August 26, 2011, - 3:01 pm

Far Worse Than Qaddafi: Libya’s New Tripoli Gov. is Al-Qaeda

By Debbie Schlussel

I’ve said it before on this site and elsewhere.  I’ll say it again:  while Qaddafi was a horrible man and an Islamic terrorist, at least we had a negotiated peace with him, pursuant to which he gave up his nukes.  Now, things will get worse.  The rebels are hardcore Islamic extremists, who will not give up anything for us.  And, as I reported years ago on this site and elsewhere, when Dick Cheney headed Halliburton, he used a foreign subsidiary of the Halliburton-owned Brown and Root, to get around embargo rules against doing business with Libya and helped Qaddafi build miles of underground steel-tubed tunnels big enough to transport vehicles and nuclear equipment throughout Libya, impervious to our spy satellites.  Now, apparently, these tunnels will be the domain of Al-Qaeda. And check out who will be leading them.

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Abdelhakim Belhadj: New Boss Far Worse Than the Old Boss

Our friend, Rodrigo Veleda, notes that Abdelhakim Belhaj a/k/a Abdel Hakim Belhadj, Tripoli’s newly installed military governor, is an Al-Qaeda man.  Veleda notes that even the left-wing French media are reporting and recognizing this, while our mainstream media are ignoring this fact, because it goes against their liberal, gushing narrative over the phony “Arab Spring.”

Abdelhakim Belhaj, Tripoli’s newly installed military governor (also being a key military official within Libya’s National Transitional Council), is linked to Al Qaeda, reports Liberátion (a hardcore Leftist French newspaper). Belhaj is a former official of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (an affiliate group of Al Qaeda). In 2003, Belhaj was arrested in Malaysia in 2003, later being interrogated by CIA in 2004 in Thailand. He was set free in Libya in 2008.

Disturbing, but no surprise. Read the rest.

Even the Arab world’s Asharq Al-Awsat notes that this guy is a top jihadist in “From Holy Warrior to Hero of a Revolution: Abdelhakim Belhadj“:

Abdelhakim Belhadj is the commander of the Libyan rebel Tripoli Military Council; he emerged as a leader during the Libyan rebels’ operation to liberate the Libyan capital from Gaddafi control. Belhadj is also a former Emir of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), which was banned internationally as a terrorist organization following the 9/11 attacks.

The LIFG was founded in the 1990s by Libyan mujahedeen returning from Afghanistan and was reportedly previously led by Abu Laith al-Libi, a top Al Qaeda leader in Afghanistan who is believed to have been a training camp leader and key link between Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

Belhadj was born in 1966, and graduated from university with a degree in civil engineering. He is also believed to have two wives; one Moroccan wife and a second Sudanese wife. Belhadj immigrated to Afghanistan in 1988 to participate in the Afghan jihad against occupying Soviet forces. He is believed to have lived in a number of Islamic countries including Pakistan, Turkey and Sudan. Belhadj was arrested in Afghanistan and Malaysia in 2004, and was interrogated by the CIA in Thailand before he was extradited to Libya in the same year. He was released in Libya in 2008, and announced his renunciation of violence the following year.

Belhadj is known within Islamist circles as “Abu Abdullah Assadaq” and the Libyan uprising has seen his transformation from wanted man to hero of the Libyan revolution.

The LIFG is considered a key component in the revolution that brought down the Gaddafi regime. Approximately 800 members of the LIFG are believed to have participated in fighting alongside rebel forces, under the leadership of Abdelhakim Belhadj.

Welcome to the “new” and unimproved Libya. Alhamdillullah [praise allah].

How long until this Islamic terrorist gets an invite to the Obama White House? 3-2-1 . . . .

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There are two choices of leaders in Islamic countries: Bad and Worse.

We just backed worse. We did that in Egypt (even though we don’t know the islamic name of Worse yet, we do see things getting Worse).

We backed the revolt in Afghanistan, and got Worse.

We (or rather, Jimmy Farter) overthrew the Shah, and backed Worse and got Worse.

We are not surrepticiously (sp?) backing Hezbollah in Lebonon, which is collectively Worse. (Doubt me? See my comments on Gaza).

We are secretly backing Hamas in Gaza, and getting Worse there. (Please do not tell me we are not backing Hamas—Obama is has numerous communications with them, and is giving a great deal of aid to Gaza. In fact, there are many, many contacts between the Obama administration and Hamas)

Everyone see a pattern here?

Jonathan E. Grant on August 26, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Moderate elements in the anti-Qaddafi coalition don’t stand a chance. The best-organized element will win any future election and they are the Islamists. That’s true in every Arab country that overthrew a long standing dictatorship.

    NormanF on August 26, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Debbie identified the Libyan revolution’s Islamic Lenin but there doesn’t appear to be a Kerensky in sight.

    We should all like other people to have what we have but what if that’s not what they want? Our Western values won’t take root in the Middle East, where a vibrant civil society is very weak and the most passionate extremists can easily out-organize and out-maneuver disaffected secularists in the public square.

    The Arab dictatorships through massive terror and repression, succeeded in killing off all but the most fanatical elements in their societies. Meet the new boss, worse than the old boss. I have no starry-eyed illusions things are going to change for the better in the Middle East. Just the exact opposite.

    NormanF on August 26, 2011 at 6:00 pm

It won’t be a long wait till the new Libyan “leadership”
(TNC/NTC)will accuse Irael 4 assisting Qathahfi… stay tuned.

nomis101 on August 26, 2011 at 3:40 pm

of course
he’ll be far worse

they’re going to be
far worse
all across the mid-east

this was obama’s
fervent hope and change
for the world

a muslim supremacist
sits in the white house

thank you
democrat party
and everyone
who votes so stupidly

prestigio on August 26, 2011 at 3:41 pm

Now that Belhadj has Qaddafi’s stockpile of shoulder launched surface to air missiles, it won’t be long before these missiles are threatening Israeli and Western military and civilian airliners.

fred on August 26, 2011 at 3:54 pm

Just more hope and change. I won’t even drink pepsi due to the B.o. symbol they morphed their symbol into. Things are really looking not so well.

samurai on August 26, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    Not to depress you more Samurai (as I agree with your sentiments) but a jury just gave $300k to the surviving daughter of some low-life scumbag who was shot as he tried to burglarize a business.

    http://www.gazette.com/articles/jury-123946-burglar-lot.html#ixzz1WAJvzqf5

    The ME is scary and so are our juries. They are getting more dopey by the day. And I think I heard a talk-show host allude last week to how a rancher on the boarder was sued by the SPLC and had to give up his ranch to the illegal alien trespasser. I don’t like the Bizarro World.

    Looking not so well, indeed. :(

    Skunky on August 26, 2011 at 4:39 pm

      Skunky,

      along with Jon and Sean R, you always make my day. G-d Bless and Keep You.

      Occam's Tool on August 29, 2011 at 1:08 am

Jon Grant, your post was great and I DO see a pattern. It is scary as hell…and I get more scared when I don’t see many others…other than the regulars and Hostess here recognizing it and telling it like it is. It’s beyond scary to me. And Jon, I DO believe the Zero Administration IS backing HAMAS…if just in Michigan alone you have “Abu Moskowitz” and “Abu Porno” in the pocket of HAMAS, why not the whole administration under the complete disaster of Barack Hussein Obama? Especially since he’s VERY Islamo-centric and anti-Isreal.

And Prestigio, you are correct too. I agree with your thesis.

I see that News organizations are still labeling their news as “The Liberation of Libya”. They can’t really believe that, can they? I was just browsing at a May issue of “GQ” (or perhaps “Esquire”) and they did a fawning multiple page article on Egypt’s “Liberation”. It’s very disturbing how so many in the world today are just seeing things the way they want to see it rather than the way things really are. It’s sickening.

DS is so right (and isn’t that why we come here) and now that I have learned so much from here, I am getting frightened at how many so-called Conservatives are CLUELESS not only on the death cult of Islam, but on other so-called Conservatives (I heard Michael Savage say that Rick Perry was the only hope of TRUE Conservatism in the race…WHAT? And Jed Babin…filling in for him last week was great on some points and on others I was shaking my head and saying “Another one who doesn’t get it”.)

Prestigio’s post however brief was right on. And like everything else in 2011, most of the people DON’T want to see it. It scares me because we know DS is tops when it comes to the ME but you’d never know it by listening to others. I’m beginning to think being able to confront the truth (or dismiss it) is a CHARACTER issue and not one of intelligence or putting together clues. Very disturbing. But I’m glad I’m here.

Skunky on August 26, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    Obama’s America is backing Islamists: in Turkey, in Gaza, in Egypt and in Libya. There is a common pattern here.

    It should be nurturing liberal forces in the Arab World, which are weak to begin with but it has no interest in strengthening anti-Islamists.

    As a result, the region will be more extreme, millions will die and the crushing grip of extreme Islamism will curb progress everywhere towards social development at home and destroy all prospect of achieving peace in the Middle East.

    Thanks, Obama!

    NormanF on August 26, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Yup, I opposed the intervention, too, because I thought that at least we had Daffy properly cowed. But the Obummer administration hates America in every way. G-d, I despise the man.

    Occam's Tool on August 29, 2011 at 1:06 am

so what are we supposed to do? which leader are we supposed to back? i say we get the hell out of the middle east, save for israel, and bomb the hell out of any country that attacks us or any of our interests. we aint muslim, we are christian, so the muslims in the middle east will never ever be our friends.

always amazed on August 26, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    What do you mean ‘we’ are christian? America is a secular nation, and in these parts churches are empty. I think there are 20 million atheists in our country, and btw countries with high rates of atheism are the most peaceful and stable in the world, although not surprisingly there are serious issues with muslim immigration…..

    australeopithicus on August 26, 2011 at 5:16 pm

      australeopithicus,

      No, atheist countries are the most violent and savage countries, save for Muslim ones. Just check any history book about how many people died in atheist utopias of Russia, China, North Korea, Cambodia, etc etc.

      “Secular” countries have caused all the problems we are facing right now in the West. The more a country becomes liberal and secular, the weaker and more effeminate it becomes, and in comes Islam to fill the void.

      Finally, America has long been a Christian country, which is why so many people have wanted to immigrate here, because Christian values allowed for prosperity and peace.

      We didn’t get the Muslim barbarian wave of immigration when we were still a predominantly devout Christian nation.

      JM on August 26, 2011 at 5:31 pm

        Ironically enough, those Muslim immigrants want to replicate the very hellholes they tried to escape from at home. Europe hasn’t done a great job of assimilating them into Europe culture. Don’t think the outcome will be much different in this country. There are no model societies anywhere in the world in which Islam has co-existed peacefully with non-Islamic cultures on an equal basis.

        NormanF on August 26, 2011 at 6:08 pm

      Australeopithicus Africanus, I hope you read JM’s rebuttal to you. He/She is CORRECTAMUNDO and you’re wrong. I hope you’re intelligent enough to know that all those “secular” countries JM listed in the 2nd paragraph are COMMIE countries too. You are quick to blame religion and miss the REAL cause of human suffering…Communism.

      Again, someone with a Leftist bent getting all bent out of shape over religion and not taking a look at the TRUE killer…COMMUNISM. A few weeks ago some snaps of North Korea were given permission to be shown. You should look at them. As David Gates of “Bread” once said….”…A picture paints a thousand words”.

      We recently discussed those “peaceful” and “stable” countries you alluded to…we don’t celebrate those “weak and effeminate” (as JM so aptly called them) countries like Norway and Sweden. And just to illustrate in a non-political manner, Norway has a very creepy and disgusting and scary history of serial-killings and torture by their CrAzY death/black metal bands. Those blond and blue eyed prigs are HARDLY sweetness and light. We can sit back and watch as they lose their countries to monsters even scarier than Death Metal bogans…Jihadis.

      Sean, I have head-explosions when I see anyone saying total ignorant BS like the silly git saying there will be democracy in Libya/Egypt. It’s totally crazy-making. These yobos give themselves away when they are so free with their lack of knowledge. And the silly blogger (I remember him) was like those tools on “HotAir” who act sooooo Conservative but want to tar and feather you if you call Fraud New (PAWNN) what it truely is. They also do that with Jihad Darrell Issa.

      And like you Sean, I expect the Liberals to be mentally ill but more and more I am seeing so-called Conservatives act just as emotionally and foolish. Our work has just doubled because not only do we have to convince the Liberals they are out of their trees, but many so-called Conservatives too!

      Skunky on August 26, 2011 at 6:22 pm

The Daily Rash is reporting that Qaddafi arrived in Alabama and has requested asylum from the Governor. http://www.thedailyrash.com/moammar-khadafi-seeks-asylum-in-alabama

HollyW on August 26, 2011 at 4:27 pm

“How long until this Islamic terrorist gets an invite to the Obama White House?”

Not long at all. Obama is already in the process of sending millions of dollars to Ghadafi’s Muslim opponents, under the phony guise of “humanitarian aid.” The money will likely be used to provide weaponry to this new “brand” of Islamic thugs to aid in murdering and terrorizing people, as Obama well knows.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/04/libya-rebels-us-to-send-gadhafi-opponents-25-million-in-aid.html

Ralph Adamo on August 26, 2011 at 4:35 pm

Folks, this story doesn’t surprise me either, we all knew when Gaddahfi was going to be overthrown, the Muslim Brotherhood groups will take over the Libyan government. And I just cannot understand how the left wing in this country is so damn naive about the Libyan situation. For instance, yesterday I was reading some comments on “Yahoo news” regarding this story, and this stupid female commentator on that website said something so stupid such as “yadda yadda yadda Obama did the right thing by taking out Gaddahfi, there’s going to be democracy in Libya yadda yadda yadda”, when I read that ignorant comment I said to myself, “WHAT! Are you frigging kidding me, al-quiada along with the Muslim Brotherhood are going to take over Libya and there going to bring democracy to the Libyan people? Get the hell out of here you stupid girl”! And we all know that the opposite is true from what that specific comment on another website from a gullible poster said.

Jonathan Grant,

Regarding Egypt, when Mubarak was in power he happend to be an ally of this country (USA), and yes the man was a dictator, but he was a “middle-of-the-road” dictator who wasn’t ruthless and cold-blooded like other dictators in the past. When Mubarak was in power in Egypt, he kept all of the islamic terrorist groups at bay by keeping a sharp eye on them from taking over the Egyptian government. And you also have to notice this, the overthrow of Mubarak has been planned by far-left groups in this country for years, it didn’t happen in one day or in one week. So we can blame Jimmy Carter, George Soros, Hillary Clinton, and other folks for the overthrow of Mubarak.

Skunky,

About Rick Perry, I don’t think this guy is the best candidate for the GOP, we all read and commented on this blog two weeks ago about Perry’s close-ties with the muslim community in Texas and CAIR emailing and kissing up to Perry and want to support him for president. I don’t mean to bring up a blogger who’s on the conservative end (TexasFred), he wrote an article on his site about Perry and he said that the muslim group that Perry’s supporting is the “Ismaelis” or “Aga Khan”, he claims that their a moderate muslim group that’s considered infidels by islamist zealots. Also that blogger mentioned DS’s name along with Pamela Gellar and Michelle Malkin, this blogger (TexasFred) LIED and said that “Debbie Schlussel, Pamela Gellar, and Michelle Malkin are saying that Rick Perry is an anti-semite”. The truth is is that neither DS, PG, or MM NEVER said that Rick Perry is an anti-semite, so that blogger (TexasFred) owe’s Schlussel, Malkin and Gellar an apology for lying and putting words into their mouths. That blogger is the equivalent to far-left bloggers who misquote, take words out of context by conservative talk show host and conservative bloggers and play “gotcha”!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on August 26, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    Sean, someone this week mentioned Samantha Power (Adam, I believe on the thread on the Israeli anti-semite) and to continue your thoughts on the overthrowing of Mubarak, I believe the anti-Genocide YET anti-Semite Samantha Power (in her position on Zero’s National Security Council) was the person in Zero’s cabinet that may have pushed Zero into NOT backing Mubarak (not that he wouldn’t of without her). Some believe that this is her “trial run” to use US force to see if they can perhaps use the same tactic on Israel. They call it R2P (Right to protect).

    She is married to the more feminine (than she) Cass Sunstein who I believe is a lawyer (feel free to say it as Mike Savage does…) and they both believe in “nudging” people ever so gently into accepting the bizarre as status quo. She is a Leftist NOT afraid to use military power to get what she wants (her bizarro version of utopia) so some believe the Egypt coup d’etat was to see if they can use FORCE on Israel.

    She is not a “lawYAH” but is married to one and I mention that because she speaks as cannily as a lawyer when asked about Israel and foreign policy and there is a video/audio of her ever-so-cannily alluding that she is all for using force to assist the Palestinians and giving them what is rightfully Israels.

    Skunky on August 26, 2011 at 7:11 pm

SeanR, even French leftists get it. Why can’t the Obama Administration? Nothing good will come of the NATO intervention in Libya. What is safe to say is we have replaced one tyranny with an equally worse one!

NormanF on August 26, 2011 at 5:34 pm

Norman, speaking of the French, we all know when we studied history in school that Libya was a former colony under French control. It’s good that the people of France acknowledge’s it but I don’t know why the Obama white house doesn’t understand who exactly will take over the Libyan government when Gaddahfi is overthrown and/or probably put into exile!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on August 26, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    You’re thinking of Algeria, which was a French overseas department until 1962. A million French lived in the cities on the coast and the Algerian Jews were made French citizens by the Cremieux Decree in 1870. France conquered Algeria in 1830.

    NormanF on August 26, 2011 at 5:52 pm

SeanR,

Libya was actually a former Italian colony. The Italians conquered it from the Ottoman Empire in 1911 and transformed it into an Italian outpost in North Africa. Libya and Italy still have close ties.

NormanF on August 26, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Norman, you’re right dude, Libya is a former colony of the Italian government and I was thinking “Algeria” who used to be owned by the French government.

    So you’re right, I got kinda mixed up with Libya and Algeria, so my fault folks and I didn’t mean to sound a little foolish in my message from 5:43 pm this afternoon!

    “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

    Sean R. on August 26, 2011 at 10:33 pm

      Sean, you’re a true Mensch. No worries…I messed up in my post too. I put Egypt when I meant Libya. Brain cramp!!!

      Skunky on August 26, 2011 at 10:57 pm

Aren’t they always?

Jo on August 26, 2011 at 6:32 pm

Certain media channels should be investigated over their reporting on Libya. Misinformation to bolster the Nato attacks and keep the lunatics with guns and flip-flops raving on. The same ‘honest reporters’ who crucified the IDF in the last two ME wars. A bloody disgrace.

Technology to-day works both ways, it has spurred on the downfall of the Gaddafi regime but on the other side, it can identify the culprits on the ground with facial recognition even in mobs. Identification will no doubt reveal the true state. Pictures from this wartorn zone has evidenced dead bodies lying willy nilly being trampled on by the nu-regime in waiting. Were these people their neighbours and school chums, so little regard for humanity, it’s sickening. BHO should be introduced to the Ethics of the Fathers, ‘He who is kind to the cruel, ends up by being cruel to the kind’.

Gaddafi’s Libya was debt free and this special report says it all. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/special-report-libya-cellphone-weapon-123418037.html

BHO initiated the war going against the USA Constitution. Britain was dragged in together with NATO. Britain has the SAS in Libya wearing Libyan army uniforms. Another illegal practice which should have David Cam-MORON facing an investigation.

This war is not about democracy but about stealing the BILLIONS of Gaddafi’s assets. Gaddafi had $61 Billion, some liquid and others fixed assets. If the USA acquire those assets and put them in a bank, then they will be assured of borrowings from ten times to a hundred times, more than the amount. South Africa’s Jacob Zuma is baulking at the request to have Gaddafi’s African assets handed over. Spain didn’t particpate in the Nato invasion because the already bankrupted Spain has a few billion of Gaddafi’s assets. Relinquishing the vast amounts is further going to debilitate these economies. As a result of this treacherous western dealing, Hugo Chavez, jumped the gun and is having all the gold returned from the British vaults to his country.

Remember Haiti, well what happened to the BILLIONS given in aid. 600,000 still live in tented squalor. Same formula, banks have the money and borrowings have been taken out on the same ratio to fill the coffers of a financially strapped government. Just follow the money.

Nato on the other hand doesn’t have the ammunition to continue a war, nor does Britain, France or Italy. BHO has no idea what he’s unleashed and as the 9/11 Rememberance Day looms, he’d better contain his ego driven policies because he’s steering his sheeple down a dangerous slope. The backlash has already started.

Eyes Wide Open on August 26, 2011 at 9:01 pm

Eyes, another award winning post. Thank you. I love that quote (EOTF).

Great point on Haiti. You know just about everyone has forgotten what a hell-hole Haiti is. And it (in a weird yet kinda apt segue) reminds me of all those Bob Geldof “USA For Africa/Live Aid” concerts back in the 80′s. Everyone thought they were doing a good thing (and I guess all those years ago you can’t blame them for their ignorance) but in the end, all the $$$ didn’t go the hungry in Africa, but the warlords and militias for their selfish reasons. Bob Geldof I think was shocked himself. I’m sure it’s scarred him. He looks pretty haunted to me. But back to Haiti. Those who have forgotten should know in 2011 that given $$ to Haiti will not be going to those surviving in tent cities.

Follow the $$ indeed, I’m gonna click on your link now…

Skunky on August 26, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    Skunky, the pertinent point in the Libyan article was the comment never disclosed by the press of Gaddafi’s goodness to his people’s welfare.They were better off than any European welfare state including America.

    Yes, Bob Geldorf’s LiveAid, recently an article was written by Ken Myers for Irish Independent titled ‘AFRICA is giving nothing to anyone — apart from AIDS’. Ken Myers visited Ethiopia and gave a first hand report. The starving children that LiveAid funded are now the new generation of gun toting terrorists siring children whenever the whim takes them. The population has exploded from 33.5 million to 78 million and should reach 177 million by 2050.
    Politicians in the West need a major shake-up. Time for taxpayers to protest at these unbridled horses behaving like donkeys.

    Eyes Wide Open on August 27, 2011 at 12:25 am

      Wow Eyes…I am going to look up that article. How scary is it in 2011 that so many are so misinformed (and uninformed) regarding Africa? And I absolutely cringe when I hear Black Americans acting like Africa is their “homeland”. It tells me in seconds flat they know NOTHING about Africa and romanticize it in a silly way a 12 year old idolizes Justin Bieber.

      About 10 years ago I read an incredible book on Africa by a Black American journalist. Keith Richburg’s “Out of America”. That book changed my life. He told it straight how terrible Africa was. I became interested in Congo and Zimbabwe because of it.

      Right on about the Politicians in the West. It has never been more clear who the “establishment” types are. But as I have previously noted, we have to work our way through the so-called Conservatives who really have no clue and think anyone with a “R” after their name is better. We need a bigger wake-up call!

      Skunky on August 27, 2011 at 11:47 am

Eyes, another award winning post. Thank you. I love that quote (EOTF).

Great point on Haiti. You know just about everyone has forgotten what a hell-hole Haiti is. And it (in a weird yet kinda apt segue) reminds me of all those Bob Geldof “USA For Africa/Live Aid” concerts back in the 80′s. Everyone thought they were doing a good thing (and I guess all those years ago you can’t blame them for their ignorance) but in the end, all the $$$ didn’t go the hungry in Africa, but the warlords and militias for their selfish reasons. Bob Geldof I think was shocked himself. I’m sure it’s scarred him. He looks pretty haunted to me. But back to Haiti. Those who have forgotten should know in 2011 that given $$ to Haiti will not be going to those surviving in tent cities.

Follow the $$ indeed, I’m gonna click on your link now…

Skunky on August 26, 2011 at 10:47 pm

Regardless of whether you have an Obama, a Bush, a Perry, a Romney or anyone in the White House, any of them will make a bad choice whenever they decide to pick sides in an Islamic civil war. The only exception would be if the civil war in question was b/w Muslims & non-Muslims, but except Nigeria, there is hardly any such country left (since Sudan has split).

The disappointing news from Libya is not that Gadaffi has lost power, but that the civil war has ended. The best thing that could have happened there was for that war to have gone on – Alien vs Predator style, until what was left would have been so weak that theoretically, the Barbers could have taken over. The moment anybody wins any of these wars, they declare their state an Islamic state, w/ the only difference being that they get to impose their preferred brand of Islam. Which is always, invariably anti-Infidel.

The best foreign policy for the West to follow would be to let these civil wars break out, and ensure that both sides are armed to the teeth but that neither side ever gets an edge over the other.

Take Syria, for instance. The current Assad regime there is a puppet of Iran and a major backer of Hizbullah. So obviously, they are an enemy. But if the Assad regime collapses along w/ the Alawites, the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood would come to power, and they are linked w/ the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. So that outcome would be just as ugly. Solution? Encourage a civil war in Syria that sucks up Sunni fighters not only from Syria itself, but also Palis, Egyptian Ikhwan fighters, Libyan rebels (now that they’ve won), Saudis and even Turks. On the Shia side, Hizbullah will have to send forces to fight for Assad, since it’s by no means certain that an Ikhwan regime in Damascus would allow Lebanon’s Sunnis to remain dominated by Hizbullah, as they are now. (This is also the explanation as to why Saddam and Hafiz al Assad, despite both being Baathist Arabs, couldn’t stand each other: Saddam was a Sunni who backed a Baathist order to prevent a Shia takeover of Iraq, while Assad was an Alawite who backed a Baathist order to prevent the Sunnis from taking over Syria. That also explains why Syria was a steadfast ally of Iran during its war w/ Iraq, which no other Arab country, except Libya, was.) So Hizbullah and Iran would be sure to send in their fighters to back the Assad regime, and Iraq too would send in Moqtada al Sadr and all the Shias there for the same reasons. Which would be a good thing – if all those Muslim barbarians are busy killing each other in Syria, they won’t be able to do that elsewhere.

And not just Syria – let these sort of turmoil happen everywhere – in Saudi Arabia, where their oil rich province also has a Shia majority, in Bahrein, in UAE and elsewhere. If all these countries are plunged into a mess, not only would all the terrorists they provide for jihads elsewhere disappear, but also, the funding for mosques in Europe, Americas, Asia and Africa also disappear.

What should the West do? Have different entities back the different factions, but w/ a goal that such a war never ends. Have someone back Hizbullah only when it looks like the Ikhwan might win, have someone else back Ikhwan only if the Assad regime looks saved. Essentially, sell weapons that are useful for local fighting, but totally worthless for a full scale war w/, say an Israel or an India. A by-product of this would be boosting arms sales to the Islamic empire and kick-starting the economy.

After a while, each country would be so weak that even their minorities wouldn’t feel threatened.

Infidel Pride on August 27, 2011 at 4:34 am

    IP, what an interesting post. It shows that ONCE we get serious about taking on Jihad the proper way (and I am sorry to say that I believe that for the USA to even get to that mentality, it will be harder than cleaning the Augean Stables!) that we have to pay rapt attention and adhere to a very well-thought out strategy. I guess in all the inter-Islamic fights we have to hope for pyrrhic victories all around. That’s quite a mathematical equation. Do you see us ever taking that strategy?

    And not that I care about the stupid Left, but if we were, can you imagine the caterwauling by the Left? Those morons go on and on about Rumsfeld and Saddam and what else come to mind is the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan and Iran contra. They are still in high-dudgeon over those (any excuse to be anti-American).

    Eyes mentioned Libya getting short-shrift in the horrible media…and so is Syria. Before Syria got all crazy, American Vogue magazine (March 2011) did a disgustingly fawning article on Asma Assad and depicted her as the heart behind Syria and how she was devoted to making her country into a happy Utopia. They inadvertently showed what a creepy sadist she was in the article (in her interplay with young kids and her teasing of Brad Pitt and Skankalina Jolie) and the picture of her and her rotten husband on the floor playing with their kids is the most nauseating piece of propaganda I have ever seen.

    Skunky on August 27, 2011 at 12:09 pm

      Skunky

      Even if the West does not encourage such civil wars to go on, even staying neutral – which Obama was initially doing during the Libyan crisis – is an improvement. So I can see the West making the correct decisions if they either decide not to intervene, or are really indecisive about it, like they were for a while in Darfur. If enough is left going that there is a real power struggle in Syria, it’ll achieve enough on its own.

      There are precedents for this. For instance, was the 8 year war b/w Iran & Iraq good for the West? Absolutely! How about the war in the 60s b/w the 2 Yemens – one backed by the Saudis, the other by Nasser? That one too! We just need to have it happening in as many places as possible, and the threat to the West would be heavily diluted.

      Infidel Pride on August 29, 2011 at 3:04 am

Funny side-note:

CNN covers Libya from wrong Tripoli

Infidel Pride on August 27, 2011 at 6:21 am

Churchill once joked that the best argument against democracy is 5 minute conversation with an ordinary voter. He meant a contemporary English voter.

If those relatively educated countries of Europe, America or Japan cannot elect reasonable people to pursue national interests instead of their own, why would anyone would expect this happen in the middle east?

Dictatorial regimes tend to be more successful, since they have more chances to prevent mass theft and looting by self serving advisers, lobbyists, and agencies, unless the dictator is an idiot, a moron or bloodthirsty. Its been known for thousands of years (Athens v. Sparta), have been meticulously analyzed (Machiavelli “The Prince”) and can be observed by anyone willing to look at successful regimes vs unsuccessful ones.

mycesar on August 27, 2011 at 12:34 pm

Eyes, that was one powerful article. I vaguely remember the hullabaloo around it in 2008. I am sure the writer was taken to the tool-shed and then some. It must have been rough for him after it was published. I appreciate an honest article like that.

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2008/07/africa_is_givin.php

Ceasr, your post reminded me of when Rush Limbaugh reminds his audience that we in America have so much to be grateful for because he says that the norm of the world is tyranny, famine and lack of liberty. We tend to forget how special we are and take it for granted.

Skunky on August 27, 2011 at 3:18 pm

Skunky, if you’re in reading mode please get your hands on a book ‘The grave are not yet full’ by Bill Berkeley. It was a Los Angeles Times Best Book of 2001. Race, Tribe and Power in the Heart of Africa. ‘A gripping exploration of some of the worst African atrocities of the past 20 years’.
To be truthful I could only read it in small chunks.Some European countries should hang their heads in shame. To add, democracy comes from the mindset of the people, and in the ME together with Africa we should note that the worm here is Tribalism vs. Democracy.

Eyes Wide Open on August 27, 2011 at 6:01 pm

Qadaffi’s garb looks like the nightgown that Eva Gabor used to wear around the house, especially in the morning, on Green Acres. I don’t see Eb, or Sam Drucker, or Fred Ziffel (or Arnold) in the picture though.

CornCoLeo on August 27, 2011 at 6:05 pm

Ooops Skunky: ‘The graves are not yet full’, apologies for that. With the Congo being of interest to you,the full story of Patrice Lumumba’s murder will become clearer. His two sons have not let the matter die with their father and are now seeking the truth from the Belgian govt. A case was launched last year. Believe me, after reading this book you’ll never let a Belgian chocolate pass your lips again.

Eyes Wide Open on August 27, 2011 at 6:17 pm

Thanks so much Eyes. I’m gonna order it from Amazon. It seems like an incredible book.

I will also do a search on the latest on Patrice Lamumba. Danke!

Skunky on August 27, 2011 at 7:59 pm

The proper term is Al-CIA-da!

Bob Porrazzo on August 28, 2011 at 7:08 am

    @Bob Porrazzo

    My kind of humor, that’s pretty clever!

    CornCoLeo on August 28, 2011 at 7:58 pm

I’ve just read a whole lot of posts filed under your “muslim” tag, and all I can say is that you are a hateful person and all you inspire in me and anyone else with half a brain/a half- arsed understanding of humanitarianism and equality is BILE. You clearly have no understanding of culture or the Middle East, and you’re quite unashamedly racist. How those behaviors reconcile themselves as acceptable within your mind is beyond me.

Shakti Nambiar on August 28, 2011 at 10:13 am

I just had to add my two cents to the poster from 10:13 am this morning, dumbass why don’t you try and refute the whole article and also the entire facts. So what did you’re dumbass did, you attack the messenger for no reason, and did you heard this phrase “don’t throw stones at glass houses”, that’s what you did you putz! And all I read in you’re ignorant message was “yadda yadda yadda hateful hateful hateful yadda yadda yadda”, then there’s the typical of the “Boy Who Cried Wolf” by you mentioning “yadda yadda yadda racist racist racist yadda yadda yadda”! Let me ask you this question, what race is islam?

Apparently you don’t know squat about islam and what it represents, islam is an ideological-religious doctrine that most muslims follow (not all muslims). And to me, islam is not that true of a religion, if it was a religion do you think they’ll have honor killings, throwing acid into faces of females, female vaginal-mutilation, stoning of women if their either a rape vitcim or cheating on their husband/or boyfriend, killing of homosexauls and bi-sexuals, I can go on and on, but I’ll stop there. BTW Debbie Schlussel herself speaks very fluent arabic (even though she’s not arabic or middle eastern) and yes she’s studied alot of islamic culture and middle eastern culture as well. And since you called the woman a racist, I will through that word right back at you, you’re the one who’s the real racist, and I won’t be surprised if you’re a muslim yourself making all types of excuses for islam? And this is why we the people in this country are very skeptical and suspicious of you muslims on you’re behavior and also you’re own xenophobia on NOT assimilating to this countries values and principles!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on August 28, 2011 at 1:08 pm

If the new leader of Libya is AlQaeda, then he’ll soon go the way of Bin Laden.

Truth on August 29, 2011 at 11:56 am

Truth, ten years was a long wait. The violence and total disregard for human life by the nu-monster in charge is worse than shocking. There is an on-line video of an African screaming for mercy which ends in a gruesome hacking to pieces. Libya has many Africans who’ve come over the borders looking for work and others finding passages to Europe. Western govts. who’ve allowed this, should all be on trial.

http://blip.tv/clickfaster/al-qaeda-commander-of-nato-s-bloody-reign-of-terror-in-tripoli-is-the-monster-abdel-hakim-belhadj-aka-abdel-hakim-al-hasadi-friend-of-osama-bin-laden-former-us-pow-and-infamous-killer-of-us-soldiers-in-afghanistan-5502916

Eyes Wide Open on August 29, 2011 at 7:19 pm

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