June 29, 2009, - 11:57 am

Survey: America Has Lost the Culture War – Biggest Generation Gap Since Vietnam War (Led by Obama)

By Debbie Schlussel
A new Pew Research Center survey is disturbing and not for the reasons that it’s getting a lot of mainstream media attention.
The survey gauges views and opinions of several different age groups in America, and is being touted far and wide for showing that the older the age group, the older they consider the age at which “old age” begins. Well, that’s not surprising. And it’s not the important part of the survey.
This part, below, is the noteworthy part, and it shows we’ve lost the cultural war. Yes, I know, one survey–done by a left-skewing polling house–isn’t the end all, be all. But I think we all know that these results are accurate. The younger generations in America–our nation’s future–are liberal on most social issues. And it looks like Barack Hussein Obama is the godfather of it all (not that this is a surprise).


Even more scary, the poll found the biggest generation gap in these views since the Vietnam War.

Younger and older Americans see the world differently, creating the largest generation gap since the tumultuous years of the 1960s and the culture clashes over Vietnam, civil rights and women’s liberation.
A new study released Monday by the Pew Research Center found Americans of different ages increasingly at odds over a range of social and technological issues. It also highlights a widening age divide after last November’s election, when 18- to 29-year-olds voted for Democrat Barack Obama by a 2-to-1 ratio.
Almost eight in 10 people believe there is a major difference in the point of view of younger people and older people today, according to the independent public opinion research group. That is the highest spread since 1969, when about 74 percent reported major differences in an era of generational conflicts over the Vietnam War and civil and women’s rights. In contrast, just 60 percent in 1979 saw a generation gap.

One caveat: seeing a generation gap doesn’t mean there is one. But in this case, I think there is.

Asked to identify where older and younger people differ most, 47 percent said social values and morality. People age 18 to 29 were more likely to report disagreements over lifestyle, views on family, relationships and dating, while older people cited differences in a sense of entitlement. Those in the middle-age groups also often pointed to a difference in manners.

Those older people spot on.

Religion is a far bigger part of the lives of older adults. About two-thirds of people 65 and older said religion is very important to them, compared with just over half of those 30 to 49 and 44 percent of people 18 to 29.
In addition, among adults 65 and older, one-third said religion has grown more important to them over the course of their lives, while 4 percent said it has become less important and 60 percent said it has stayed the same.
“Around the notion of morality and work ethic, the differences in point of view are pretty much felt across the board,” said Paul Taylor, director of the Pew Social and Demographic Trends Project. He cited a greater tolerance among younger people on cultural issues such as gay marriage and interracial relationships.
Still, he noted that the generation gap in 2009 seems to be more tepid in nature than it was in the 1960s, when younger people built a defiant counterculture in opposing the Vietnam War and demanding equal rights for women and minorities.

Well, that’s a tiny silver lining in a huge, dark cloud. But it’s something.
“Today, it’s more of a general outlook, a different point of view, a general set of moral values,” Taylor said. . . .
Pew interviewed 2,969 adults by cell phone or landline from Feb. 23 to March 23. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.6 percentage points. In cases where older persons were too ill or incapacitated, their adult children were interviewed. Pew also used surveys conducted by Gallup, CBS and The New York Times to identify trends since 1969.
So, we’re losing the cultural war, or have already lost it. The question is, can we reverse the loss, as the Reagan Revolution did post-Vietnam?
It’s possible. But the way we’re going, I’m not so sure. We’re fast becoming Europe, with European “values.”
When even conservatives pick a woman as their standard bearer who exemplifies some of these “values,” has her hubby serving as Mr. Mom/Grandmom, and openly promotes her daughter’s baby mama status, good luck.

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Look on the bright side. Young people who voted for Jug Hussein Ears will get a chance to become members of another Greatest Generation as they get to live through another Great Depression, which will probably end as the first one did with a World War.
This time, instead of fighting Japan and Germany, young people will get to fight against radical Islam.
Hope. Change. New Great Depression.

West Dearbornistan on June 29, 2009 at 12:51 pm

Young people tend to lean left… usually when they get jobs and get married, then their views are changed by reality. The problem is the young who remain unmarried and childless for most of their lives aren’t going to change their views. So this country may become European for the reason Europe has undergone gentrification… a dearth of families.

NormanF on June 29, 2009 at 1:59 pm

The toilet has been and flushed and the turd is just spinning around the bowl now. The culture is gone. We have fallen over the edge and just waiting for impact. The whole PC agenda has emasculated the West and the rest of the world will follow. The problem is there are not enough conservatives to turn it around. Sure there will be pockets of conservatives and independents but the cities will run the nation. That’s how it is in Europe. There are pockets of old-time conservatives in the countryside. We will be a liberal fascist nation and those that are conservative and independent must recognize that the dark ages are coming. Whether a nation changes its president, the culture is going for the worst. Just be secure in your own convictions and laugh at the idiots trying to figure it out.

californiascreaming on June 29, 2009 at 3:50 pm

There’s a lot wrong with the accompanying picture. But, it’s what’s wrong with our sissified culture in general. Why should anyone have to sit still while a punk like that screams in ones ear? Symptomatic of the tolerance the over 30 crowd is forced to have and the younger generation is left blameless for NOT HAVING.
Society would be much better served with some old fashioned discipline injected into this plastic world we watch get worse every day. Libs would probably stand agape if the scenario played out with the red headed punk getting knocked senseless after the scream.

samurai on June 29, 2009 at 4:27 pm

The feminists and the Left have done a good deal to dissolve the traditional family and to replace traditional mores of behavior with a “if it feels good, just do it” vibe in the country. Debbie is right the culture war has probably been lost and once big government transforms the relationship between the people and the state into one more akin to that of a junkie and a pusher, it will be very difficult to put things back the way they were before.

NormanF on June 29, 2009 at 5:32 pm

“We should look to Jesus Christ for America’s salvation rather than Reagan, who was not a perfect paragon of virtue.”
I think you should try another website for that sort of thing. We are not evangelizing here, and the observation is pretty trite as well.

Worry01 on June 29, 2009 at 6:15 pm

I do not think the war is lost but it has been lost in the media and in our schools.
Just because the state run media only highlights the moron on the left does not make it so. Some of you need to get out and talk to regular folk that do not live in the big cities.
I think you would be surprised how many people are outraged with the current culture war by the left.Even in California there are a silent majority that have had it with the State Run Media and Schools. They are afraid to open their mouths thanks to the PC corporate world that would fire someone just for having a conservative opinion.
The federal Government has just about succeeded in forming the fascist underpinnings of communism, witness the takeover of banks and car manufacturers. Next will be big pharma and the health care industry if we do not stop the slide towards total fascism in America.
Frankly, I see a big backlash coming as millions lose their jobs and finally figure out that the Government has engineered this economic crisis to bring about the New World Order.

ScottyDog on June 29, 2009 at 6:17 pm

Your points are well-taken. Of course, there *was* much wrong with Reagan, and his career mostly derives from being lucky enough to run against weak and unpopular opponents.
His non-defense of Bork comes to mind, along with the nomination of Sandra Day O’Connor. But, perhaps his biggest fault was bringing the Bushes on the national scene.
At any rate, Reagan would not have won any recent election. If conservatives really want a role model, they should look to Robert Taft.

Red Ryder on June 29, 2009 at 6:51 pm

Debbie Schlussel wrote:
“So, we’re losing the cultural war, or have already lost it. The question is, can we reverse the loss, as the Reagan Revolution did post-Vietnam?
It’s possible. But the way we’re going, I’m not so sure. We’re fast becoming Europe, with European “values.”
When even conservatives pick a woman as their standard bearer who exemplifies some of these “values,” has her hubby serving as Mr. Mom/Grandmom, and openly promotes her daughter’s baby mama status, good luck.”
Two questions about Ronald Reagan:
First, didn’t he divorce his first wife?
Second, didn’t he oppose Prop 6, which would have banned homosexuals from teaching in public schools.

I ask these questions so conservatives keep the proper perspective. We should look to Jesus Christ for America’s salvation rather than Reagan, who was not a perfect paragon of virtue.

Fred2 on June 29, 2009 at 3:22 pm

Worry01Ö don’t be silly, those of us who are Christians are always evangelizing. We just don’t expect any of the Jews to be won over. Surprise us once it a while, will ya’?
Social commentators in the USA have failed to grasp the problem as it is laid bare before us. Protestantism isn’t returning. The Evangelicals are on their way out. They can’t reconcile themselves with certain scientific revelations, and seek to deny rather than reconcile scientific fact and faith. Adjustment, and a deeper understanding of their faith is absolutely necessary to skate their way around the harpoons of secular humanism, but it is beyond them. They don’t leave their church dramaticallyÖ it’s a slow blow-out. Maybe the busyness of life catches up to them, besides anything goes as a ProtestantÖ there are no moral absolutes, save against drinking, recreational drugs, bestiality, incest, and abortion. A few have figured out that fellatio is a very grave sin.
Theologically, it’s even more diverse. And more vacuous. How I love that word at the right time!
Evangelicals can’t side with the atheistic science ninnies, nor can they join their socially conscious, but spiritually dead liberal brothers, namely the Presbyterians, Episcopalians, and the Methodists etc. The Mainliners.
As they attend church irregularly, and their young adults struggle to continue at Good Book Baptist with mom and pop ( I mean they really want to stay), they just notice how many free-basing Christian groups there really are.
Lots. Which one is the right one? Or more right, than theirs??
It is an unease that they can’t quite shakeÖ even if Billy Graham told them it’s okay to stay right where they were.
And they feel so powerless on the world stage. Playground Christianity is where they live. They would collapse if they were exposed to the harshness and mercy of Catholicism, whereby deliberately missing Sunday Mass is a mortal sin, and damnable by hellfire unless repented. Even once! Over here, we don’t take what was done on the cross, lightly. And God isn’t only your buddy, He is also your judge. So tread lightly, O pompous and presumptuous ones.
The Catholic Church, as the one true church, is a reality they just can’t swallow. No matter how many missals I throw at them.
But if America is reformed, it will be because the Catholic Church in America has been reformed. As that one great saint said, “the Church is in constant need of reforming”, the moral high mark has been missedÖ by most. The call to personal holiness is real, and urgent. Fortunately, most of the theology, the average Catholic “gets”.
Hold Catholics accountable to their Catholic morality, and their renewed baptismal vows, and we might, might, be able to turn it all around.

The Canadien on June 29, 2009 at 8:16 pm

*sigh* Yep….the culture war has been a defeat. And my own generation is to blame for it.
What must a young guy like me do among the sea of psychonuts in my own generation?

Squirrel3D on June 29, 2009 at 10:15 pm

Deb, it’s called Continuity of Government. Bush and Obama are the same coin on separate sides. The war on terror? BWAHAHAHAHA. If the War on Terror is true, then why: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121305642257659301.html and why is Obama continuing it today? Because the skin may be different,, but the idea, you know, the former Nazi cabal today, Bilderberg, is still controlling that puppet. We need Democrats and Republicans to take back the party of the Nazi-loving Bilderberg will take over America.

KOAJaps on June 29, 2009 at 11:41 pm

Found the following comment on another political site discussing the future of Conservatism. Thought it would be pertinent here:
“Conservatism can’t be warmed over liberalism. But it does has to be updated and reinvented–or the game is up. Fiscal responsibility, smaller government, personal responsibility, strong defense–all of these things can be pillars holding up a newer, bigger, more humane (less corporate) tent that also celebrates a broader diversity of new ideas, minorties and creeds. To follow these frightened, angry old dudes back into that stupid myth of Mayberry–1950s, small-town, parochial, gun-toting, whitebread ‘real America’–is simply political suicide. Yo, dudes: Open your eyes. Mayberry is not America anymore! It stoped being America when Goober’s gas pumping job got eliminated by swipe-and-go technology and the gas station itself was swallowed by a multinational corporation based in Amsterdam. It stopped being America when seventeen languages started being spoken at Mayberry High. You can’t turn back the clock. Don’t be delusional. Embrace the new Mayberry and engage with it–because it is the real battlefield of ideas today. Sarah Palin will not save or doom the GOP. The GOP’s fossilized old guard–terrified of change, and sunk in fantasies of the past–will doom the GOP.”
— Rationalist

observer on June 30, 2009 at 1:00 am

“Worry01Ö don’t be silly, those of us who are Christians are always evangelizing. We just don’t expect any of the Jews to be won over. Surprise us once it a while, will ya’?”
The Canadien:
I hate to burst your bubble, but I am not Jewish. Also, most Christians know the time and place for evangelism, and it is not everytime you can trap someone in a restroom stall. Doing something is not the same as doing something well or effectively. Of course, true evangelism requires thought and prudence. I would refer you to the Book of Acts as a refresher.

Worry01 on June 30, 2009 at 1:03 am

Right, more tepid? Today we’re becoming Europe. I lived there. I don’t want anything to do with the Western Europeans. That’s no silver lining. Maybe just the fact that people aren’t afraid of that shows how ignorant both sides are.
This country, as it was intended, is gone. The solution is to split the country. The two sides are totally opposite. The problem is human nature and multiculturalism and also Marxist subversion. Split it before we can’t.
Human beings need to learn, once again, that we’re tribal people. We’ve been through this before on this planet and our modern have destroyed what so many people died for because of their dream of a Utopian Fantasy. You cannot ignore nature.

JP on June 30, 2009 at 12:02 pm

meant “modern leaders”

JP on June 30, 2009 at 12:03 pm

I do not think we are lost, but the moderates and conservatives have got to get their acts together or we will be

mindy1 on June 30, 2009 at 7:17 pm

Worry01… You forgot prayer. But your crowd is used to going it alone, on your own power, failing to notice that God IS NOT with you.
Catholics believe that one just needs to let the Faith out of it’s cage and it can take care of itself. God doesn’t need me or you to achieve His end. God converts, we are only conduits.
Those who are meant to be saved, will be. Those who go to Hell, made their choice, against God’s manifest will. And they hear His voice, no matter how much they rebel or how far they wander.
Oh… one more thing, do not think that you have anything to teach me about evangelization or the Book of Acts.

The Canadien on July 3, 2009 at 5:19 am

I loved how a reader dissed “atheist science ninnies”. Is the idea that you should form your opinions through the judicious study of observable reality that offensive to you conservatives?

The world is lucky to have its liberals, namely, the people who realize that ethics is about the here and now, and not about placating some nebulous sky deity.

Boy, I pity you people.

Frik on August 30, 2009 at 9:51 pm

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