The attitudes have not really changed much:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3769461,00.html

Sorrow01 on August 31, 2009 at 3:45 am

The asshole Brit prevented Jews from escaping the holocaust and going to their homeland.

Jews will not ask the return of Medina from the murdering Muslim.

madman on August 31, 2009 at 9:33 am

I am surprised Debbie, at your baseness. “ And remember, it CAN–and WILL–happen here, so long as Islamic immigration to America continues.”

If historical precedent applies, Jews have fallen victim to more Christian atrocities than all Islamic effectuations combined. Consequently, it is the cross rather than the moon that should be feared.

Be that as it may, religion per se, is not the component that inspires or incites violence; it is, in fact, entirely neutral. It is a man’s evolutionary process and consciousness at any given moment that determines his next move.

THK: You mean your baseness. Time for you to awake from your time warp. Christians have evolved. The enemy of the Jews, today, is not Christianity. It’s Islam. There have been no Christian pogroms against Jews in decades, but for a few anti-Semitic outbreaks in the former Soviet Union. There have, however, been daily, regular terrorist attacks on Jews by Muslims. Wake. The. Heck. Up. DS

THK on August 31, 2009 at 9:43 am

” Great Britain had issued the nefarious Balfour Declaration in 1917, after having duplicitously promised the Palestinian Arabs self-determination if they would join the British in the struggle to overthrow the Turks. ”
The small scale Arab revolt was made to the Hashemite family who later accepted

Faisal–Weizmann Agreement
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

“Two weeks prior to signing the agreement, Faisal stated:

The two main branches of the Semitic family, Arabs and Jews, understand one another, and I hope that as a result of interchange of ideas at the Peace Conference, which will be guided by ideals of self-determination and nationality, each nation will make definite progress towards the realization of its aspirations. Arabs are not jealous of Zionist Jews, and intend to give them fair play and the Zionist Jews have assured the Nationalist Arabs of their intention to see that they too have fair play in their respective areas. Turkish intrigue in Palestine has raised jealousy between the Jewish colonists and the local peasants, but the mutual understanding of the aims of Arabs and Jews will at once clear away the last trace of this former bitterness, which, indeed, had already practically disappeared before the war by the work of the Arab Secret Revolutionary Committee, which in Syria and elsewhere laid the foundation of the Arab military successes of the past two years.[7]

The areas discussed were detailed in a letter to Felix Frankfurter, President of the Zionist Organisation of America, on March 3, 1919, when Faisal wrote :

The Arabs, especially the educated among us, look with the deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement. Our deputation here in Paris is fully acquainted with the proposals submitted yesterday by the Zionist Organization to the Peace Conference, and we regard them as moderate and proper.”[8]

[edit] Implementation
Faisal conditioned his acceptance on the fulfillment of British wartime promises to the Arabs, who had hoped for independence in a vast part of the Ottoman Empire. He appended to the typed document a hand-written statement:

“Provided the Arabs obtain their independence as demanded in my [forthcoming] Memorandum dated the 4th of January, 1919, to the Foreign Office of the Government of Great Britain, I shall concur in the above articles. But if the slightest modification or departure were to be made [regarding our demands], I shall not be then bound by a single word of the present Agreement which shall be deemed void and of no account or validity, and I shall not be answerable in any way whatsoever.”

The Faisal-Weizmann agreement survived only a few months. The outcome of the peace conference itself did not provide the vast Arab state that Faisal desired mainly because the British and French had struck their own secret Sykes-Picot Agreement of 1916 dividing the Middle East between their own spheres of influence, and soon Faisal began to express doubts about cooperation with the Zionist movement. After Faisal was expelled from Syria and given the Kingdom of Iraq, he contended that the conditions he appended were not fulfilled and the treaty therefore moot. St. John Philby, a British representative in Palestine, later stated that Hussein bin Ali, the Sharif of Mecca and King of Hejaz, on whose behalf Faisal was acting, had refused to recognize the agreement as soon as it was brought to his notice.[9] However, Sharif Hussein formally endorsed the Balfour Declaration in the Treaty of Sèvres of 10 August, 1920, along with the other Allied Powers, as King of Hedjaz.

The United Nations Special Committee On Palestine did not regard the agreement as ever being valid[10], while Weizmann continued to maintain that the treaty was still binding. In 1947 Weizmann explained :

“A postscript was also included in this treaty. This postscript relates to a reservation by King Feisal that he would carry out all the promises in this treaty if and when he would obtain his demands, namely, independence for the Arab countries. I submit that these requirements of King Feisal have at present been realized. The Arab countries are all independent, and therefore the condition on which depended the fulfillment of this treaty, has come into effect. Therefore, this treaty, to all intents and purposes, should today be a valid document”.[11]

According to C.D. Smith the Syrian National Congress had forced Faisal to back away from his tentative support of Zionist goals.[12
”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal%E2%80%93Weizmann_Agreement

The Balfour Agreement was important in gaining USA suppor for Britian in WWI. This was far more important than the minor Arab revolt which was a sideshow of a sideshow.

madman on August 31, 2009 at 9:57 am

Also look at Jewish state shown in above web link includes a larger mass then all of 1947 Palestine mandate (both sides of Jordan River, Golan, the strip of land that IDF freed in 1981 from Fatah in so called Lebanon as well.

madman on August 31, 2009 at 10:32 am

So I guess there’s just no chance for peace between Jews and Muslims. Oh, yeah, and the sky is falling! Come on. Let’s get beyond (without forgetting the past of course) and move forward with those who are willing to make peace and compromises to create a positive future for all our children.

Here in Israel where I live, there are plenty of … Read Morepeople ON BOTH SIDES creating tension and there are many examples of discrimination against Arabs which I’m sure Ms. Schlussel won’t highlight. Trust me, they exist. So I just do not see the point of dredging up 80-year old news.

Glenn Tamir on August 31, 2009 at 10:37 am

So I just do not see the point of dredging up 80-year old news.

Glenn Tamir on August 31, 2009 at 10:37 am

Precisely why you remain ignorant why there will not be peace with the Arabs.

Shy Guy on August 31, 2009 at 11:14 am

DS- The enemy of the Jews today is anyone afflicted by the notoriously destruction ant-Semitic gene, and not restrictive to Muslim populations. I don’t align with your position that the greatest threat comes from Muslims, but rather from individuals or collectives infused with Jew-hatred, which may vary at any given time.

Before any action a sentiment is perpetrated, much like the despicable theory of Israeli soldiers harvesting organs. It is imperative we watch out for those disseminating such sentiment, regardless of heritage.

The destruction of the first and second temples may have taken place in biblical times and the expulsion of Jews from Spain in the middle ages, but the holocaust? That was yesterday. Evolution and redemption on the part of the Christians will be a very long ordeal.

Keep up the good work. As for the times you do manage to wake me up, I appreciate enormously.

THK on August 31, 2009 at 11:54 am

My landlord when I was growing up was Syrian and a Christian. If he were alive today he would be at least 100 yrs. old. He and his family came to America when he was a boy. Their village had been attacked by Muslims and many were killed. The Muslims had rode in on horses and were carrying swords. Muslim and peace are two words that will never go together.

Mickey on August 31, 2009 at 11:59 am

Meant to end with, Muslim and peace with anyone including amongst themselves are two words that will never go together.

Mickey on August 31, 2009 at 12:09 pm

ON ONE END of the spectrum… you have those loons who believe that the Jews control everything. On the other end of the spectrum you have those loons who believe the Pope and the Catholic Church did nothing to aid the Jews during the Holocaust.

And in-between you have the Islamist who attempts to assert that the Holocaust never even happened!

But then the contaminated, I mean the unclean, always deny the truth, and violate the 9th commandment. They live, to violate it.

Something about, witness… bearing false… oh my, they’ve forgotten about God’s commandments. But then they never really cared about God, or his commandments. Did they?

They inherited their religion, but it never really touched their core. It became more about public observance, but their heart was never involved.

They never knew God.

But I digress…

The Israeli consul, Pinchas E. Lapide, in his book, Three Popes and the Jews (New York: Hawthorn Books, Inc., 1967) critically examines Pope Pius XII.

According to his research, the Catholic Church under Pius XII was instrumental in saving 860,000 Jews from Nazi death camps (p. 214).

Could Pius have saved more lives by speaking out more forcefully?

According to Lapide, the concentration camp prisoners did not want Pius to speak out openly (p. 247). As one jurist from the Nuremberg Trials said on WNBC in New York (Feb. 28, 1964), “Any words of Pius XII, directed against a madman like Hitler, would have brought on an even worse catastrophe… [and] accelerated the massacre of Jews and priests.” (Ibid.) Yet Pius was not totally silent either.

Lapide notes a book by the Jewish historian, Jenoe Levai, entitled, The Church Did Not Keep Silent (p. 256). He admits that everyone, including himself, could have done more. If we condemn Pius, then justice would demand condemning everyone else. He concludes by quoting from the Talmud that “whosoever preserves one life, it is accounted to him by Scripture as if he had preserved a whole world.” With this he claims that Pius XII deserves a memorial forest of 860,000 trees in the Judean hills (pp. 268-9). It should be noted that six million Jews and three million Catholics were killed in the Holocaust.

Jenoe, we’re still waiting for those trees.

But at least you appreciated what was done for your co-religionists.

But there were also these others:

The Israeli diplomat and scholar Pinchas Lapide concluded his careful review of Pius XII’s wartime activities with the following words: “The Catholic Church under the pontificate of Pius XII was instrumental in saving lives of as many as 860,000 Jews from certain death at Nazi hands.” He went on to add that this “figure far exceeds those saved by all other Churches and rescue organizations combined.”

After recounting statements of appreciation from a variety of preeminent Jewish spokespersons, he noted. “No Pope in history has been thanked more heartily by Jews . . . .Several suggested in open letters that a Pope Pius XII forest of 860,000 trees be planted on the hills of Judea in order to fittingly honor the memory of the late Pontiff (“Three Popes and the Jews” pp. 214–215).” Levai in his own book did not hesitate to argue that the attacks on the Pope’s wartime record are “demonstrably malicious and fabricated . . . . The archives of the Vatican of diocesan authorities of Ribbentrop’s foreign ministry, contain a whole series of protests—direct and indirect, diplomatic and public, secret and open. The nuncios and bishops of the Catholic Church intervened again and again on the instructions of the Pope,” he wrote. Their interventions were just as unsuccessful as the demands and threats of the British and American governments. Moreover, the delicacy of the matter was often heightened by the fact that such protests could put Jews themselves and their protectors at additional corporal risk.

Hungarian Jews and the Papacy: The former chief rabbi of Rome during the German occupation, Emilio Zolli, concluded his firsthand account of wartime events thus: “Volumes could be written on the multiform works of Pius XII, and the countless priests, religious and laity who stood with him throughout the world during the war.” “No hero,” he said, “in all of history was more militant, more fought against, none more heroic, than Pius XII in pursuing the works of true charity . . . and thus on behalf of all the suffering children of God.” Zolli was so moved by Pius XII’s work that he became a Catholic after the war and took the Pope’s name (Before the Dawn).

Lapide acknowledged in his book that the Church “in an endless flood of sermons, allocutions, pastoral letters and encyclicals was a clear and unrelenting foe to all forms of racism at the time, and everyone knew it—Jews, Poles, Russians and most ominously the Nazi secret police.” Their files mention recalcitrant Catholic clergy in this regard more than any other group.

The New York Times in its Christmas editorials of 1941 and 1942 praised Pius XII for his moral leadership as a “lonely voice crying out of the silence of a continent” and for, among other things, assailing “the violent occupation of territory, and the exile and persecution of human beings, for no other reason than race.”

No other institution produced more heroes during the Holocaust than the Church: Italian, Slovak, French, Hungarian priests, nuns, and laypersons who risked and often gave their lives for the sake of persecuted Jews. This too deserves remembrance and respect.

Golda Meir, Israel’s representative to the United Nations, was the first of the delegates to react to the news of Pope Pius XII’s death. She sent an eloquent message: “We share in the grief of humanity at the passing away of His Holiness, Pope Pius XII. In a generation afflicted by wars and discords he upheld the highest ideals of peace and compassion. When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the Pope was raised for its victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice speaking out about great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We mourn a great servant of peace.”

Leonard Bernstein, on learning of Pope Pius XII’s death while conducting his orchestra in New York’s Carnegie Hall, tapped his baton for a moment of silence to pay tribute to the Pope who had saved the lives of so many people without distinction of race, nationality, or religion.

The great Jewish physicist, Albert Einstein, who himself barely escaped annihilation at Nazi hands, made the point well in 1944 when he said, “Being a lover of freedom, when the Nazi revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, but the universities were immediately silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers, but they, like the universities were silenced in a few short weeks. Then I looked to individual writers . . . . they too were mute. Only the Church,” Einstein concluded, “stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing the truth. . . . I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel great affection and admiration . . . . and am forced thus to confess that what I once despised, I now praise unreservedly.”

Finally, we’ll finish with the foremost Jewish Scholar of the Holocaust at its height in Hungary, Jenoe Levai, who was quoted earlier, and insisted some years ago that it was a “particularly regrettable irony that the one person in all of occupied Europe who did more than anyone else to halt the dreadful crime and alleviate its consequences is today made the scapegoat for the failures of others.”

The Canadien on August 31, 2009 at 1:22 pm

Debbie..Islam is NOT a religion. It is a demonic cult of most duplicitous and treacherous nature that spreads like wildfire among the worlds mentally unstable. Islam and its practitioners should be outlawed by all “civilized” democratic western nations. The problem with western democracies is that most political leaders and government bureaucrats (suchas state dept “fat cats”), once elected or appointed to their lofty positions, will then sell themselves to the highest bidder. That is, go into business for themselves rather than serve the needs of their constituents. More often than not over the past 30-40 years, the highest bidders have been wealthy sponsors/promoters of islamic jihad crime syndicates trading in everything from narcotics, prostitution, kidnapped young women and human organs harvested from kidnap victims. These criminals openly celebrate how, in America…with money…everything is for sale. Thus, we find in the Balkans, the Bush’s, the Clinton’s, the McCain’s, the Bob Dole’s, the Lanto’s and damn near every republican and democrat on capitol hill on the Bosnian/Albanian muslim payroll pushing/steering US policy toward crushing eastern European Christianity and Judaism in favor of islamic territorial expansion. Also many in US government agencies…state dept, CIA, DOD playing key roles in the formation of terrorist groups and destabilization and destruction of traditional Christian homelands (Bosnia-Herzgovenia, Kosovo), etc. Not sure what my point is here except that we need a great awakening in the US and the west to the threats posed not only by the smiling/smirking islamo-marxist knife wielders but also by our own career politicians who make “big business” bartering away other peoples homelands and US national security interests.

joesixpack31 on August 31, 2009 at 1:28 pm

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/pius.html

“The International Catholic-Jewish Historical Commission (ICJHC), a group comprised of three Jewish and three Catholic scholars, was appointed in 1999 by the Holy See’s Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews. In October of 2000, the group of scholars finished their review of the Vatican’s archives, and submitted their preliminary findings to the Comission’s then-President, Cardinal Edward I Cassidy. Their report, entitled “The Vatican and the Holocaust,” laid to rest several of the conventional defenses of Pope Pius XII.

The often-espoused view that the Pontiff was unaware of the seriousness of the situation of European Jewry during the war was definitively found to be inaccurate. Numerous documents demonstrated that the Pope was well-informed about the full extent of the Nazi’s anti-Semitic practices. A letter from Konrad von Preysing, Bishop of Berlin, that proved that the Pope was aware of the situation as early as January of 1941, particularly caught the attention of the commission. In that letter, Preysing confirms that “Your Holiness is certainly informed about the situation of the Jews in Germany and the neighboring countries. I wish to mention that I have been asked both from the Catholic and Protestant side if the Holy See could not do something on this subject…in favor of these unfortunates.” The letter, which was a direct appeal to the Pope himself, without intermediaries, provoked no response. In 1942, an even more compelling eyewitness account of the mass-murder of Jews in Lwow was sent to the Pope by an archbishop; this, too, garnered no response.

The commission also revealed several documents that cast a negative light on the claim that the Vatican did all it could to facilitate emigration of the Jews out of Europe. Internal notes meant only for Vatican representatives revealed the opposition of Vatican officials to Jewish emigration from Europe to Palestine. “The Holy See has never approved of the project of making Palestine a Jewish home…[because] Palestine is by now holier for Catholics than for Jews.” Some Catholic higher-ups violated this position of the Vatican by helping Jews to immigrate when they were able to; most did not.

Similarly, the attempts of Jews to escape from Europe to South America were sometimes thwarted by the Vatican. Vatican representatives in Bolivia and Chile wrote to the pontiff regarding the “invasive” and “cynically exploitative” character of the Jewish immigrants, who were already engaged in “dishonest dealings, violence, immorality, and even disrespect for religion.” The commission concluded that these accounts probably biased Pius against aiding more Jews in immigrating away from Nazi Europe.

The claim that the Vatican needed to remain neutral in the war has also been refuted in recent months. In January of 2001, a document recently declassified by the U.S. National Archives was discovered by the World Jewish Congress. The document was a report in which Monsignor Giovanni Battista Montini, Pope Pius XII’s secretary of state, detailed and denounced several abuses committed by the Soviet Army against German inhabitants of the Soviet Union. The report was widely viewed as demonstrating that the Vatican had no compunctions about speaking out against atrocities, even when doing so would violate neutrality.

In 2004, news was disclosed of a diary kept by James McDonald, the League of Nations high commissioner for refugees coming from Germany. In 1933, McDonald raised the treatment of the Jews with then Cardinal Pacelli, who was the Vatican secretary of state. McDonald was specifically interested in helping a group of Jewish refugees in the Saar region, a territory claimed by France and Germany that was turned over to the Germans in 1935. The Pope’s defenders cite his intercession on these Jews’ behalf as evidence of his sympathy for Jews persecuted by the Nazis. According to McDonald, however, when he disccused the matter with Pacelli, “The response was noncommittal, but left me with the definite impression that no vigorous cooperation could be expected.”(30) Pacelli did intercede in January 1935 to help the Jews, but only after McDonald agreed that American Jews would use their influence in Washington to protect church properties that were being threatened by the Mexican government.(31)

In 2005, the Italian daily, Corriere della Sera, discovered a letter dated November 20, 1946, showing that Pope Pius XII ordered Jewish babies baptized by Catholics during the Holocaust not to be returned to their parents. Some scholars said the disclosure was not new and that the Pope’s behavior was not remarkable. The more important story, according to Rabbi David Rosen, international director of interreligious affairs for the American Jewish Committee, was that one of the recipients of the letter, Angelo Roncalli, the papal representative in Paris, ignored the papal directive.”

Sultan Knish on August 31, 2009 at 2:13 pm

The Vatican (the Pope) actively supported the establishment of the pro-Nazi Croatian state in the 1990’s.

But this pales before the bloodthirsty fourteen centuries of Islam, a slow rolling genocide of all the infidel subjects of Islam.

And don’t forget the Muslim invasions of the Indus Valley, the greatest slaughter in human history, a minimum of 80 million Hindu’s were butchered and thousands of Hindu temples destroyed. This is genocide beyond comprehension.

Arius on September 1, 2009 at 1:54 am

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Ms. Schussel has done it again. This is a point to be made to everyone, e4specially world “leaders”; especially our “leader.” Thank you Ms. Schlussel.

marlene on September 1, 2009 at 9:31 pm

to madman,

Great Britain had issued the nefarious Balfour Declaration in 1917, after having duplicitously promised the Palestinian Arabs self-determination if they would join the British in the struggle to overthrow the Turks. wiki

Another case where some ignoramus –or conscious liar– put pure lies up on wikipedia. The British never promised “the palestinian Arabs self-determination.” Rather, they promised Sharif Husayn the Hashemite of Mecca, great-great grandfather of the present King Abdullah of Jordan, to help him set up a pan-Arab state. But the Land of Israel west of the Jordan river was not part of the promise. The Husayn-MacMahon [Hussein-MacMahon] Letters promised Husayn the land east of a line drawn south from Damascus. That excluded Lebanon and Israel from the future Arab kingdom that Husayn wanted to set up. The British betrayed Husayn in different ways. They –through the notorious H St-John Philby– allowed the Saudi clan to take over the Hijaz [northwestern Arabia where Husayn was king]. The British also allowed France to remove Husayn’s son Faisal from his ephemeral pan-Arab kingdom in Damascus in 1920. In compensation, the UK gave Faisal Iraq, with the less than eager Kurds in the north. They also compensated the Hashemites by letting Faisal’s brother Abdullah take over Transjordan, which was part of the Jewish National Home according to the League of Nations Mandate.

The victims who suffered most from British treachery were the Jews. First, the Brits denied the Jewish right to live in Transjordan, whereas the east bank of the Jordan had been part of ancient Judea. Then the Brits used various tricks to reduce Jewish immigration into the country, such as limiting the number of immigrants to the “absorptive capacity” as defined by themselves. Then encouraging Arab pogroms against Jews, in 1920, 1921, 1929, 1936-39. Then, short months before WW2 and the Holocaust began in 1939, the Brits issued a White Paper which violated international law, to wit, the League of Nations mandate for a Jewish National Home, by making it almost impossible for Jews to come into the country. The Brits set a quota of only 15,000 Jewish immigrants coming into the country per year up to 1945, when any further Jewish immigration would be at the pleasure of the Arabs. That is, when the Jews most needed a home, the Brits violated international law by keeping them out of it. In fact, they allowed in fewer Jews during the Holocaust than the ostensible yearly quota.

In this way and others, the British were silent partners in the Holocaust. Recall that the Allied powers refused to bomb Auschwitz. They wanted the Holocaust to go on. If the British want to make a positive contribution to peace prospects between Israel and the Arabs –which are now less than zero– they would acknowledge that they were partners [silent] in the Holocaust and that they helped the Arabs make war on Israel from the beginning. That is, from December 1947.

The problem is that now, prez obamanazi is following the old British policy. The whole call for a “settlement freeze” is not only racist, even Nazi-like in its Judenrein connotations, but fits in line with the Brit policy described above.

Great Britain had issued the nefarious Balfour Declaration in 1917, after having duplicitously promised the Palestinian Arabs self-determination if they would join the British in the struggle to overthrow the Turks.

Eliyahu on September 2, 2009 at 4:45 am

it should be obvious that the last paragraph in my post above, in italics, is a very mistaken/mendacious quote from wikipedia.

Eliyahu on September 2, 2009 at 4:46 am

God Bless Debby Schlussel for pointing out the cruelty of so much of the Moslem world towards not only their sworn enemy in their Hadith- the Jews but to minority Moslem sects as well such as the Sufi, and the not so minority bloodbaths between Shia and Sunni, the murder of christian Armenians, Assyrians and Chaldeans, and Coptic Christians in Algeria,Tunisia, as well as other parts of Africa. Every religion has had a history of aggression in the name of their god-gods todays nuclear situation calls for rational moslem minds as well as members of all faiths to give introspection and clean their houses of hatred realizing that violence and genocide of all who are outside their “tribe” is the real haram. The Koran contains atruistic beauty in parts and unmitigated intolorance and hatred in other parts. I guess the same can be found in the intolorance other faiths demonstrate to each other (north and south Ireland, Burma, Vietnam, India,Serbia, Pakistan,Sudan and so many others yet to become the news of the week). Not one inch of space on this planet has gone unoccupied, lets get over this fact- there are no give-backs there is only re-concilliation and a need to live in peace to prevent the death of our children in a world in which peace is ufortunately only a concocted dream of the weak to our chosen leaders. Metaphorically,when there is no messiah to crucify we crucify each other- all for territory just like animals. Is this God,s plan?

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