February 15, 2007, - 1:44 pm

DISTURBING: What You Don’t Know About the Muslim Trolley Square Terrorist

By Debbie Schlussel
**** SCROLL DOWN FOR UPDATE ****
I’m learning more about the Muslim Trolley Square terrorist murderer, Sulejman Talovic. Yet, the Mainstream Media continue to ignore his religious background.
Worse, it sounds like Salt Lake City police are getting in on the denial act. They refused to seize or search Talovic’s computer, as terrorism expert and investigator Bill Warner points out. From the Salt Lake Tribune:

Salt Lake City police spokeswoman Robin Snyder said Wednesday that police have not discerned a motive or found anything resembling a suicide note. With the permission of Talovic’s parents, detectives searched their home but did not take any computers or video games, she said.

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Muslim Trolley Square Terrorist Sulejman Talovic

Why the heck not? What kind of investigation is this? What kind of investigators are these? Not very good ones. Five people are dead, five more in critical or serious condition, including a pregnant woman. The guy is Muslim and apparently a jihadist who wanted to kill as many people as possible and had on his person the ammo to do it. And they aren’t going to search his computer?! Hello . . .? Did the country not learn a thing from the episode of FBI Agent Harry Samit being repeatedly denied the right to look at Zacarias Moussaoui’s hard drive . . . and then 3,000 Americans were murdered?
We need to know how he got the firearm and ammo, from whom, and whether he was working with anyone. Not seizing and searching the computer is sheer idiocy.
Come on. Bill Warner comments:

Are you kidding me, 18 year old SULEJMAN TALOVIC unemployed (until Dec. 06), a high school drop out who stays home all the time, isolated by himself, who obviously had been planning the shooting at the Trolley Square Mall for some time, and he is a Muslim who had over 18 of his close relatives executed by the Serbs, and they DO NOT TAKE THE COMPUTERS ?????????????????

EXACTLY.
Then, there’s this e-mail I got from a reader in Salt Lake. Trying to verify it, but if even half of it is true (and I know the part about the people in the gift shop is–they were there buying Valentine’s Day gifts) . . .

I read your article on the terrorist attack at Trolley Square in Salt Lake City with interest. I knew as soon as I spoke with my friends Monday night in law enforcement (the ones who actually killed the shooter) that this was a terrorist attack.
According to my friends on the SWAT team who responded to the scene first, the terrorist killed four individuals inside a gift shop Jihad execution style. He actually made them kneel down. Then he put the gun barrel to the back of their heads and killed each one of them one by one.
The day after the shooting, I observed a man dressed as a Muslim cleric being arrested by the West Valley Police on his way to the Kaadeeja Islamic Center in West Valley City. My friends in law enforcement confirmed that this man is the Uncle of Sulejman Talovic.
Of course the FBI is denying there is any link to terrorism because the DOJ has a direct order from President Bush to ensure that no terrorist attacks occur on American soil since 9/11.

So, why won’t they seize and search Talovic’s computer?
**** UPDATE: Reader Eric, a computer expert, writes:

As a computer security professional I find it ludicrous they did not look at all the computers in the house. Each and every one should’ve been confiscated, imaged and searched. This includes, but is not limited to, cell phones, PDA’s, Sony PSP, pagers … It is not unusual for the local PD to not have the tools/experience to carry out a forensic investigation. However, I would imagine that SLC is large enough to have at least one officer trained on how to secure the equipment until another agency (county, state, federal) is on the scene to conduct the investigation. Just my two cents for whatever it is worth.

It’s worth a lot more than the training they apparently get at the Salt Lake PD.

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32 Responses

I knew there was more that meets the eye as I mentioned in one of your entries. It seems like the media is actually victimizing him as they always do to most perpentrators. Now they speculated he suffered from PTSD of the Bosian War. BOO HOO! I’m just suprised that the off-duty cop who shot him is not facing prosecution like our heroic border partol agents are for trying to stop a drug-smuggling illegal alien.

Jew Chick on February 15, 2007 at 2:20 pm

BTW Debbie,
Thanks for posting his picture for all of us to see him for the cold-blooded jihadist murderer that he his.

Jew Chick on February 15, 2007 at 2:22 pm

Its hiding the truth issues like this that really concerns me. The Bush adminstration loves to Rah Rah about that fact that we havent had any terrorists attacks since 9/11 which all of us can contest (especially Debbie). The question is, is Bush and Co telling federal and local authorities to downplay the muslim identities to support the “No terrorists attacks” chant or is the left media trying to hide it. More likely the latter but both scenarios are possible. You’d think the lefty media would like to ID these kind of attacks as being terror related so they can say Bush’s policies arent working.

Avatar on February 15, 2007 at 2:38 pm

Where is the mother fricking Fan Belt Installers in this deal??? This is a terrorist attack for Heaven’s sake!!! You secure the house, get a search warrant if necessary, search that punk-terrorist’s bedroom, and take all of his computer shit and analyze it! Maybe the FBI is waiting for someone like Talovic to videotape his executions before they do anything. I’m telling you right now, this country is butt-naked, blindfolded, bent over and grabbing its ankles, and just waiting for a good buggering. And when it comes . . . Lord help us all.

AynaydaPizaqvick on February 15, 2007 at 2:44 pm

I’m surprised you haven’t commented on the recent announcement by the White House that it would allow 7,000 Iraqis into this country.
YOU DIDN’T READ CLOSELY, B/C I HAVE AN ENTIRE ENTRY ON THAT VERY TOPIC FROM EARLIER IN THE DAY.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

gregdn on February 15, 2007 at 3:30 pm

Can you see a situation in which the Roosevelt Admin. allowed Nazis in the country? Of wait many got in under falsified identities. Are we ready to support Tom Tancredo for President yet?
As I stated in previous comment. Who determines what the definition of terror attack means? We are all screwed and how!

Islamsnotforme on February 15, 2007 at 3:51 pm

I’m trying to access the newsletters at the Islamic Society of Greater Salt Lake, which runs the mosque to which you refer, and they’ve shut down links to the newsletters. Hmmm…
http://utahmuslims.com/newsletter.php

sonomaca on February 15, 2007 at 3:52 pm

I always pay special attention when I hear of multiple victims in a single attack, perpetrated by a single assailant. In too many of these types of events, the perpetrator is young, male, and Muslim.
Immediately after the attack, I listened for the name of the attacker. When the news announced that the police wouldnít release the name, I immediately knew he would be a Muslim. Iím sure many others knew and felt the same way. It was a gut feeling that turned out to be right, and sadly, it turns out to be right too much of the time.
I have no doubt that this particular episode was a suicide attack, against infidels, by an Islamic jihadist.
I believe it is obvious that this is the case. What is not so easy to discern is, why are the news media and Federal authorities so reluctant to call it what it really is? Are they truly that stupid? Is it a misguided effort to protect the ìreligion of peaceî? Or is it more sinister than that? Is it further development of dhimmitude in America?

Rocky on February 15, 2007 at 3:57 pm

On this link, there’s a audio sermon where the speaker talks about how the sins of an individual hurts the Islamic community of Salt Lake…goes on an on about this. This was recorded January 27:
http://utahmuslims.com/land.php
Don’t know if this has any significance.

sonomaca on February 15, 2007 at 4:02 pm

Debbie…Any information WHY police officers have been placed on administrative leave?

joesixpack31 on February 15, 2007 at 4:13 pm

Just a thought. Maybe they don’t have a computer or video camera.
Otherwise it needs to be looked into.

BWR on February 15, 2007 at 4:48 pm

They didn’t take the devices because they don’t want to find certain information which might upset a certain group.
Interesting: I’m sure I’m not the only one to notice the mini-Jihadi beard on the perp.
The Deseret News would rather whine about “ultraconservative” blogs (lefty code for Nazi) like LGF, Jihad Watch and this site.
Fortunately, the “ultras” are the only ones willing to do the work to get at the facts.

sonomaca on February 15, 2007 at 6:54 pm

Everyone that is outraged by this behavior by law enforcement needs to reject candidates like Rudi Giuliani, Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich.
The RNC is shoving these Rockefellar Republicans down our throat. You should know all 3 are CFR members and support a one world Government. We will get the same leadership from these RHINOS that we have with GWB.
Vote for a change this time around.
Vote for Tom Tancredo or Duncan Hunter
They both will change this PC crap we are dealing with and fire the idiots that are now running the DHS and FBI.

ScottyDog on February 15, 2007 at 7:18 pm

The state of law enforcement in this country is deplorable and getting worse. Protecting our citizens and our homeland no longer come first. It’s all about grabbing as much as they can for themselves and their brothers in blue. Take the leaders of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association (FLEOA), a professional organization that wields a lot of influence. Instead of standing up for the people of this nation by demanding real leadership for ICE, the lead agency charged with hunting down dangerous aliens, i.e., Islamofascist terrorists, FLEOA sold us out by supporting the selection of Julie Myers to run ICE. Why, you ask? Because she promised to meet with the FLEOA leaders regularly and listen to their whining. That means they believe she will support their efforts to get better pay and benefits. To hell with worrying about whether we’ve got the wherewithall to interdict and hunt down terrorists hellbent on destroying this nation and our way of life. “If she can help us get a few more thousand bucks a year in our paychecks, then she’s the girl for us!” All I can say is, Art Gordon and the rest of you idiots running FLEOA. I don’t know how you can sleep at night. Julie Myers’ resume would normally qualify her for no more than an entry-level special agent’s job in one of our federal agencies, but because she is married to Chertoff’s chief-of-staff, and her uncle is 4-star general Richard Myers, Bush figured that was good enough to run ICE. What more do you need to know to figure out where immigration enforcement sits on Bush’s list of priorities?

AynaydaPizaqvick on February 15, 2007 at 8:41 pm

And dubya approved Iftaar dinners and increased student visas to Saudis (!?), after 9/11, while COndi declared ‘benevolence in the heart of Islam’. Add to that Iraqi refugees and even with the phony ‘war on terror’, we know which side of America, dubya is on. Needless to add, his administration implements his policy of ‘see no jihad, hear no jihad, speak no jihad’ even as jihad stares Americans in the face.

Alert on February 15, 2007 at 8:53 pm

Earlier Avatar said: You’d think the lefty media would like to ID these kind of attacks as being terror related so they can say Bush’s policies arent working.
My reply: As deranged about Bush as they are, the lefty media will never admit “terror at home”. That would put them in the unenviable position of having to condemn it. Which, we know, they certainly do not want to do. The very foundation of multiculturalism would crumble should the media ID a Muslim comitting a violent crime.
Keep shining the light on them Debbie.

Southernops on February 15, 2007 at 9:30 pm

Uh, maybe the suicide note that they cannot find….
is on his computer? Nitwits.
It seemed his parents were surprised about the guns. If so, were they wondering where he might have gotten them?

91veteran on February 15, 2007 at 11:09 pm

Debbie…Any information WHY police officers have been placed on administrative leave?
Posted by: joesixpack31 at February 15, 2007 04:13 PM
Pretty standard practice in a police shooting.

91veteran on February 15, 2007 at 11:12 pm

There are a number of reasons why they won’t reveal the fact that the perpetrator is a Muslim or that an obvious act of terror really is terror.
1. Bush and the government don’t get it that Islam is the problem and not the tiny minority baloney. Therefore, they won’t allow this information to get out in order to prevent attacks on the Muslims at large.
2. The administration wants to go on claiming that there haven’t been any terror attacks.
The following were Islamic terror attacks;
Oklohoma Murrah building
TWA flight 800
Flight 527 out of Long Island
Hadayet in LAX on July 4th
The SUV driver in North Carolina
The Pakistani shooter in Seattle
3. The leftist media is in cahoots with the Muslim program so they will never allow them to be viewed in a negative light. Additionally, multi culti PC demands that only white Judeo Christians be guilty of anything.

Facts of Life on February 15, 2007 at 11:49 pm

sonomaca,
It appears the Salt Lake regional online Muslim Forum of Utah
http://www.muslim-forum.org/main.html.
have jumped on the (a)moral equivalence bandwagon (see NYT below) with this taqiyya. . .
PRESS RELEASE: Trolley Square Shooting Not Related to Islam & Muslims 2/14/07 The tragic Trolley Square Shooting that happened recently was not related to Islam and Muslims. Our hearts go out to the families that were hurt in this event. The people hurt and killed could have been our own families and friends that attend the nearby Mosque, so we are happy that the perpetrator was killed before he could hurt anybody else in the community. Our Bosnian contacts in the community say that Sulejman Talovic, an 18 year old high school drop out and Bosnian immigrant, was a young man who lived a hermit type of lifestyle. Political terrorism is not a factor, given his lifestyle and lack of adherence to Islam.
He was not known to have been religious, but infact secular in nature and never attended any of the local Mosques and did not associate with the community.
Even if he had been religious, that does not represent the community, because his actions were anti-Muslim and hurt Muslims more than anybody. Some say he was from a gypsy background. There are alot of American, Mexican, African-American, Bosnian, Somalian, Saudi, Arab, Afghani, Turkish, Iraqi, Lebanese, Jordanian, Palestinian Pakistani, Persian, Iranian and other youth that are secular and drink alcohol, fornicate, gamble, and go to clubs in Utah. They are not representative of the overall Muslim community within Utah or abroad. If he was from a non-Muslim background, his faith would never have been mentioned in the news and media. sltrib article
The bold portion above totally contradicts the unattributed statements made to/ by someone at CBSnews
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/15/national/main2480419.shtml
Sulejman Talovic quit school at 16, but had continued to attend Friday prayers at a Salt Lake City mosque until December, when he got a job under pressure from his father.
***What a load of crap!
As for the law enforcement keeping a lid on the potential jihad aspect . . .don’t forget these two links that help explain:
From LGF, comment by Savage_Nation
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24459#c0315
Most SLC residents are in complete denial.
Let me share some thoughts with you if I may. I just left Salt Lake City a couple hours ago with a load to Menominie WI. I took yesterday and today off cause of time restraints so I spent it at the Flying J at the 201 and I15, about 2 miles from downtown. Most of the peeps in there are regulars and local people. I asked some people what they thought of the massacre and every damn one of them said he was just a poor misunderstood lad from Billy Boys war.
Interesting though, the SLC Police and State Patrol hang out there too and I asked one of them what they thought and the trooper said that off the record they all know it was a personal jihad but they cant talk about it on the record because they are all under orders of silence from the top brass at HQ.
Recall Atlas’ piece last week:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2007/02/preparing_for_w.html
“Public information officers or spokesman for law enforcement agencies are purposely downplaying and in some cases lying outright to the public about arrests of Muslims in the US,” so said one Federal law enforcement official.
*****
The New York Times article
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/15/us/15mall.html?_r=1&ref=us&oref=slogin
Anti-Bosnian Backlash Feared in Utah
What backlash? You can’t make this stuff up . . .
Ah, yes, the fearsome Ôø?backlashÔø? – envelope stuffed with cash stuck in the door. Photo at
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/02/15/here-comes-the-backlash-that-dreaded-backlash/

justamomof4 on February 15, 2007 at 11:50 pm

His family said he was such a good boy, but he had a violent juvenile history
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5234935
Can we confirm that his uncle was a cleric?
Press release 2/14 from the Muslim Forum of Utah
http://www.muslim-forum.org/
“PRESS RELEASE: Trolley Square Shooting Not Related to Islam & Muslims 2/14/07…Our Bosnian contacts in the community say that Sulejman Talovic, an 18 year old high school drop out and Bosnian immigrant, was a young man who lived a hermit type of lifestyle. Political terrorism is not a factor, given his lifestyle and lack of adherence to Islam. He was not known to have been religious, but infact secular in nature and never attended any of the local Mosques and did not associate with the community. Even if he had been religious, that does not represent the communty, because his actions were anti-Muslim and hurt Muslims more than anybody. Some say he was from a gypsy background…”
Isn’t this a telling sentence?! “Political terrorism is not a factor, given his lifestyle and lack of adherence to Islam.” (so you just heard it from the horse’s mouth: political terrorism = adherents to Islam)

mennyiben on February 16, 2007 at 12:00 am

Interesting bits of info. I’m sure some of Salt Lake’s finest will let Debbie know the real story, about the computer, the uncle, the mosque.
I believe other people knew this was coming. I believe this violent kid was encouraged by someone to unleash a personal Jihad.

sonomaca on February 16, 2007 at 1:14 am

Yesterday, I was checking out some stuff on the Al Noor Mosque and tweaked to this. Back in January the Imam of the Khadeejah Islamic Center, Shuaib-ud Din. was fired as religious leader of the Islamic Society of Greater Salt Lake amid allegations of domestic violence.
Listen to this: “…The imam’s relative said that by about 8 a.m. Jan. 13, Din already had left Salt Lake City after being dropped off at Salt Lake City International Airport by board members who took him there and suggested he leave the country. With no immediate flights available to Chicago, the imam rented a car, drove to Las Vegas and caught a flight to Chicago, his relative said.”
Given the rich Muslim tradition of being a he-man woman hater’s club I found that to be a bit harsh for a domestic spat. There had to be more to this story right? According to a scared relative there was:
“The relative said the abrupt departure – one that left the imam “in shock” – was driven by something more than his marital issues. The imam, the relative said, had recently raised concerns about board finances, the exclusion of women from the board and the housing of “suspicious” individuals in the mosque.”
What does this have to do with the Trolley Square Shooter? Don’t know – just found that bit about housing suspicious individuals at the Mosque disturbing.
Link:http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5051135
BTW – Din was back in UT by Valentine’s Day. He was arrested in some place called Murray, Utah on the domestic violence charges.
Link: http://www.sltrib.com/search/ci_5223658

Dinah Lord on February 16, 2007 at 12:48 pm

You have been doing a bang-up job with your investigating. Thank you.
This is my first post here, I’m on jihad watch a bit.
I have been doing a lot of thinking this week about why this has captured our attention the way Anna-Nicole has captured the MSM.
I think it is because this is what we all fear the most. The randomness of it. The thought that it could have been you or me or our children, husband, wife or Father doing the innocent thing of just being an American.
I hope Washington and all the candidates are reading the blogs. Or their flunkies are.
You grow up in this country trusting law enforcement to look out for you and now we have had the cold hard facts fed to us Deli-style with no mustard.
Our safety is not as important as the guys with the Black Gold.
Getting power and keeping it is more important than us. We are simply a source of revenue for them.
I am starting to think it is more than them not being able to see past the PC. They don’t even want to look.
I am not a Bush hater or anti-anythinger except that I just have come to the conclusion that their idea of protecting us from the truth is not protection at all.
Aunt Bea
Toto quit your barkin, cause we ain’t in Mayberry no more.

auntbea on February 16, 2007 at 4:41 pm

Asked someone who is “loosely” in the Homeland Security loop about law enforcement downplaying instances like this and coming from higher-ups, and he said yes they are not supposed to make a big deal.
Tom

Marinetbryant on February 17, 2007 at 3:11 pm

Can a law suit be filed against the FBI for not doing their job? Could we as taxpayers who are paying their salaries be the plaintiffs? I’ll bet a lot of your readers would be happy to join in a class action suit in this case and donate money. In general if you can be an attorney for lawsuits against this kind of thing why not use your web site as a way to raise money from outraged people and/or to get them to sign on as plaintiffs. I know nothing about the law so pardon me if I’m wrong about this. I know that Nitsana Darshan-Leitner has been having an impact.

memo on February 18, 2007 at 7:09 am

One more thing, even if a law suit can’t win it can engender a lot of publicity which in itself may be victory enough.

memo on February 18, 2007 at 7:09 am

I’m going to be frank and many won’t like it. It may even piss Deb off but guess what, I just can’t hold it in any more. I am first of all a Jefferson (Thomas that is) Republican. The power belong to the people and not to some elite and/or politician whose titles and/or allegiance belong to: Bilderberg, Skull and Bones, Illuminati, Council on Foreign Relatons, Security and Prosperity Partnership (http://www.spp.gov), the DLC, the Neo-Cons, The U.N. or any group or three letter organizations that incorporates both sides of the aisle to rule America for their sick pleasure. I am also sick and tired and saddened of posters here and many other left or right who throw barbs at each other, when Clinton and Bush are teaming up together and make $$$ at our expense. The war in Iraq and Aghanistan is a great example. Deb had photos of soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan injured and maimed, but still willing to serve our country. Yet I don’t see Chelsie, Barbara, Jenna, Mary or Elizabeth fighting. Why not them? Because their daddys won’t allow it. And even with a draft, none of them will go and if they do, it’ll be in an office in Hawaii. What about your sons or daughters? What about you?
Why are we blasting each other, calling NBC for example a lefty network, when they are owned by G.M. and last I remember, made weapons so our soldiers could protect us? If they piss any of the presidents off, they’d lose their contracts. So why are we bashing each other when it’s the left and right politicians who are sending us to war? Our bickering is just a waste of time
And even Deb brought up an interesting point:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/02/shame_on_the_po.html#comments
Why is the Bush administration fighting to keep the UAE in charge of Ports World when the UAE is a known country that trains and supports terrorists?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/21/port.security/
And we’re here complaining about the left? Bush is no conservative but he, like many of the Neo-Cons are allowing America to be taken over. BY TERROISTS!
All right, if you want me banned, then Deb, ban me from your board. If the righties here feel that I’m betraying the party, then I am. I won’t go over to the left but I will do my damnedest with the help of both open-minded lefties and righties to expose both sides and their corruption until I AM SHOT IN THE HEAD BY A FUCKING BULLET BY EITHER SIDE!
Oh and fuck Ann Coulter, that neo-con cunt. I love Debbie.

KOAJaps on February 19, 2007 at 2:27 am

HELLO DEBBIE!!!
I am Bosnian Muslim.
I read everything that you and the rest of these people wrote, I agree with many of them and at the same time, my feelings were hurt. I just wonder why does his religion matter to you when the worst mass killings, of this nature, were not done by Muslims? Virginia Tech killer was not a Muslim, yet he killed the most people in history of mass shootings. You ruled him out as a nut job, yet Sulejman has to be lebeled as a terrorist just because he was a Muslim. I feel so sad for you and others of your kind because you can not see the real problem. Your fear of Islam fills you with ignorance and hate that you became blind and are jumping to conclusions. I hope that I never turn out to be that way. Thank you, and I look forward to what your response might be. Bye.

denisa_proud_bosnian on May 2, 2008 at 1:04 am

I hate when people jump to conclusions i agree with you denisa because i am bosnian too and we have every right to say what we want.. they dont know anything just because he did that doesnt mean he was a terrorist.. they dont know what was going through his head.. i am so proud to be a muslim thank god i dont discriminate and judge people on theyre religion like many on here do, and after you said something no one responded to your comment.. pathetic. they dont have an argument.

Marizela on February 19, 2010 at 1:57 pm

Hmm. That’s wild. Maybe the answer is a nice, soft Harley. Golden Spike Harley.com

B-rian on June 24, 2010 at 6:44 pm

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