April 11, 2013, - 5:10 pm

Alhamdillullah [Praise allah]! Saudi Arabia Recognizes Israel

By Debbie Schlussel

This week, Wikileaks released thousands of documents and cables that were publicly available in American governmental archives, most of them from the early to mid-’70s. One of them is an April 6, 1973 cable from a U.S. diplomat in Cairo to the Secretary of State (who wasn’t yet Henry Kissinger; it was William P. Rogers, a big pan-Arabist), marked “SECRET” (and declassified in 2005) which summarizes his meeting with Saudi Arabia’s then-King Feisal’s advisor, Kamal Adham. The diplomat notes that Adham states that the Saudis do not regard eliminating Israel from the map “as a legitimate aspiration.” Yup, he recognized Israel’s right to exist. And there are other interesting things, such as the Saudis noting potential problems in Gaza. Of course, these Saudi positions could never be the public Saudi positions, or the Bin Ladenites that dominate the country would overthrow the minority House of Saudi that runs the place. Plus, they would have nothing to whip up the crowds over and get them off the topic of Saudi royal oppression.

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Saudi King’s Advisor Kamal Adham Recognized Israel’s Right to Exist

Still, it’s an interesting cable, especially the unnamed diplomat’s uber-Islamo-butt-kissing stance, which was Rogers’ and Kissinger’s stance (and still is Kissinger’s stance) in spades (Kissinger took office, just a few months later, in September of that year). Adham, by the way, also headed Saudi Arabia’s Mukhabarat Al A’ama, or Secret Police/Intelligence, so it is interesting that he would say this, although it takes a similar position to newer Wikileaks cables in which the Saudis and other Gulf State sheikhs supported Israel stopping Iran from getting nukes, etc. Even though the Saudis proudly fund radicals, they don’t like radicals because they could lose power and a lifestyle of riches and plunder instantly to them.

SECRET

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ACTION SS-25

INFO OCT-01 ADP-00 /026 W
——————— 127347

R 060945 Z APR 73

FM USINT CAIRO

TO SECSTATE WASHDC 2860

S E C R E T CAIRO 1025

EXDIS

DEPARTMENT PASS JIDDA

EO 11652: XGDS-1

TAGS: PFOR, SA, XE, EG

SUBJECT: THE FUTURE OF THE PALESTINIANS


1. IN CONVERSATION APRIL 4 ARRANGED BY SAUDI ARABIAN AMBASSADOR NAZIR AT HIS RESIDENCE, KING FEISAL’ S ADVISOR KAMAL ADHAM TOUCHED SEVERAL TIMES ON THE PROB- LEM OF THE PALESTINIANS. HIS MAIN POINT WAS THAT NEITHER THE PALESTINIANS NOR ISRAEL REALLY WANT A PEACE AGREEMENT IN THE MIDDLE EAST. IN ALL THIS, I REFRAINED FROM TAKING UP THE REFERENCE TO ISRAEL, BUT SOUGHT TO ELICIT HIS VIEW OF THE FUTURE OF THE PALESTINIANS; I TRIED TO SET THE CONTEXT OF A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE ARAB GOVERNMENTS TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM.

2. THE FOCUS NARROWED DOWN TO THE ” MILITANT” PALES- TINIANS, AND ADHAM SAID THAT ARAFAT HAD EXPLAINED TO HIM THE PROBLEM HE AND THE PLO HAVE WITH THE HUSSEIN PLAN AS BEING ” WE ARE NOT PART OF IT.” IN OTHER WORDS, UNLESS THEY ARE INCLUDED IN THE DELIBERATIONS, THEY WILL NOT ACCEPT THE RESULTS. HE SAID THAT WHAT ” PALESTINIANS”– HE DID NOT SPECIFY WHICH ONES– WANT IS TO BE ALLOWED TO RETURN TO THE AREA ONCE CALLED PALESTINE AND THERE LIVE IN PEACE WITH THE JEWS.

3. I NOTED THAT THE USG IS ON RECORD THAT ANY SETTLE- MENT MUST TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE LEGITIMATE ASPIRATIONS

SECRET

SECRET

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OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. THIS DOES NOT , HOWEVER, MEAN THAT WE REGARD ELIMINATION OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL AS A LEGITIMATE ASPIRATION. ADHAM SAID ” OF COURSE NOT– NEITHER DO WE.”

4. ADHAM REFERRED TO GAZA, AND SAID HE THOUGHT THAT, AS EGYPT HAD OPENED THE WAY, THAT PROBLEM COULD BEE [sic].

[Emphasis added.]

The cable goes on to talk about something having to do with Japan (it appears documents were mixed up). So I don’t know what comes after “THAT PROBLEM COULD BEE [sic],” unless “BEE” is an abbreviation and not a typo.

Since we had no U.S. mission in Egypt on the date of this cable, perhaps the author was Joseph N. Greene, Jr., who was the Principal Officer of the U.S. Interests Section at the Spanish Embassy in Cairo at the time.

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19 Responses

Debbie,

The House Of Saud is fairly progressive by Saudi standards. Those waiting in the wings are worse.

Now that we know al-Qaeda is active in Syria, it takes little to imagine what would happen if the Bin Ladenites took over Saudi Arabia.

NormanF on April 11, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    I guess if you consider “progressive” to be beheadings and limb amputations, religious and gender apartheid etc.

    Laura on April 11, 2013 at 6:55 pm

      Not by our way of looking at things. But gradually emancipating women, small steps towards some popular participation in government – this isn’t easy in a such a feudal society. The King is an intelligent man but he knows what the limits are and he is going as far as he thinks its safe. The Islamic clergy has mostly medieval attitudes and a lot of them would like to reverse the little openness that has been attained there.

      NormanF on April 11, 2013 at 7:00 pm

Israel’s existence was in Saudi Arabia’s self interest. First, most of the high mucky mucks of the Royal Family were going (secretly) to Israel to get the best medical treatment in the Middle East.

Second, at that time, Kings and other Arab heads of state were being toppled, supplemented by socialist dictatorships (Assad of Syria and Hussein of Iraq were both socialist radicals). He knew that Israel was the pin in the grenade, and that if Israel was eliminated, the house of Saud would follow.

To this day, the House of Saud knows that Iran wants to take over Islam’s holy sites, and that Israel’s Mossad has worked with the Saudi’s secret service to keep the kingdom “safe.”

That does not mean that Saudi Arabia is a buddy of Israel. If they saw Israel losing, they would join in the battle against the Jewish state, for the street creds; however, such a move would ultimately be suicide for the drunken perverted, rapist sex fiend crooked princes and princesses that make up the ruling family.

Jonathan E. Grant on April 11, 2013 at 5:38 pm

Thanks for the tweet, Debbie. Still, tyrants have been known to change their minds infinitely more than they change their underwear.

Who knew that “pro-Western” Ceausescu turned out to be Stalinistic and a Balkan Kim Il-sung clone?

The Reverend Jacques on April 11, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    Who knew that Causescu was a Stalinist? Everybody who bothers to look at him closely. The only reason the West didn’t know is because they chose to do so. The diplomatic staff and journalists had to be willfully blind not to see how repressive the regime was and the diplomats and CIA must have reported it home. Why the journalists didn’t write about it? Because either they were cowards or the reality clashed with their leftist ideology.
    Just like today, when they are willfully blind to the nature of Islam and crimes being committed daily against Israel.

    AK on April 14, 2013 at 2:20 pm

      And Mao was mass murderer which did not preclude establishing China – USA relationship against Soviet Union by Kissinger and Nixon

      Igor on April 15, 2013 at 4:36 pm

I don’t really trust Wikileaks in the sense that I don’t trust that Julian Assange wannabes aren’t self censoring or editing.

Also here all we have is what the Saudi’s are possibly prepared to tell American officials maybe.

A “legitimate aspiration” could be anything. I want to see the earth from orbit by on my budget that’s not a “legitimate aspiration”. However if space flights become affordable in my lifetime…

Frankz on April 11, 2013 at 5:42 pm

sorry, typos i cannot seem to eliminate.
should have been “*but* on my budget”

Frankz on April 11, 2013 at 5:44 pm

Why do U feel the Saudis are Primitive Savages? Just because they amputate & Behead their own criminals?! How many States in the Union inject, Electrify, hang, criminals in the USA!?! Ask a foreigner for his perspective on the ” Advanced” system in the USA…..A killer should get 3 life sentences, hard labour, no TV, no newspapers, no Internet, no feathers blankets in winter, no games, no books, ( you wanted to execute him) all these fringe benefits are not for him. Only on the day death sentence is abolished all over the USA, can you criticize the Saudis …

Simon on April 11, 2013 at 7:49 pm

This is very interesting information, wherein, as you put it, “[t]he diplomat notes that Adham states that the Saudis do not regard eliminating Israel from the map “as a legitimate aspiration” and you comment: “Yup, he recognized Israel’s right to exist.”

However, I think your interpretative of that recognition is more positive than is warranted by the actual statements. Please note that although Adham says that eliminating Israel isn’t a “legitimate aspiration,” since when has Saudi Arabia been so concerned about what is legimate or not?

As I see it, it’s more a private admission that they know that their desire to see Israel eliminated is, in fact, illegitimate.

Ralph Adamo on April 11, 2013 at 8:20 pm

They have two motivators. Fear and money. They see all these other dictators getting knocked down off their thrones, so now they are skeered. And, I am sure they knew before we did that Israel has oil. There’s more oil and natural gas in Israel and north America than there is in Saudi Arabia. It’s just harder to get to, is all. The Saudis might be assholes, but they aren’t stupid.

RT on April 11, 2013 at 8:48 pm

I don’t think they really accept that Israel has a right to exist – they’re obviously just acknowledging that they could not END Israel’s existence militarily.

Sta-tus MoNkey on April 12, 2013 at 1:02 am

It was Kamal Adham who influenced Sadat to conclude a peace treaty with Israel. Later on Sadat wanted to wash his hands from the peace initiative by trying to push the Church in Egypt to sponsor it. The Church aware of the dangers it would expose the Copts to declined the opportunity and told him to seek the support of Sheikh Al-Azhar for that. Angered by this response he ordered the MB thugs to attack the Christians every where.

G. R. Scharoubim on April 12, 2013 at 10:47 am

@Scharoubim,
Exactly, Sadat like most moderate Muslims knew from that day his days were numbered just like most moderate Muslims which is why you never hear a peep out of them.

Frankz on April 12, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Sadat wasn’t a moderate. He started a war of annihilation against Israel, on Yom Kippur, nor less, and lost it badly. However, Israelis were very badly shaken by 1973 war, since they were very close to losing it. Sadat simply realized that a temporary peace with Israel for the return of Sinai, which Israelis developed in the preceding years, plus billions of $$ from the US, was a better deal than trying to get those territories back in another war, that he could have lost again. Plus, it is much closer to Tel Aviv and Jerusalem from the current border than from the banks of the Suez Canal.

    AK on April 14, 2013 at 2:36 pm

Never trust a Muslim. The Saudis will still finance proxy war against Israel and the west.

RT on April 12, 2013 at 3:29 pm

all muzzies are liars and baby rapers and shoul be killed.sooner or later if we don’t kill all the muslims in america they will kill us.

bruce on April 12, 2013 at 4:24 pm

@AK,
Sorry I didn’t see your post before.
These days Muslims with that kind of pragmatism are as moderate as we’re likely to get in terms of leadership and even they are being systematically eliminated.
This is my point.

Frankz on April 15, 2013 at 10:50 am

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