October 11, 2010, - 2:48 pm

The Dumb Israeli Loyalty Oath & Freezing Israeli “Settlements”

By Debbie Schlussel

Many readers have asked for my thoughts on the loyalty oath bill, which passed Israel’s Cabinet.  It requires Israel’s new citizens to pledge loyalty to a Jewish and democratic state. Outrage over and commentary about it are much ado about nothing.

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I don’t object to the oath, I just think it’s stupid, half-assed, and a symbolic move meant to assuage right-of-center Israeli Jews on more important issues on which the Israeli administration the wrong substantive position, like building homes on the so-called “West Bank,” including suburban Jerusalem (supporting a year-long freeze and leaning toward another one). The oath won’t accomplish a thing, other than more bad publicity on the world stage with little to show for it. I liken it to the many times that Israel went into Gaza, etc., and didn’t really mean it or finish the job. (Everybody else was gushing over it, but I knew better, and I was right because they left with HAMAS further empowered and more lost Israeli lives, plus Israeli soldier Gilad Schalit still in captivity.) It’s just costly window dressing. Useless.

America has a loyalty oath, too.  It’s called the Pledge of Allegiance.  And for new citizens, there is a different oath–to the U.S. Constitution.  But, like most Muslim citizens who take the oath here, the ones who take it in Israel will lie and won’t mean it.  So, why require it?  It’s irrelevant and useless, and the whole point of it provokes unnecessarily without achieving anything.  Few Muslims in Israel apply for citizenship.  As for those few Muslims, and some Christian Arabs (who mostly identify as Palestinians), who do become Israeli citizens, it’s not like they won’t lie.  They hate Israel and Israelis.  They’ll say whatever they have to say to get what they want.  The oath means nothing.

What the oath is really about is something more nefarious on Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s part:  a meaningless oath in exchange for a further moratorium on building Israeli so-called “settlements.”  For about the last  year, Jews were not allowed to build new homes and other buildings and infrastructure on their own land in much of suburban Jerusalem and the rest of the so-called “West Bank.”  What didn’t stop during this time was Palestinian building–most of it Muslim.  Now that this building freeze has ended, the Palestinians are insisting on it to continue the BS peace talks.  It’s ridiculous.  Imagine if we told Black people they were not allowed to build in land they owned in Detroit, while for the next year White people rushed to build everything under the sun.

So, now, because Netanyahu–under extreme U.S. pressure from the Obama administration–is considering continuing the moratorium against building, he and his minions have proposed this red herring loyalty oath as a sop, instead.  Who needs it?

What Israelis–including Jewish Israelis–need is not mere empty lip service to their country.  They need brave leaders who will allow them the basic rights of utilizing their property as they see fit and living wherever they want.  That’s the only thing terrorists, er . . . Palestinians understand.

And the only thing they respect.

The oath is a joke with bad PR consequences.  Nothing more.

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23 Responses

What do you think about FM Lieberman telling the Duh-namic Duo of European FM’s to solve their own problems before lecturing Israel?

Pavel Curtisov on October 11, 2010 at 3:55 pm

Absolutely correct. It is also astonishing how many Americans who would logically be expected to be supporters of Israel are confused over basic questions — e.g. they see nothing wrong with Iran’s getting the bomb.

While these people have to take responsibility for their inability to understand basic concepts, the Israeli leadership should still pose issues for them in the clearest possible form. As you said, the loyalty oath issue muddies the waters. For American supporters or potential supporters of Israel, it also creates memories of the McCarthyist (sic) period in American history. It will conjure up visions of loyalty oaths during the 50s in the minds of many Jewish Americans and create yet another diversion from the main issue of the U.S. Administration’s anti-semitism and browbeating of Israel re the West Bank.

Little Al on October 11, 2010 at 3:56 pm

What I find truly amazing is the hypocrisy of some in Israel. When Rabbi Meir Kahane HY”D Z”L suggested something similar the Israeli political leadership (including the so called “right wing”) tripped over themselves in the rush to see who could condemn him first.

I_AM_ME on October 11, 2010 at 4:42 pm

Miss Schlussel:

Arab Christians hate Israel?

Was that a typo?

Did I read it wrong?

How could any Christian hate Israel or Jews?

That doesn’t make any sense.

Thank you.

John Robert Mallernee
Armed Forces Retirement Home
Washington, D.C. 20011-8400

John Robert Mallernee on October 11, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    I meant to address this topic by writing your email but cant find it on your blog-
    Many Christians in Middle East live under ISLAma dn with MUSLIMS and share cultural attitudes about JEWS- not all! Some merly pretend to preserve their own lives – they are living under occupation by ISLMONAZIS- such as Lebanon- the ones who did not flee from them to USA- of course see the Hezzbo provoked war as Isarel aggression and Lebanon people PAID in BLOOD- they forget the same Hezzxbos were killing them and their leaders not long ago-
    please google “middle east christians jew hate”
    hundreds of pages to read and learn

    Isahiah62 on October 13, 2010 at 7:12 pm

Yup.

The only thing the Arabs will respect and understand is the Jews standing firm on their right to build anywhere they want in their homeland.

Jewish apologies and weakness doesn’t impress them – it only incurs their contempt. The Palestinians want the destruction of Israel and no amount of Israeli Jewish good will and no loyalty oath will divert them from that objective.

In short, there will be no peace in our lifetime.

NormanF on October 11, 2010 at 7:22 pm

[How could any Christian hate Israel or Jews?
John Robert Mallernee on October 11, 2010 at 4:45 pm]

Man, you need crash courses on world history and the New Testament.

Norman Blitzer on October 11, 2010 at 10:01 pm

Pavel writes, “What do you think about FM Lieberman telling the Duh-namic Duo of European FM’s to solve their own problems before lecturing Israel?”

Personally, I loved it. Europe, once the heart of Western civilization, has lost the script. They are no longer the political, economic or military powers they once were. Yet they insist they remain “relevant”. And what better way than to treat Israel like a vassal state, with Euro-trash like Moratinos and Kouchner ever ready to pass moral judgment.

Lieberman is one of the few Israeli politicos who presents the uncomfortable truth no one wants to hear. The reaction from these Euro-weenies was much like that Netanyahu provoked when, as PM, he tried to give Pres. Clinton and his team a lesson in the realities of the Middle East. After he left the room, Clinton reportedly remarked, “Who the hell does he think he is!” Bibi, of course, was right – not that it did him any good. Clinton and his team still treated him like crap.

Sec. Clinton, like some of her counterparts in Europe, would prefer not to deal with Lieberman; he tends to push back. They prefer to deal with Ehud Barak. Despite his history of failures and misjudgments, he’s a Labor stalwart, still a peacenik, and more amenable to US designs.

Raymond in DC on October 11, 2010 at 11:34 pm

Of course, “Bibi” is just another traitor – See “The Real Netanyahu Is he defending Israel?” at http://www.hirhome.com/israel/netanyahu_eng.htm

The one thing which would end this sickening charade which is laughably called a “peace” process, is mass exposure of a dirty little secret which the US/EU/UN/Israeli/Islamic Establishments are keeping from the Global public – the Nazi origins of the Palestinian Movement.
Thorough documentation for all this is available via “Understanding the Palestinian Movement” at http://www.hirhome.com/israel/pal_mov.htm
While it is certainly worthwhile to read all 4 parts, the most relevant here is part4 – “How did the ‘Palestinian movement’ emerge? The British sponsored it. Then the German Nazis, and the US.” at http://www.hirhome.com/israel/pal_mov4.htm

“The current leader of PLO/Fatah, Mahmoud Abbas, was trained by the Mufti of Jerusalem — Hajj Amin al Husseini, creator of PLO/Fatah — to continue the German Nazi Final Solution. Hajj Amin al Husseini was, with Adolf Eichmann, the top leader of the German Nazi Final Solution.

Mahmoud Abbas is the protégé of one of the greatest butchers of Jews in history.”

Now ask yourself why no Israeli politician has ever told you that……

Nigel on October 12, 2010 at 3:13 am

Hi Debbie

You state that Christians hate Israelis.
If Christians hate Jews, do Jews hate Christians?

This is actually something I always think about – the relationship between us (Christians) and Jews, and I also think about the relationships between European Christians and Arab Christians (Lebanese, Palestinian, Egyptian, Iraqi, Moroccan, Jordanian..etc) – as Arab Christians are closer to Christ then we are, as they have lived in or around the Holy Land of Christ’s birth.

Anyways….

Agreeing with that terrorists must be brought to justice and not tolerated at all (tolerance for terrorists comes back to bite you!), I wonder how your Jewish thoughts Debbie fit in with my Christian beliefs. As in:

You don’t tolerate terrorists – I agree 100%

You sometimes take very hateful attitudes against people (Moslems, criminals, blacks, immigrants) – whereas sometimes I agree with you when your rather truthful reporting makes my emotions boil, however afterwards I think about how my religion teaches me to love, to turn the other cheek, to seek to change my enemy into my friend through positive engagement and how we have been able to do that in many instances in Africa, the Middle East, Far East and South America.

So I wonder, wouldn’t the world be better if we didn’t hate as much as Jews hate Arabs and Arabs hate Jews, but rather loved each other in the Christian way? If you were to write about how Christians and Jews and Moslems engage each other in positive ways, and promote those instead of promoting the hatred that has afflicted the Jews and Arabs ever since Jerusalem became holy to both?

Chris on October 12, 2010 at 7:31 am

Dear Christians.
Firstly:
Jews don’t hate Arabs! If we did, we would throw them out of our LAND! TOO bad we don’t!
Secondly: The true Bible tells us to destroy and remove all enemies of the one true G-d of Israel, and to be strong. If we followed the Torah and not our weak hearts, we would survive.
Thirdly: Because Jews are the biggest Souls to receive and disperse G-d’s light, we HATE KILLING, RAPE and violence of any sort, thats why we are loosing our war against muslim evil.
LASTLY! Christians do kill and rape, and have persecuted the Jews since the pagen Romans mixed it with their religion and spread it all over the world. Christianity has nothing to do with whatever Jesus said (if he existed). If the stories are true, HE WAS A JEW, and said not to change one YUD of his Father’s word!
All good people should follow the LAWS of NOAH, given by G-d for every nation of the world. ITS only SEVEN LAWS, and the world would be at peace!

Suzanne Weinstein on October 12, 2010 at 8:37 am

For Debbie:
PLEASE move to ISRAEL and RUN for Prime Minister! You would do a better job!

Suzanne Weinstein on October 12, 2010 at 8:41 am

Here is where you and I part company, Debbie. There is an blatantly aggressive 5th column in this country – who make no secret of their agenda to delegitimize this country even from their seats in the Knesset. They even participate in the flotillas challenging the Israel navy. Appeasing them and tolerating their anti-Israel programs got us nowhere. They just became more aggressive enlisting every international institution to turn their backs on Israel. And they live among us.

This pledge of allegiance to the Jewish State of Israel will definitely change the climate here in this regard. Let them lie. Their citizenship can be revoked. Let them run to the courts to get the Ministry of Interior to issue them passports.
What happened to you Debbie? You have the facts but you miss the picture by a mile.

A: With all due respect, if you think an oath (which most Muslims and Arabs won’t take b/c they don’t apply for citizenship) will change anything–including the “climate”–in Israel, you are dreaming. Nothing happened to me. I’m a realist who insists on substantive policies, as usual, not symbolic, meaningless ones. DS

Arn on October 12, 2010 at 8:54 am

    You haven’t a clue, Debbie. You have all the right words but they extend from a very flawed premise. Your reference to “substantive policies” has only one meaning for Palestinians – that being Israel giving all of the West Bank (which was never Jordanian territory to begin with) giving up Lod, Acco, Jaffa, Nazerith, a good part of the Gallilee, and all claim to the Western Wall. The Arab/Muslim agenda is very clear with regard to Israel and it is totally unforgiving. “Substantive policies” as you would have it is a myth and more in line with Obama’s lexicon of buzzwords.

    Arn on October 12, 2010 at 11:04 am

Suzanne

You say that “Christians do kill and rape” – well let’s be fair and remember that the role of the Jews in the crucifixion of Christ. God sent His son to help guide, and although he only preached peace and love, he was crucified. And I think you can find that all people from all religion commit crimes, Christians, Jews and Moslems.

I don’t justify what crimes were committed in the name of Christianity, but we have to be careful that the hate of the Jews that helped kill the peace-preaching son of God must be pacified, we do not want any more crimes committed. Isn’t it enough that Moslems are blowing themselves up?

Chris on October 12, 2010 at 10:00 am

I dunno, Deb. It sure is fun watching all the leftists and anti-Semites getting their panties in a bunch over this law.

I certainly understand and agree with your point that this is a much lower priority than demanding the right for Jews to build homes in Israel (including Judea/Samaria). No question about that! The whole loyalty oath issue seems like a “booby prize” for failure of Israel to firm up their policy on home building.

But still! It sure is fun watching the Arabs and Commies get all worked up over this.

There is NO Santa Claus on October 12, 2010 at 10:40 am

Regarding the oath. Whilst it can be viewed as a positive step due to the fact that it attempts to forge a pro-Israel “culture”, it is a case of style over substance in my opinion.

Any person can mutter an oath, pretend to respect it and thus align themselves with the principles of the oath.

The Oath WILL NOT stop Islamic Jihad however, as the “culture” of Jew-hate is part of the very genesis of Islamic thought — just read that lovely ‘holy book’ called the Quran to understand this.

The left is already defining the oath as “prejudice”, “racist”, “Zionist and evil” — thus whatever Israel does regarding the oath is ultimately pointless.

Israel should stop trying to appease the evil of Islam. Oaths and other similar policies will not eradicate the Jihadist threat which is now over 1400 years old. The Jews in Israel have to stop apologising for being Jews and stop undermining their own security for the sake of satisfying the silly “peace talk” lobbyists who seek to delegitimize the Jews of Israel.

Regards,
Barry

Barry on October 12, 2010 at 12:55 pm

I agree with DS wholeheartedly that it is a bad move by the Israeli government to insist on naming Israel a “Jewish” state.
I also believe that in this day and age it is a mistake to continue the laws guarantying the automatic right of return exclusively to Jews, as both only help to promote the idea of Israel being an appartheid state by the rest of the world.
As Jews we would be appalled and furious if the US some day declared itself a Christian country.
I believe that Israel can survive with a dominant Jewish population without those restrictions on human rights.
Jews would still have a much bigger incentive to move to Israel for cultural, social and historical reasons than any other group (why would anyone else put up with the security risks involved and the mandatory 3 year army service followed by an additional 25 years of reserve duty).

RG on October 12, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    “I also believe that in this day and age it is a mistake to continue the laws guarantying the automatic right of return exclusively to Jews, as both only help to promote the idea of Israel being an appartheid state by the rest of the world.”

    To RG.

    Scared of your own shadow and still apologizing for being Jewish! Yuk. Grow a backbone kid, and learn something from Debbie. And before you fret about Israel’s image as an apartheid state learn how to spell the word.

    Arn on October 13, 2010 at 3:02 am

must agree 100% with DS- this is STUPID- the FEW Arabs who do love living in ISRAEL will be offended, those who only love to live there for the lifestyle and yet still hate the JEWISH STATE and ask for Arab one state with JEWISH dhimmis —-will LIE on the oath ANYWAY- they will NEVER be loyal to ISrael b/c of a paper they sign- and so for them it is exercise in humiliation as they will see it, will stir dissent and demonstrations and possibly a few bulldozed JEWS as revenge- and serves NOTHING of ISRAEL interests-
and WORSE- without DOUBT this is stupid, super BAD PR move- Israel is hated enough and libeled for racism- WHY give potent LOADED ammo for the narrative?
I am glad someone said KAHANE- the ONLY MAN with balls to say the right thing- get ARABS out of ISRAEL- they do not belong you Already been blamed and convicted for it and worse crimes without having done them- so why not?? to get a vote? a coalition? throw out the pro GAZA pro HAMAS — JEWS too- they re undemining your ability to survive-
and what did JEWS do on hearing KAHANE tell the future?? MAde him a criminal for saying it– made sure the enemy killed him!!ENABLED JIHAD—- TAKE BACK GAZA it’s ISRAEL- it is not 1967 anymore- FUCK the SAudi KIng and shove his plan- ALL OF JUDEA SAMARIA AND SINAI AND JORDAN is ISRAEL LAND OCCUPIED by MUSLIMS- TAKE IT BACK or threaten to NUKE IRAn- PLAY THEIR GAME by THEIR RULES- LOSINFG LOSING has not brought them to the table- LYING AND LYING is making them WIN the narative war-
NEXT TIME YOUARE PROVOKED ISRAEL- NO USA mandated pull outs NO MERCY — HIT THEM with ALL – amalek must DIE

you will LOSE NOHTHING JEWS- the world of people who hate you do so ANYWAY- and those who love you WILL not lose love to see you ALIVE and not DEAD by MUSLIMS

Isahiah62 on October 13, 2010 at 7:03 pm

koran 8:39
Noble koran…Quote – And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world[]]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do. -Unquote
……………. open ended instruction from alla

Of course they will take a useless loyalty oath because

Bukhari:V7B67N427 “The Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.’”
after all

Bukhari:V4B52N268 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘War is deceit.’”

Tommy on October 15, 2010 at 2:22 am

Debbie:

In light of today’s announcement of new housing construction projects in Jerusalem, do you want to revise and extend your comments a little?

Here’s a link to one story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101015/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians

Regards,

TINSC (aka There is NO Santa Claus)

There is NO Santa Claus on October 15, 2010 at 10:47 am

You need to read further into the religion of Islam because it happens to be beautiful. Palestinians are not terrorists, infact victims. The jews do not have a land it says so in the holy book. They are expected to be scattered around countries but will never have a base. And before you dare judge any other religion, understand your own a little better. Read the entire bible because i’m sure you haven’t passed the first 10 pages. Who are you to critisize? You can blog and rant all you want but your opinion is your opinion, it is based on no facts and God knows what is right. Voice your own opinion, but never fora second think you can get away with such vile and discriminating comments. Everyone on this Earth is fighting for a reason, greed. If you got off your backside long enough to understand religion, you wouldn’t be sitting here going off at a tangent. Get the bible and read it, although it has been altered many times. Get the Torah and read it, it too has been altered. The Qu’ran can not be manipulated in any way, it is a jewel. Terrorists are NOT arabs, rather people who take matters to an extreme
Those who do it in the name of Allah are choosing to read words in the way they feel suits them and their needs; muslims by name. Islam prohibits violence and is clear in saying it is a last resort.
Do some reading you naive and simple minded human being.

Barbara on October 17, 2012 at 3:09 pm

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