December 12, 2013, - 3:45 pm

The Govt Did WHAT?! to WWII Veterans: A Scary Omen of ObamaCare

By Debbie Schlussel

After World War II, the federal government forcibly lobotomized 2,000 American military men and women who served. It’s a scary omen of what’s to come under ObamaCare, as the government takes on more and more big brother control of our healthcare. Today’s Wall Street Journal has an outrageous two-page-long story beginning on the front page. What it describes isn’t just a nightmare. It’s reality, and don’t be surprised if it ultimately becomes the kind of reality to which we are all subject when ObamaCare is fully implemented. The men who served and were lobotimized mostly ended up predictably as vegetables or as adults with the minds and functionality of children.

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Watch the video . . .

Below is a taste–a taste of what happens when government is in charge of your healthcare. No, it’s not a frightening episode of “The Twilight Zone.” It’s a frightening preview of 2014 ObamaCare and beyond. This happened then–when the Veterans Administration ran the healthcare for soldiers arriving back home from World War II. It can happen when the entire government runs your healthcare. It’s shameful and disgusting–the government took lives from the men who served and sentenced them to live befuddled and unable to be independent and care for themselves for the rest of their time on earth. And it’s a harbinger of things to come under ObamaCare. Bet on it.

Roman Tritz’s memories of the past six decades are blurred by age and delusion. But one thing he remembers clearly is the fight he put up the day the orderlies came for him. “They got the notion they were going to come to give me a lobotomy,” says Mr. Tritz, a World War II bomber pilot. “To hell with them.” The orderlies at the veterans hospital pinned Mr. Tritz to the floor, he recalls. He fought so hard that eventually they gave up. But the orderlies came for him again on Wednesday, July 1, 1953, a few weeks before his 30th birthday. This time, the doctors got their way.










The U.S. government lobotomized roughly 2,000 mentally ill veterans—and likely hundreds more—during and after World War II, according to a cache of forgotten memos, letters and government reports unearthed by The Wall Street Journal. Besieged by psychologically damaged troops returning from the battlefields of North Africa, Europe and the Pacific, the Veterans Administration performed the brain-altering operation on former servicemen it diagnosed as depressives, psychotics and schizophrenics, and occasionally on people identified as homosexuals. . . .

The VA’s practice, described in depth here for the first time, sometimes brought veterans relief from their inner demons. Often, however, the surgery left them little more than overgrown children, unable to care for themselves. Many suffered seizures, amnesia and loss of motor skills. Some died from the operation itself. Mr. Tritz, 90 years old, is one of the few still alive to describe the experience. “It isn’t so good up here,” he says, rubbing the two shallow divots on the sides of his forehead, bracketing wisps of white hair.

The VA’s use of lobotomy, in which doctors severed connections between parts of the brain then thought to control emotions, was known in medical circles in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and is occasionally cited in medical texts. . . . Between April 1, 1947, and Sept. 30, 1950, VA doctors lobotomized 1,464 veterans at 50 hospitals authorized to perform the surgery, according to agency documents rediscovered by the Journal. Scores of records from 22 of those hospitals list another 466 lobotomies performed outside that time period, bringing the total documented operations to 1,930. Gaps in the records suggest that hundreds of additional operations likely took place at other VA facilities. The vast majority of the patients were men, although some female veterans underwent VA lobotomies, as well. . . .

Mr. Tritz was the son of a Wisconsin dairy farmer who flew a B-17 Flying Fortress on 34 combat missions over Germany and Nazi-occupied Europe. “They just wanted to ruin my head, it seemed to me,” says Mr. Tritz. “Somebody wanted to.” . . . Mr. Tritz and the mentally ill veterans who shared his fate lived a struggle all but unknown except to the families who still bear lobotomy’s scars. . . . During eight years as a patient in the VA hospital in Tomah, Wis., Mr. Tritz underwent 28 rounds of electroshock therapy, a common treatment that sometimes caused convulsions so jarring they broke patients’ bones. Medical records show that Mr. Tritz received another routine VA treatment: insulin-induced temporary comas, which were thought to relieve symptoms. . . . When all else failed, there was lobotomy. . . .

In a standard lobotomy, a surgeon pulled back the forehead skin, sawed two holes in the skull and inserted a rotating tool or spatula-like knife. The surgeon then severed pathways between the prefrontal area behind the forehead, and the rest of the brain. These fibers were thought by practitioners to promote excessive and compulsive emotions.

Dr. [Walter] Freeman, the neurologist who popularized lobotomies, also pioneered a more controversial technique in which he hammered an ice pick beneath the upper eyelid, through the thin bone of the eye socket and into the brain. He would make the cuts by toggling the pick.

This is only a snippet of the story. You must read the whole thing. There are going to be more articles in the series in this week’s Wall Street Journal.

While I know that the doctors and surgeons involved thought, at the time, that lobotomies were the best way to treat various mental illnesses–that was some of the science then–it quickly became anachronistic medicine, and these military vets’ lives were taken away from them. The lobotomies were done against their will, their lives destroyed, all because they were willing to risk their lives in service to America.

That’s what happened when the government controlled their healthcare. Imagine what will happen when it controls ours.

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“That’s what happened when the government controlled their healthcare. Imagine what will happen when it controls ours.”

I can’t6 believe that Congress approved Obamacare to begin with or that there wasn’t public outrage that it didn’t have any tort reform and that Congress and the POTUS and their staffs were exempt from it.

DS_ROCKS! on December 12, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Not to forget..Imagine Obama out of thin air changing healthcare laws without congress. As Obama will say,it’s the right thing to do.

    Steve on December 12, 2013 at 4:18 pm

      We must ask ourselves: “What’s the right thing to do?” Then, we must DO IT. Because it’s the right thing TO DO.

      sarai on December 12, 2013 at 6:49 pm

I just wonder by the time 2017 comes around how far Obama will have ran the country into the ground.That nobody will recognize America anymore and this is about what it comes down too. Americans can only look back and say do you remember when.To make matters worst Obama is working hard day and night to enstrange America to Israel relations.The country we once knew is fading away ,day by day.. Each day we sink a little more and more.I am deeply concern our country is being taken away from us and we never get it back. :-(

Steve on December 12, 2013 at 4:01 pm

Even more scary is to see how medical ‘care’ is performed in countries that our President admires: e.g. Cuba, Iran, Russia, China, etc. Fearfully, the death panels may only be the first step; subsequent steps might be to decide which children live, as in China, which the liberals admire so much, or who should be sent to psychiatric institutions, as has been done in the Soviet Union (sic.)

We saw harbingers of this a few years ago when there was a shortage of flu vaccine. Then-President Bush decided that babies and pregnant women would get the nod. As far as I know, no distinction was made between those from illegal alien families and those from American families.

And the advice to elderly people from the Center for Disease Control was to wash their hands, while the preferred individuals were getting flu shots. It will get worse. And you wil be lucky if you get a doctor who can speak English.

Little Al on December 12, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    “Then-President Bush decided
    that babies and pregnant women would
    get the nod. As far as I know, no
    distinction was made between those
    from illegal alien families and those
    from American families.”

    What a great point, Little Al.

    skzion on December 13, 2013 at 1:07 am

Growing up, I became an eyewitness to this sort of stuff, as the juvenile court committed me to the state mental hospital, where because I acted like a teenage boy, I was locked up in the maximum security facility for the criminally insane.

I endured the horror of repeated shock treatments (the old fashioned way – - – , not the way it’s done now).

They didn’t lobotomize me, but I saw it done to others.

For years, my only influences, role models, associates, and confidants were violent murderers, sexual deviants, perverts, and psychotic sociopaths.

Much of what I saw was actually far, FAR worse than what Hollywood movies have shown.

It happened to some other kids, too.

But, as far as I know, I, and I alone, became the lucky one.

I became a Mormon, obtained my G.E.D., got into the United States Army, and went to Viet Nam, in addition to several other countries throughout the globe.

After the war, I met four other Viet Nam veterans who’d had experiences similar to my own during their childhood.

Three of them are now deceased.

Now, I’m an old man, in a retirement home, alone with my memories.

No, the United States of America that I knew when I was young has long since disappeared.

The younger generations today (that’s almost all of you who are reading this) have no idea what has been lost, for you’ve never known anything else, and what’s even worse, you’ve been thoroughly indoctrinated by public schools, Hollywood media, and peer pressure, so that now, you think the America I refer to was actually a terrible place.

If ONLY you’d use the Internet (while it still exists) and do your own research, then you might learn something, and start questioning what you’ve been told all your life, and why.

John Robert Mallernee on December 12, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Well said. Thank you for your service.

    Little Al on December 12, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    John: I am sorry, that happen to you. You are not alone. I will remember you in my prayers. Thank you for sharing.

    sarai on December 12, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    God bless John, some of us still remember

    Frankz on December 12, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    wow, that’s some life story, John… God bless you, sir.

    kirche61 on December 13, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Mr. Mallernee, this is at least the third time I’ve read your post. This is more personal in nature, because I am well aware of everything you said. I am one of those who was a wee bit too young to go to “Nam” but knew plenty who did, and either came back pretty messed up in one way or another, or didn’t come back at all.

    Even the tough guys in many NYC neighborhoods would crap in their pants at the thought of going to Nam. NO ONE wanted to go to Nam. EVERYBODY was cringing in fear at that thought. When I turned 18, I had to get a draft card, even though the war was nearly over. There was fear that there could be a re-escalation, and everyone who turned 18 during that time period was required to register for the draft. Unless it got ruined by Sandy with all that other stuff in my storage space, it’s still probably in one of the boxes at a friend’s house. I kept it as a memento of one of the most chilling moment’s of my youth.

    Mr. Mallernee, what happened to you in your childhood is abominable, but I apologize for telling you what you already know and lived. However, there are many such stories in America, supposedly the greatest nation ever created by the will of man with hopefully a little help from God. America does indeed have chickens coming home to roost, and those who have said we need to get God back in American society are all too correct. But we have kicked God out of society.

    We are indeed the greatest, despite our myriad flaws, and we should all, 330 million of us, be working to save “this once great republic.” But we have not heeded the wisdom of people like Mr. Mallernee. I have enjoyed, been enriched, enlightened and am always appreciative of the wisdom in your posts, sir.

    Mr. Mallernee, the Bible says God will wipe away every tear. You are in my prayers. He will repay the pain you received in your youth, wipe the damage from your spirit, and grant you eternal life, but you already know these things as well.

    Thank you sir, for your service. Thank you for your wisdom, perseverance, knowledge and exhortation.

    Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 13, 2013 at 10:48 pm

POST SCRIPT:

Today is Thursday 12 December 2013.

Forty-four (44) years ago, on Friday 12 December 1969, I landed at Cam Ranh Bay, Republic of Viet Nam.

John Robert Mallernee on December 12, 2013 at 4:58 pm

Also in the news: If you have a kid in New York City, that kid has to get a flu shot. This includes kids just four or five years old going to pre-K. No religious objections are accepted by the NYC Dept. of Health. Natural remedies don’t count–only expensive Big Pharma solutions to medical problems are accepted as legitimate.

My kids were told to get shot up at least once a month. The health authorities say that there is no mercury in the flu shots, but some websites (Natural News) say that mercury is still there in the shots.

You don’t want the government in charge of your health, but it’s getting impossible to avoid it. We don’t have a Constitution or any freedoms anymore, I guess.

Barry Popik on December 12, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Why do you say you have no choice? Do you not believe or want to move to a different state, that will not require you to go against your religious beliefs? Are not your beliefs and your children worth the change in resident state? If you are not willing to make the change in your life, and the life of your children, who will?

    sarai on December 12, 2013 at 7:02 pm

      FYI, I live outside NYC, but municipalities often follow NYC’s lead. The NYC Health Department made its vaccination order just yesterday; it’s still uncertain if the new mayor will follow it.

      My daughter got sick for a few days after her last vaccination. We tried to space it out more to give their bodies some time to adjust and grow, but one time the clinic messed up and gave her the wrong shot and she got VERY sick.

      Maybe Michael Bloomberg is correct and all of the shots are good for us, and large sodas are bad for us, and salt is bad for us, and so on. The point is, if we don’t have a choice what medicines we want to take and what foods we want to eat, that’s government healthcare for serfs–not real, free human beings.

      Barry Popik on December 13, 2013 at 12:26 am

      Moving isn’t the best option but homeschooling is a good solution.

      Meira on December 13, 2013 at 4:32 am

Here is a more recent, less traumatic, yet similarly disturbing example, titled: The Perils of Government-Managed Healthcare

http://pitfalls.weebly.com/

UL on December 12, 2013 at 5:10 pm

I am afraid most people in this country have been lobotomized…or at least they act and vote that way.

Jonathan E. Grant on December 12, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Many have been chemically lobotomized through the additives in food, public water, chemicals sprayed in the air, medicine. Welcome to America baby!~That’s why people act like they cannot critically think anymore. They can’t. Fluoride was used in Nazi prison camps to calm the prisoners. Many states put it in their public water supplies. It’s not the good fluoride either. It’s the same fluoride used in rat poison. Before screeching “No, it’s not true!” Look it up on the internet. You will find it is true. I have seen poisoned rats not yet dead. They act confused, like they can’t think clearly. Now, look at many Americans. Do you see the connection? Why? You may ask? It’s one of the oldest answers in the world.~ Follow the money. It’s easier to steal the MONEY and FREEDOMS of the chemically lobotomized.

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    sarai on December 12, 2013 at 7:16 pm

This so reminiscent of the old Soviet Union days.
Political prisoners were routinely sent to mental health hospitals, but were actually torture centers.

Very similar to what Hitler did. The mentally and disabled were sent to centers were they could be better taken care of, the truth being they were sent to the first death camps. This was years before the Holocaust began fully.

Why, because Hitler introduced national healthcare to Germany.
It’s free, yippee.

National Single payer healthcare, it’ll kill you, but it’s free.
Unless you pay taxes, then it just kills you and you have to pay for the privilege of being killed.

This is all well known history, yet the morons keep voting for these things.

Steve G on December 12, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Sorry, but Bismark, not Hitler, introduced national health care (socialized medicine).

    Jonathan E. Grant on December 12, 2013 at 10:43 pm

I am not at all persuaded that internet claims regarding the dangers of vaccinations are sound. However, the dangers of the diseases being protected against are very well established. It’s not that I overflow with confidence in medical science in general. However, vaccination is one of its great success stories. Unvaccinated kids are sitting ducks when so many Third World illegals are coming over our borders.

All that said, this story is really about what the gubmint and its medical professionals do in a situation of being a monopoly provider of care. It is one of the most horrific and chilling stories I have read. It is fully as appalling as certain well known incidents in medical research that propelled acceptance of various restrictions and guidelines since the ’50s. I think Debbie is absolutely right in what will happen as political power backs “medical” decisions.

Nowadays, healthcare is bad enough in the US (and the care in the US makes care most other places look bad). I hope the number of patients killed by doctors–who browbeat family members to accept “medical” recommendations and bring in un-ethics boards to support these recommendations–will eventually be known to all. Now put the government in charge.

Finally, thanks for your service, Mr. Mallernee. I am glad you are with us.

skzion on December 12, 2013 at 8:04 pm

We are so screwed.

Michelle on December 12, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    Michelle, concerning your comment “We are so screwed.” Not if we just say ‘NO’! There are more of us than there are of them. The government don’t have enough enforcement agencies employees to make the 330 million people in the United States to do anything. We out number them, and they know it. They just hope we don’t know.

    sarai on December 12, 2013 at 10:33 pm

      Sarai, I agree with you but to get down to the nitty-gritty, the Gubmint HAS been stockpiling weapons and all across the country SOME police and other Gubmint officials are acting like thugs and stomping on Constitutional rights. They’ll be ready for us when the tyranny of ObamaCare hits the spot.

      And look how Syria goes at a civil war. It’ll be a war all right but there will be nothing civil about it. Taking that all in can be overwhelming.

      Skunky on December 13, 2013 at 10:49 am

        Skunky, what the government wants is a civil war, where the people fight each other. What the government fears is a revolutionary war, where the people fight the government. The American land mass is too huge for the government employees of the police state to adequately occupy. Only 3% of the people fought in the Revolutionary War with Britain. Right makes right. And it’s hard to beat a man that is in the right, and who just keeps on coming. It also helps to have the help of Almighty God. Maybe if we returned to him…he would return to us. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see demons control Washington D. C. and Wall Street.

        sarai on December 13, 2013 at 1:32 pm

Nope, not allowed.
Healthcare reform is not the same as the government lobotomizing vets.

There maybe many reason to be against the healthcare act, you may not like and think it is the not the way for the country to go. But it is NOT the same.

pete on December 12, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Oh my, it’s the Cockroach Troll. Of course I didn’t read his crap.

    skzion on December 13, 2013 at 1:14 am

      I do fret about the poor cat he kidnapped, though.

      skzion on December 13, 2013 at 1:15 am

“Healthcare reform is not the same as the government lobotomizing vets.”

Hipsters and other morons like this “pete” have already been lobotomized, sort of, via total immersion in the ACP o fthe ’40s and ’50s/Hippie/Baby Boomer regime from cradle to grave.

People like him lack critical thinking skills and even their will to self-preservation. They just regirgitate party mantras and do what the boob-tube tells them to.

DS_ROCKS! on December 13, 2013 at 1:09 am

    Oh, DSR, don’t spend time on the site cockroach. Skunky is still trying to find a poison that kills his type type dead. Skunky, how you faring?

    skzion on December 13, 2013 at 1:20 am

      Very well Skzion. Glad that someone else exposed Gay Obama The Cockroack (good on ya, DSR!) because I’m tired of that useful idiot.

      Who would listen to a dope like him? Every time he posts he gets his palaver shoved back down his gullet (he thinks it’s something else…) and he never learns from FACTS. He’s irretrievably indoctrinated and has long ago been lobotomized.

      And I wanna point out something else about this spastic and dopey vermin (other than calling on all animal lovers to save his poor, misspelled named cat from his roach motel…)…he is the ULTIMATE Libtard fraud. Notice he only ever posts when the subject is about HIS personal issues (liberal gay nonsense…). How very narcissistic and a huge clue that Libtards DON’T care about anything but themselves yet pretend to be the warriors of the “little guy”. And he only ever whinges and never bolsters his side of the argument cogently or successfully. He can’t because he is wrong and is not smart enough to know why he believes a bunch of um-gala-gala.

      It’s almost 2014. Expose these fools. They are too dumb to be saved at this point and will weigh others down like anvils.

      Skunky on December 13, 2013 at 9:45 am

        Awwww Skunky I have missed you too. It has been too long.

        From now on I will just refer to you and skzion as the SS, you know so my feeble mind doesn’t have to remember two completely different names.

        SS,
        My point was simply that these two things are not equatable. The Dems trying to make sure everyone has health insurance is not the same as doctors cutting out chunks of people’s brains. You may not like healthcare reform but only a blatant propagandist would try to eqaute the two.

        pete on December 14, 2013 at 7:32 am

          Gay Obama, are you calling DS a blatant propagandist? If you are I’m gonna try to hold my maniacal laughter in until I finish this post. You couldn’t fuel a Christmas bulb with your paucity of brain power. Just because you disagree with DS does NOT make you correct. You don’t got it (or get it) Roachy. (Anyone who doubted me that I didn’t have this creepy roaches’ number back in the day, you’ve just seen I was correct these last few months. Suckas!!)

          A strong caveat to those who have a brain is to NEVER listen to an obstinate contrarian like you. You’re comical and more than retarded. You are a fool who leads others down the road to ruin. I don’t really care because anyone who follows a roach like you deserves to be lead astray. But a warning is still a warning.

          And let me give a hint to the fools who may think you have a modicum of credibility…the fact that YOU think the Donks want everyone to have Health Insurance says it ALL. I know you believe it. I’d never expect less from a vermin like you with less brains than an amoeba. At least amoeba run from danger…1 cell beings that they are.

          I’ll be the one coming for your poor, misspelled named cat when you’re in hospital and the policies of ObamaCare’s architect Zeke Emanuel’s policy take your cockraoch ass out or some other insect member of your stupid family. The cat and I will be laughing like sinister characters from a David Lynch movie. At you. LOLOL! :P

          Skunky on December 14, 2013 at 10:22 am

If they ever come for me or my friends they had better take into consdideration that they are now the enemy and all that directs us to do. They paid millions to train some of us and we will not go gentlely in to the long winters night. We are taking some of them to keep us warm.

Jonathan Gartner on December 13, 2013 at 9:19 am

Seems to me that about half the country has already been willingly or willfully lobotomized with the government, liberals and Muslims working full time to lobotomize the other half. Like a poster on Obamacare on MSN said this morning, “The site still isn’t working. Embrace the suck.”

youtube.com/watch?v=wr-kn0JG5p4

Pray Hard on December 13, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Lest anyone think I’m making light of the veterans and their condition or ANYONE else who was lobotomized, the thousands, or the dangers of this current worthless administration, I’m not, mmmm k? I worked in the mental health field for a decade or so and do have a grasp of the potential insanity of when medicine and legislation are put in the blender at the same time. Medicine is much further along now than sixty+ years ago and some of it has similar effects to lobotomies, but at least it’s not permanent. Like the Monty Python bunch sang “always look on the bright side of life” … Hopefully, the Demokrautz have so screwed things up they will never be elected again.

    Pray Hard on December 13, 2013 at 9:51 am

>>Hopefully, the Demokrautz have so screwed things up they will never be elected again.<<

Thanks! I've entered “Demokraut (Democrat + Kraut)” in my world’s largest online lexicon of American political terms.

It pays to read Debbie–and all the comments.

Barry Popik on December 13, 2013 at 11:20 am

I just couldn’t watch it anymore. Very sick procedure. Yes, our government can do these atrocities. I’m not so sure the new psycho drug therapies are much better either.

Rog P on December 13, 2013 at 1:31 pm

I was always scoffed at because I not only questioned authority but hated the fact that anyone would allow anyone else have authority over them just because they said they did.
I never got into trouble because I knew right from wrong all along.
I also knew men who considered themselves as authorities where just men- no better than I.
It seems now, I was right.
It is time we claim our sovereign standing as living humans instead of corporate slaves.

wallry on December 13, 2013 at 9:51 pm

Hey Skunky, speaking of roaches, a new, frigid weather resistant type of cockroach has hit the big time, yup, it’s here in the NYC area, and the fear is spreading. There is concern that it will get together with the local roaches and create a mutant strain. Mutant strain??!?!!!?? They ALREADY are almost invincible!!! This was a big news story a few days ago.

As for lobotomies, I remember doing some reading about them a few decades ago. Frightening, especially since it was government ordained. I know plenty of people whose hair fell out almost immediately after exiting the military. Who knows what else has been done, and we can only imagine what will be done.

I do know, as I’ve mentioned before what was done to Dr. Pedro Albizu Campos, and the doctor who performed those acts didn’t have his name removed from a famous award until 2003.

America’s chickens, coming home to roost. Courtesy of your friendly neighborhood Demmicans and Republicrats.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 14, 2013 at 11:10 am

    That’s exactly why the Gay Obama cockroach has yet to be put on his back with his ugly legs kicking in the air, Alfredo. This one is long-living but not because he’s smart. Having annoying dopes like Cockroach is a burden to the smart of society. Dead weight in roach terms. Yuck!

    Skunky on December 14, 2013 at 11:28 am

Lobotomies are still being performed on those who speak the truth. The only difference is that these days it is done more quietly, and on those they view as the biggest threat.

Lobotomies and vasectomies are being carried out on those who oppose and speak out against all powerful Obama and the regime he works for.

And you can believe there are more enough Muslim doctors in the US healthcare system to carry them out, and cover them up.

Next we will see the trickle turn into a wave, with many Americans being diagnosed as mentally ill by their Obama-Care doctors, for speaking the truth / and or possessing Christian values.

It’s another way for them to track and persecute their enemies using the Medical field. And no, the US government is necessarily evil, but is increasingly infiltrated by the enemy who has taken control.

Before, the enemy had to use databases like the Medical Information Bureau (MIB) and individuals health insurance to track them and ruin their lives. Obama-Care makes it quick and convenient to target a multitude more; they are going from picking off a few “problem” people, to getting ready to go after the masses.

The enemy is so entrenched in the medical field right now, it’s not even funny. Just wait until WWIII hits and everyone needs medical care and is rubber-stamped denied by Obama-Care.

Iran has played this chess game to the end; they are using our own Presidency against us, so that when they strike, everything in the US will be in shambles and unable to cope.

A on December 15, 2013 at 3:53 pm

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