October 17, 2011, - 3:32 pm

STFU: Robert Downey, Jr., Don’t Tell Me to Forgive Mel Gibson

By Debbie Schlussel

Apparently, Robert Downey, Jr. thinks that if you have sex with a Jewish woman (his current wife is Jewish), you  can tell the Jews what to do and whom to forgive.  That, or his drug-induced life pre-rehab fried his brain permanently.

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It was supposed to be Robert Downey Jr.’s night, but somehow Friday’s American Cinematheque Award ceremony became all about Mel Gibson.

When the evening’s honoree took to the stage at the Beverly Hills Hilton to accept his doorstop, he had a clear message for Hollywood.

“I urge you to forgive my friend his trespasses,” Downey said to loud applause. “Allow him to pursue this art without shame.”

It was Gibson who handed out the award to the “Iron Man” star. That was a choice Downey made clear he had made in part to help his friend rehabilitate his image.

Gibson has become something of an industry pariah in the wake of taped phone calls during which he had used racial slurs and threatened to beat his estranged girlfriend, Oksana Grigorieva. Prior to that, Gibson was already on thin ice with Hollywood, having made anti-Semitic remarks when he was arrested in 2006 for driving under the influence. . . .

Downey, who had well-publicized bouts with drinking and drug abuse, said that by sticking up for Gibson, he was simply returning the favor. After his imprisonment and arrests on drug charges made him uninsurable and thus prevented him from being hired in Hollywood, it was Gibson who stepped up and paid his insurance bond on the 2003 film “The Singing Detective.”

A slew of rock stars, big-name actors and even political figures have already checked into celebrity rehabs to get the treatment they need.

“He kept a roof over my head and put food on my table,” Downey remembered.

He said that all Gibson asked in return was that Downey do the same for another person who was struggling.

Ah, so if an anti-Semite (whose own father denies the Holocaust and hated Jews) helps out a drug addict, all is forgotten?  Hitler made the trains run on time.  I suppose we should also forget that Gibson is a Vietnam War draft dodger.

Uh, I don’t think so. By the way, as for his plan to make a movie about the Maccabees, in another day, the Maccabees would have rightfully slit his throat. (You should note that Scamela Geller’s lawyer, the phony David Yerushalmi, defended and praised Mel Gibson and Pat Buchanan are the only ones who will save Western civilization from Islam. Riiiiight. Ask Scamela why she associates with defenders of Jew-hatred.)

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57 Responses

I was subject to vituperation for weeks when I pointed out in my small town KY newspaper that “The Passion” was unfit viewing for 10 and 11 year olds. Unfortunately for my vindication, I had already moved from Kentucky when Gibson had his meltdown.

Incidentally, both my children are adopted from Guatemala. One is part Mayan, the other is full blooded. Apocalypto also pissed me off.

Screw Gibson twice.

That being said, I can understand Downey sticking up for a man who put food on his table at Downey’s lowest hour. At least Downey has the morals of a dog.

But Gibson tried to make my children’s life worse. He’s a worthless scumbag.

Occam's Tool on October 17, 2011 at 3:51 pm

Did Hitler make trains run on time? I thought it was Musolini.

Infidel on October 17, 2011 at 4:06 pm

First, The Passion of Christ was nothing but a three hour snuff film that did honor Jesus or Jesus’ teachings, which came from the Old Testament.

Second, Gibson blamed the Jews for all of the wars in the world.

Third, in an interview with Dianne Sewer of ABC news, he stated, “Well, the Jews aren’t innocent either.” This was supposed to be his kiss and make up interview.

Fourth, this is a man who broke away from the Church because of Vatican II. I guess he did not like the removal of the Jew blaming parts of the Church.

Fifth, he is another freak who likes to play tough guys in movies, yet chooses to not serve, except to beat up women.

Sixth, a good Catholic does not cheat on his wife of 30 years, at least not the good Catholics I know.

I find it a sad commentary on Hollywood that a man who uses the term “nigger,” cheats on his wife, beats up his pregnant girlfriend, and is a Jew hater still has a career and friends.
That is called moral bankruptcy.

Jonathan E. Grant on October 17, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    Tell me Jonathan, what would satisfy you? What would give you closure? To kill the man? To stone him? To make sure all your friends are the enemy of your enemy? You find it a sad commentary on Hollywood that a man who uses the term “nigger,” cheats on his wife, beats up his pregnant girlfriend, and is a Jew hater still has a career and friends. You call this moral bankruptcy. What about your hate? Your lack of forgiveness? Is that not a fruit of your own moral bankruptcy? This need, not only for revenge, but to make sure everyone in Hollywood and all moviegoers join with you, is void of any compassion or humanity.

    Dee on October 17, 2011 at 6:12 pm

      The man was a fraud. Mel Gibson marketed his being a “Good Catholic” and being family oriented. After his collapse, it was revealed that he had been separated from his wife for years and was more concerned with chasing “tail” than with his own family. On top of that, who could forget the derranged phone calls that he made to his ex-girlfriend? Mr. Gibson has also admitted to beating her as well.

      http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-07-12/gossip/27069690_1_ing-oksana-grigorieva-rants

      Note that I have not even brought up his anti-Semetic tirade arising from his drunk driving arrest. Mel Gibson is a multiple offender, and has never shown any sincere remorse for what he did to his wife and later on his very young girlfriend.

      Mr. Gibson is a very wealthy man, and is in no danger of starving. The only thing that he is suffering from is a bruised ego. Mel is a con-man who can no longer fool people. If you wish to be one of his fools, that is your choice. You remind me of one of those women who marries a death row inmate, and is surprised that it is not socially acceptable. Since you seem to find misogyny to be no big deal, may you find yourself with a man like Mel Gibson.

      Worry01 on October 17, 2011 at 7:44 pm

        Amen.

        He played noble and self-sacrificing men onscreen. One can like the characters but that doesn’t mean I have to like the man.

        His life is a complete mess. And its not for the rest of us to turn it around for him.

        We are not obligated to forgive someone who has demonstrated himself in every way to be a low-life. And I’m not bringing up his anti-Semitism and bigotry.

        Hollywood is not going to get a thumbs up from me for rehabilitating Gibson before he showed he truly deserved it.

        That’s how little respect I have for the opinion of Tinseltown and those who defend unrepentant anti-Semites.

        NormanF on October 17, 2011 at 9:33 pm

      Dee I would have to agree with you hopefully Mel will get on with his life and truly repent. And for some of the rest of you look at Obama he is much worse and people still like him and he will never repent

      Jonathan Gartner on October 18, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Amen.

    A good Catholic should obey G-d, follow the catechism and avoid sin.

    A man who doesn’t do those things doesn’t deserve sympathy.

    Mel Gibson isn’t a role model for virtuous Christians. Then again, his lifestyle is exactly why Hollywood decided to forgive and forget his behavior.

    The more scandalous your life, the higher you are in the esteem of the creative crowd.

    We shouldn’t follow their advice. Let them clean up their own house first.

    NormanF on October 17, 2011 at 9:27 pm

Debbie, I think you made a little error in you’re article about Adolf Hitler making the trains run on schedule, it was Benito Mussolini who made the trains on time in Italy. And Infidel (Infidel Pride) is right in his message.

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on October 17, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    SeanR, you’re correct.

    So Hitler ended unemployment in Germany. That has nothing to do with his character anymore than all the movies Gibson made testify to his worth as a human being.

    There is no connection between one’s accomplishments and one’s reputation.

    Richard Wagner wrote great music. But he was also an unrepentant and radical anti-Semite. Its for that reason, self-respecting Jews don’t grant a moral stature he doesn’t deserve, in performing his works.

    Like, I said you can appreciate Gibson’s cinematic talents. But don’t ever conflate that with the assumption that it has anything to do with his personal life.

    Fiction is as I like to put it, not verite.

    NormanF on October 17, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    Mussolini took credit for others work.

    “You often hear the phrase ‘Mussolini made the trains run on time’ uttered by both people trying to make the point that even dictatorial governments had some good points, and people annoyed at the latest delay on their rail journey. Unfortunately, they’ve fallen for the pro-Fascist propaganda Mussolini used to bolster his power in 1920s and 30s Italy. As well as styling high profile campaigns as ‘Battles’, such as the marsh reclamation project dubbed the ‘Battle for Land’ – Mussolini picked on the rail industry as something to show how his supposedly dynamic rule had improved Italian life. And while the train industry did improve from the parlous state into which it had sunk during World War 1, this was largely down to improvements implemented before Mussolini came to power in 1922. This didn’t matter to Mussolini, who was quick to claim any credit. It’s perhaps also important to point out that, even with the improvements others had made, the trains didn’t always run on time either.”

    Fascist Fables on October 18, 2011 at 11:20 pm

The right solution to the Mel Gibson problem is to make a movie about his dad, highlighting his holocaust denials and anti-Semitic activities. That will send Mel on a Meltdown.

Infidel on October 17, 2011 at 4:10 pm

I Mel trying as hard as he can to look like Saddam hussein?

Ronen Magid on October 17, 2011 at 4:36 pm

If everyone in Hollywood who said something stupid and unfair in a drunken rage was banned from movies, no movies would ever be made. Gibson screwed up, So have most everyone else. The difference is that his vitriol and hate was directed towards Jews instead of Bush and conservatives. Nothing he said was any worse the the crap that has been said about supporters of the military, Republican party, or those of us that don’t live in Kalifornia or the Northeast.

Gibson makes great movies and is very talented. He at least apologized for his drunken rant and can make the honest claim that, in addition to being drunk, he was under ALOT of stress and getting hammered by lawyers and Producers who are undeniably predominantly Jewish.

I’m not excusing his behavior, but if Hollywood can embrace a hate spewing hack who bashes the USA while they’re the guest of guest of Chavez and Amadedinejad (Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins) they should forgive the drunken vomiting of a truly talented patriot.

ivan on October 17, 2011 at 5:13 pm

We are going to outnumber you in america soon jews…

Amel on October 17, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Another
    Muzzy
    Evil
    Low-life =
    This poster incarnate.

    JF on October 17, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    HEY.. ALL us cracker redneck CHRISTIANS who LOVE Israel and hate nazis and islamics WILL ALWAYS OUTNUMBER you stupid muslims! And we got the weapons we need to take you camel humpers DOWN! BRING IT ON SUCKER!

    YellowRoseofTexas on October 17, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    You clowns already outnumber us everywhere. This year ALONE, Jews won twice as many hard science Nobel Prizes as Arabs have won in the entire history of the Nobels.

    Oh, yeah, we also kick your asses on the battlefield too.

    Occam's Tool on October 18, 2011 at 5:09 pm

I went to that link you posted and found:
“Men like Gibson and Pat Buchanan, as conservative Catholics, have the potential to save the West from itself and from Islam. “…..WTF!!!
From the little I knew of Yerushalmi, I thought he was ok….HA. Is this guy braindead or high?….

Then this gem: “But, the real problem with many of these same conservative Catholics is that they are just as blind to the threat of Islam (i.e., Buchanan) as the liberals.”…

Well Puchanan is first and foremost a Jewhater….uber allis. Based on his deeds (forcing Reagan to visit the SS cemetary, defending Dimnanjuk + other Nazis hiding out, lurching from the right as soon as he saw Jews in his corner(Ladeen, Kristol, etc), and many other deeds , this should be clear. Anyone who doesn’t see it needs his/her head examined.

Not Ovenready on October 17, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Pat Buchanan has a new book out that’s getting rave reviews — at least from some reviewers.

    Seek on October 17, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    I’m not sure what business it is of Pamela Geller’s attorney to defend Jew-haters but Debbie is right, it speaks to her judgment about people and her views. If she really means to help the Jewish people, she would dump him at first opportunity. The fact she hasn’t says a lot about what she thinks of what it takes to fight Islam.

    Let me make it clear: any one who hates Jews will never be a friend of the Jewish people. There is a line no Jew must ever cross. Expediency isn’t one of them.

    NormanF on October 17, 2011 at 9:39 pm

I just want to say that as a practicing Catholic, I believe in forgiveness and redemption. When Jesus was asked how many times should we forgive our brother who sins against us, the answer was
“I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times”. I don’t like what Gibson did but that doesn’t mean I can’t forgive him. Forgiveness is a virtue, one that is desperately needed in this world. Forgiveness also heals your own bitterness that is the result of the actions of the sinner. Maybe you all should try it. You are so bitter and the anti-Catholicism isn’t so thinly veiled on this post.
BTW, In addition, you have put the sins of the father (Hutton) onto the son. Not fair nor just. Last but not least, Gibson planned to do the Maccabee movie right after the Passion was made so it’s not a token offered to the Jewish people. And the Passion of Christ? Great movie. Real movie. I am sorry if people are offended but it shows what Jesus took upon himself for ALL mankind, Jewish people included. If you removed that giant chip on your should, you would realize Gibson, like Jesus, didn’t blame the Jews. Enough of this chip already.

Dee on October 17, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    I don’t recall Gibson going to church and asking his priest for absolution.

    If we’re talking about repentance, it must be complete and made with a sincere heart.

    The point is even in Christianity, its not others’ business to forgive the sinner. He has to reconcile himself with G-d.

    And I don’t take kindly to your speaking as if the rest of us should let the past be the past. I don’t think so. And this is not a man any decent person should want to embrace with open arms.

    NormanF on October 17, 2011 at 9:45 pm

Harden Not Your Hearts: This link explains what forgiveness means to Christians

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/yimcatholic/2011/10/robert-downey-jr-asks-hollywood-to-forgive-mel-gibson/

Dee on October 17, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    I’ll click on that link if you’ll click on this one:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI62aySbhyA

    Irving on October 17, 2011 at 7:04 pm

      I guess you missed the post where I said that I didn’t like what Gibson did. But I am speaking about forgiveness and mercy, not hate or holding on to anger. I think my link explains the Christian concept of forgiveness beautifully. I went to your link, Irv, now it’s time for you to go to my link.

      Dee on October 17, 2011 at 7:43 pm

Mel needs help. PROFESSIONAL help. He has it too easy in life.

YellowRoseofTexas on October 17, 2011 at 8:58 pm

My opinion? Someone who wants forgiveness must change. The Christian idea of forgiveness is unconditional forgiveness.

Mel Gibson hasn’t reformed. So tell me why Debbie is obligated to forgive him. Its not her place or her right to do.

And its none of Robert Downey Jr.’s business to confer absolution on others.

NormanF on October 17, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    Amen, NormanF.

    JeffE on October 17, 2011 at 10:41 pm

FUNNY BASEBALL VIDEO FROM A FEW YEARS AGO.
COMEDIANS DENNIS LEARY AND LENNY CLARKE ARE VISITING IN THE RED SOX BROADCAST BOOTH. THEY GO OFF ON MEL GIBSON AFTER THEY DISCOVER A YOUNG KEVIN YOUKALIS IS JEWISH.

http://www.boreme.com/posting.php?id=7216

JAY on October 17, 2011 at 9:31 pm

I truly believe Mel Gibson has a chemical imbalance in his brain, needs to be on meds, and needs professional help. Only cowards pick on women and children. It sickens me to listen to his rants because I was raised by an alcoholic father just like that. HOWEVER, as a Christian, I too believe in forgiveness. Jesus said he without sin cast the first stone. He was probably taught bigotry by his father. Does not excuse his opinions, but he has a wonderful talent to give to the world. Like Downey did (who I truly love as an actor), this man needs intervention. Who knows, one day he may truly realize his error and redeem himself and it may come because he is humbled by forgiveness from those he seems to think he hates. The Lord works in mysterious ways. Bitterness prevents happiness.

CJ on October 17, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    CJ, you hit the nail on the head when you said “Who knows, one day he may truly realize his error and redeem himself and it may come because he is humbled by forgiveness from those he seems to think he hates”. “Humbled by forgiveness”.

    I just don’t get all the bitterness and hate here. It self perpetuates.

    Dee on October 17, 2011 at 10:12 pm

downey’s a junkie
gibson’s an alkie

but they’re smart because
they’re “celebrities”

i say the opposite
my proof that celebrities
are asses until conclusively
proven otherwise

exhibit # 1

elizabeth taylor

porfirio on October 17, 2011 at 10:35 pm

My biggest problem w/ Pamela Geller is the activism she (along w/ Robert Spencer) does for Muslim victims of honor killings, and in the process, associating themselves w/ genuine Muslims i.e. Jihadis. (I really didn’t understand the details of the car-loan fraud that she engaged in that Debbie has sometimes referenced, so I’ll hold comments on that)

The thing about these honor killing victims is that
While they normally ain’t actively promoting Islam (w/ some exceptions, like Asiya Qazi, the beheaded wife of the founder of Bridges TV), by simply being and remaining a Muslim, however, they passively enable Islam — and being “Westernized” can often only strengthen the effects on the West of such passive enablement, because it softens up Westerners to Islam
Some of the victims are rather young, which mitigates them (for following Islam) to some extent
the Spencer/Geller sympathy for Aqsa and other honor killing victims tends to reinforce the general idea of integrating Muslims into Western societies, insofar as it symbolically embraces them as good people thus obviously warm to the notion of innumerable other good Muslims like them whom we must protect from their own Islam (or from “elements of their Islam”). Insofar as we come to the conclusion that there can be no integration of Islam into Western societies without damage to us, and that we have to work toward the long-term goal of removing Islam from our Western societies, the Spencer/Geller sympathy for them is counter-productive.

Insofar, however, as we currently remain in a situation where the dominant Western view remains generally deferential to Muslims and constantly separates the vast majority of “good Muslims” from the few bad apples among them, and as such we are in a communications war with our own West, such Spencer/Geller sympathy for Aqsa can help to raise awareness that might lead some people to evolve along to stronger less asymptotic criticisms of Islam.
Nevertheless, there remains a fundamental tension between #3 and #4, and Spencer and Geller are in the dilemma of doing something that helps in the short-term, but also tends to hurt us in the long-term.

Hence, it’s not so much that Geller is treasonous, but rather, that she’s picking causes that are @ best problematic in the long run. Why not focus instead, exclusively on non-Muslim victims of Jihad, whether in Israel, or even in other countries, such as Thailand, Philippines, India, as well as in Muslim countries such as Egypt, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia and so on?

Infidel Pride on October 18, 2011 at 3:48 am

    I have no problems with that line of work. What I don’t like about Geller/Spencer is the notion they can cross a certain line – as they did when they removed Debbie Schlussel from their blogroll for disagreeing with them. If that’s not allowed, what would be allowed with them? You can look it up in the archives and to say Debbie has strong feelings about it is an understatement. They’re the ones who have to decide to make amends and to date they haven’t done so.

    NormanF on October 18, 2011 at 4:46 pm

Debbie

Please enable the following HTML tags – OL, UL, LI – my above list was supposed to be a numbered list, but got eaten by the post. Also, somewhere, please list which HTML tags are supported on this site, such as EM, STRONG, STRIKE, BR, BLOCKQUOTE…

Infidel Pride on October 18, 2011 at 3:51 am

Yah, Gibson’s dad removed son from the US military draft. Papa won a big payoff on the game show, “Jeopardy,” and moved the family to Australia where he allied with Anti-Semites and Anti-Pope forces. I won’t see any of sonny’s movies because I am not convinced that he has abandoned his repugnant views. In any case, sonny has lost his youthful good looks and is now a short, troll like creature that no respectable women would pursue, nor would respectable man associate with that crap stain/

Joe Rip on October 18, 2011 at 1:00 pm

Sorry Deb – The rest of Gibson’s offenses notwithstanding, the so-called Vietnam War Draft Dodger (this doesn’t include the nincompoop dope smoking hippie, who wouldn’t have had the guts to defend his seven-year-old sister from an eight-year-old, let alone his country under any circumstances) had more to do with bringing that idiocy to a close than any other single factor. In spite of my pronounced anti-lib leanings, I myself was a registered conscientious objector – as were many other educated men and viable professionals. I lost four friends in Nam…all terrific guys, who I think about to this day. The memory of the emotion that had me in tears (and I’m not one who cries – no matter what the hell Oprah thinks men should be allowed to do) and nearly brought me to my knees the day I found their names on the Viet Nam Memorial in D.C., will remain with me until the end of my own days. And even at that, the foot soldier, with due admiration for his courage, patriotism, and his choice to serve, was not the hero here. The intellect can never serve to understand the faux pas that the Viet Nam war and corresponding era was at the personal level. That can only be understood viscerally, and in its purest form – by the young American male of draftable age. A woman – any woman; especially one who’s a generation removed from the fray, will never get it – and might do well to hold their opinion(s) of what a young man of that era should have been feeling, and how they should have dealt with or responded to those feelings.

shegundala on October 18, 2011 at 1:05 pm

Well, allow me to propose that Jews who have a problem with Mel Gibson ought to apply the same standard to Jackie Mason, who is prone to going around calling blacks racial slurs (shvartze et al) in public, and defending his right to do so. Gotta be honest: inconsistency abounds. Liberals get upset over anti-Semitic/anti-black/anti-Hispanic, anti-gay and now anti-Islam/Arab stuff, but invective against whites, Christians, military/police not so much. Conservatives get upset over anti-Semitic/anti-white/anti-Christian/anti-police/military stuff, but anti-black/Muslim/Hispanic etc. stuff is “merely being politically incorrect.” Unless you are going to be consistent, it is hard to complain only when it is your own ox getting gored.

As for Catholics demanding that Mel Gibson be forgiven, two things.

1. Forgiving someone does not mean financially supporting their movies. How many Catholics patronize the works of Andres Serrano? Or went to see that portrait of Mary smeared with elephant dung? Or the statue of Jesus in chocolate that mocked transubstantiation? Or have rented or read “The Last Temptation of Christ?” I don’t recommend bearing grudges against those “artists”, but I don’t suggest patronizing their work any more than I would recommend that any black person see “Birth Of A Nation” or “Amos N Andy”, or go watch a video of Al Jolson performing “Toot Toot Tootsie” in blackface.

2. Jews do not believe in Catholic theology. So why try to hold them to Catholic standards concerning forgiveness? That is like a Muslim trying to get you not to eat pork, to wear a hijab or burka, or adhere to shari’a. If a Jew refuses to adhere to Catholic values, then more power to him. Don’t impose your Catholicism on non-Catholics.

By the way: the person who referred to Mel Gibson as a patriot is seeing things the way that they wish to see them instead of how they actually are. Gibson, while conservative on some issues, is very liberal on others.

G: I’ve NEVER liked Jackie Mason (and you’ll note I’ve never promoted or praised him on this site), and part of the reason is his open use of derogatory terms like that. I do not use the “S” word for Black people, never have, never will. However, while it is derogatory, it does only translate to “Black.” On the other hand, Jews NEVER did anything to Mel Gibson (on the contrary, many of them made him into a big, wealthy star). But Black America has done plenty to the Jews to make Mason angry at them. Black America is extremely anti-Semitic and embraces Jew-hating leaders like Jackson, Sharpton, Farrakhan, and Jeremiah Wright. DS

Gerald on October 18, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Schvartze is not derogatory or racist. I wouldn’t put Mason on the same moral plane as Gibson. And Debbie is correct that whole Jews have contributed a lot to the civil rights movement, Black America’s attitude to them has been the exact opposite. What’s sad to say so is Jews are the least self-respecting people in the world and they seem not to be able to tell friend apart from foe. If they did, they would be a lot happier. Jews should reward their friends and punish their enemies. Then again, I’m not crippled by “Jewish guilt” about the judgment of others. My view is Jews should get over this hangup and stop consenting to being judged by a world that hates them. Making those who hate you like you is a waste of time.

    NormanF on October 18, 2011 at 4:56 pm

shegundala:

I get what you are saying. People who were never subject to the draft and as a result never had their own lives on the line shouldn’t wield the “draft dodger” card so lightly. (I know, the same logic is used with “men should have nothing to say when it comes to abortion” but at least with abortion there is another life – wholly innocent – involved.) The fact is that a lot of very conservative, patriotic people vehemently opposed Viet Nam, while a lot of very liberal people supported it (John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson included). The fact that the communist sympathizer Jane Fonda activist types opposed Viet Nam for the wrong reasons (i.e. they actually supported the spread of communism, including to the United States) didn’t mean there weren’t a lot of folks who opposed that war for very legitimate reasons, and the folks who had the “don’t question the government” line back then certainly have no problem challenging Obama now. Viet Nam, “establishing democracy” in Iraq and Afghanistan, the campaigns in Kosovo and Libya … difficult to fault anybody who has wondered exactly what our military policy has been since World War II.

Gerald on October 18, 2011 at 2:27 pm

I don’t get it. So you hate Mel because of his anti-semetic rants (which is completely understandable), but your entire website is based on anti- Islamic rants. It wouldn’t kill you to practice what you preach. (Note: I used the word “Kill” figuratively, so don’t start to find a way to link my post to a Jihadist threat or anything lol) Your blog is hilarious btw. Keep it up; its entertaining.

Lana on October 18, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    The only link I find congruent is its liberating to hate evil people. I don’t want to love people who hate Jews and who wish them dead. And don’t tell me different. Islam has done more to make Jewish cowardice possible and to make anti-Semitism more respectable than any other ideology in history. I don’t approve of what its has done to the Jewish people and to the world. That’s the truth – take it or leave it.

    NormanF on October 18, 2011 at 5:02 pm

@Lana that kind of reasoning doesn’t go down well here as the majority of people on this site think islam wants to destroy the world

Confused on October 18, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    Your right @confused. I don’t know why I even bothered. lol

    Lana on October 19, 2011 at 10:55 am

Lana, are you kidding me, “anti-Islamic rant”? What the hell are you saying Lana, that islam is a peaceful religion? If you’ve bought into that propaganda crap, then I feel sorry for you. It also seems that you’re very ignorant of islam Lana, are you aware how they treat their woman, by stoning them to death if their caught having an affair beyond their marriage, throwing acid into faces of women, treating women as second class citizens, forbidding women to drive automobiles, always have to have a male walk with them on the roads, etc. Lana, if you were living in a muslim country, you as a woman would have very little freedoms and chances and you yourself would be treated as a second class citizen! Or are you yourself a muslim Lana, who’s using a western name to hide anonymously on this blog? Or are you just a plain old dhimmi who’s an apologist for islam that’s from muslim pandering blogs/websites on the net?

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on October 18, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    Sean I am sorry that you misunderstand the meaning behind Islam and culture. Islam is THE ONLY religion that encourages women to vote, be educated, keep their last name and own their own business. BTW Muslim countries have had women presidents and we still have not. For example Indonesia and Pakistan. SO again culture and religion are two separate entities, if you yourself have not been or lived in a muslim country then you have no right to judge. I wish you and i could have an open peaceful conversation about this but that would only be a dream seeing the way you attacked a previous posting. I really do hope you one day can respect my religion as Islam taught me to respect ALL religions.

    waseem on October 19, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Yeah, out of all the “western”names I could have picked out, I chose Lana. You got me there.

    Lana on October 19, 2011 at 10:59 am

There likely isn’t anyone on the planet, let alone on this forum who doesn’t have ill feelings toward some group or groups neatly tucked away into their superego that a few belts of Jack Daniels can’t release. Come on – let’s give it a rest. Gibson is a major player in a Jewish controlled and Jewish driven industry. I wouldn’t doubt that after his inebriated, so-called anti-semitic explosion, a lot of his Jewish showbiz cronies were laughing their goolyoons off, thinking, “well – there he goes again – Mel being Mel.”

shegundala on October 18, 2011 at 5:17 pm

Lana

Normally, being anti-_any_religious_group_ would be wrong, and if this site were anti Christian/Buddhist/Hindu/Shinto/Taoist/Confucian/Sikh/Rastafarian/Jain/…, I’d be against it. But Islam is not so much an equivalent of these, as much as it is a deadly political ideologies like Nazism & Communism. In fact, Islam is unique in terms of being more a cross b/w a political ideology and a cult, as opposed to just a religion. Of course, unlike your group of Scientologists or Heavensgate members, they are 1.5 billion strong, which is why they are bunched w/ the mainstream religions.

I made a reference to cults like Scientologists above, but even L Ron Hubbard doesn’t come even close to Mohammed as a degenerate guy. At least Scientologists ain’t the misogynists or racists that Muslims are.

Infidel on October 18, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    I would check your facts prior to calling Islam Racist. There are muslims of every color and unlike some churches we don’t separate you by color, black, korean, white, turkish, arab, greek …. And if you are insinuating that we are racist in religion i lived in a predominant muslim country and went to catholic school as did my mother

    waseem on October 19, 2011 at 10:54 am

    But you just proved my point even more. See how you were so quick to judge me off of just one post: “Of course, unlike YOUR group of Scientologists or Heavensgate members,” What does it matter what my belief is?
    And I do believe the problem is people confuse culture with religion, it’s crucial that we separate the two.

    Lana on October 19, 2011 at 11:09 am

    But you just proved my point even more. See how you were so quick to judge me off of just one post: “Of course, unlike YOUR group of Scientologists or Heavensgate members,” What does it matter what my belief is?
    And I do believe the problem is people confuse culture with religion, it’s crucial that we separate the two. Debbie is entiled to her own opinion obviously, but saying things like “Dearbornistan” is pretty racist because Dearborn is a predominately Arab city but “stan” comes from Pakistan and Afghanistan, which aren’t arab countries.

    Lana on October 19, 2011 at 11:15 am

@ infidel in what way is islam not “just a religion”?

Confused on October 18, 2011 at 9:29 pm

Lana

I wasn’t insinuating that you were Scientologist or Heavensgate – the ‘your’ out there was an universal one. Substitute it w/ ‘our’ if it pleases you.

Also, in Islam, culture and religion in fact are one and the same thing. unlike in the West. Islam doesn’t have any separation of one’s religion w/ G_d, and one’s other ‘secular’ activities: it has instructions for all sorts of activities – which direction not to take a dump (never towards Mecca), which direction to be buried (towards Mecca), how one dresses, whether one has a beard, how one should be covered, which hand to clean your butt (your left hand) etc. These aren’t cultural things – otherwise how do you explain that women from Morocco to Brunei – particularly observant Muslims – dress that way? If it is cultural, why do new Western female converts to Islam dress that way, when it’s totally culturally incompatible w/ what they did before they converted?

Waseem

You are exactly right, and you just busted the argument of CAIR and every Muslim activist organization that claims that ‘Islamophobes’ are racist. Can’t be, since they include people of all races, including Whites like John Walker Lindh, so those of us who hate Muslims aren’t being racist, are we?

But despite the fact that a majority of the world’s Muslims are not Arabs, there is no denying that Islam is racist, and a vehicle for Arab supremacy. As it is, there are texts that praise the ‘whiteness’ of Mohammed, and where he describes Abyssinians as ‘raisin-heads’. The word for black – abid – is synonymous w/ slave. The Qur’an calls Arabs the ‘best of peoples’, and even in al Qaeda, they put a premium on their leader being from the Arabian peninsula, but settled on Zawahiri since they were short of options. There is a reason why the Qur’an is only valid in Arabic, which is the only language that allah understands, and Sudan – where Arab Muslims persecute Black Muslims in Darfur – is the best case of Islamic racism. If you doubt it, the Sudanese regime itself is on record as saying that the people of Darfur aren’t true Muslims. This second class treatment of non-Arab Muslims is there not only in Sudan, but also in Mahgreb (w/ Barbers) and Kurdistan (w/ Kurds).

Confused

Strictly definitionally, Islam is a religion – an evil religion, as is Communism, Atheism and Nazism. When I stated above that it’s not, I clearly mentioned that it’s not one like your standard religions out there, which I listed above. All the other religions are really personal set of rules that people choose while governing their lives. They simply address a person’s relationship w/ gods, and usually do have regulations about how one lives one’s life – what one eats, how one prays, things that may be done, things that may never be done and so on. But these religions also grant free will on other things – what one wears, for instance, and do not obsess about every single detail in one’s life.

But most importantly, other religions only worry about their own adherents, and don’t try to interfare in the affairs of others. Islam is different. It’s not just a religion – it’s also a geopolitical ideology, as well as a cult. It exhibits all characterestics one sees in cults, and it defines its success in terms of the entire world agreeing to live under Islamic law. Hindus don’t have such dictats trying to bring the entire world under shastric law. Jews don’t have such dictats trying to bring the entire world under Talmudic law. Unlike in the Middle Ages, no Christian country today wants to bring the entire world under Christianity, and no Christian country sponsors missionary conversion activity in other countries the way the Gulf countries do worldwide.

If Islam was just about the 5 pillars, most people would probably have no problems w/ it. But it has a 6th pillar – jihad – and that’s what makes it problematic for everyone else.

Infidel on October 19, 2011 at 1:02 pm

One would expect Robert Downey, Jr. to be saying his close friend, Mel Gibson, should be forgiven. After all, they have been friends for years, and in Hollywood, you want to make friends with everyone there that you can, because you never know who’s going be buttering your bread next, and Gibson–for all his faults–is still a “power player” in Hollywood. And, of course, Downey has his own record of substance abuses, so they have a lot in common.

But there’s more to the Gibson anti-Semitic rant story than has been generally covered in the news. There is also a lawsuit by the police officer, Deputy James Mee, who wrote the police DUI report that included Gibson’s statements when he was drunk. Mee alleges that his career has suffered as a result of his report of the facts. And when Gibson drunkenly boasted that he “owns Malibu” (the location where the DUI arrest took place), he was not totally making things up. Gibson counts among his friends, Sheriff Lee Baca, who could well have pulled strings to sabotage Mee’s career.

Has Gibson apologized to Mee and the Malibu police department? You know the answer to that question. Here’s a link to the story:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/02/lawsuit-over-mel-gibsons-anti-semitic-rant-must-go-to-trial-judge-rules.html

Ralph Adamo on October 19, 2011 at 7:52 pm

Robert Downey jr. is a jew.
You guys suck, who say thinks about other people without any clou.

smm on March 31, 2014 at 12:54 pm

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