June 7, 2010, - 5:53 pm

Who Was @ the Pro-Israel Rally . . . & Who Wasn’t: Palin’s Fiorina, Campbell, Issa’s Whitman Absent, Silent

By Debbie Schlussel

Yesterday, a pro-Israel rally, attended by thousands, was held in Los Angeles, outside the Israeli consulate.  What is interesting is who showed up . . . and who did not.

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Poizner & DeVore: Only These Candidates Were @ Pro-Israel Rally

Jon Voight spoke at the event (while he is very pro-Israel, his daughter Angie Voight  a/k/a Angelina Jolie is very anti-Israel and pan-Muslim.  But that’s the not important stuff.  What’s important–and notable–is which major California candidates for federal and statewide office were there . . . which ones were not.

There:  Chuck DeVore, the conservative choice for the Republican U.S. Senate nomination.

NOT thereSarah Palin’s candidate for U.S. Senate, the pro-amnesty, pro-Iran, friend of Jesse Jackson Carly Fiorina.

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You Betcha: Sarah’s Candidate Carly Fiorina, Friend of Jesse & Mahmoud, NOT @ Pro-Israel Rally

Also NOT there:  the recipient of idiotic David Frum’s ass-kissing, Tom Campbell, the liberal Republican candidate for U.S. Senate, who hates Israel and loves Islamic terrorists like Sami Al-Arian.

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David Frum’s & Sami Al-Arian’s Candidate Tom Campbell NOT @ Pro-Israel Rally

There:  Steve Poizner, the conservative choice for the Republican nomination for Governor.  Poizner, by the way, is against amnesty for illegal aliens, including Islamic terrorists who we know come over the Southern border into the U.S.

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Meg Whitman: Jihad Darrell’s, Hezbollah/Syria’s Candidate NOT @ Pro-Israel Rally

NOT there:  Meg Whitman, the liberal Republican candidate for California Governor, who supports amnesty for illegal aliens and is endorsed by Jihad Darrell a/k/a Hezbollah supporting Congressman-with-a-criminal-rap-sheet Darrell Issa.

Issa once played “taste-tester” to Yasser Arafat and gushed over Arafat’s “small hands” and “sense of humor” (the “sense of humor” during the height of homicide bombings on innocent Israelis, which he masterminded).  Issa is tight with Syria’s Assad family and the Saudis.  Memo to the Whitman witless:  the company she keeps tells us all we need to know.  And, like Whitman, Issa opposes Arizona’s immigration law being implemented in California for a reason:  he wants his Islamic terrorist buddies to have an opportunity to sneak in and then get citizenship.

We know who stands tough against Islamic terrorism, and it isn’t Sarah Palin’s candidate or David Frum’s candidate, or Jihad Darrell Issa’s candidate.

WAKE. THE. HECK. UP.  Actions speak louder than words.  Some people give lip service but didn’t attend because they don’t truly support the fight against Islam’s raping of the West.  Others were at the rally and participated because they stand on the right side and don’t care if it offends Muslim and Arab voters.

They are the ones who deserve your votes.  The ones who didn’t show up will NEVER show  up when it counts once they’re elected.

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Unfortunately, also at the rally:  kidnapped Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit’s father, Noam Shalit, who is Israel’s Cindy Sheehan.  He hangs out with Islamic terrorists and murderers and is, frankly, the one who deserves to be kidnapped by HAMAS in place of his son.  Sadly, the rally was organized by the leftist women of “StandWithUs,” which continues to embrace left-wingers and others who embrace Islamic terrorism and Israel-hatred.  If you can manage to separate yourself from StandWithUs, you’ll actually be standing with the right people.

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58 Responses

DeVore really cranked it up. MESSAGE TO CALI JEWS, VOTE 4 DEVORE!

Bob Porrazzo on June 7, 2010 at 6:06 pm

For that matter, why wasn’t Palin there wearing her little Israel flag pin and waving her little, cheesy, tourist flag or did she leave it behind in the Alaska Governor’s office? Oh wait! I forgot, she was too busy crying that her stupid horse lost the Belmont Stakes. Yep! Palinmessiah owns a race horse, just like all the rest of you “plain folks.”

mk750 on June 7, 2010 at 6:19 pm

Not sure what’s gonna happen with this election. They’ve already started all the annoying commercials and local news b.s. The local news had a story about the repub candidates. It basically said that the “moderates” are a better choice and interviewed 2 democrats who said they would “consider” voting for a “moderate” repub candidate — disgusting. I don’t know if a conservative can pull it off in the primaries. Whitman has spent 4x more on her marketing. Whitman has already mis-stepped when she scheduled a debate on a Sunday afternoon. Fiorina is being pushed as a “woman candidate” against Boxer. *sigh*

Jennifer on June 7, 2010 at 6:35 pm

Fiorina looks more and more like a vulcan….she is endemic to a new breed of ‘corporate America’ that is plenty corporate but not so ‘America’

Not Ovenready on June 7, 2010 at 7:02 pm

So, this is a Palin-bashing site, like HuffPo, TPM, & Media Matters for America? Wrong place for me. Goodbye.

CB: Ah, another blind Palinmessiah follower. Makes no difference that we, here, are 100% conservative and she’s 100% selfish and endorses pro-amnesty, pro-Iran friends of Jesse Jackson. That we don’t like this makes us “liberal? What the heck are you smoking (other than rancid Palin fumes)? You fall for personalities, not principles. Good riddance. People like you are the reason we had 8 years of that idiot Bush and will probably have 8 years of that Marxist Obama. Thanks but no thanks. What you want is a fan club for a woman who is using you and other gullible minions to make millions. This site ain’t for you. Buh-bye. DS

Carlton Barnes on June 7, 2010 at 7:02 pm

“kidnapped Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit’s father, Noam Shalit, who is Israel’s Cindy Sheehan. He hangs out with Islamic terrorists and murderers and is, frankly, the one who deserves to be kidnapped by HAMAS in place of his son.”

Debbie, although I thank you for passionately defending my country Israel (I am a patriotic American-Israeli), that above remark is absolutely despicable and you should be ashamed of yourself. Noam Shalit may be dovish but the end of his son’s plight, and the family’s anguish, is one goal that unites virtually 100% of Israel’s Jewish population. The nightmare of the Shalit family is universally shared by almost all of the nation (except from a portion of the Israeli Arab minority). No one wishes that nightmare on anyone else here. You owe an apology to Israelis and the Shalit family for that statement.

D: Sounds like you have Stockholm Syndrome. In fact, Noam Shalit is a traitor who gives aid and comfort to Islamic terrorists, and hung out with them at an Israeli hospital and took their side. Sorry, but if being a fool and a dhimmi and giving aid and comfort to Islamic mass murderers is your idea of what “unites 100% of Israel’s Jewish population,” then you might as well pack your things and hand it over to the Palestinians. You and Noam Shalit owe the apology, not me. Next, you’ll be telling me I owe Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton apologies. WAKE. UP. DS

dsch on June 7, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    All of us feel for Gilad Shalit. That doesn’t mean we have to we buy into his family’s Far Leftist and pro-Islamist views. One isn’t necessarily true of the other. Debbie’s right; if it had been his father in Hamas captivity, I would say he would have deserved it. There’s no point in shedding tears for someone who sympathizes with Israel’s enemies. I haven’t any to spare for Noam Shalit.

    NormanF on June 7, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Debbie, what do you expect from a guy, dsch, who refers to himself as an American-Israeli. I’ve said it here before, when we had the primary election in early 2009, I think it was before Hussein became Sheik in Chief, I realized I couldn’t sit on that fence so I am now simply an Israeli. Given America’s increasingly anti-Israel behavior, it is the only choice and if one wishes to not make it one is free to leave for that country which he places ahead of Israel, as in “American Israeli.” You, sir, dsch, are no Israeli.

    I have also stated many times a position regarding Noam and his charming [gag] wife that sounds just like Debbie’s. There’s plenty of this “unity” deception going around Jewish circles and it will lead to many of our brethren being deceived by the evil one who precedes the true Messiah (whomever that is).

    mk750 on June 8, 2010 at 2:40 am

Well, Fiorina, Campbell, Palin, etc. are primarily interested in themselves, and their political careers, whatever will help them win. None of these people have any ties to the Republican Party, much less to conservatism. The opportunism is apparent in Florida, where Crist was certain to lose the primary. He has become a de facto Democrat in order to win, and Bennett, a long-standing member of the Republican Party would have done the same thing if he thought he had had a chance. They’ll do the same thing in the Senate. Given the unpopularity of Israel among the elite, who they look to for guidance, their absences are not surprising.

Little Al on June 7, 2010 at 7:30 pm

What puzzles me is the fact that despite his pro-Muslim sympathies, Darrell Issa voted in favor of the House resolution to condemn the Goldstone Report back in October of last year. How odd that he should have voted this way. I would love to know what motivated him to actually do the right thing, for once.

C: He goes both ways (though mostly the wrong way), but admitted once in an interview that he was anti-Israel but once voted for Israel b/c he didn’t want to risk the wrath of what he called “the Jewish lobby.” Spoken like a true anti-Semite. DS

commonsense on June 7, 2010 at 7:55 pm

Sad to say, California Republicans will probably endorse Whitman and Fiorina. The state party is good as lost there – just like the state itself.

NormanF on June 7, 2010 at 8:05 pm

So we finally had our Million Jews March I hope it went well. Meg Whitman destroyed Ebay now wants to restore her resume by continuing the destruction of California which Arnolds doing just fine on his own.

THE LORD THOR on June 7, 2010 at 9:25 pm

Another excellent post, Debbie.

The following cannot be stated often enough between now and the Californai primaries:

Memo to Republican Californians:

Vote for those people who have stood with Israel.

For example, in the race for for the seat currently held by Barbara Boxer, either you vote for Chuck Devore, or have Barbara Boxer win relection. Your choice.

JeffE on June 7, 2010 at 9:28 pm

Hey gunDy, I’m against peace at this time. Please see Kohelet (Ecclesiastes) 3, specifically:

1. Everything has an appointed season, and there is a time for every matter under the heaven.
. . . . . . . . . . .
8. A time to love and a time to hate; a time for war and a time for peace.

Note that war comes before peace.

skzion on June 7, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    I agree with skzion on this and the Jewish soul deplores war, even when necessary to stop the advance of evil. Sometimes, peace which seems desirable is the evil, e.g. Chamberlain’s capitulation to you know who. Peace will come thru our promised Messiah but first we must go thru an awful war. Many will fall but those who endure til the end will see His Glory. (whomever “he” is)

    mk750 on June 8, 2010 at 2:47 am

Looks like our Bnei Amalek (e.g., mona) are finally here.

skzion on June 7, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Yep, sk, they are. Actually always have been but now their false messiah leader has revealed himself so they are likewise emboldened. With the passing of Rav Eliyahu,Z”L, yesterday, it won’t be long before we know who the true Messiah is because supposedly, he was not to pass until Messiah was amongst us. He was only 81 and that is not old by today’s standards. Get ready, things are going to get very interesting very soon.

    mk750 on June 8, 2010 at 2:51 am

Yes the rank and file GOP will vote for Queen Meg and Fiorina. Ahh the California GOP vowed never to vote for RINOs after Arnold. When the moment of truth was put upon the California GOP primary voters they drank the Kool Aid offered by Queen Meg and Fiorina. DeVore and Poizner are the obvious Conservatives and the GOP voters are star-struck again. Who cares about issues and integrity? The California GOPs will vote in liberals. Well if that is the answer for the GOP is liberals, then liberals I will vote in November. Yes, Boxer and Brown will get my vote.

CaliforniaScreaming on June 8, 2010 at 6:43 am

    Boxer and Brown are bad but the GOP liberals are far worse. Send the party the message in November.

    NormanF on June 8, 2010 at 9:07 am

dsch, I’m sorry you, who have been here so long and served well, still have divided loyalties. I am not proud of ANYTHING American. ANI ISRAELEET. As for the SOTUS (Sheik of the US) he may or may not be out by 2012 but it won’t be thru democratic elections. I personally believe we have a couple more years to go on that. Just a couple and he will have been named “Mahdi.” It’s not a personality contest, dsch, (interesting nic there) I don’t particularly like any of our current leaders here but this is my country which I love above any other and I focus on making IT better. America has loyal Americans to tend to her needs. The two, theirs and ours are diametrically opposed so you can’t be both. BTW, Your grandparents were from Eastern Europe most likely or Germany ( where Jews were more German than Jewish) given your sentiments for your Americanism over your Judaism. Mine were from Southern Italy and YES, Jewish. They did not label themselves “Italian-Americans” Or Jewish Americans. I had to learn Italian in school because they insisted on being just **Americans.** You are the perfect example of the American Jew living in Netanya, going to the Conservative shul and still calling yourself an “Anglo” after raising a whole generation of Israeli babies. We really don’t need you here beind destructive and critical but please leave the kids when you Yored to vote in the 2012 election if it happens. There’s still time to mold them into those B’nei Israel you speak of the soldiers becoming.

BTW, your comparison of the hyphenated American is faulty for the reasons I stated above in the comments about our ancestors. It was the bigots and racists who hyphenated them into, “Chinese-Americans” and others you mentioned. Most immigrants who landed on those shores, kissed the ground and called themselves AMERICANS, served in both World Wars some going to internment camps, Italians as well as Japanese and still considered it the best country in the World. It probably was…for goyim.

mk750 on June 8, 2010 at 8:06 am

To put a point on it, dsch, you need to stop standing with Noam and start rousing other Israelis to DO SOMETHING with your military background of which you claim to be proud. You’re being a Court Jew doesn’t help Gilad or the other young men who are at risk of kidnap for wearing that uniform. Not only are you a court Jew, you are one in the court of Haman, the court of the coming Mahdi.

mk750 on June 8, 2010 at 8:16 am

Stop hating what? We all saw the torrent of hate coming out of the Muslim World last week. I didn’t witness such vitriol pouring out of Israel. When you stop hating the Jews, Debbie will stop hating Islam. I doubt your side can ever make good on such a deal.

NormanF on June 8, 2010 at 9:10 am

No one has said Gilad Shalit doesn’t deserve to be rescued nor Yona Baumel’s son Zvi. My point was the evils of the parents don’t deserve to ever be visited upon the children. Its right there in Ezekiel.

NormanF on June 8, 2010 at 9:15 am

dsch,

Your feelings for the Shalit family are commendable but they are destructive to Israel.

Allowing for the release of prisoners for any cost including the lives of other Israelis by releasing known murderers and terrorists is nothing other than state suicide.

We feel for Shalit but we have no sympathy for those who support those that would destroy the Israelis. If you feel otherwise, that’s your prerogative but don’t let your noble but misplaced emotions hide the truth of the situation.

Facts Life on June 8, 2010 at 10:14 am

Whitman will win. She has bottomless cash drawer from her eBay billions. Already spent $70,000,000 of her own money.

DS_ROCKS! on June 8, 2010 at 11:06 am

Two questions. Not trying to offend, just curious.

1. Regarding Palin, what is the problem with being generally right of center but not being conservative on every single issue? Because not even Reagan was conservative on every single issue. (Check his record, especially when he was governor of California.) Palin is still more conservative than most Republican governors and senators. Fine, hold her feet to the fire on where she leaves conservative principles, but why not do the same for everybody else? It looks like Palin is being singled out, not only by you, but also by people at the Frum Forum.

2. When did becoming a stalwart promoter and defender of Israel’s interests become a litmus test for conservatism? Of course, anti-Semites and anti-Israel types should be exposed and opposed. But what of a person who views Israel as being just another ally among many? Let me pick another country for example … say Italy, South Korea or Taiwan. Would the failure to attend a pro-Taiwan or pro-South Korea rally be as big an issue in determining who is a “real conservative” as the failure to attend a pro-Israel rally? I would suppose that there are a lot of good right-leaning people out there who are uncomfortable with placing Zionism alongside other conservative bedrock principles like lower taxes, less spending, smaller government, strong defense, opposing abortion, supporting well-defended borders etc.

G: Actually, Sarah Palin is conservative on almost nothing, except abortion. That’s not good enough, since she’s anointed herself the queen conservative. She claims to be pro-Israel and wears that dumb Israeli flag pin. If she’s so pro-Israel, why is she endorsing anti-Israel friends of Jesse Jackson and Iran? If Israel is “just another ally,” then you really haven’t been paying attention. Sorry, but the rally was about fighting Islamic terrorism. If we have a right to do it, so does Israel. Republicans who claim to be against terrorism and tough in foreign policy are hypocrites if they don’t stand with Israel on the flotilla issue. DS

Gerald on June 8, 2010 at 11:17 am

Although not from California, it’s important to point out that Rep. Michelle Bachmann(R)traveled from Minnesota to speak on behalf of Israel’s right to defend itself at last Sunday’s rally in California. She’s no “Johnny come lately” on issues regarding the Jewish states right to self-defense.

Neil on June 8, 2010 at 11:49 am

Meg Whitman is a liberal Republican is totally true. Palin is a ding-bat who has exposed her ignorance on many an interview. Besides I hate self-proclaimed feminist, as she says she is. Hey you dumb replican liberals today, you used to be Republicans because the party was a defender of the traditional family (men, head of house hold). You hated feminist. Now you want to vote for one (Palin) because she is a woman and a feminist baracuda who has her husband following her. Are there any real conservative Republicans with real family values anymore?

bobbyhead on June 8, 2010 at 11:55 am

I’m finding this argument mostly between mk750 and dsch quite interesting. I think, though, that the question of Israeli or American identity is not the best way to frame the issue.

We get the first hint of a better way when dsch dismisses mk750 as being from Yitzhar (the usual transliteration) or some place “similar.” For those who did not understand the allusion, Yitzhar in Yosh is unusual in that its residents see themselves, by and large, as Jews, not Israelis. While there are plenty of Haredim in Eretz Israel who agree, these Jews are not Zionists in the sense that they have no interest in creating a Torah-compliant state. Such Haredim, I have always believed, focus on the minutia of ritual and fail in their love for the fellow Jew and their love for the Land.

Thus, what I think we see here is that dsch is actually closer to being a true Israeli than mk750. Lest I infuriate the latter, I immediately point out that mk750 is far closer to being a Jew than dsch, which also means that she is far, far away from being an American-Israeli. Note my implication: Jews residing in Eretz Israel are not the same as Halachically Jewish persons who consider themselves “Israeli” and who also live in Eretz Israel. These are different identities.

mk750, I expect you will disagree with my assessment. And yet, I suggest that you do not follow so closely the accepted “Israeli” rituals that dsch follows so diligently, which in turn points to a different identity. A typical Israeli would say of Noam Shalit exactly what dsch does. But a Jew would see in N. Shalit a typical appeaser and facilitator of the Bnei Amalek (Muslims). As such, N. Shalit deserves no kind wishes.

BTW, while I, personally, support the state of Israel as against the Bnei Amalek, this is because Israel is mostly populated by Halachic Jews, regardless of identity. However, the state of Israel (Medinat Israel) is so contemptuous of Jewish life (as shown in the pogroms at Gush Katif and Amona) and so willing to protect the Bnei Amalek (shown daily and mightily in allowing anything to pass into Gaza), that I am increasingly unsympathetic to the state, except insofar as it is better than a Muslim state taking over the same land.

May I suggest that it is appropriate to talk of a two-state solution: Medinat Israel and Medinat Yehudah, living side by side in peace? The “Israelis” and the “Jews” really do have different identities. Peres pointed this more than a decade ago–and he should know. Naturally, the Bnei Amalek are to be extirpated mainly by the “Jews,” who know what they are seeing.

Sorry for my long comment.

skzion on June 8, 2010 at 12:35 pm

leon/Mohammed: don’t you have some babies to kill?

skzion on June 8, 2010 at 12:37 pm

I already voted last week mailed my ballot in with DeVore and Poizner marked.

I did not vote for Arnold last time, I voted for Tom McClintock. I encourage conservatives to vote for the only true conservatives on the ballot DeVore and Poizner.

Meg and Carly are both Rockefeller CFR/Trilateral Commission elitists that want to turn America into North American Union.
Remember Carly was on the John McCain bandwagon and Meg is pro illegal alien too.

ScottyDog on June 8, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    ScottyDog, you got that right. I am tired of nutless Conservatives tell me that they want to vote for McClintock, DeVore or Poizner and then vote for Arnold, Queen Meg, and Ms.HP. The party is in shambles in California. There is Tea Party voice in California but the big money is for the Establishment fraudulent Corporate Voice.

    CaliforniaScreaming on June 9, 2010 at 2:32 am

Actually, Debbie is quite knowledgeable on the subject. Also, what exactly do you mean by “peace”? HAMAS has made it quite clear that it simply wishes to destroy the state of Israel. Iran has made the same staeements. So, what peace are you talking about, aside from the peace of the grave. In that case the Third Reich also wanted peace with the Jews, if you consider putting them into gas chambers and incinerating an act of peace. You do really need to use your head for something other than a paperweight.

Worry01 on June 8, 2010 at 1:49 pm

Yes, as long as you get one person back, it makes no difference how many others are endangered or actually killed. You would expect that level of narcisism in a sociopath, such as Ted Bundy. Special pleading and selfishness are not virtues, especially if such acts endanger others.

Worry01 on June 8, 2010 at 2:01 pm

Excellent article as usual Debbie, and to that poster Carlton Barnes, if you think this website is “Palin-bashing” then you my ignorant knee-jerk conservative friend is more moronic then ever. For starters, Debbie is exposing and telling the truth about Sarah Palin for NOT showing up at the pro-Israel rally the other day and the samething can be said for the other country-club-pleated-check-pants-&-pleated-check-skirts-Republicans who didn’t bother showing up at the rally. Carlton Barnes, the folks who showed up at the rally are against radical-islam, etc. why can’t you see that you putz?

And Debbie is right, your the types why we had that fool George W Bush (yes I voted for Bush twice, because it was the better of two-evils back then) for eight straight years, and godforbid if the moronic GOP runs Palin or someone like her, then it’ll be another four years of that Leninist-Marxist Obama, and you Palinitezombies don’t even see it. You Palinitezombies are no different than the Obamaitezombies who still til this day are supporting him and don’t see what exactly he’s doing to our country!

“A nation is identified by it’s borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on June 8, 2010 at 2:25 pm

PS, Debbie, did you know they had a “Bilderberg” meeting from last week through the first few days of this week? Debbie, I’m going to give you an email about that story so hopefully you can post it on this website, I hope your familiar with the Bilderberg Group Debbie?

“A nation is identified by it’s borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on June 8, 2010 at 2:29 pm

(Debbie, I see you apparently deleted dsch’s comment to my own and other comments of his as well. I wish you had not done so, as we rarely have the opportunity of exploring such an important theme here as “Israeli” versus “Jew.” It’s your blog of course, but this time, I happen to disagree with your “editorial” decision.)

dsch, let me clarify a point. I couldn’t agree more with your mention of Yitzhar. What distinguishes that place is that its members seem to have come closest to purging themselves of an “Israeli” identity. The Haredim (and here I speak in general) have not done so, as they accept the secular legitimacy of the state just as they would any other secular state. They are, as I understand it, still effectively in Galut. The Modern Orthodox seem, again in general, to believe that Medinat Israel is holy. So, I am not surprised that you will find plenty of people in Israel who consider themselves “Jews first” but who sympathize with N. Shalit.

However, my response is that “Jews” (as distinct from “Halachically Jewish Israelis”) who on balance sympathize with N. Shalit should reflect further. As I have no Israeli identity and am no leftist, I look at Eretz Israel and think “milhemet mitzvah.” My guess is that the Yitzharians think the same thing. Given then the need to remove the Bnei Amalek, the natural follow-up question is what to do with those who oppose this need and make common cause with the enemy? At most times, Jewish life is to be protected. But what does one do when a Halachic Jew undermines a milhemet mitzvah? May I suggest that one doesn’t wish such a Halachic Jew well, even though his son has been kidnapped, but rather condemns such a Jew because he refuses his duty to wage war?

Ultimately, the distinction between “Jew” and “Israeli” is sharper as an “ideal type” than in most living, breathing Halachically Jewish residents of Eretz Israel. However, the use of Yitzhar (as close to an ideal type as one can get) helps bring things into focus, or so I think.

skzion on June 8, 2010 at 3:04 pm

All right. If Sarah Palin is indeed a pro-life RINO who is bilking her supporters based on image and false pretenses, then that explains your stance against her.

As far as Israel goes … of course Israel has the right to defend itself! I was merely implying that this flotilla issue – which is exposing a lot of ugliness in a great many quarters but is otherwise a minor issue (the people who caused their own deaths by trying to run a military blockage notwithstanding) that will rather quickly blow over – need not have been required attendance for conservatives. The flotilla incident is not the equivalent of Hamas and Hizbullah raining rockets on Israel. All it did was give the Muslim world (including Turkey), the Pat Buchananites and the left another chance to Israel bash … something that has happened many times before and will happen many times again.

Gerald on June 8, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Actually, Gerald, the flotilla issue is not “minor.” Consider: an official member of NATO organizes and puts a flag on a jihadi flotilla in violation of all sorts of “laws of war.” Furthermore, there are rumblings that the next flotilla will be protected by Turkish war vessels. While that is probably just bluster, this flotilla business has become by now quite serious.

    skzion on June 8, 2010 at 3:20 pm

Debbie, I hope you got my email regarding towards the Bildberberg Group that had their meeting a week ago. Gerald, have you read that satire-novel “Main Street” written by Sinclair Lewis back in 1927? In that novel Lewis writes about people in small midwestern town being so naive, dull & gullible on what’s really going on around them, if you’ve read that novel you’ll put 2-@-2 together and connect the dots and see how naive people who support both Sarah Palin and Barack Obama are, they don’t exactly see what both these people stand for. Obama is doing a bad job on this country, a little worst than Bush, Palin on the other hand is being pretty selfish and being a Elmer Gantry and not being conservative enough, but don’t tell the Obamaitezombies & Palinitezombies all of that!

“A nation is identified by it’s borders, language & culture”

Sean R. on June 8, 2010 at 3:41 pm

I guess dsch has reverted to type.

“So please do the nation of Israel a huge favor and stop making believe that you’re advocating in our behalf. Stop the charade. You’re a defender of the country of Kach, perhaps, or Yizhar, but not Israel. Have a nice life, just leave the good citizens of Israel out of it.”

When someone throws around “Kach,” that means he is a leftist. A leftist, alas, is an anti-Jew, and as close to pure “Israeli” as one can get. Note, though, the important points that dsch highlights, by accident. Kach (in Israeleze, that means Rabbi Meir Kahane and followers) is not “Israel.” Yitzhar is not “Israel.” dsch is quite right. Both are in fact Jewish, not Israeli. dsch wants to give land to the killer Muslims because he knows that such land does not belong to him. Again, he is correct, as this land is Jewish, not Israeli. dsch comments about a “nation of Israel,” but not “a nation of Jews.” This is important.

dsch, I’ll let Debbie comment as she will (or not), but my dedication is to Jews, not Israelis. Insofar as they are in conflict, put me down for the Jews. This despite the fact that I am not observant. You see, the reason there needs to be a Medinat Yehudah is because Medinat Israel seems so intent on killing and expelling Jews. Now, I would not want to live in Medinat Yehudah, but it is important to separate the two peoples. I hope you have either enough Jewish spirit or enough commonsense to know that you are better off with Jews in Yesha than with Muslims. Many Israelis, however, do not agree.

skzion on June 8, 2010 at 4:16 pm

The Trilaterists, the Jeckyll Island crowd, the Bilderberg Group, the Bretton Woods treaty and all the fabian-socialists in the world- won’t do us in. You know what will? “EFFING PC,” that’s what!

I can’t believe Israel has to actually “record” video while DEFENDING itself, as they boarded the ship (trying to run a blockaid), with only PAINTBALL GUNS! And the world is outraged with Israel? What effing universe do these people live on?

Patrick on June 8, 2010 at 4:49 pm

On this day in 1967 Israel attacked the US Navy Ship the USS Liberty.

TheDarkKnight on June 8, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Boy, you sure got your talking points down, don’t you “Knight”?

    If this incident was a mistake, which is the consensus, you are simply a Jew-hater (either Muslim or Stormfront, but they are in cahoots anyway). If it was not a mistake, that means that the US ship was intervening in Israel’s just effort against the Bnei Amalek, in which case I say, good for Israel.

    Alas, nowadays, Israeli elites tend to be best buds with the Bnei Amalek. It is a great disgrace–which will be paid for, one way or another.

    skzion on June 8, 2010 at 10:04 pm

Gerald raises interesting points, as he usually does, although I do disagree with him.

Re Israel, it is true that there are other ‘outcast’ countries such as South Korea or Taiwan — I wouldn’t really put Italy in that category. But neither of these countries evinces the out and out hostility that Israel is subjected to. There aren’t countries trying to develop the nuclear bomb just to destroy Israel. Taiwan isn’t in that situation, South Korea, quite possibly yes, but that is somewhat of a litmus test to me also and when will you see an Israeli President of the UN General Assembly?

But look at the times Israel has been attacked and invaded, and the history of Jewish inhabitants of the current Israeli area prior to 1948, the constant subjection to riots, massacres, British oppression, hand-in-hand with the Arabs, the ’48 invasion, ’56, 67, ’73, and on and on and on. While Korea was attacked during WW II, of course there is also the Holocaust. It’s a constant drumbeat against Israel; now the flotilla, tomorrow something else.

Korea and Taiwan, although outcasts are not on the level of Israel, the constant drumbeat of UN investigations, slanders, conferences such as Durban, just set up to attack Israel and Judaism. So I think Israel is the most conspicuous small country under attack.

I was critical of the Bushes and Clinton, as well as Obama for their kowtowing to China, and also view Taiwan as a litmus test; I haven’t forgotten the failure to sell the Aegis destroyers to Taiwan either, and will acknowledge that Taiwan faces attack possibilities constantly, although not with the constant rockets, terrorists and homicide bombers that Israel faces.

But one thing that distinguishes Israel from S. Korea and Taiwan is that its enemies are the same Islamic terrorists that the US faces. While China and N. Korea collaborate with these terrorists, the threat of Islamic terrorists to Taiwan and S. Korea does not have the directness that it does for the US and Israel.

And of course Reagan had shortcomings. What distinguished him from Palin, Romney, etc. is that Reagan was willing to fight on SOME fronts. He fought against Communism and was in large part responsible for overthrowing it. He fought against unions more effectively than his counterparts for many years before and after. He also tried to construct a missile defense, something not done before or after.

Little Al on June 8, 2010 at 8:21 pm

TheDarkKnight,

The attack was as per LBJ’s request.

Facts Life on June 8, 2010 at 10:59 pm

Debbie, this protest was important, but even more important was SIOA’s anti-MEGA MOSQUE protest in NEW YORK. Why haven’t you covered it, more importantly, why weren’t you there. You were the first one to warn us of these troubles, and I’ve always had the highest regard for you for your bravery.

EG: Puh-leeze. That rally was held for one reason and one reason only – to shamelessly promote the car loan scam fraud artist Scamela Geller (who used Muslim straw buyers for her car loan fraud scam) and give her a forum to promote her upcoming book. There is no SIOA. There is only Promote Scamela Geller, which is what the purpose of SIOA is. The mosque will go up and will not be stopped unless they cannot raise the money. A waste of time, unless you are Scamela or her blind minions. I pursue things I can win. And, of course, I wouldn’t be invited, as this was put on by her to promote herself. Please wake up. Glad you like my work, but you must see the light on that fraudista. DS

Efraim Gold on June 8, 2010 at 11:25 pm

In my opinion Rabbi Kahane himself was a fraud and a left winger and went to the extreme right to overcompensate for the fact that he really was a leftist. He worked for the Jewish Press that supports easy divorce and raising children without fathers and to this day his wife has said nothing as well. I’m sure you know his wife works for the state as a libranian and considers that more important then anything else.

If you listen to his video’s as I have you see Rabbi Kahane has super faith in arab’s having children and none for Jews and he says we have to ban democracy because we will become the minority. Yes if you support easy divorce that is one of the pillar’s of socialism is to destroy the family which Kahane and his wife supported easy divorce.

The fact is that arab birth rates are not quite as high as originally thought. But if you don’t believe in protecting the family you can only live in a dictatorship if you don’t protect the family. Karl Marx and every socialist on the planet understands that.

I know this firsthand because I was involved with a group that worked for Rabbi Kahane and the evidence supports this JTF and certain things just made me scratch my head and didn’t seem right. I didn’t know he worked for the JEwish Press until this and I wondered if Kahane such a big mouth why when it came to the Jewish Press was he so silent and the issue of not trusting our own family life really made me think. I started to say a movement that doesn’t protect the family is not going to work to which I was called AN ABUSER AND A MUSLIM AND WAS CALLED TERRIBLE THINGS AND SHOULD BE PUT ON MEDICATIONS. This is pure communism that the Kahanist anyone who brings up any issue should is crazy.

Which is why I am tired of Debbie with thinking all Muslims are fanatics.

We have our own bunch of fanatics that would lock anybody up who doesn’t agree with them. They may not blow them up but they will make them die a slow death instead. That is better.

So please. I think Rabbi Kahane became a very vile disgusting man if Kahane represents the true torah he isn’t much better then Muslims as he wanted to lock up and call crazy and say they are ABUSIVE FOR disagreed with him and for someone on this board to claim they are an anti-Jew if they are against Kahane please. Give me a break.

On you tube people told me I must have been abused of my father and he must have raped me. ANd one person says I was a sexual offender. They are sexually twisted the Kahanist I guess in the opposite way muslims are. IN that they will beat up other men to make women happy and this violates the first story in the torah. If a man loves a woman that he will do things that G-d didn’t say that is not love based on a higher source but is nothing but lust. So Kahane was a vile lunitic who IMO Kahane was an anti-Jew. Since this came up I had to comment on it.

adam on June 9, 2010 at 12:28 am

    adam, you have problems. I was not focusing on R’ Kahane per se, just on what the word “Kach” meant when used by an “Israeli.”

    Having said that, I don’t blindly follow anyone. R’ Kahane was wrong about Muslim birth rates, granted. He quite rightly rejected attempts to refuse “gets” for frivolous reasons. He wrongly believed that “democracy” meant that one couldn’t expel the Muslims of Eretz Israel. Still, much that he contributed nobody else either saw or had the courage to express. He was also almost single-handedly responsible for freeing many Soviet Jews and for starting the JDL, an honorable organization in concept, even if it deteriorated after he left.

    You have become, alas, a dhimmi, and I have no patience with them.

    skzion on June 9, 2010 at 10:56 am

Obviously I meant: there ARE countries trying to develop the nuclear bomb just to destroy Israel.

Little Al on June 9, 2010 at 1:05 am

Aw Deb, you’re just upset at Pamela Gellar cause she’s more attractive than you.
MEEEEEOOOOOWWWWW!

LMAO on June 9, 2010 at 8:48 am

Video on everyone needs to support Israel in its fight against Islamic terrorism:

http://ronmossad.blogspot.com/2010/06/kinks-living-on-thin-line-israel-and.html

If they didn’t have Israel to attack all the time, what then…?

ronmossad on June 9, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Excellent video, ronmassad!

    I do want to make one comment. In the moment in the video where there’s a sign that says “The world must stop Israel”. Well, the person who made the sign missed a few words. The full sign should have read “The world must stop Israel from defending themselves against the Arab/Muslim aggression.”

    JeffE on June 9, 2010 at 6:49 pm

Debbie,
You do a great disservice to America and Israel and discredit yourself by attacking America’s and Israel’s staunchest supporters like Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, Brigitte Gabriel, Walid Shoebat, Frank Gaffney, Geert Wilders and indeed all people who are for Israel and The USA. You are an intelligent woman but I’m sorry to say that you have a problem. Why not seeking help?

David on June 9, 2010 at 1:30 pm

skzion wrote:>adam, you have problems

Sorry the only people who have problems are the Kahanist although most of his followers are unable to admit he was wrong about anything and I give you credit for at least admitting this.

But most of his followers aren’t this way. Regarding Soviet Jewry I would agree although he takes all the credit which I think Reagan being president had something to do with this.

He went around hating Thomas Jefferson Kahane and you know if he was free to protest Soviet Jewry he shouldn’t hate America.

The fact that your response to me IS I HAVE PROBLEMS then you yourself belong in one of this marxist countries. THat anyone who dislikes someone has problems.

I also know some men who were treated very badly by Kahane who just wanted to help and they were treated like dirt.

SOme of them by the way still agree with his idea’s even though they were treated like dirt.

Most religious Jews are unable to have honest discussion about anything. All they know how to do is call men that bring up some unpleasant facts as having problems. That is a pretty terrible religion if you ask me. This is no different then any other fundamentalist religion.

I stand by what I said. I don’t think in the end Kahane was a good man.

adam on June 9, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Adam, your English is so poor that I have great trouble in even understanding you. I am also, btw, not a “religious Jew” in the Israeli sense. Nor did R’ Kahane hate America.

    I’m kinda tired of this conversation, so I will sign off now.

    skzion on June 10, 2010 at 4:00 pm

Meg and Carla both won their primaries. Not a good situation. Two female RINO’s. NOt what we need.

adam on June 9, 2010 at 10:57 pm

I noticed ‘David’ put up some names of frauds whom he claimed to be pro-Israel – besides the Scamela & Slobbert twins, he brought up Brigitte Gabriel, which I recall Debbie writing was a “porn name” of one Hanan Tudor – and whom I recall Debbie documenting as a total gonif. And Frank Gaffney – I recall reading something about him ripping off one of Debbie’s works a couple years ago, plus promoting a certain M. Zuhdi Jasser. And Walid Dingbat – er, Shoebat . . . he too was exposed by Debbie as a fraud, a plagiarist and, in her words, a “serial harasser.”

ConcernedPatriot on November 18, 2010 at 2:04 pm

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