they’re going to do it anyway.

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The fine art of creeping into a civilized society.

We are sliding toward barbarianism. It’s frightening.

goldenmike4393 on May 10, 2010 at 2:33 pm

Where are the NOW gals? Every woman’s rights group in the world should be outraged!
This is mutilation and serves no medical purpose. This is wholesale EVIL.
I cetainly hope pressure is put on the AAP to rethink their position.

Evil thrives when good people do nothing.

ward on May 10, 2010 at 2:47 pm

I am not for F.G.M. in any way shape or form. However, I wonder why it’s ok to circumcise boys. It has been done legally in this country for either religious, medical (even if there is no real medical reason), or hygiene purposes. I repeat: I am 100% against F.G.M.

A: Hardly the same thing. FGM is done to keep women from enjoying sex. Circumcision of males is not done for that reason and is more likely to reduce AIDS and getting cancer in that area. DS

Abbey on May 10, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Abbey, also…it is written in scripture that all [believers] males must be circumcised before 8 days of age to CEMENT the Covenant that God made with Abraham. i.e so that your kid becomes one of his “chosen” children, regardless of whether your a Hebrew National or NOT, so that the child will be bound to do that which is good in the eyes of the Lord, in exchange for God’s protection/deliverance from evil…[Muslims}

    Who cares? on May 10, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Oh ok. Thanks for clearing that up. I was seeing it from a pain point of view as baby boys are not sedated or given any anesthetic when they are circumcized. Thank you for making the distinction, Debbie.

    Abbey on May 14, 2010 at 11:58 am

      Abbey,
      Local anesthesia is usually administered to the child prior to circumcision.
      All my best,
      Amy

      Amy D. Watts on May 19, 2010 at 4:40 am

Yes, the procedure itself validates the practice of F.M.G., and renders it legitimate in a regulated context.

Worry01 on May 10, 2010 at 2:57 pm

Yeah, it’s pretty disgusting. I understand what they were trying to do, but they failed miserably. And for what it’s worth, ward, every feminist blog I read is all over this.

hellcat on May 10, 2010 at 3:35 pm

Abbey: you’re right on. Routine male circucsion is barbaric and unjustified except for Jews who must do it for religious reasons. There are approximately 1000 botched circumsions in the US every year that leave the boys disfigured and impaired for life. If “infection” and “disease control” are the goal, then teaching the boys hygiene and the use of condoms when they’re adults is a much safer and sensible way to go.

DS_ROCKS! on May 10, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Hey DS rocks…It appears that there are over 1,000 Kids who drown in bathtubs, in USA every year. Are we going to ban bathing or bathtubs too? Someone can drown in less than 5 inches of water, are we going to ban water also?

    Who cares? on May 10, 2010 at 4:38 pm

It seems to me there is not enough here to form an opinion. As a Jewish male I was “ritually circumcised” and have no complaints. I oppose any legislation that would ban this Jewish practice.

My understanding, however, is that female circumcision, as practiced in Muslim countries, has a far greater impact on women than the male practice….essentially destroying female sexual pleasure and various other side-effects. As I understand it, the clitoris is removed.

To the extent Muslims in the US would be allowed a ceremonial “nick” that would not cause any long term damage or medical/sexual impairment, I don’t see the problem. I am not really familiar with why that practice is followed, but to the extent no real harm is done to the baby girl, it’s not the government’s business.

That is not to say I approve of, or condone, Islam in general. But until it’s illegal to be a Muslim in the US, so long as nobody is harmed then let them do what they want with regard to these kinds of rituals.

Jewish Marksman on May 10, 2010 at 4:10 pm

While I am opposed to all FGM, the reasoning here is to limit patient suffering. It assumes the parents are barbaric enough to do this and seeks to save the child from pain and possible permanent injury.

Until Islam is reformed; this policy is, however objectionable, more humane to the girls being molested. Aside from the damage to the genitalia, the chance for infection and secondary complications, the setting also allows a doctor to tell the child to scream prick his own finger and save the child all pain.

Once you assume the criminal act will occur, the only moral choice is mitigating the injury.

Gorp Reeb,ey on May 10, 2010 at 4:34 pm

Male circumcision was a commandment from God in Judaism- that makes it a faith issue. Moreover, I’ll cite you 2 reasons why the National Association Garrulous-Girlies (NAGG)a.k.a (NOW) ‘WON’T’ say diddly-squat about this procedure:

1) It’s not a Christian procedure.(They’d be all over that, if it were).

2) According to the (WHO), global estimates suggest that 30% of males are circumcised, of whom 68% are MUSLIM!!! They wouldn’t DARE say anything offensive against Islam- they don’t have the ‘balls’ to…pardon the pun.

Patrick on May 10, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    There are too many people in the US who are afraid of the Muslims, afraid of what the Muslims might think of us and our actions. Everyone treats them like the crazy uncle at the family reunion, never knowing when he’ll snap.

    Basically, there are too many cowards who are too afraid to stand against the barbaric Muslims in the US and abroad. Too many people that cater to the Muslims in the name of “diversity”.

    The decision by the American Pediatric Association should be a wake up call for all who love freedom, human decency and civilization! There should be real discourse in Washington on how to handle this growing threat to National Security, but there isn’t.

    Spyglass on May 10, 2010 at 5:01 pm

“A: Hardly the same thing. FGM is done to keep women from enjoying sex. Circumcision of males is not done for that reason and is more likely to reduce AIDS and getting cancer in that area. DS”

NO. Circumcision was introduced in the US to decrease sexual pleasure thinking it would prevent masturbation. It had nothing to do with health. Studies claiming circumcision has health benefits (cancer, HIV etc…) are very debatable and flawed. These alleged benefits don’t manifest in the real world. The rest of the world is just doing fine with their “diseased” penis flaps.

Most Americans are blind to the fact that what is routinely done to newborn boys here, whether for religious or dubious “health” reasons is no better than the FGM they vehemently rail against.

Pat on May 10, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    The only restrictions I remember as a child in the 30′s were these gigantic signs in the streets of Manhattan,NYC (where there was quite a mixture of people from all over eager to become US citizens and obey our laws) These ‘signs’ clearly stated that anyone caught spitting in the streets faced the possibility of jail and/or very high fines!!! This law helped eliminate many transferable diseases, one of which was tuberculosis (which has since returned with any number of ‘other’ filthy diseases (and other things like ‘bedbugs) brought in by filthy immigrants who have no regard for other’s lives and are equally ignorant of their own.

    The controls are in the wrong place…

    sgt on July 1, 2011 at 4:01 pm

The Academy of Pediatrics thinks it has rendered the practice harmless, but in fact they’ve made the practice “kosher”. There are enough Arab and Muslim doctors around they’ll have little problem finding one who will go far beyond the “pin prick” to satisfy traditional parents who want it “done right”. This decision is a major step backward for the welfare of these young girls.

And no, there is no comparison with male circumcision. DS_ROCKS writes, “There are approximately 1000 botched circumsions in the US every year that leave the boys disfigured and impaired for life.” I guarantee you most of those weren’t done by a mohel. I know of Jewish physicians who could theoretically do the procedure themselves, but get a mohel to have it done right.

Debbie points to some of the evidence that the procedure is medically beneficial, and the WHO seems to agree. They found that circumcision helped reduce the spread of AIDS in Africa. As a result, WHO has been sending Israeli specialists to teach locals how to perform the procedure.

And apropos, a pediatrician years ago wrote to the Jewish Forward that he was starting to see genital disorders hitherto rare for Jewish boys. It seems their “progressive” Jewish parents had chosen not to have them circumcised. Anecdotal, yes, but consistent with what we’ve long suspected.

Raymond in DC on May 10, 2010 at 5:11 pm

Raymond, no, I’m not talking about Brises, those stats regard the “casual”, mindless circumcisions that take place in US hospitals on Gentile boys.

DS_ROCKS! on May 10, 2010 at 6:32 pm

Not all feminist websites are “all over this” in the way you would hope, check out this moron who defends it and then compares this heinous practice with Western Marriage tradition:

http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/im_anti_tradition_but/

“And it’s not like Western culture is so free of blatantly misogynist traditions, either. Part of me wishes that we had a two minute nicking at the doctor instead of the entire painfully misogynist wedding tradition that persists in the name of tradition. Everything from white gowns to bouquet tosses to the father “giving” the bride away—all about reducing women to objects that exist strictly to fuck and marry men, if not suggesting that we’re male property. But people hang onto it, because it’s tradition. And we applaud every nudge in the right direction, from refusing to be given away to keeping your name, instead of suggesting that anything but a marriage boycott for all is inadequate”

*puke*

mary on May 10, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    Mary – I do agree that that comparison was completely out of line. Even if you don’t agree with traditional western marriage (which to me is silly because ultimately marriage is an individual entity and can be defined however you and your spouse choose to define it, but anyway), to compare it to female genital mutilation is abhorrent and insulting to victims of the latter.

    HOWEVER – the rest of the author’s argument, and the discussion going on in the comments, is actually quite similar to the discussion we’re having here. The extremist bent is different, but they’re basically saying the same things: comparing it to male circumcision, discussing the pros/cons of this small compromise, etc. Seriously. I know you were probably so turned off by that last paragraph that you didn’t bother to read the comments, and I don’t blame you, but their discussion is ultimately not all that different from this one.

    hellcat on May 11, 2010 at 10:17 am

DS Rocks

As a Gentile I’m fine with my circ du soleil. But then I used to watch my grandma castrate lambs and calves so it could be a lot worse.

On a side note have you seen the movie “Hard Candy”?

Pinandpuller on May 10, 2010 at 11:48 pm

Male circumcision only has health benefits in undeveloped 3rd world nations, where soap and clean water are not readily available. The rate of AIDS and penile cancer (and cervical cancer among women who are intimate with uncircumcised men) are no higher among men with foreskins than without in America and Europe. Only in Africa and Asia Minor.

As for female genital mutilation, if parents send their daughters out of the country to have that procedure performed, they should be treated as if they had just sent them out of the country to work as prostitutes. Throw both parents in the slammer, and upon her return, the mutilated daughter should immediately be handed over to child protective services.

Daniel H on May 11, 2010 at 3:15 am

It’s a shame that any civilized nation would allow a girl or a boy to have their genitals altered in any way barring some rare form of active disease (say, gangrene or some flesh eating bacteria). The hypocrisy of this argument reeks of sexism, racism and classism. Sure, we allow our white, Jewish friends to perform any cultural or religious cutting ritual without question, but when the poor Muslims and little black kids from third world countries do it, tisk, tisk, they are soooo backward and shouldn’t be allowed to practice their cultural ritual!

Of course cutting and sewing up a little girl to prevent pleasure is “worse” than circumcising a boy but the end result is all the same – some unconsenting child just had part of his or her body cut and removed for no good reason other than it tickled the parents fancy to do so!

It either needs to be a universal “no, we don’t tolerate genital cutting regardless of your reason” or we need to be tolerant of ALL cultures, races and religions in their rituals. I don’t understand *why* Jews or Muslims do either form of cutting, but to allow one and not the other is nothing but discrimination.

Now pardon me, I’m going to go practice my religion which tells me to cut off the tongue and lower left leg of all my children. After all, my daughter will be better off – she won’t be able to run away from her husband, she’ll never have stinky tongue breath, she’ll never have any lower-left leg diseases and she won’t be able to back talk to her parents or spouse. Please don’t think me cruel – my culture and religion dictate this, so it’s all okay.

Peace!

Laura on May 11, 2010 at 4:01 am

Wow Laura…I guess this is what happens when one decides to post a comment at 4 in the morning. Maybe you are deliriously tired. Perhaps you have been up all night drinking? Lay off the booze and maybe YOU won’t have stinky tongue breath yourself.

Peace!

Angela04 on May 11, 2010 at 6:18 am

Lol Laura – I love it! No child, male or female deserves to have his/her anatomy irrevocably altered because of faith, culture or superstition. Not Jewish, Christian or Muslim.

My own adult son is eternally grateful for my stance, he is aghast at how many of his peers have been cut. My brother still has issues in his forties about having been done. I can only imagine how girls feel about having such an invasive procedure as FGM done. To pander to this mentality with any kind of ritual is not on.

Lee on May 11, 2010 at 9:21 am

What the hell? Can we get anymore PC in this country, that now we are endorsing this level of barbarism and cruelty? I am never surprised at the level of stupidity that comes from what should be intelligent, educated individuals. For what? So parent won’t go overseas and have this done to their innocent daughters? Why not hand them the rusty razor blade in the airport while you’re at it. Any endorsement of such an act is ridiculous and I CANNOT believe that ANY AMERICAN Dr. would perform such a procedure. When are we gonna get a clue? WHEN????????????????????

Musiccgirl on May 11, 2010 at 10:13 am

That picture is very disturbing!

CornCoLeo on May 11, 2010 at 11:00 am

What the heck is up with the “nick” terminology? A nick is something that is minor and heals back quickly. This is cutting off the sex pleasure nerve center. It is not the same as male circumcision–which BTW is more than a nick–but not the same thing at all. Islam warps everything that it finds in Judaism and replaces it.

A muslim is a muslim is a muslim. The entire religion is filled with such non-sense. That we tolerate this crap is an abomination. That picture is disturbing, but if you check it out, you will see so many things that will blow your mind.

BB on May 11, 2010 at 11:32 am

Any “Doctor” who would do such a thing should be stripped of their Medical License and thrown in Jail.

Oh and guys this barbaric practice is not AT ALL similiar to circumcision. It would be more akin to cutting your whole umm off !!!

What gets me is don’t the “Men” in these countries love their daughters ??? I don’t get it—I would kill someone for even thinking of doing such a thing to my girls. I just don’t understand.

jimmyPx on May 11, 2010 at 1:04 pm

I think they love them. They just see their role in life differently – girls’ salvation depends on their purity, and this is the only way to keep them pure? So they’re trying to save them or something.

The cultural mindset that leads to that is barbaric, but I doubt it’s as simple an issue as muslims not loving their daughters.

hellcat on May 11, 2010 at 2:04 pm

As someone board certified in pediatrics, I can tell you that I am not surprised at this level of progressive idiocy coming out of the AAP.
They are hard-core progressive loons.

but I am completely disgusted by this. Just another reason that I am not a dues paying member of the AAP.

BC on May 11, 2010 at 2:13 pm

It is horrible that our onetime land of the free is turning into a Muslim influenced hell hole. I am appalled that there are no liberals shouting from the rafters about this abusive act against girls and women. Of course liberals only protest against policies, principles and practices that would help mankind. Re: theronedwards.com

Ron Edwards on May 11, 2010 at 2:21 pm

What planet are these morons from in the American Academy of Pediatrics. Have they been totally infiltrated by Muslims?

This is shocking and any physician that does this procedure should be immediately arrested.
IMHO

ScottyDog on May 11, 2010 at 3:35 pm

The New York times was not accurate in portraying the views of the American Academy of Pediatrics. The AAP does not condone any type of FGM, even “nicking”. The American Academy of Pediatrics (note, not Pediatricians) is always about doing what is the best for all kids, regardless of any other consideration,I have supplied the key points on the AAP findings, but you can read it yourself at:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/125/5/1088?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=fgm&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT

Pediatrics 2010;125;1088-1093; originally published online Apr 26, 2010;

Committee on Bioethics
Ritual Genital Cutting of Female Minors
RECOMMENDATIONS
The American Academy of Pediatrics:
1. Opposes all forms of FGC that pose
risks of physical or psychological
harm.
2. Encourages its members to become
informed about FGC and its complications
and to be able to recognize
physical signs of FGC.
3. Recommends that its members actively
seek to dissuade families
from carrying out harmful forms of
FGC.
4. Recommends that its members provide
patients and their parents with
compassionate education about the
physicalharmsandpsychological risks
of FGC while remaining sensitive to the
cultural and religious reasons that motivate
parents to seek this procedure
for their daughters.

THE SPECIFIC COMMENT ON “PIN PRICK” IS AS FOLLOWS:

In some countries in
which FGC is common, some progress
toward eradication or amelioration
has been made by substituting ritual
“nicks” for more severe forms. In contrast,
there is also evidence that medicalizing
FGC can prolong the custom
among middle-class families (eg, in
Egypt). Many anti-FGC activists in the
West, including women from African
countries, strongly oppose any compromise
that would legitimize even the
most minimal procedure. There is
also some evidence (eg, in Scandinavia)
that a criminalization of the practice,
with the attendant risk of losing
custody of one’s children, is one of the
factors that led to abandonment of this
tradition among Somali immigrants.36
The World Health Organization and
other international health organizations
are silent on the pros and cons of
pricking or minor incisions. The option
of offering a “ritual nick” is currently
precluded by US federal law, which
makes criminal any nonmedical procedure
performed on the genitals of a
female minor.

Spyglass on May 11, 2010 at 4:16 pm

I am a muslim, I live in Johannesburg, South Africa. And I’m just as urbanised as you are. I’d like to state that the act of female circumcision is NOT an Islamic practice and there is no prevalence of it occuring here in South Africa at all, and I personally think it is barbaric.

The Quraan clearly encourages a married couple to fully enjoy a wholesome and satisfying sexual relationship. This contradicts with female circumcision which mutilates the clitoris. Sadly, Egypt is one of the countries where this procedure is performed on almost 80% of the female population (muslim or not).

Don’t go labelling all muslims as being crazy and extreme and irrational. It’s a cultural or geographical custom, not a religious norm.

Tasneem on May 11, 2010 at 6:24 pm

Tasneem,
your post makes the point quite well. Being a muslim means being a muslim (a societal barbarian that thinks that pedophile mohammed is the ideal man).

Out of one side of your mouth you say you think this is barbaric and muslim couples enjoy healthy sex lives–and out the other side you say we should look at Egypt which does this en masse to its women and understand it is regional cultural. Yeah those couples really share healthy sex lives!

Spoken like a true muslim!

BB on May 11, 2010 at 10:51 pm

One more fact–Egypt has the highest muslim population of any country and is over 90% muslim. So what was your point on this nicking? Who’s rnning Egypt, you muslim moron?

BB on May 11, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    BB – your first point makes no sense. Tasneem said that Muslims believe married couples should have satisfying sexual relationships, and then made a separate point that the issue of FGM is a cultural one based on what region you live in – and pointed out that 80% of Egyptian women experienced it “muslim or not.” Where was the contradiction in points? Or did you just get so excited that a Muslim would dare post on this site that you lost your mind briefly?

    hellcat on May 12, 2010 at 9:19 am

Can you imagine what type of person would take their baby girl to another country to have her genitals mutilated? Parents that do that should be prosecuted just like we prosecute others that travel to foreign countries to abuse children.

Angie on May 12, 2010 at 3:07 am

Says Angela04: Wow Laura…I guess this is what happens when one decides to post a comment at 4 in the morning. Maybe you are deliriously tired. Perhaps you have been up all night drinking? Lay off the booze and maybe YOU won’t have stinky tongue breath yourself.

Peace!

Angela04 on May 11, 2010 at 6:18 am: End spew

Replies the Cat: Wow angela04
I guess you’re what happens when an air head marxist attempts to be condescending and insulting against someone who has an actual understanding of whats insane about the marxist elements in a poor professional opinion regarding abused women.
And I guess you are the poster child for why the debauchery of liberalism is wrong, and having sex with farm animals is as culturally devastating as it is sickeningly perverted.
Late term abortion, in your case, would be most justified.
We really do have too many bimbo pigs amongst us as it is.
One, such as you,…being the overload.
Now, why don’t you go have yourself a nice big glass of STFU.
(note the lack of a question mark)

BadCat on May 12, 2010 at 8:34 am

Rather than making a comment, I suggest we all relate our negative opinions directly to the American Academy of Pediatrics, because of the urgency of correction. Multiple reasons for ending this practice exist.

Joseph S. Wisk on May 12, 2010 at 9:38 am

Diana West has a great column on this today. See it at:

http://www.dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/1391/Q-Whats-More-Dangerous-than-a-Bomb-in-Times-Square.aspx

Here are the last two paragraphs:

Oh, for a General Napier to make the simple case that we just don’t do that, that our culture doesn’t permit such misogynous brutality. As Mark Steyn recounted in “America Alone,” when Hindu leaders in India complained to Napier about the British ban on suttee, the Hindu custom on burning widows alive on their husbands’ funeral pyres, Napier is said to have replied:

You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will folllow ours.

I_AM_ME on May 12, 2010 at 10:04 am

    I like it. I’m using it from now on.

    hellcat on May 12, 2010 at 11:49 am

I’m not ready to throw the towel in yet and I have been fighting childhood circumcision for 6 years.Remember that the AAP is a union that serves it’s members interests and they are definitely interested in making money circumcising children and and can you imagine the profits to be made on a simple pinprick?Support Intact America and other intactivist orgs. and The MGM Bill and this madness will stop.

mp510mm on May 19, 2010 at 8:22 am

NEW news.The AAP decided the pin prick shouldn’t be allowed and The Royal Dutch Medical Association has called for a ban on Genital Mutilation.

mp510mm on June 9, 2010 at 3:18 am

The real problem here is that we are sitting on our hands while this garbage is allowed into our society. Yes it opens the door for more perversions. Female circumsion is about pain and control. They have gone so far as to sew the opening shut so a woman can’t urinate properly. See the story about the beautiful african woman who is a model in the UK and was mutilated this way. Male circumsion is not forced on anyone, they ask parents after the child is born, you have choice. It does have medical benefits too. Hardly comparable to this barbaric practice. If it disgusts you write the American Board of Pediatrics and say so. Stand up for what you believe in.

lechatboote on July 18, 2011 at 11:56 am

What happened to the Hypocratic Oath?? Do they not bother with that any more, seeing as it is not part of sharia or in the holey qurap??

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