June 5, 2014, - 3:00 pm

Would Ronald Reagan Beat Jimmy Carter or Barack Obama Today? Sadly, No & Here’s Why

By Debbie Schlussel

Would Ronald Reagan beat Jimmy Carter if the Presidential Election were held today? Could he even beat Walter Mondale? Could he beat Barack Obama?

Sadly, I think the answer is no to all three. What do you think?

Recently, I was talking with a friend of mine who asked the questions and suggested I put my answers up on the site. The friend, who identifies himself as very conservative on most issues, but moderate or laissez-faire on many social issues, is a multi-millionaire owner of a chain of upscale salons that he built from nothing. He has built other chains and sold them for a lot of money and has always been conservative on most issues because he knows what it is like to work very hard night and day to build a business from scratch, as well as all the government regulations and spoiled, entitled people who want to take it away from him. He identifies as a Republican and always votes that way. The friend and I discussed how disappointed we are with the way things are going in this country. Both of us feel we’ve really lost the country forever in so many ways, and find it depressing, even though, as always, we vow to fight on.

The friend and I both concluded that–and this is very depressing to us both–Ronald Reagan would not have been our President in the America we have today. Instead, we both believed that Jimmy Carter would have beaten Reagan (and Obama would have beaten him, too), even with the hostages in Iran and double-digit inflation. Even with America wearing a “Kick Me” sign all over the world (a sign, by the way, that we’ve put back on with the current occupant of the White House).












If you look at America’s demographics–part of the blame lies with Ronald Reagan and the amnesty he approved–and if you look at the voting patterns, there is just no way a Ronald Reagan would be elected by this America. Heck, they elected the reincarnated, even scarier version of Jimmy Carter twice in Barack Obama.

And, even though Reagan made many big mistakes (pulling out of Lebanon and not responding when our Marines were blown up in the barracks by Hezbollah, along with our embassy; pushing and approving amnesty for millions of illegal aliens), had Ronald Reagan not been elected, America would be hurting a lot more than it is now.

The hostages might never have been released from Iran. Maybe they would have been murdered. Inflation in the double-digits would have continued. And could have gone to the very high double digits. Yasser Arafat might have ruled over all of Israel, which would be “Palestine” and Al-Qaeda would have used it as a base. And everyone around the world would hate us as much as they hate us now, because that’s how it was under Jimmy Carter until Ronald Reagan showed the world (except Hezbollah) who was boss. The iron curtain would still be up along with the Berlin Wall. The Soviet Union would still be here and Communists around the world would be stronger than they are today, except in Nicaragua, where George W. Bush allowed back into power Daniel Ortega and the Sandinistas that Ronald Reagan defeated. The kind of freedom Ronald Reagan inspired was the freedom sought by good people who wanted to realize the full potential of their talents and life decisions, not the “freedom” inspired by Barack Obama (and George W. Bush), where extremist Muslims take over and gang rape women in Tahrir Square and execute women for embracing Christianity.

Ronald Reagan came from the Depression era and washed dishes to earn his way through college. Barack Obama came from mysterious circumstances and was handed everything he got from Harvard to a Presidency, just like today’s reality show stars who are handed things because of making porno tapes or becoming teen moms.

Back then, during the Reagan Presidency and at the time he was campaigning for the White House, there were neither ObamaPhones nor ObamaCare, and there weren’t illegal aliens and their allies in the numbers we’ve got in this country today. Back then, there were less than 15% of the number of mosques and Muslims who hate us in America. Back then, the President wouldn’t have released five master terrorists for the freedom of a Taliban-sympathizing U.S Army deserter who went AWOL to “help the people of Afghanistan.” Ronald Reagan would never have done it. Nor would he have gone to Cairo to tell the world how great Islam is and how bad we are. Reagan didn’t kiss our enemies’ asses. And he didn’t bow down to them. Not constantly, not once, not ever. Back then, the most admired Americans didn’t include slutty porn stars like the Kardashians. There was no gay marriage, there were no reality shows, and there was no selfieFacebookTwitter generation.

America has changed since Ronald Reagan was elected . . . for the worse. And I don’t believe Ronald Reagan would be elected today.

Do you?

Ronald Reagan always said America’s best days lie ahead. Can we still say that anymore? I don’t think so.

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Watch the last six minutes of Ronald Reagan’s final farewell address from the White House (the text of the full speech is here). He saw what was happening to America and predicted accurately what would happen and how to stop it. We didn’t listen. He even spoke of what happens at the dinner table, but American families really don’t even have a “dinner table” where they all get together to eat, anymore.

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Here are a couple of pics I took with the late great Ronald Reagan in 1987 (and, yes, I know I look god-awful in these photos, but they’re all I got with him):



Anti-photogenic: Me & Ronald Wilson Reagan, White House, 1987

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86 Responses

I’ve heard this said by lots of people, mostly RINOs(no disrespect intended Debbie).
Reagan would win another land slide today, for one very simple reason.
It’s called charisma.
There was a lot more to Reagan than that but it made the difference.
It’s been a long time since the US had a real leader as president.
People have forgotten what that feels like.

keylog on June 5, 2014 at 5:20 pm

Charisma cuts both ways. Clinton had it to a degree – a kind of used car salesman charm.
My worry is that in the future it will cut more and more in this direction.
So in a sense I don’t completely disagree with you.

keylog on June 5, 2014 at 5:23 pm

Not only would Reagan not be elected, neither will ANY Conservative.

Which is why the RINO Party is pushing garbage like Bush III, Christie, and other impossible-to-win candidates.

I’m afraid you’re on point throughout the article, and our beloved nation is all but history.

Things are SO bad, I am convinced that even another direct attack by Mooslims would result in a limp-wristed, non response.

Only the American people can save the country and sadly, most of them are laying in ‘hammocks’ waiting for the next check.

Ed on June 5, 2014 at 5:35 pm

    No, no Reagan’s would have difficulty getting nominated as the candidate.Not winning the election.

    One of the main reasons for that is people like you who buy into the argument that he couldn’t win.
    You’re losers.

    And yes you’re right if America got hit today as things stand it would blow away like a house of cards.
    America’s enemies see the weakness. Now they’ll come knocking.

    keylog on June 5, 2014 at 6:16 pm

    L O S E R S

    keylog on June 5, 2014 at 6:17 pm

    “there is just no way a Ronald Reagan would be elected by this America.”

    Hang on. Didn’t Romney almost get elected? A man who managed to stand for almost nothing and not even that really?
    This is baloney.
    Everything depends on delivery.

    keylog on June 5, 2014 at 6:31 pm

      Is keylog passengerpigeon?

      skzion on June 5, 2014 at 7:59 pm

      Reagan would never be elected today. The demographics have shifted. Our country is far more Hispanic and Asian. And two-thirds of each of those blocs votes Democrat. I will grant you, a great many of these people are as yet-naturalized immigrants and are ineligible to vote. But the trend line is clear: The blacks, of course, can be counted on to overwhelmingly vote Democrat. And Muslims? Well, no point in going there.

      We’re only beginning the to see the effects of this sea change. The GOP will be extinct by 2040 if it doesn’t reach out to the its natural constituency: the white vote!! I’m a Reaganite, but reality bites. The Eighties were fun while they lasted.

      Primetime on June 6, 2014 at 12:24 am

        The youth vote, also, is overwhelmingly Democrat, irrespective of all those polls that claim that bloc to lean “independent.” The key, as I’ve long said, is the massive indoctrination in the schools and colleges (and also through TV, movies, magazines etc.), not just into what I noted but also out of G-d’s rules and mores and towards the cult of “personal liberation.” And it was in good part, that vote, over time, that enabled everything bad that’s happened to America (the influx of illegals and others who hate us, the increasing entrenchment of special interest groups such as the grievance-mongering industry [i.e. race, gender, ethnicity, sexual "orientation"] the homosexual lobby and the abortion-on-demand culture [with the accompanying devaluation of human life thanks to the latter], the loss of individual liberty [most exemplified by IRS targeting of conservative groups], the weakening and trashing of our military, the slouching of this country towards full-blown Communism, the spectre of Islam, etc.) since Reagan left office, to happen. As Mr. Grant has said, this massive indoctrination has helped bring untold damage to this once great country, and their conduct on college campuses whenever “dissenting” voices speak (or try to), once again, proves how deadly the 26th Amendment has become to America.

        But the indoctrination is just a part of this. The creeping infantilization of this age bloc (via such “entertainment” as the Grownups[sic] series with Adam Sandler [and the overall glorification of perpetual / delayed adolescence and general "arrested development, as well as the trend of young people still living off their parents well into their 30's and beyond], and Nancy Pelosi’s pledge during the Obamacare “debate” that young people could keep their parents’ insurance until they turn 26), studies that prove that the human brain doesn’t become fully formed (especially that part dealing with judgment of right and wrong) until about 26, the rise of the celebrity/pop culture complex (as exemplified by the inordinate focus on the likes of Kim “Kartrashian”), their overall reputation for fickleness [talk about living up to the worst stereotypes], and their own participation over history in the most destructive political movements around the world (i.e. Communism, Nazism, the 1968 Paris riots and Chicago Democratic National Convention riots, the Occupy movement, and recent incidents on college campuses such as Brandeis University’s caving on Ayaan Hirsi Ali), also factor in why the 26th Amendment was such a disaster for the country – and why entrusting 18-year-olds with the vote has become more and more akin to handing over the keys to the family car to the most irresponsible of the teenage brood in the family.

        This is but one, but by no means the only, reason for why a Ronald Reagan could not be elected today – besides the issues of illegal aliens voting, freebies, and so on.

        ConcernedPatriot on June 6, 2014 at 11:02 am

You look fine in those photos.

Possibly Reagan could get elected, but it would be closer. Republicans did dominate the 2010 elections, and possibly could dominate the 2014 elections. Reagan ran on several issues, not just the economy as Romney did. Even so, with a terrible candiate like Romney, the election was close.

Having said that, the trends you point out are unquestionable, and sooner or later, the shift to the left will be impossible to penetrate. Like Roosevelt in the 30s, selfishness uber alles. No one cared about foreign problems in the 30s, Hitler, Mussolini (a few people were concerned after the Abyssinian invasion, but not very many), and really, until the fall of France, not too many people were concerned about Hitler. Like today, they just wanted their handouts, and knew FDR would provide them, just like Obama, today. Unless you belong to the oppressor class, or are older and conservative, and then, as Oprah said, they’re just waiting for you to die, something Obamacare is likely to hasten.

Little Al on June 5, 2014 at 5:53 pm

Reagan approved amnesty because he trusted “liberals”. Later he admitted it was a huge mistake.
Isn’t it always?
That’s just light years away from what’s going on now.

keylog on June 5, 2014 at 6:34 pm

The best thing about Reagan was that he could actually learn from experience.

keylog on June 5, 2014 at 6:35 pm

Is this America so degraded it can’t even tell the difference between him and rodeo circus of today? Because you have to wonder.

keylog on June 5, 2014 at 6:41 pm

Republicans are done. Republicans are handing this upcoming election away by propping up a reality tv star of Duck Dynasty as a hero. Republican have him speak at the events and conventions, wth is this? This isn’t a game, but they are acting like it is. This guy is no hero, he is a quack, and you think America sides with him, whether right or wrong, NO.

Republican party refuses to use critical thinking skills so once again they are going to get their asses handed to them just like the last two elections. (I am not a Democrat Quack-I label myself as an independent libertarian.)

P.S.
You may not like the presidents politics, but stop hating on his accomplishments. Harvard didn’t hand anything to him regarding his grades or graduating with honors. Give it a rest.

Big D on June 5, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    Back on the “accomplishments” Big D? What a surprise.
    The fact is the only reason you like Obama is that he’s black.
    Apparently you don’t care about his politics.

    You RACIST. Sorry to tell you dog!

    keylog on June 5, 2014 at 6:50 pm

    Yes you Big D

    keylog on June 5, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    Trolling again, Big Dumb Dinky?

    skzion on June 5, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    Big D, you may not know this, but 90% of the people who graduate from Harvard graduate with honors. It is a joke.

    I think the better question is what good has Obama done in office? I see nothing that has been beneficial to America.

    Jonathan E. Grant on June 5, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    Big D, Barky is hardly accomplished, leaving aside his attainment of the presidency, which has been a disaster. He and the First Klingon were Ivy’d because they are black. We know zero about his or her performance, even adjusting for the racism that would have given him inflated grades.

    As for that presidency, it is the first part of his life that be scrutinized, and even you don’t seem to think of his performance on that.

    Yes, if one opened a box of apples and one saw rot on the first couple of levels, I’m sure one would assume that the apples packed earlier were just glorious.

    lol.

    skzion on June 5, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    @Big D

    Obama hardly ever went to class
    average GPA for a non science major at Harvard is 3.6
    as a minority student there he received many many perks

    although he does present well in public

    btw Big D…how do you think lebron james is wearing his greatness?

    HK on June 6, 2014 at 7:52 am

Demographic bean counting shows that all is lost – Abandon all hope ye who enter here.

keylog on June 5, 2014 at 6:46 pm

Watch the “Man on the street” interviews that many shows do. Most people don’t know who their Governor is. They don’t know who we fought in WWII. They don’t know which side Lincoln was on in the Civil War.

People don’t know a damn thing about much of anything.
But enough people are getting government freebies and they know who gives the freebies and that’s all that matters.
A recent study showed more people are on some sort of government assistance than working.

You can’t fight those odds. Until the country completely collapses, sort of like the Roman Empire, we will never see a Republican President again.

Steve G. on June 5, 2014 at 6:53 pm

And of course, today’s college students (in the “millennial” generation) are far more indoctrinated into liberalism, political correctness, moral relativism, the cult of personality and celebrity, etc., than those who came of age when Reagan was elected and then re-elected. Not only are they “taught” to embrace the Big Government liberal statist agenda and reject anything resembling conservativism, limited government, free markets et al., they are also “taught” to regard anyone who holds such views (or any that run contrary to the prevailing leftist dogmas) as something less than human – the kind of mentality cultivated before all the mass murders, slaughters, pogroms and Holocausts that occurred at various points throughout recorded history. As I’ve said time and again, this shows how, in the long run, the 26th Amendment has played a large part (but far from the only one by any means) in the ruination of America, along with all the other factors cited by Debbie and others.

ConcernedPatriot on June 5, 2014 at 7:04 pm

@Steve,
The Roman empire had it’s ups and downs but once it collapsed – dark ages baby.
The phoenix will not arise from the ashes.
My advice to you is to stay on track.

Frankz on June 5, 2014 at 7:05 pm

@ Keylog- I Didn’t vote for the current president. Shows what you know dummy, but if you are going to criticize him, make it relevant, not irrelevant drivel. I’ll be the first to say that the current president isn’t a good governor, he’s good at many things but governing isn’t one of them. So Shut it!

Big D on June 5, 2014 at 7:12 pm

    I don’t care what idiot you voted for Big D. Know why?
    You RACIST!

    keylog on June 5, 2014 at 7:17 pm

I guess I’ve posted more than my share.

One thing that you might lose sight of reading this piece which is complementary but luke warm is how tough Reagan was.

Reagan brought down the Soviet empire – not the egg heads, not the bean counters, not the technocrats, not the happy flag wavers, not the political influence merchants, not the statisticians, not the media talking heads.

Just him and the country that stood behind him.
Where is that country today?

keylog on June 5, 2014 at 7:16 pm

Very likely with the vote fraud, ACORN, the never-ending flood of anti-US illegals and more and more moslem jihadsist, the DNC will lost some elections, but nothing major. Use of IRS and gov’t agencies have denied rights to conservative groups and the misnamed “progressives” essentially want any and all opposition silenced. Illegals are surely being herded into states where DNC/CPUSA votes are most needed! The reds have not been scheming all these decades just to win an election, but to do away with the need for elections!

And the GOP/RINOs cower in servile silence all the while!

Hans Schaden on June 5, 2014 at 7:36 pm

As in the days of Noah.

john on June 5, 2014 at 7:49 pm

@ Keylog. You made my day. Thank You!

Big D on June 5, 2014 at 7:52 pm

@ Keylog, of course that was sarcasm you babbling fool.

Big D on June 5, 2014 at 8:27 pm

    That’s all right Big Doh

    keylog on June 5, 2014 at 8:48 pm

Reagan could get elected today.

It wasn’t Reagan’s charisma that made him successful. Nearly all politicians are talkers, or else they wouldn’t be where they are. It was his vision. Of America’s past, current, and future. That was what made him appealing.

How much of this really matters at this juncture in America’s Empire? Those who think electing an R instead of D will solve our troubles? Haven’t been paying attention to what most of the Rs stand for nowadays.

PitAndPen on June 5, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    How many genuinely charismatic Presidents can you name since Reagan?

    Bush 1 : not exactly
    Clinton : kind of
    Bush 2 : get real
    Obama : only if you’re into phones named after the president.

    keylog on June 5, 2014 at 9:12 pm

No, no PitandPen
Generally agree with you but no.
Reagan was special. As I said it wasn’t only his charisma. Plenty of people have and had similar ideals for America past and present.
America is not an empire. The Soviet Union was an empire.
You see you’ve bought into to the stuff so long you don’t even know how compromised you are.

Totally agree it’s not just about R&Ds. If you thought that was my angle then you didn’t pay attention.

keylog on June 5, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    America is an Empire. Why else would Team America: World Police have bases all around the globe and eternal military presences in several countries? We are still “fighting” wars at this very moment. A military budget that exceeds the rest of the entire world put together.

    If it walks like an Empire, talks like an Empire, and spends like an Empire…

    And the Rs are no more interested in changing the dynamics of the descending American Empire than the Ds. They only wish to be at the levers of control. The national government Leviathan doesn’t offend them, only the color of his jersey.

    PitAndPen on June 5, 2014 at 9:39 pm

      Fighting wars doesn’t make you an empire. That’s number 1.
      Is Europe where the US has many bases part of the American empire?
      If so they’ve largely opted out.

      ban_me_1_more_time on June 6, 2014 at 3:38 am

        I have who is keylog, ban me…, etc. Knock it off. Proliferating handles is an obnoxious thing to do.

        skzion on June 6, 2014 at 10:49 am

          “I have an IDEA”

          skzion on June 6, 2014 at 10:49 am

      Does having a large military make you an empire? Er no it doesn’t.
      It makes the US smart. America is about to find out what the consequences of being not smart are. You won’t like them much because you’re going to find out more and more how the rest of the world lives.
      Congratulations. You’ve earned it.

      ban_me_1_more_time on June 6, 2014 at 3:39 am

      “The national government Leviathan doesn’t offend them, only the color of his jersey.” – Thanks for the newsflash.

      ban_me_1_more_time on June 6, 2014 at 3:43 am

      This I already know but thanks.
      It would be more accurate to say that many Republicans are prepared to accept the direction the Democrats have plotted for the country.
      They just don’t want to get there quite as quickly.

      ban_me_1_more_time on June 6, 2014 at 3:47 am

      Conservatives must win their party back.
      Failure to do so will result in catastrophic system failure.

      keylog says thanks for playing

      ban_me_1_more_time on June 6, 2014 at 3:48 am

I actually think he would be elected if he was on the ticket. The big if ! the Elitist RINOs worked hard to make sure another Reagan could get on the ticket. It would be the GOP that would stop a Ronald Reagan.

He would be elected if on the ticket because he spoke to conservatives and most Americans do consider themselves conservatives.

NOW the voter fraud is another big issue that can’t be ignored.

General P. Malaise on June 5, 2014 at 8:55 pm

RINOs worked hard to make sure another Reagan could NOT get on the ticket.

sorry left the NOT out of my post.

General P. Malaise on June 5, 2014 at 8:57 pm

Hi Debbie!
Do you think the USA could ever have a general as powerful as General Douglas McArthur today? I am studying World War II and the Korean War now and it is very insightful. It’s interesting to read how during WWII the US Navy would never allow an aircraft carrier to be under McArthur’s command. I did not know this but the US war in the Pacific was divided at the 159th parallel (the Navy wanted Guadalcanal on the 160th parallel, McArthur got everything west of it). After World War II the USA fell into the Korean War (which ended in a truce) and Vietnam War (which ended with the USA abandoning South Vietnam). In both of these conflicts China was the political victor. All three conflicts (WWII, Korea and Vietnam) can be directly traced to the politics of Democratic presidents.
Curious on your opinion. I see repercussions even now with China’s threat to Taiwan (Formosa) etc.

Karen on June 5, 2014 at 9:00 pm

McArthur should have been court marshaled for not being prepared when the Japanese attacked the Philippines. After all, only 12 hours early Pearl Harbor had been attacked. He had notice!!!

Easy to say we should have gotten all of Korea, etc. You are not the poor soul that was fighting in the wars.

China was NOT the victor in Vietnam. Vietnam was occupied for 1000 years by the Chinese and the Viets hate and distrust China.

As to Communist China, the corruption of Chung Kai Chek (I know, spelling) turned China communist. All of the aid we gave the people of China ended up in his bank account.

Jonathan E. Grant on June 5, 2014 at 9:17 pm

    This is a tremendous oversimplification, to the point of inaccuracy of why China was lost. In addition to the U.S. effectively handing China over to the Commies at Yalta, there are myriad examples of the U.S. denying China crucial economic and military aid during and after World War II that would have enabled China to more effectively resist the Commies.

    Don’t forget that virtually the entire U.S. Government, accepting the propaganda lies of Commies in the Government, such as Harry Dexter White, believed that Mao’s movement was an agrarian democratic movement, and forced Chiang to work jointly with the Commies that he knew had to be smashed. Communists in the U.S. Government at the time forced the recall and discredited those few U.S. individuals who had some inkling of the truth. Even the nominally conservative Saturday Evening Post published articles by Edgar Snow, a stooge of the Commies, putting Mao in a favorable light. Individuals like George Sokolsky, who told the truth about the Communists, were dismissed by the dominant liberal establishment as cranks.

    Dr. Anthony Kubek’s book on how we lost China is 50 years old now, but is still the best thing out there. It can be purchased cheaply on Amazon, and should be read by anyone who has an interest in learning about why China was lost to the West.

    Little Al on June 5, 2014 at 11:50 pm

Take an uneducated populace. Spend 18 years teaching them that big government is good, working hard and traditional values of bad. Don’t teach them about science, history, English, c.Give many of them degrees after they partied for four years. Give them candy (welfare). Tell them they don’t have to pay taxes if they earn under a certain amount of money.

Let in illegal aliens, and tell them they are entitled to vote and have welfare. Toss in racial preferences into the mix.

That, in a nutshell, is the recipe for destroying a once great nation.

Jonathan E. Grant on June 5, 2014 at 9:37 pm

    Hey Jonathan, who did YOUR favorite NFL team draft this year? Who do you think is going to win American Idol this time?

    NM.. I need to go facebook and twit updates about the baloney sandwich I just ate. BRB

    PitAndPen on June 5, 2014 at 9:42 pm

Umm, it was Carter and his team who negotiated the release of the hostages. They were released the day after he left office because the Iranian Muslims wanted to stick it to Carter who hadn’t given them the Shah. The economic recovery that happened a number of years after Reagan was sworn in was due to the monetary policy of Paul Volcker…who Carter appointed and Reagan re-appaointed. Reagan’s tough stance against the Soviet Union had its basis in Carter’s having made human rights an issue in diplomacy for which he was mocked for being naieve. It was Carter who departed from the appeasement/detente polocy of Nixon/Kissinger.

Vivian on June 5, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    “It was Carter who departed from the appeasement/detente polocy of Nixon/Kissinger.”

    That’s true. Plus, at least Carter was a true veteran, not a stuffed-shirt PR man and pre-Alzheimer sound-bite specialist. But, Regan was the lesser of two evils, I guess(?)

    And Debbie, you looked about as awkwardly cute as you could possible be in those pictures.

    DS_ROCKS! on June 6, 2014 at 12:52 am

    “Umm, it was Carter and his team who negotiated the release of the hostages. They were released the day after he left office because the Iranian Muslims wanted to stick it to Carter who hadn’t given them the Shah.”

    Vivian: nonsense! Carter couldn’t negotiate himself out of a paper bag. That’s why he tried his ill-fated helicopter rescue. And frankly, after that, Carter couldn’t possibly have plausibly threatened force again. Reagan, however, could, especially because he campaigned in part on this issue. I can’t imagine why someone who would shortly be out of office would even have any resources to negotiate in the first place. So, anything done by Carter late in his term would be irrelevant.

    “The economic recovery that happened a number of years after Reagan was sworn in was due to the monetary policy of Paul Volcker…who Carter appointed and Reagan re-appaointed.[sic]”

    Blarney! I was not a Reagan fan when young–but I did not vote for Carter. I have now repented. Carter presided over incredible inflation (double digit!) AND recession. There is a reason why “stagflation” got currency then. The economic recovery’s delay following RR’s first election was precisely what one would expect, as changed economic policies always have a lagged effect. Anyway, a tax cut is not a monetary policy.

    “Reagan’s tough stance against the Soviet Union had its basis in Carter’s having made human rights an issue in diplomacy”

    Rubbish! Reagan’s tough stance amounted to a massive buildup of weaponry, including the looming threat of a missile defense program. While “bring down this wall” was a human rights appeal, mere “appeals” do precisely nada.

    skzion on June 6, 2014 at 1:44 pm

Reagan could indeed not get elected today, Debbie, in answer to your question.

As to the here’s why part, it’s multi-faceted. A large part has to do with the fact that the people have changed, and as has been alluded to by other posters, we have been successfully indoctrinated. There are no standards, all values have been cast to the wind, too many people are hooked on the easy street mentality, and the idea that taking candy from people handing it out is nothing to feel guilty about. Conscience? What for? Having a conscience is for goody twoshoes type folks, and the American people don’t want anyone spoiling their fun. As has been mentioned many times in the media, today’s Democrat Party is practicing distraction politics to a very highly skilled level.

We are very much in the “you get the government you deserve” mentality. It reminds me of what Samuel said to Israel in that they had done a grievous evil by insisting on having a king like the nations around them. Samuel then went on to a list of talking points which included basically that their king would become an oppressive tyrant, which they would come to regret deeply.

We, not the folks here nor many others in America, but the bulk of the country, including the illegals flooding in every day, have developed the mentality of subjects. As long as they’re having sex with whomever they want, whenever they want, have enough to eat, and can watch whatever schlock is on TV, why give thought to anything else?

It’s simply not possible to get most Americans, and when I say Americans, I mean people on our soil including real citizens, focused on serious and meaningful study of our founding, the men of The Enlightenment, how Progressivism crept in under Theodore Roosevelt, and was stepped up big time by Woodrow Wilson. To try and point out how FDR wasn’t really the great president he’s cracked up to be, and the incredible damage done by Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, and The Great StainMaker simply isn’t possible with this crowd we have today.

Did you know The Simpsons is hitting its 25th Anniversary? That’s a much more important subject than the writings of Edmund Burke, John Locke, de Montesqieu, etal. And since The Founding Fathers have been relegated to being nothing but a bunch of syphilitic, slave owning, irrelevant, extremist windbags, we’re too far gone to bring back.

Oh sure, there are pockets of goodness and certain individuals and groups waking up around the country, just as I’m sure that a scientist could technically discover a single atom of clean water in a toilet someone just defecated in.

For example, we have craft beer here in Puerto Rico, who’da thunk it? But we also have a bunch of slavish, non-industrious people who would rather have sex all day, and live off food stamps, Section 8 housing and everything else they can collect. Sell a little Ecstasy or crack when you need some spending money, and all’s well in the world. Meanwhile, we have vast tracts of some of the world’s richest arable land sitting here doing nothing, but people would rather just take the food stamps to the supermarket, or head off to McDonald’s prior to hitting the movies or the next party.

It’s only small pockets of people who are hit with enlightened notions and actually go out, work at them and study about them, at least in today’s America, just like the extremely small group of people here interested in making and consuming craft beer. We are ripe for the picking, just like the avocados growing on the trees outside my house right now will be in the near future, or the mangoes that have been falling for weeks, with me and my cousins horses gobbling down as many as we can.

Gobbled we will be, like the jive turkeys that we are. And as the smoke rises from the ashes of what was once the greatest nation ever created by the will of man with the help of God, those left will be staring at each other incredulously, and wondering what happened. In that crowd of people will be many well educated intellectuals who thought that they were finally getting their nirvana, complete with all pertinent “rights and freedoms,” aghast at what happened to their great America.

It won’t be a mystery to me or the real members here, and a few other places in America, just like that drop of clean water in the hypothetical toilet I mentioned above.

Indoctrination, straight from the mind of Satan, transferred to the writings of Karl Marx, and passed down to us by our own “employees” the politicians, also professors and even the physicians, who join in the burgeoning food police mentality which has become a large part of the tyrannical iron fist closing around our lives.

No, Reagan would give it a good shot, but he’d lose, because the people that elected him are gone, and I mean mentally, because a lot of them are still alive.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on June 5, 2014 at 11:59 pm

    Alfredo says:

    “Reagan could indeed not get elected today . . . A large part has to do with the fact that the people have changed, and as has been alluded to by other posters, we have been successfully indoctrinated. There are no standards, all values have been cast to the wind . . . . Did you know The Simpsons is hitting its 25th Anniversary? That’s a much more important subject than the writings of Edmund Burke, John Locke, de Montesqieu, etal.”

    Thing is, Americans have always been terribly ignorant of important political issues that are discussed by a tiny minority, and they have never red Burke, Locke, etc. The Americans of the olden days ushered in repeatedly DEMOCRATIC majorities in both chambers of Congress.

    Please see my other post regarding the issue of turnout and of the kind of issues Reagan–or someone today–could win on.

    The overall recipe would involve addressing issues that are now not taken seriously by either party: Islam, energy production, and immigration. I think there is no doubt that a substantial number of white, married Democratic voters would vote for a Republican who is good on these issues. This Republican should also be less willing to murder babies than the median Democrat–but should not campaign on this issue. He should oppose Affirmative Action firmly.

    skzion on June 6, 2014 at 1:55 pm

No, he would be unelectable today. There are no Reagan Democrats, World War II Vets, or Korean War Vets now. Those people are dead or dying. Also, there is an ever increasing foreign element that for the most part has no interest in the United States apart from its entitlements. By handing out driver’s licenses and subsidized in-state tuitions to illegal aliens, our society clearly demonstrates that citizenship(or even a legal status)is of no value. Americans who feel that aliens seeking citizenship should at least share some common values with other Americans are viewed as racist or narrowly ethnocentric. Finally, why would anyone put themselve out for the likes of Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton? You voter for such people in order to avoid any overarching commitments.

worry01 on June 6, 2014 at 3:01 am

    Not to be annoying … but to Worry I’d repeat that Reagan Democrats were MADE by RR’s approach, which was unorthodox.

    skzion on June 6, 2014 at 5:02 pm

I salute you in the most appropriate way Barack Obama: http://eastgermany.info/yp.jpg

worry01 on June 6, 2014 at 3:19 am

Yes, you’re right losing the culture battle has cost conservatives everything.
The problem is though it’s now their culture too.

As good old lefty Morpheus once said,
” … many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it. …. Which means that sooner or later, someone is going to have to fight them.”

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ban_me_1_more_time on June 6, 2014 at 4:37 am

alas ,Ronald Reagan wouldnt make it in today’s kardashian hollyworld

HK on June 6, 2014 at 8:03 am

“You may not like the presidents politics, but stop hating on his accomplishments. Harvard didn’t hand anything to him regarding his grades or graduating with honors.”

Prove it.

dnr on June 6, 2014 at 8:20 am

Must say, if the Republican party had a real platform unlike they have today (none) they could win.
Instead, the Republican Party fights conservatives and goes along with the democrats on most issues. I am afraid when they gain power we’ll have more of the same crap

Steve Gardality on June 6, 2014 at 10:23 am

Come on, dnr. Don’t be hating. You know we’re just supposed to lap it up like all the other sheep. Obviously, he won the Nobel Peace Prize – a highly coveted, and nearly impossible award to get. I mean, one must work their whole life and possibly never receive such an accolade. Look at all his peace-building work in Pakistan. And, when he ramped up operations in Afghanistan, we lost more men than when Bush was President. Sure, the media didn’t beat us about the face every day with a body count, but numbers don’t lie. This man clearly is peaceful, humble, and noble. I mean NOBEL. I won’t even mention his efforts in Syria, Egypt, or Libya. Of course we didn’t earn anything in our lives but he CLEARLY did. big dumb Dinky will provide amplifying data like he always does. He’s very didactic.

nadie on June 6, 2014 at 11:04 am

I think Reagan could have beaten Carter today.

It is a commonplace in electoral studies that the “turnout” and “choice” decisions are different: the variables that affect the decision to vote are quite different from the variables that affect the decision of whom to vote for if one votes. However, there is indeed a small but material effect of the options (choice) on turnout. Nowadays, because elections turn on small differences in turnout (not the case in Reagan’s day), there are a small but material number of Republican voters who will stay home with a RINO on the ballet. Given that the Democratic get-out-the-vote machine is highly developed, this suppressed Republican turnout could sway the result.

Debbie’s analysis doesn’t take this group into account, as it takes turnout as given. (This, as I said, is mainly right.)

Furthermore, information disbursal is far less concentrated today than during Reagan’s time. So, Reagan would face a less monolithic propaganda machine.

Today’s Reagan would need to campaign on illegals, energy, and probably Islam. Note, however, that given that the USSR is no more, I expect Reagan’s attention would naturally have focused on these issues.

Regarding the “choice” decision itself (as opposed to the effect on turnout that would affect the electoral outcome), “Reagan Democrats” are made, not born. The shortage of such Dems today stems from the RINOs who are our Republican alternatives.

skzion on June 6, 2014 at 11:18 am

I don’t know if Reagan would win, but the country has definitely gone down hill. The percentage of Americans that are low class trash has gone way up. Just go to the mall or the gym. Being around average Americans is an unpleasant experience, sadly.

David on June 6, 2014 at 11:39 am

Reagan would beat Carter. JC was a creepy guy that told us to wear sweaters in the cold. We suffered through odd/even days for gas and other idiotic mandates by the state.

Reagan would beat Mondale, too. Being a fighter and Mondale not being a fighter.

Reagan would not be able to beat WJ Clinton. Charisma or not RWR would be ground up and spit out by the Clinton machine.

Reagan could not beat Obama. The silver tongue of the black man would nudge out the old warrior.

The country I grew up in is dead. I am not sure what this country is any longer, since what goes for popular nowadays is sinful, G-dless, and self indulgent beyond my comprehension.

G-d be with us in our struggle.

Panhandle on June 6, 2014 at 1:09 pm

Wow! Debbie, if you, your friend, and so many who have commented so far, are correct, we need to all find someplace else to live. For our sake, for the sake of America, I sure hope you’re wrong.

Gary Sack on June 6, 2014 at 1:22 pm

@ Dnr, I don’t have to prove anything, its people like yourself who throw accusations around that are un-proven. You people just throw accusations, irrelevant drivel that has nothing to do do with anything.

Then you get someone like Nadie to conflate the issues, one doesn’t have to do with the other. The Nobel Peace Prize? No one on the planet believes he earned that, that prize is a joke. What the hell are you rambling about. Some of you people are exhausting I swear.

Big D on June 6, 2014 at 6:54 pm

    Big D, I’m a frequent lurker here, and yet I didn’t fully understand why others pile on to you. But now I do.

    You made the statement, you threw it out there, and when challenged, instead of backing up your claims about Obama, you immediately begin attacking me and Nadie (total strangers to you) instead of proving your own statement. BTW, what “accusation” did I make? (crickets)

    Pathetic. You and Obama.

    dnr on June 7, 2014 at 1:27 pm

      Exactly. I did the same on here for years before I got up the nerve to sound off. Many of the people who write their opinions here know of which they speak, but alas, not all. The only reason that I finally posted anything was to keep from blowing out a blood vessel when I went into the woods and shouted at the wind for what I’ve learned here.

      nadie on June 7, 2014 at 7:05 pm

@ Dnr, I don’t have to prove anything, its people like yourself who throw accusations around that are un-proven. You people just throw accusations, irrelevant drivel that has nothing to do do with anything.

Then you get someone like Nadie to conflate the issues, one doesn’t have to do with the other. The Nobel Peace Prize? No one on the planet believes he earned that, that prize is a joke. What the hell are you rambling about. Some of you people are exhausting I swear.

BigDynamite on June 6, 2014 at 6:58 pm

szion,

In 1980 Reagan campaigned on even handedness in the Middle East. He did not take a Hawk approach to that region. The Hostages were released before he had a chance to enact anything. Unless you think he was practicing backroom diplomacy before being sworn in.

Carter inherited a terrible economy from Nixon/Ford and took the first step to making it better: appointing Volcker. If you want to blame Carter for merely being President during a bad economy then Reagan should be blamed for the early 1980s which were worse than the 1970s.

Vivian on June 6, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    Vivian, you say:

    “In 1980 Reagan campaigned on even handedness in the Middle East. He did not take a Hawk approach to that region.”

    Jimmy Carter was strongly pro-Fakestine and pro-Islam. Reagan was pro-anyone-who-opposed-the-USSR. This is not close to “even handedness.” But for RR, the Middle East per se was not the central issue in foreign policy. It is significant that Carter undermined the Shah in favor of the great democrat Khomeini.

    “The Hostages were released before he had a chance to enact anything. Unless you think he was practicing backroom diplomacy before being sworn in.”

    The hostages were held, illegally, for some 450 days. Every day, the count was incremented in the (all-network) news shows, with Jimmah reported to be, as usual, in the rose garden engaged in soul searching. If you don’t think this kind of “response” encourages Moooooslims, in particular the newly ascendent Khomeini, Vivian, you have managed not to understand what this web site is all about. Khomeini fully intended to humiliate the US as long as he could–which would be until the end of Jimmah’s term. I do not doubt that there was some backroom diplomacy going on by Reagan as well. But really, Carter was an exception as an American president. I do not think that Khomeini believed any replacement would put up with Iran.

    “Carter inherited a terrible economy from Nixon/Ford and took the first step to making it better: appointing Volcker.”

    That “first step” was in mid-1979, in a desperate attempt to turn the economy around after three years of bungling! Vivian, did you live through that presidency? Do you remember that business about lowering thermostats, wearing sweaters, and the nationwide 55 mph speed limit to conserve gas? Do you remember “the moral equivalent of war [MEOW]“? What of Carter’s high taxes? Did he ever lower them?

    “If you want to blame Carter for merely being President during a bad economy then Reagan should be blamed for the early 1980s which were worse than the 1970s.”

    I blame Carter for his evil nature and his manifest ineptitude across the board: he was rotten in foreign policy (Middle East, USSR, Latin America); he was rotten domestically (taxes, further encroachment of the feds, handling of oil prices); he was rotten as a commander-in-chief (operation Eagle Claw, decimation of military capability). He even actually managed to turn many Jews into Reagan voters, a feat that has never been duplicated.

    skzion on June 8, 2014 at 2:25 pm

Reagan won because George HW Bush told Iran they would get a better deal with Reagan so they delayed the hostage release until after the election.
Reagan traded missiles for hostages, and was no more than a figurehead while his VP and cronies ran things.

The Boiled Frog on June 7, 2014 at 11:30 pm

    Frog, yeah, and the Mossad perpetrated 9/11.

    skzion on June 8, 2014 at 2:26 pm

      Frog, the best deal for Iran would have been to retain the hostages. This would have demonstrated that the US was indeed a paper tiger. Absolutely nothing would have compared with that achievement.

      Reagan’s focus was overwhelmingly on the USSR. Reagan was also pragmatic. Iran was lost. He knew that at least Khomeini was no Communist puppet and was starved for military hardware. Meantime, the Soviets had swept through Latin America, and RR had to deal with a House and a Senate that had been Dem-controlled for decades.

      skzion on June 8, 2014 at 2:35 pm

@ Skzion. I thought the first lady graduated Princeton Summa Cum?
No I wasn’t trolling.

@ J.E.G. NO I didn’t know that 90% of graduates from Harvard graduate with honors, that definitely minimizes the distinguished title “with honors.” Sounds like a joke title.

Big D on June 9, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    Big D, I don’t know whether she did or she didn’t. What I do know is that there is no objective evidence that either the First Klingon or Barkey has a first-rate mind. When Barkey speaks extemp, he seems just plain average.

    The result of Affirmative Action is that black matriculation at an Ivy means zip. Great grades mean zip, unless those grades are in objective fields like math and physics.

    skzion on June 10, 2014 at 2:02 am

This site is ridiculous, I post and post and it constantly disappears, so I’m attempting to use another email and a different moniker

@ Skzion I thought the first lady, graduated Summa Cum?
No I wasn’t trolling.

@ J.E.G No I didn’t know that 90% of graduates from Harvard graduate with honors. It minimizes the distinguished title ‘With honors” sounds like a joke.

Big Dynamite on June 9, 2014 at 1:37 pm

The break-up of the Soviet-Union was not due to Reagan but Gorbatchev, he wasn´t as much a communist as a hardcore liberal who got a free hand.
Once he took power, everything turned to shit real quick.

The president or even the US governement does not control inflation since 1913, the federal reserve does, it is a cartel of private banks.

“had Ronald Reagan not been elected, America would be hurting a lot more than it is now.”

Is this not exactly what is needed? A major kick in the ass? Let there be an economic collapse so there will be nothing left for the looters and moochers, starve the beast of the producers taxes is the only valid solution.

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skzion on June 6, 2014 at 1:00 pm

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