November 19, 2012, - 5:04 pm

The Chicago Way – That’s How You Get HAMAS; Before You Get Too Excited About the War w/ HAMAS

By Debbie Schlussel

You said you wanted to know how to get HAMAS. Do you really wanna get ‘em? You see what I’m saying? What are you prepared to do? . . . If you open the ball on these people, you must be prepared to go all the way. Because they won’t give up the fight until one of you is dead. . . . Wanna get HAMAS? Here’s how you get ‘em. They pull a knife, you pull a gun. They send one of yours to the hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue. That’s the Chicago Way. And that’s how you get HAMAS. Do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that? . . . The Lord hates a coward.

–paraphrasing Sean Connery as Jim Malone in “The Untouchables

Okay, so Connery’s Malone wasn’t talking to Eliot Ness about getting HAMAS. He was talking about getting mobster Al Capone. But the message is the same, even if the cockroaches attacking Israel are far less honorable. Unless you are willing to fight HAMAS to the finish and turn Gaza into a parking lot, you’ll never beat ‘em. They will keep arising from the ashes like cancer that has metastasized. It’s unstoppable, unless you really want to fight a war. And Israel won’t do that (in part because the world will never allow it, while the world allows HAMAS and the rest of the Muslim world to continue its jihad, unhindered, against the Jews, Israel, Christians, America, and the West). My late father used to always get upset about these “mini-skirmishes” because he knew that Israeli soldiers’ lives would be lost but that Israel would never finish the job and HAMAS and the Palestinians would quickly return, rejuvenated, to their old terror ways. And I’ve been upset about it, too, over the years.


Only One Side is Committed to Totally Defeating the Other & Only That Side Has International Approval to Keep Pursuing That Jihad

Before you get too excited that, this time, Israel will do the job, read my words from late 2008 when Israel fought back against HAMAS and did just as I predicted then, and as I predict will happen now. It’s a waste of Israeli lives and more Israelis will die if Israel doesn’t finish HAMAS off by killing a lot of people and blowing up a lot of buildings and homes. Sadly, Israel will beg off and give in to a ceasefire. Yes, in 2008, Tzipi Livni, who was much farther to the left than current Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu is, was running the show and she was desperate to win an election in which she was far behind Netanyahu, so Israeli soldiers’ and their lives were accessories for what was essentially a deadly campaign commercial for her. But, sadly, Israel will do the same now as it did then. How sad, how predictable that the same old thing holds true. From my December 28, 2008 column, “Don’t Get Too Excited About the Phony Baloney, Temporary Israeli ‘War’ vs. HAMAS“–remember, I said all of this nearly four years ago, and is business as usual:

I’ve been getting a number of e-mails from readers cheering on the current Israeli strikes on HAMAS and Gaza in response to HAMAS’ katusha rocket attacks on Israel. And to those readers, I say, Don’t Get Too Excited. . . . Anyone who thinks this latest “salvo” against HAMAS is of any significance whatsoever, really doesn’t know much about Israel and hasn’t been paying attention to goings on there for the last couple of decades, especially the last several years.

There have been many of these occasion, temporary Israeli attacks on HAMAS or temporary blockades of funds or supplies to Gaza. And they are a waste of time because Israel doesn’t mean business. Eventually, Israel backs down and stops and allows HAMAS to get “refueled” with supplies, money, etc. And yet the HAMAS attacks never end.


You must ask yourself why Israel suddenly chose to strike back now after years of HAMAS sending these rockets to kill the poor, working-class Israelis of Sderot–-most of them descendants of Jews expelled from their homes and property in Arab Muslim countries. Why did it not matter that HAMAS sent rockets every day to kill Jews during the faux-truce and before then? Why does it suddenly matter now? What was different about now versus two months ago or two months from now? . . .

This “war”–-which is really no war at all, since there is no intent to win and no inclination to continue this with any sort of relentlessness to defeat HAMAS and its entire support network in Gaza (almost all of the Gaza population)–-is show business meant for an Israeli electorate. . . .

If Israel really meant business, it would have invaded and attacked Gaza long ago. Or rather, it would never have pulled out of there in the first place. It would have expelled the Gazans to Arab countries, the way the residents of Sderot’s parents–-who are once again under attack by Muslims–-were kicked out by those countries. All of these things would have saved Israeli lives. But that’s not what this is about.

If Israel consistently attacked HAMAS, it would be great. But that’s not what the post-modern (and post-Israel) Israelis do. In a week or two, they’ll be letting through “supplies” and making a new fake “truce”–either official or de facto–and releasing more Palestinian terrorists to show “good will.” That’s what they always do. It will make thi––as it does all of their brief, temporary attacks on HAMAS–-meaningless.

You do not kill cancer by occasionally going through chemo or radiation when you want to look good at a Bar Mitzvah, after the metastasis is already happening. You kill cancer through regular treatment of the attacking cells, not by self-amputating your arm and leaving the cancer cells to fester on the remaining stump. That is what this ephemeral “war” on Gaza/HAMAS is. Nothing more.

And nothing to cheer about. . . . [I]n the long run, they [HAMAS] are winning.

The Muslims not only have the will to survive, but to attack relentlessly their Jewish (and Christian) enemies. Israelis only have the will to get re-elected and take a siesta on Dizengoff Street and the discos of Tel Aviv.

Like I said, not much has changed in four years. And it will be the same each time because Israel will never really fight a war to finally win–once and for all–against HAMAS.

I said it then. I say it now.

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It won’t happen.

Sure, they’ll destroy most of Hamas armaments’ and kill a couple of big fish but Israel will never be allowed to topple the Hamas’ regime in Gaza.

The world hates the Jews and loves their Islamic terrorist enemies. That’s why Hamas will live on to fight Israel another day.

“Mowing the grass” isn’t the kind of victory Israel needs but there isn’t the option of really winning because the world won’t allow Israel to win a war.

NormanF on November 19, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    Debbie is partially right. Israel needs to go much farther than just keep striking back indefinitely. Israel needs to drop some small nuclear bombs on Gaza and keep on dropping them until 99% of the terrorists are dead. The whole world knows that Israel has nuclear weapons so why keep playing the “secret game” of “we don’t have nuclear weapons”.

    After that you warn all terrorists that for every rocket they shoot towards Israel, Israel will fire a nuclear weapon into that area where the enemy rocket came from. That would end all conflicts forever.

    Is Netanyahu willing to do that? No, I don’t think so. Therefore Israel will continue to suffer until Jesus comes to save them. There is no other solution. Only God can kill 1.5 billion Muslims, and someday God will do exactly that. So there is really nothing to fret about. Put you trust in God and Jesus, God’s only begotten Son.Then all will be well!!

    Last word on November 20, 2012 at 12:40 pm

Not just that, but everytime these scumbags survive they become ever more emboldened and more difficult to fight the next time.

IAM: Exactly! And they proclaim “victory” over Israel. DS

I_AM_ME on November 19, 2012 at 5:37 pm

Sadly, I couldn’t agree more! Wouldn’t it be wonderful if this time they meant it, cleaned the place out of the barbarians and let the wonderful families of Gush Katif move back in to rebuild their homes, businesses, synagogues and schools that were burned to the ground seven years ago! If only!!!!!

Rebecca on November 19, 2012 at 5:54 pm

A truce or cease fire is a foregone conclusion. Israelis don’t want a ground war, particularly the draft evaders in Tel Aviv, and the leaders are upset because the Islamic world in the form of Egypt and Turkey does not like them.

Once again, they will not finish the job.

Jonathan E. Grant on November 19, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    Jon,

    I agree!

    Wash, cycle, rinse & repeat.

    There’ll be another war in the next five years.

    NormanF on November 19, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Jon, except for the TA Yuppies, OH YES WE DO!!!!!!!!!! We’ve had enough now and really hope they finish it this time.

    Italkit on November 20, 2012 at 12:05 am

Hamas is like weeds… you have to mow it down.

Getting rid of it for good?

I’d like it but I know its just a pleasant fantasy!

NormanF on November 19, 2012 at 6:01 pm

Why not treat the children of the SS while they are at it?

From the Jerusalem Post:

Breaking News 23:34 U_

JPost.com
Health & Science

Israel’s hospitals continue to treat Gazan patients

By JUDY SIEGEL-ITZKOVICH

11/19/2012 05:25

Rambam dir.-gen.: It’s absurd that we are doing this at the same time Israelis are being attacked, but there is no other way.
Photo: Baz Ratner/Reuters

Israeli hospitals are treating dozens of patients of all ages who came to Israel from Gaza to get healthcare unavailable there, and are making provisions for accompanying persons.

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Helping rocket victims stressing health support

“We at Rambam Medical Center are taking care of sick children and adults, and we are not looking at their religion or where they come from. At the moment, we have four – a baby girl in the nephrology department, two children in oncology and an adult in urology,” Rambam director-general Prof. Rafael Beyar said.

“Family members accompanied them,” he said. “It’s absurd that we are doing this at the same time Israelis are being attacked, but there is no other way. We are used to it. We are very far from politics.”

Working in Haifa, Beyar was “extremely upset” when he learned that Arab students at the University of Haifa last week stood for a “moment of silence” when Ahmed Jabari, the military chief of Hamas, was killed by the IDF.

“I just can’t accept that,” he said.

Beyar also said that he had received no reports of any tension among Jewish and Arab personnel in his medical center. “We are used to working together to save lives.”

The Hadassah University Medical Center in Jerusalem’s Ein Kerem said that in the past month, it has hospitalized six Gazan patients.

Sheba Medical Center at Tel Hashomer said that it provides medical center to several dozen Palestinians each month, and even now, there is no change. Most are children who are hospitalized for long periods or youngsters who underwent treatment and return periodically for followup, Sheba spokesman Amir Marom told The Jerusalem Post.

“Just two days ago, a nineyear- old girl from Gaza who was hurt in her palm was brought to Sheba. Her father is an Arab journalists who writes from Gaza for an Israeli newspaper. She was accompanied by her mother. An Israeli boy who was wounded by a Gazan rocket that fell in Kiryat Malachi last week is in the same room with a Gazan girl whose fingers were amputated due to injury,” Marom said. “We regard our hospital as a bridge to peace.”

Tel Aviv Sourasky Medical Center said 50 patients and their accompanying relatives from Gaza are now hospitalized – both children and adults. Most of them are cancer patients.

The relatives live in the hospital’s hotel, and there is a hospital employee who serves as a contact person and helps them.

Medical treatment for Gaza residents allowed into Israel is paid for by the Palestinian Authority or by other bodies, including the Peres Center for Peace.

Jonathan E. Grant on November 19, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    Jon,

    Moshe Feiglin is opposed to a ground operation. I happen to agree with him it won’t change anything.

    It doesn’t make sense to waste Israeli lives if Israel is not going to take it back permanently.

    I too, believe Gaza is part of the Land Of Israel. Israel should never have pulled out of there in the first place!

    But an Israeli government that gives its Islamic enemies welfare and cash transfer in kind payments is not going to be motivated to defeat them.

    In the end, nothing will change when another “hudna” is concluded between Israel and Hamas.

    NormanF on November 19, 2012 at 6:54 pm

      He’s a fool, but I knew that 4 years ago. There have been planes all night. We MUST go in on the ground and FINISH this now!!!!!!!!
      What is making me totally sick is not even that we are treating them in our hospitals, because that is in accord with the Geneva Accords on POWS. The problem is we’re not calling them POWS and we’re resupplying them on the ground!!!!!!!! We need to stop the food shipments immediately. I can hear Napoleon rolling in his grave from here. You want a population to surrender, you put them under siege conditions and first and foremost is food. You stop it from getting to them, you cut off water although we have to be careful not to convert infrastructure land use over to Egyptian use which is a real possibility if we cut them off. People suggest cutting electricity cause they need it for the rocket launchers but it’s better to knock out the launchers with air strikes.

      Italkit on November 20, 2012 at 12:11 am

It’s certainly not gonna happen with Obama-Putin as the “Leader Of The Free World”. Just look at his Libyan fiasco (and why isn’t that manly Samantha Power freak called out for HER role in the Libyan fiasco? She isn’t blamed and she isn’t even NAMED!!!) and Egypt and what Turkey is getting away with.

Why even get excited? It’s like Lucy and Charlie Brown and the football.

It’s a new world now. The water is still warm but eventually it’s gonna heat up. And that’s when the rolling of the eyes and gnashing of the teeth will begin. It’s gonna be 100% nauseating.

Skunky on November 19, 2012 at 6:07 pm

The Hebrew people should leave Israel the day the U.S. gives America back to the Native Americans.

Of course the Arab nations who kicked the Jewish people out of their countries in the forties will be returning their property back to them,right?

The United Nations and Great Britain created Israel,so why haven’t the “palestinians” directed their anger at those bodies?

E: Agreed. However, the difference is that there have been Jews living in Israel for thousands of years, whereas the “Palestinians” are a newly invented “people.” Native Americans were in America, first, though they came over the Bering Strait. So Jews’ right to Israel is far more solid than Americans’ right to America. DS

ebayer on November 19, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    And the “Hebrews” got to Israel via Iraq so the Native Americans arriving over the Bering Straits, which is now questionable, is just as valid even if it came later because the only thing on the American Continents at the time were Buffalo and other four legged animals. BTW, there’s a good possibility *some* of the Nations are descended from the Northern Israelite tribes.

    Italkit on November 20, 2012 at 12:15 am

    Dear ebayer: You look at books and magazine articles about the Mid-East situation, written immediately after the 6 Day War. You will find reference after reference to ARAB refugees, no reference to PALESTINIAN refugees. Occasionally, when an author wants to differentiate between the Arabs in Judea and Samaria and the Arabs in Egypt or Jordan or Lebanon, he will use the term “Palestinian.” During the Mandatory Period, hundreds of thousands of JEWS were PALESTINIANS. The idea of the “Palestinians” as a separate people, entitled to a separate homeland, besides Jordan, is a very recent one. If they’ve come to feel themselves a separate people, entitled to a separate homeland, the Israelis keep offering them one, if they’ll just agree to quit killing Jews for five minutes.

    By the way, the United Nations and Great Britain did not create Israel. Great Britain hacked off 4/5ths of Mandatory Palestine, in 1921, to create Jordan, wanted to partition Palestine-what was left of it-into Jewish and Arab states in 1937, fought tooth and nail to keep Jews out of Palestine from 1938 to 1948 (ever hear of the “Patria?” The “Struma?” The “Exodus?”), and, when, in 1947, the U.N. voted to partition Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, the United Kingsom ABSTAINED.

    I do agree that, before the U.S. says a word about Israel giving back land, they should give the United States back to the Native Americans. Not only that: Spain should be given back to the Basques, Sweden to the Lapps, Japan to the Ainus. Until those things happen, none of those countries has any right to say a word about Israel giving back land.

    Miranda Rose Smith on November 20, 2012 at 5:33 am

I am never happy when ground troops are used in this modern era. Pretty unnecessary. Air could take care of everything. Period. Prayers.

samurai on November 19, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    Evidently not, Samurai since it has not stopped Hamas so far.

    Italkit on November 20, 2012 at 12:16 am

Skunky, the problem is not Barky. The problem is not American presidents or politicians. Kissinger was right when he said something to the effect of “all politics in Israel is domestic.” (This echoes the saying that “all politics is local.”)

There are all sorts of ways that Gaza could be cleansed of its Bnei Amalek. Israel’s elite stratum actually spends much effort and resources keeping the Amalekites around. For one thing, Muslim hostility makes sure that Israel is in a perpetual war where elementary liberties can be denied to Jews under the wartime conditions. Also, no group of elites benefits from Halachic approaches to the Muslims. Such approaches would undermine the elite’s own filthy opportunism. The only time “rabbis” are empowered is when they keep their mindless minions under control.

That’s why I just don’t bother keeping up on the day-to-day happenings of Israel anymore. They are predictable. It’s also predictable that there will eventually be a full-fledged multi-front war that will, more likely than not, lead directly or indirectly (via nuclear weapons) to a new Holocaust. Don’t worry, though. Bibi et al. will be airlifted to safety with the Israeli treasure in tow.

skzion on November 19, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Skzion, I don’t disagree with you on some points but Obama-Putin has single-handedly weakened the ME. Egypt? Libya? His little talks about trying to help Syria?

    Obama-Putin is weak and has been from day one 4 years ago (& compound that by the Liberal, wimpy, clusterf**k ways of GWB). He may feel kismet with the Jihadis but they know he is a weak and ridiculous “kaffir” and they are gaining ground via his weakness.

    Things are escalating at a super-fast pace since November 6th. To deny that the weakness of Obama-Putin does not embolden the sicko Moooooslim freaks is foolish. He’s gonna be the cause of many people suffering the world over. It’s coming. The water is just warm now but it will be getting hot soon.

    Skunky on November 19, 2012 at 9:05 pm

      Skunky, I fully agree that Barky has weakened the ME. I just don’t think that Israel’s actions can be explained even in part by Barky. From the very beginning of modern Israel, Jews there have tried desperately to keep the Muslims there, well pandered to. No US president forced Dayan to give the Waqf keys to the Temple Mount.

      The eery similarity, decade after decade, of this policy cannot be explained by any American president’s actions.

      I also don’t know that Egypt is more of a threat now than it was under Mubarek, as far as Israel is concerned (it’s worse for the US, though). Egypt was actively involved in arms trafficing in Gaza. Its military was organized around one enemy, Israel. Now it should, in principle, be easier to de-fund Egypt.

      skzion on November 20, 2012 at 10:34 am

        Skzion, I agree with you on your point on Israel. No doubt about it. It’s very frustrating. Just the USA Propaganda is giving me fits.

        I think Egypt (since it has been taken over by the MB) is going to do what it can to assist in ridding the world of Israel. And I think peeps should keep an eye on Turkey too. They are partaking in shenanigans and our Marxist regime is letting them get away with heaps of stuff. One part weak Obama-Putin and another part a Obama-Putin Regime that sides with the Jihadis.

        Skunky on November 20, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Yaa, sk, you could call what happens Prophetically a Holocaust but just like 60% of European Jews survived the last one, a % will survive the final one but it’s going to be fewer of us, maybe 30%. Labels are unimportant. We have to live the best lives we can and be prepared. I have no shelter to run to, btw. If rockets come to my area, I’m in a trailer and I don’t have the mobility to get to the nearest public shelter. I have plan to avoid the worst of the flying glass and if it’s not a direct hit, I’ll probably be ok but if I start worrying about what Bibi is going to do for me, I might as well just stroke out now and go to my reward painlessly. I have to believe.

    Italkit on November 20, 2012 at 12:21 am

      Yeah, Italkit, the news isn’t good.

      skzion on November 20, 2012 at 10:36 am

skzion spewed forth:

Don’t worry, though. Bibi et al. will be airlifted to safety with the Israeli treasure in tow.

Because the Netanyahu family are traitors to Israel for not killing every muslim in Eretz Yisrael, right? Or how about Bibi’s brother who died at Entebbe, he was also a traitor, right?

What Israeli treasure? Shekels? You think like a Nazi. Are you a self-hating Jew?

I do know one thing though, you are one sick SOB.

FrenchKiss on November 19, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Another dumb, mindless attack from Kisser.

    skzion on November 20, 2012 at 10:41 am

For Bibi,a day in his life has enormous Biblical
and worldly significance.Every breath he takes is
for himself and all Judaism now and forever.
Gaza was Sharon’s karmic payback and Bibi will not
defame his Father’s memory by being weak and stupid.
His family and all our families have too much invested
to let them take what we’ve been promised.
If he is true to his Father and Yoni,may they rest
knowing he will do the right thing, and not live in
shame like Gilad Sharon.

Jay on November 19, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Jay, every day he says we are “open” to diplomacy, he dishonors them. It is the direct opposite of what Debbie’s post recommends to do. WEAK I don’t think he has the steel of his father and Yoni, to be honest, but he has partnered with Lieberman for the election and hopefully Lieberman will keep Netanyahu on track with finishing it. Lieberman does believe 2 states are possible but I like him because he does have the courage of his convictions and he fully believes there should be an Arab Free Israel for Jews. I don’t think I will vote for him unless he changes his mind about 2 states and I really don’t want more Bibi and his Likud retreads.

    Italkit on November 20, 2012 at 12:26 am

Debbie, this is the perfect comparison because Mafia-Think is Arab-Think. I’ve said this many times before but not being a movie person, I don’t communicate in that medium. I guess that’s what it takes to get thru to people. Learn it and learn it well, this Malone speaks the truth as to the mentality that’s required.

Italkit on November 20, 2012 at 12:00 am

Debbie , do you really believe Israel doesn’t want to win this?
Do you really think this is political theater for B B?
The Hammasnicks escalated the rocket attacks right after Obama won re-election. And, Israel is going to do whatever the US tells them to do, up to a point. Gaza is not that point. A radio active Iraq and Syria was, and they were delt with. You can make the point that since rockets have reached TA and Jerusalem, the Israelie’s may want to take this up a noch and dam the US relations. But, my guess is that they’ll still hold back if Obama wants them to stay off the ground. But, I have to disagree that this is theater to bolster an election.
It’s real life and in real life you sometimes have to make decisions that will allow you to live with your friendly neighbors.

Harry Feuerwerker on November 20, 2012 at 12:19 am

The Jew Of The Nations has only nominal sovereignty.

Israel will never be allowed to win a war. At best Israel can keep things from getting worse but it will never allowed to either to live in peace.

The world may not care about the slaughter of 30,000+ Arabs in Syria but it wants to make sure the Jews know their place.

And the Jews will meekly swallow the humiliation imposed upon them by the Jew-hating world because they have no real choice in the matter.

NormanF on November 20, 2012 at 1:19 am

“show business meant for an Israeli electorate”? … if this is true, they are as stupid as the people that re-elected Obama.

If they don’t send in the troops, and use extreme prejudice against opposition, they deserve the rockets. They know their enemies are motivated by Jihad, and all the theology of Mohammed. Ergo, let the killing begin.

“Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats” -H. L. Mencken

“Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori” roughly translated into English as: “It is sweet and fitting to die for one’s country.

“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf” – George Orwell

Dr Dale on November 20, 2012 at 1:27 am

It’s all nice and well for you guys who live in the US (where most stuff, from cars down to gas costs HALF as much as the exact same stuff here) to tell us Israelis that we should incur the wrath of the international community…

Yes, it’s not much of a community but Israel’s economy is export and knowledge based… If Israel is made into an international pariah Israel won’t survive… That’s what behind BDS!…

Change the world and Israel will deal with Hamas appropriately… Until then Israel will need to occasionally “mow the lawn”… Simply because it won’t survive “paving the lawn”…

Hans on November 20, 2012 at 1:56 am

And Israel won’t do that (in part because the world will never allow it, while the world allows HAMAS and the rest of the Muslim world to continue its jihad, unhindered, against the Jews, Israel, Christians, America, and the West).

Years ago, when Ehud Olmert was still Prime Minister, I sent him a letter saying that Israel’s only hope of survival was to tell the U.N. to go **** itself with a fire extinguisher.

Miranda Rose Smith on November 20, 2012 at 5:11 am

For years I argued that in war “Israel is not allowed to win, and the Arabs are not allowed to lose”. They don’t go as far as Olmert who publicly claimed that Israel was “tired of fighting, tired of defeating her enemies”, but has internalized that they operate under different constraints. The same countries urging “restraint” on Israel behaved quite differently when a few mortars were lobbed from Syria over the Turkish border and Turkey responded with an artillery barrage.

Israel is therefore fighting what I call War Lite, with even more hesitancy than in 2008-2009. In that three week war, some 700 fighters from Hamas and IJ were killed. So far, perhaps 50-60 have been taken out out of more than 20,000. The enemy sees Israel isn’t serious, believing they only have to hold out a few more days before Israel holds its fire and they can declare victory. Recognizing that, Israel’s Feiglin is opposing a ground war, pushing instead for a cut-off of electricity, most of which Israel provides. That wouldn’t cost lives, but it would show Israel is serious. (Many Israel-haters would describe such an action is cruel, but millions around NYC went without power for weeks after Sandy.)

As if to complete the picture, Debka (yeah, I know – not always reliable) is reporting a ship is currently en route carrying fresh supplies of rockets, including a newer Fajr-5, intended for Gaza. Once upon a time such a ship would be sunk, but not today. No one is serious – not the US or NATO, not Israel, not Egypt. That only means a future confrontation will be even more deadly.

Raymond in DC on November 20, 2012 at 6:19 am

Italkit & ebayer
There is a whole lot of migrating back to where they came from if one went by those standards

For starters, the Europeans are largely decendents of Barbarian invaders who invaded from the East – how about sending the bulk of them back to Siberia? Native Americans too – send them back across the Bering Straits to Siberia, and empty out North America. Send Turks back to the Central Asiatic stans, from where they originated.

But the biggest one – Arabs don’t belong anywhere outside the Arabian peninsula. Iraq & Syria should be turned back to the Assyrians, Lebanon to the Phoenicians, Egypt to the Copts, Mahgreb to the Berbers, Sudan to the Nubians.

And I was going by ethnic demarcations here. If we go by religious demarcations, since the Arabs presumably would be happy to keep Jews who converted to Islam, then all Muslims in the world should move back to the Arabian peninsula. Give Persia back to the Zoroastrians, Afghanistan/Pakistan/Bangladesh back to the Buddhists and Malaysia/Indonesia back to the Hindus. And North Africa to the Animists and Central Asia to the Daoists, Buddhists and Shamans.

Wonder if the world’s 1.5 billion Muslims would be willing to move to Saudi Arabia, and force them to share the relentless oil bounty – since the 70s, $10T has changed hands. Shouldn’t that sort of endless cash be enough to support them all there?

Infidel on November 20, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Infidel I was just commenting to Debbie that there’s just as much validity to the Native claims to the Americas as there is for Israel to claim our native land. Just because ours is earlier is irrelevant. They were the indigenous people there and some of their traditions say they were led to those areas by their “Great Spirit” as were we.

    Anyway: http://www.timesofisrael.com/rocket-lands-south-of-jerusalem-no-injuries-or-damage/

    Italkit on November 20, 2012 at 8:40 am

Just watch the “News” on TV. Pure Hamas talking points. From Little Andy Cooper to Fake (Fox) News, the mantra is the same: “Israel is kiling women and children just because a few rockets were fired by (Militants) into Israel, Etc.” We see the usual fake pictures of dead people in Gaza – who miraculously get up and walk away after the cameras are turned off. Poor little Andy Cooper had to recant one of these phony stories – he got from the BBC. So much for “Journalism” today. Hamas wins the P.R. war and Israel loses. Our fearless leader living in public housing at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. has spoken with Netanyahu by phone from Burma where he is busy hugging the ladies and eating Thai food. I’m sure he told Netanyahu, “Back off my homeboys in hamas, hesbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood, or I’ll cut off the shipment of spare parts for your military.” So ends any defense of Israel. Q.E.D. Now, Hillary is on her way to the Middle East. No matter what she does – good, bad, or indifferent – she will be praised to the skies by our state run media. After all, the campaign to make her POTUS is well under way. Heaven help us all. Pray for Israel.

herbster on November 20, 2012 at 9:10 am

Sadly, DS was right four years ago and DS is right now. Victory or Containment. EisenhowerKennedyNixonLBJCarter or Ronald Reagan who was reviled until the Berlin Wall came down.

bobguzzardi on November 20, 2012 at 9:27 am

The fact is, HAMAS will never achieve its twin goals of destroying Israel and murdering the Jews who live there. Israel is a technological and economic superstate, which will always create new and innovate ways to ward-off whatever threat the Iranians devise, with one exception of course. The threat of nuclear annihilation is very real, and Israel must focus its energies there.

The other emerging threat would be a Turkish-Egyptian joint ground attack. That one could require nuclear deterrence, and I would hope the Israelis are war-gaming it.

Adam on November 20, 2012 at 9:34 am

A PROPOSED 3 OPTION SELECTION FOR RESOLUTION:

1. Israel, like the “Terminator”, could always reply to these barbarians – “I’ll be back!”. This will only delay another conflict as been noted above, but it does not signify capitulation.

2. Israel could take the “Conan” position of what is good in life:

“Mongol General: What is best in life?

Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.”

Conan the Barbarian (http://www.great-quotes.com/quotes/movie/Conan+the+Barbarian)

This position, again as previously noted, opens Israel to increased World hatred even though the position is justified.

3. Israel SHOULD just buy the BAJA PENINSULA outright and/or work a deal of autonomy with Mexico. The U.S. will NEVER ALLOW it to be invaded.

As for all the calls to revert lands to previous so-called owners, well, shit happens…get over it…and quit blaming today’s people for what happened ages ago. Today’s people can only attempt to be honest in their dealings with all others, but today’s people have no right to demand others pay for what some define and deem as “social justice” for historically negative events. Any compensation decision is for the individual to voluntarily decide whether or not to act upon that information.

ISRAEL…YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE ARE IN MY THOUGHTS…BE SAFE.

Dennis

Dennis on November 20, 2012 at 9:57 am

Israel and Jews n general make the same mistake over and over again. They are always too nice to the enemy. Just like the evil so called prophet Muhammed. He made a treaty with Jewish tribes of Medina when he was weak. When he became strong he destroyed those tribes and took the women and children and converted them.

Today no jews in Saudia Arabia and no remnants of Jewish life in Medina. Another mistake was by the idiot Moshe Dyan for not destroying the AL-Aqsa mosque. The only solution is to actively bomb civilian areas until they leave for the wet bank and some other islamic country.

Glen Benjamin on November 20, 2012 at 10:02 am

Sad to say, but this current situation is the predictable outcome of a state founded largely by Lefty flower children. Things might be a bit different now if the Stern Gang had run the government in the first place.

Red Ryder on November 20, 2012 at 10:04 am

debbie the world will ever let israel win a war

MARTIN POTASHNER on November 20, 2012 at 10:54 am

Islam is a cult whose mainsaty is envy and jealousy of all successful people. They pride themselves on putrified brains, violence,hate and envy. That is all you need to know about Islam

G. R. SCHAROUBIM on November 20, 2012 at 11:43 am

It’s going to take a complete change of our minds. We’ve (the US) become a nation of girly boys and equivocators. We can’t even name an enemy and we let testosterone-deprived corporate shills tell us how to fight wars. Maybe we’ll have to become something we don’t like for a while, but so what? We can’t be nice little politically correct multicultural whiners and fight wars. And, please don’t take this the wrong way, Debbie, but, guys, fellow men, why do we have to come to a website written by a woman to hear the things men should be saying?! Yeah, I know, some of them do, but not enough, and many of the so-called anti-Islamist sites are also equivocators, apologists and afraid to straight talk about Islam and what it will take to prevail over it. Roy Kurban had a saying he instilled in his students … “Never let a mortal defeat you” … We need to learn to understand that and feel it in our bones. We have a long way to go because we’re not men any longer. Start waking up today, now. Learn to defend yourselves in armed and unarmed combat. The Muslims are. If we’re not, we’re choosing to be victims.

Pray Hard on November 20, 2012 at 11:55 am

    “Debbie, but, guys, fellow men, why do we have to come to a website written by a woman to hear the things men should be saying?!”

    Debbie is just following in the footsteps of her namesake, Prophetess Devorah who had to contend with girly man BARAK (Book of Judges) to go win a war. He wouldn’t leave his safe place unless she marched into battle with him. It is always thus. When the men don’t get the job done, G-d uses us women.

    Italkit on November 20, 2012 at 12:08 pm

      Yes, Italkit, the parallel between Debbie and Devorah is well taken.

      skzion on November 20, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    Pray, not only did I NOT take what you said the wrong way I so know what you mean. That’s why this website is the only place I know that is not afraid to tell the truth.

    The wimpy PC equivocating is nauseating. I am sick of it and I know it when I see it (which is often).

    Skunky on November 20, 2012 at 1:10 pm

Instead of a few passenger ships that Obama is sending it would increase the probability of them getting rid of Hamas if we backed their play with two carrier groups including one pointed at Turkey who has thrown out any Kemalist in power and now must be considered to be a enemy as bad as Iran.

Jonathan Gartner on November 20, 2012 at 12:04 pm

Debbie… spot on! But Israel (nor we) will do this. We have forgotten what it took to build Western civilization. When Otto the Great met the Hungarians on the Lech in 956, he didn’t make deals with them. When the battle was over he publicly hanged their two leaders who tried to flee when their army was beaten. That brought an end to Hungarian incursions and raids in the Holy Roman Empire. Are we prepared to do THAT? …. nahhhhh….

Russ on November 20, 2012 at 12:25 pm

when are you jews going to stop listening to commie shit heads like hitlery or bongo and clean out that nest of vipers in gaza?who gives a rats ass what the ministry of truth says about the poor ragheads who want to die israel should give them what they want,death for all of them.send them all crying and pissing their pants into egypt.then ask the brother hood if they would like the same as the gaza ragheads.

bruce on November 20, 2012 at 1:19 pm

It gets worse. Consider that Israel’s Defense Minister is a long-time political rival to the Prime Minister. Ehud Barak is well aware that the aimless Lebanon invasion in 2006 cost Olmert his job as Prime Minister. If he wants to bring down Bibi, why not set up a spectacular, but failed, Gaza campaign, then blame Bibi for a lack of leadership from the top? Likud will be hurt badly, and even though Ehud Barak has very little popular support, he will see his chance to advance in the polls. Don’t think an Israeli Defense Minister would do something so terrible for political gain? Then you know nothing about Israeli career politicians. All of this is perhaps why Bibi would be smart not to authorize a ground invasion. Ehud Barak, who was all too willing to cede Jerusalem to the Arabs, cannot be trusted.

Phil on November 20, 2012 at 3:36 pm

I’m no fan of Hamas. I’d love to see those creeps get what’s been coming to them for a long time now.

Ghostwriter on November 20, 2012 at 4:36 pm

Israel has never fought a war to end all wars.
The time for that is now, and this operation sets
the stage for a great change
Ehud and Bibi are joined at the hip this time.
I pray that these warrior leaders have the courage
and guidance to win unlike the dog Betrayus and the
bastard king BHO.

Jay on November 20, 2012 at 4:53 pm

Great post from one of my favorite movies. Very apropos. Thanks!

PDMac60 on November 21, 2012 at 11:21 am

We Jews fight and may sometimes win our wars, but we have lost the peace. This week, Israel miserably failed, politically and diplomatically, first by koshering the pig Arafat and letting his thugs Fatah in exist next to us, in Judea Samaria. Now again another fatal mistake: Bibi has sanctioned and recognized Hamas as the new peace partner. Hamas is the victor, and the new media darling. Egypt has stepped into the quicksand as well. Once one recognizes these pigs in any formal truce or cease fire agreement, the diplomatic war is over, they win. This could set the stage for a move by the Israeli left wing to claim the Knesset majority seats. Perhaps a few more rockets vollied just two weeks before elections to set the cement, and ruin Bibi’s chances for re-election

deborah on November 23, 2012 at 2:40 pm

We Jews fight and may sometimes win our wars, but we have lost the peace. This week, Israel miserably failed, politically and diplomatically. Again, we did the impossible, recognizing our enemies as legitimate players on the political scene. remember when we ushered in Afrafat to Yesha, kosering the big. Now again another fatal mistake: Bibi has sanctioned and recognized Hamas as the new peace partner. Hamas is the victor, and the new media darling. Egypt has stepped into the quicksand as well. Once one recognizes these pigs in any formal truce or cease fire agreement, the diplomatic war is over, they win. This could set the stage for a move by the Israeli left wing to claim the Knesset majority seats. Perhaps a few more rockets vollied just two weeks before elections to set the cement, and ruin Bibi’s chances for re-election

deborah on November 23, 2012 at 2:43 pm

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